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*Gets dressed*
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Today's country was Belgium.

"Ms. Scint, you better not make any puns about waffles."
"Okay. I just hope learning about Brussels sprouts some interest."
"I AM DROPPING OUT"


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Scintillae wrote:

Today's country was Belgium.

"Ms. Scint, you better not make any puns about waffles."
"Okay. I just hope learning about Brussels sprouts some interest."
"I AM DROPPING OUT"

Did you tell them that Jean Claude van Dam was starting a seafood exporting business called "Mussels from Brussels"?


Vanykrye wrote:
I really don't know how to make this any more plain. There is a device that I can physically see, touch, pick up, lick if I so desire. Yet he's just continuously asking "Are you sure it's plugged in?" while simultaneously sending us screenshots of the proof that there is network traffic flowing, so clearly it's plugged in. And turned on.

Ah, I see you've been on the phone with my tech support people.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
(tech stupidity)

In 30+ years of helping people with their computer issues, there are two Great Lies:

(1) "Have you tried rebooting?"
In my lifetime, I have never had someone answer, "No," to this question, even when I could concretely prove they were lying. And then, showing them proof that they were lying, they would argue with me about it.

The worst question in the history of computing.

(2) "Have you checked all the cables?"
At least on occasion I get the truth from someone ("No"), but it is always followed up with, "But I haven't moved anything," as if the universe is a static entity and nothing ever occurs without this individual's direct action. I suppose I should be worshipping such a deity, rather than heaping scorn and derision upon them.

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So I'm going to not defend the people you, in particular, have dealt with, but this sounds suspiciously like the opposite side of the conversation I often have with my router people.

1) I have unplugged it, held the button with the paperclip for <X> number of seconds (different tech folk give me different amounts - 15 seconds, 30 seconds, or 60 seconds), and plugged it back in, and absolutely nothing until I've been on the phone with them and they tell me to do the same Flippin' THING I. JUST. DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID. (sometimes more than once) and it somehow just works when they tell me to do it.

It is infuriating every time.

EDIT: clarifying that it doesn't work every time when I've already done it, but it's consistent enough that it's really irritating.

2) For my part, the conversation usually goes, "is anything unplugged," followed by me saying, "not that I can see; I also haven't touched anything," the implication being that I don't know, but to the best of my knowledge it isn't unplugged followed by, "well try unplugging and/or plugging, depending the plug that looks like <this>" (this rarely actually fixes whatever problem it is on its own, often leads to questioning whether or not I'm sure I've followed directions, and I usually explain that I don't know, but am doing my best to follow).


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Tacticslion wrote:

...this sounds suspiciously like the opposite side of the conversation I often have with my router people.

1) I have unplugged it, held the button with the paperclip for <X> number of seconds (different tech folk give me different amounts - 15 seconds, 30 seconds, or 60 seconds), and plugged it back in, and absolutely nothing until I've been on the phone with them and they tell me to do the same Flippin' THING I. JUST. DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID. (sometimes more than once) and it somehow just works when they tell me to do it.

It is infuriating every time.

EDIT: clarifying that it doesn't work every time when I've already done it, but it's consistent enough that it's really irritating.

That's totally NOT your issue -- they're sending signals to your router while you're rebooting it, so it will only work while you're rebooting while on the phone with them. You're not imagining things.

But for things like, "My laptop isn't recognizing my headphones," it's pretty much a given that the driver has gotten confused and a reboot will fix it. And of course the person will absolutely, adamantly, positively refuse to reboot because taking 2-3 minutes to find out whether that fixes it is FAR less convenient to them than making me drive 10-15 minutes to their house to reboot for them. (And yes, they get really pissy when the very first thing I do is reboot, and over half the time it resolves their problem and I thank them for wasting my time. People like that are why I started issuing a flat, "I will never help you with your computer" refusal to everyone.)

Your #2 is just standard troubleshooting, and your answer is reasonable. But then when the tech says, "OK, can you try unplugging and then re-plugging in the printer cable so we can see what happens?" and your answer is, "No! It was working yesterday! I haven't touched it!", it's pretty darned frustrating.


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Ah, the relentless optimism of youth!

Impus Minor: Well, I fixed my grade in chemistry!
NobodysHome: Awesome! So you aced the final?
IM: Oh, gods no! I didn't even understand half the questions! But I turned in eleven homework assignments.
NH: I fail to see how this is "fixing" your grade.
IM: Homework is 45% of my grade, and the final is only 10%. I'm fine!

Honestly, if I were the teacher and I'd been silly enough to set up a "turn in homework until the last day for full credit and the final is worth only 10%", a student such as Impus Minor would make me start rethinking my approach.

But nice gaming the system, boy. Your chemistry teacher will hate you for it.


NobodysHome wrote:

That's totally NOT your issue -- they're sending signals to your router while you're rebooting it, so it will only work while you're rebooting while on the phone with them. You're not imagining things.

But for things like, "My laptop isn't recognizing my headphones," it's pretty much a given that the driver has gotten confused and a reboot will fix it. And of course the person will absolutely, adamantly, positively refuse to reboot because taking 2-3 minutes to find out whether that fixes it is FAR less convenient to them than making me drive 10-15 minutes to their house to reboot for them. (And yes, they get really pissy when the very first thing I do is reboot, and over half the time it resolves their problem and I thank them for wasting my time. People like that are why I started issuing a flat, "I will never help you with your computer" refusal to everyone.)

Hah! They told me that it didn't matter!

NobodysHome wrote:
Your #2 is just standard troubleshooting, and your answer is reasonable. But then when the tech says, "OK, can you try unplugging and then re-plugging in the printer cable so we can see what happens?" and your answer is, "No! It was working yesterday! I haven't touched it!", it's pretty darned frustrating.

The response seems... unreasonable, yeah.

If I haaaaaaad to guess, it's a general function of ignorance plus personal discomfort with doing something you're ignorant of - I feel the resistance myself, because I really don't know what I'm doing (and it's easy for that to spiral when one person expects me to have their level of education, and I simply don't: two people to get mutually frustrated due to lack of communication or dissonant expectations really quickly).

But you at least try to obey the instructions - that, at least, seems pretty basic.


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People stopped asking me for help with their computer when I showed up with safety glasses, a magnifying glass, a chop saw and a 20 pound maul.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Ah, the relentless optimism of youth!

Impus Minor: Well, I fixed my grade in chemistry!
NobodysHome: Awesome! So you aced the final?
IM: Oh, gods no! I didn't even understand half the questions! But I turned in eleven homework assignments.
NH: I fail to see how this is "fixing" your grade.
IM: Homework is 45% of my grade, and the final is only 10%. I'm fine!

Honestly, if I were the teacher and I'd been silly enough to set up a "turn in homework until the last day for full credit and the final is worth only 10%", a student such as Impus Minor would make me start rethinking my approach.

But nice gaming the system, boy. Your chemistry teacher will hate you for it.

That's what Crookshanks is doing.


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captain yesterday wrote:
People stopped asking me for help with their computer when I showed up with safety glasses, a magnifying glass, a chop saw and a 20 pound maul.

Sounds like you would fit in with this guy and his coworker.


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gran rey de los mono wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
People stopped asking me for help with their computer when I showed up with safety glasses, a magnifying glass, a chop saw and a 20 pound maul.
Sounds like you would fit in with this guy and his coworker.

No, I only made it a minute into the video and they hadn't smashed anything yet, that's much too slow.


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captain yesterday wrote:
gran rey de los mono wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
People stopped asking me for help with their computer when I showed up with safety glasses, a magnifying glass, a chop saw and a 20 pound maul.
Sounds like you would fit in with this guy and his coworker.
No, I only made it a minute into the video and they hadn't smashed anything yet, that's much too slow.

Try the 2nd one. It's faster.


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When Eve was much younger and still modeling for a living, she did a tv commercial for Guitar Center (late '90s sometime). They were having a half-off sale, so they put her in a band groupie costume, gave her a chainsaw, and set her loose in a room full of guitars, amps, keyboards, etc.

The "plot" of the commercial was supposedly that the girl's musician boyfriend bailed on their date to rehearse with his band, so she gets even by attacking their practice space and instruments with a chainsaw, or something like that.

I asked Eve where they got the ones for her to cut up, and she said that what they told *her* at the time was, when people send back broken instruments that are still under warranty, they get saved to use as props in commercials, since you won't actually hear them play.


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I know CY doesn't do metal, but the description of this video was priceless: "This is what happens when you try to summon Satan but run out of salt to make your pentagram and substitute it with sugar."

linky


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(And yes. I'm a HUGE Babymetal fan. I weep that I missed them performing with Sabaton. Watching Joakim onstage with Suzaka must have been amazing...)


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NobodysHome wrote:

I know CY doesn't do metal, but the description of this video was priceless: "This is what happens when you try to summon Satan but run out of salt to make your pentagram and substitute it with sugar."

linky

Hm. I hadn't considered Babymetal for possible "keep the students constantly guessing" material...


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NobodysHome wrote:

(And yes. I'm a HUGE Babymetal fan. I weep that I missed them performing with Sabaton. Watching Joakim onstage with Suzaka must have been amazing...)

*fistbump*

I like babymetal.

It turns out the bassist for one of the most FAMOUS 80s car music/city pop songs EVER is the father of the lead singer.


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lisamarlene wrote:

When Eve was much younger and still modeling for a living, she did a tv commercial for Guitar Center (late '90s sometime). They were having a half-off sale, so they put her in a band groupie costume, gave her a chainsaw, and set her loose in a room full of guitars, amps, keyboards, etc.

The "plot" of the commercial was supposedly that the girl's musician boyfriend bailed on their date to rehearse with his band, so she gets even by attacking their practice space and instruments with a chainsaw, or something like that.

I asked Eve where they got the ones for her to cut up, and she said that what they told *her* at the time was, when people send back broken instruments that are still under warranty, they get saved to use as props in commercials, since you won't actually hear them play.

You know that you can see GothBard in Starship's We Built This City video, right? Just watch the people climbing the scaffolding...

EDIT: Wow... YouTube! Never mind... that big ad for the Debbie Gibson video? It's right over where you'd see her, and she was onscreen for under a second before the belly dancer elbowed her off the screen.

On the other hand, she did get to be the stand-in for Grace Slick, which was basically, "You're the same height as her and have similar hair. Stand here for 5 hours while we adjust the cameras so we don't have to bother her with this nonsense."


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Oh, and San Jose rocks!

(Stupid subscription site though; I use NoScript and I can read it. Hopefully someone can use an ad blocker and see it.)


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Sharoth wrote:
Didn't I say to make my abilities average in the next life? is a pretty cute little anime series!

The anime is good but the light novels are freaking awesome!!!


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About to go home. Good night, everyone.


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NobodysHome wrote:

I know CY doesn't do metal, but the description of this video was priceless: "This is what happens when you try to summon Satan but run out of salt to make your pentagram and substitute it with sugar."

linky

O.M.G.

Me- "You can't make metal cute."

Babymetal- "Hold my milk carton"

I am NOT a metal head. But THAT was adorable. Almost makes me wish I WAS a metalhead. ;P


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NobodysHome wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

When Eve was much younger and still modeling for a living, she did a tv commercial for Guitar Center (late '90s sometime). They were having a half-off sale, so they put her in a band groupie costume, gave her a chainsaw, and set her loose in a room full of guitars, amps, keyboards, etc.

The "plot" of the commercial was supposedly that the girl's musician boyfriend bailed on their date to rehearse with his band, so she gets even by attacking their practice space and instruments with a chainsaw, or something like that.

I asked Eve where they got the ones for her to cut up, and she said that what they told *her* at the time was, when people send back broken instruments that are still under warranty, they get saved to use as props in commercials, since you won't actually hear them play.

You know that you can see GothBard in Starship's We Built This City video, right? Just watch the people climbing the scaffolding...

EDIT: Wow... YouTube! Never mind... that big ad for the Debbie Gibson video? It's right over where you'd see her, and she was onscreen for under a second before the belly dancer elbowed her off the screen.

On the other hand, she did get to be the stand-in for Grace Slick, which was basically, "You're the same height as her and have similar hair. Stand here for 5 hours while we adjust the cameras so we don't have to bother her with this nonsense."

...

WHAT

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captain yesterday wrote:

Tiny T-Rex's plan on becoming Spider-Man.

1. Make a spider radioactive
2. Make sure he's bitten by said radioactive spider.
3. Make a suit
4. Make web shooters.
5. Move to New York.

Solid plan.

Scarab Sages

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NobodysHome wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
(tech stupidity)

In 30+ years of helping people with their computer issues, there are two Great Lies:

(1) "Have you tried rebooting?"
In my lifetime, I have never had someone answer, "No," to this question, even when I could concretely prove they were lying. And then, showing them proof that they were lying, they would argue with me about it.

The worst question in the history of computing.

(2) "Have you checked all the cables?"
At least on occasion I get the truth from someone ("No"), but it is always followed up with, "But I haven't moved anything," as if the universe is a static entity and nothing ever occurs without this individual's direct action. I suppose I should be worshipping such a deity, rather than heaping scorn and derision upon them.

=====
(And yes; over 95% of all computer issues I help people with are solved by one or the other of those two solutions. But it always has to be *me* who does it, because they won't, and then they think I'm some kind of miracle worker with computers because I fricking follow instructions!!!)

This is so true I want to curl up and cry.

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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

(And yes. I'm a HUGE Babymetal fan. I weep that I missed them performing with Sabaton. Watching Joakim onstage with Suzaka must have been amazing...)

*fistbump*

I like babymetal.

It turns out the bassist for one of the most FAMOUS 80s car music/city pop songs EVER is the father of the lead singer.

MrT and I saw them perform last year. It was pretty great, except for the neckbeards leering at the front of the stage. It was pretty clear they werent there for the music.


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It's great that metal is diversifying but I must say, Babymetal is not for me.


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Woran wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
(tech stupidity)

In 30+ years of helping people with their computer issues, there are two Great Lies:

(1) "Have you tried rebooting?"
In my lifetime, I have never had someone answer, "No," to this question, even when I could concretely prove they were lying. And then, showing them proof that they were lying, they would argue with me about it.

The worst question in the history of computing.

(2) "Have you checked all the cables?"
At least on occasion I get the truth from someone ("No"), but it is always followed up with, "But I haven't moved anything," as if the universe is a static entity and nothing ever occurs without this individual's direct action. I suppose I should be worshipping such a deity, rather than heaping scorn and derision upon them.

=====
(And yes; over 95% of all computer issues I help people with are solved by one or the other of those two solutions. But it always has to be *me* who does it, because they won't, and then they think I'm some kind of miracle worker with computers because I fricking follow instructions!!!)

This is so true I want to curl up and cry.

this simply has not been my experience.

Then again, 2020 is not 19xx.


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Ragadolf wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

I know CY doesn't do metal, but the description of this video was priceless: "This is what happens when you try to summon Satan but run out of salt to make your pentagram and substitute it with sugar."

linky

O.M.G.

Me- "You can't make metal cute."

Babymetal- "Hold my milk carton"

I am NOT a metal head. But THAT was adorable. Almost makes me wish I WAS a metalhead. ;P

The awesome thing about Babymetal is that they got started in that classic, "Oh, this cannot possibly end well," trope: A big-name mucketymuck saw a need for a cutesy J-Pop metal band (who knew?), spotted the lead singer in another group and recruited her, then got her two backup singers not based on their musical abilities, but on their cuteness and dancing ability. At the tender ages of 10-12. What could possibly go wrong?

Pretty much any U.S. act would have collapsed in a firestorm of sex, drugs, recriminations, criminal behavior, and whatnot.

Babymetal just went ahead and knocked it out of the park, then started their own record label to protect their own interests. At what? 15? 16?

Unfortunately, one of the members has left, and her message was so typically Japanese that you have no idea whether there was friction, or just an honest desire to be more than "Suzaka's backup in Babymetal". But her departure was a class act on both sides all the way.

Look forward to seeing them evolve now that they're in their twenties.


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One of my techs showed me a performance of Babymetal a couple months ago. Not for me.


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Terry Jones of Monty Python dead at 77


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NobodysHome wrote:

I know CY doesn't do metal, but the description of this video was priceless: "This is what happens when you try to summon Satan but run out of salt to make your pentagram and substitute it with sugar."

linky

Counterpoint.

It's not really a counterpoint, just kind of similar, but different, definitely different.

Scarab Sages

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Go away cold. I have things to do.


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Vany's night job..


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NobodysHome wrote:
Ragadolf wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

I know CY doesn't do metal, but the description of this video was priceless: "This is what happens when you try to summon Satan but run out of salt to make your pentagram and substitute it with sugar."

linky

O.M.G.

Me- "You can't make metal cute."

Babymetal- "Hold my milk carton"

I am NOT a metal head. But THAT was adorable. Almost makes me wish I WAS a metalhead. ;P

The awesome thing about Babymetal is that they got started in that classic, "Oh, this cannot possibly end well," trope: A big-name mucketymuck saw a need for a cutesy J-Pop metal band (who knew?), spotted the lead singer in another group and recruited her, then got her two backup singers not based on their musical abilities, but on their cuteness and dancing ability. At the tender ages of 10-12. What could possibly go wrong?

Pretty much any U.S. act would have collapsed in a firestorm of sex, drugs, recriminations, criminal behavior, and whatnot.

Babymetal just went ahead and knocked it out of the park, then started their own record label to protect their own interests. At what? 15? 16?

Unfortunately, one of the members has left, and her message was so typically Japanese that you have no idea whether there was friction, or just an honest desire to be more than "Suzaka's backup in Babymetal". But her departure was a class act on both sides all the way.

Look forward to seeing them evolve now that they're in their twenties.

Yup.

Jpop/music is VERY professionally cold.


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Vanykrye wrote:
One of my techs showed me a performance of Babymetal a couple months ago. Not for me.

so when you me and Captain Yesterday are hanging out, I'll be the obvious one in a babymetal t-shirt is what you're saying.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
One of my techs showed me a performance of Babymetal a couple months ago. Not for me.
so when you me and Captain Yesterday are hanging out, I'll be the obvious one in a babymetal t-shirt is what you're saying.

I have three Green Lantern t-shirts, just saying.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Vany's night job..

every time I see him he looks MORE like him...


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My current favorite song by someone other than Vany.


Freehold DM wrote:
Woran wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
(tech stupidity)

In 30+ years of helping people with their computer issues, there are two Great Lies:

(1) "Have you tried rebooting?"
In my lifetime, I have never had someone answer, "No," to this question, even when I could concretely prove they were lying. And then, showing them proof that they were lying, they would argue with me about it.

The worst question in the history of computing.

(2) "Have you checked all the cables?"
At least on occasion I get the truth from someone ("No"), but it is always followed up with, "But I haven't moved anything," as if the universe is a static entity and nothing ever occurs without this individual's direct action. I suppose I should be worshipping such a deity, rather than heaping scorn and derision upon them.

=====
(And yes; over 95% of all computer issues I help people with are solved by one or the other of those two solutions. But it always has to be *me* who does it, because they won't, and then they think I'm some kind of miracle worker with computers because I fricking follow instructions!!!)

This is so true I want to curl up and cry.

this simply has not been my experience.

Then again, 2020 is not 19xx.

It has been true for a long, long time.


People wrote:
Babymetal

It is not my favorite (and I can get tired of it), but I'm an over-all fan, and I enjoy it a looooooooooooot.

It absolutely should not work, and yet it really does, both as a musical form and as an entertainment format. It's an act of (accidental?) genius and I'm glad it exists.

EDIT: (trying this a second time) It should be noted that I feel similarly about most of the heavier metals. Even when I like them, much like Baby Metal, I can get tired of them - they can be overbearing if that's all I get. I need a broad diet of music, is what I'm saying. Mm. Music.


Vanykrye wrote:
Terry Jones of Monty Python dead at 77

Mm. I'm so sorry. This is a loss to comedy. His family is in my prayers.


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captain yesterday wrote:
My current favorite song by someone other than Vany.

I'm making this your ringtone.


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Freehold DM wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Vany's night job..
every time I see him he looks MORE like him...

I admit it. My beard is quite grey/white. I'm in full Old Man Winter Beard Mode. And I have a very similar hat.

But I play bass.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
One of my techs showed me a performance of Babymetal a couple months ago. Not for me.
so when you me and Captain Yesterday are hanging out, I'll be the obvious one in a babymetal t-shirt is what you're saying.

That, among a few other things, will likely differentiate you from us. Yes. It will definitely be the Babymetal t-shirt that's the defining characteristic among the three of us.


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class has been given time to work on their socratic seminar prep

"Okay. If you don't turn off the Caillou theme, I'm putting on Babymetal."
"What the heck is Babymetal?"
"OH MY GOD I LOVE BABYMETAL"

Well, that threat lost its teeth.


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Scare them with this.


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OK, everyone, here's something that SHOULD be simple, but it never is:

I have a piece of text in 32-point Arial black.
I want to change it to 28-point Courier New green bold.

You would think that you could save your font as a style and apply it, but as far as I can tell, no. I have to select each stoopid piece of text, then one by one change its size, its font, its color, and its boldness.

Any suggestions on speeding up this stupidity? (Other than living with the old font?)


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So, I know I complain about this all the time, and most people can't even comprehend why it's an issue for me, but still...

We live on a small residential street. At any point of time there's plenty of parking; typically only 1/2-2/3 of the spaces on the block are taken, even at night. In particular, across the street there are 5 spaces that are virtually never taken.

Yet every single time we take both cars from in front of our house, someone parks in front of it, typically for 2-3 days at a time. And I just don't understand. "Hey, look! Those schmucks finally moved their d*** cars! Let's take that space!"

Even random chance doesn't explain the insane popularity of our parking spot. I just don't get it. And yeah, it irritates me far more than it should.

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