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Scarab Sages

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NobodysHome wrote:

Don't forget that this is the exact same mom who came with us on the choir trip a couple of years ago to keep her son safe from his depressive periods, and proceeded to sleep through my phone calls when he finally locked himself in a hotel room while having suicidal thoughts.

Oh, THAT I will never forgive her for.

Obviously I made the right choices and he survived, but having an unprepared, untrained chaperone deal with that ****? For that, I will never forgive her.

......I have no words.

I have some, but the boards will censor them.

just like my naked-ness

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I eat my greens, both raw and cooked variety. Also some of the dark green leafy variety. I'm quite tolerant to how plants taste like. Which is strange for a cat.

*Passes Woran a towel*

Though technically I'm fine with females being nekkid...too many in the gym changing room as it is.

Scarab Sages

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I dont shame easily. But its the wrong time of year for a bit of nudity. Because I hate being cold.


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gran rey de los mono wrote:
Huh. Never would have guessed "General Purposes".
Obviously.

Isn't that Cap's wife?

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Temporary tooth crown was put on yesterday. Still feels weird.

Permanent crown won't be put in until January.


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On a salt run, no Pete.


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I had an interview for a job yesterday. I think I did well. It's driving kids with mental health issues to and from a partial hospital program. Incorporates my tons of delivery experience, school experience, and BS in psych...I mean, kinda.

It's PT, with just few enough hours to not lose Medicaid but just enough to help my girlfriend with our bills. It even has partial benefits for PT employees.

I hope I get it. I find out in about a week. I know they already called my references. One called and told me.


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A Tirade and an Observation
So, for the depressive kid I ordered Little Star delivery from Amazon. Everything went according to plan... until the map showed the driver on our block, but he never showed up.

After a few minutes, I went outside, and there he was, parked a few doors down, lights on, engine running, not getting out of his car.

I learned two things:
(1) Amazon somehow got their hands on my cell phone number and replaced my contact information. So of course the guy was calling my cell phone, the cell phone was in another room, yadda yadda yadda. The rash assumption that everyone's cell phone number is the number you should always use just incenses me. But you all know that.
You would just think that when I say, "Use this number to contact me", they would, y'know, use that number to contact me.

(2)

Red-hot Political:
I was rather irritated that the driver, knowing he was on the correct block, didn't just get out of his car and start checking house numbers. It would have been a LOT faster than trying to call me.
Then he got out of the car and all was explained: A black man in an unfamiliar white neighborhood after dark had chosen to stay in his car rather than risk roaming around the neighborhood in a "suspicious" manner. I immediately forgave him his caution, but it just depresses me that 33 years after I first encountered such situations, nothing has changed. In fact, many would argue that it's gotten worse.
But FFS, when you can't even get out of your car because of the color of your skin, something is seriously f****d up in the entire country.

Flame on, Fritzy!!


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That's not against the rules, I would have gotten out of my truck.


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Orthos wrote:

Temporary tooth crown was put on yesterday. Still feels weird.

Permanent crown won't be put in until January.

You now have a King Tooth (or Tooth King?)

Technically, Regent Tooth, if it's only a temporary crown.


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Aaaah, catching up after a sub is my favorite school activity.


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And of course, in my infinite wisdom, I decided that yesterday was a great day to be sick because it was a day where projects were being wrapped up. Ergo, everyone knew what they were doing; I didn't have to be there to explain new concepts, etc.

This also meant that everything was being turned in at the same time. Help, I am drowning in vocabulary sheets and guided reading packets.


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Me trolling my kid sister via text last night...

Me: So living in Texas, I've been learning about cattle breeds.

Me: Do you know that cows have different sounds? I didn't know this. I always thought that they all just said moo.

Eve: Not really. I mean, I know they have different "moos" for different things and I know they grunt and snort but I didn't know they make other sounds, too. I haven't been around cows much except the ones at the horses. What sounds do they make?

Me: Okay I've got to do it over the phone I can't imitate it properly on text

Phone rings.

Eve: Okay, so what do they sound like?

Me: So, since this is Texas, I'm mostly learning the beef cattle breeds, like Angus, Jersey, etc. [Yes, I know Jersey is a dairy breed. But my sister doesn't. Shut up.]

Me: You want to hear what a Jersey cow sounds like?

Eve: Sure, yeah.

Me: (best Silvio Dante as a cow impression.) MOO!

Eve: (dead silence)

Me: You really have to see it with the arms and the stare.

Eve: No, I got it.

Me: Your niece has picked it up now.

Hermione: (in the background, shouting) MOO! (giggles)

Eve: You're an a******.


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Interesting day with the juniors. We're reading Tinker v. Des Moines a) as a tie-in with the Vietnam novel we just finished and b) to hit that standard of "seminal historical texts, including the application of constitutional principles," which always prompts a good discussion on what qualifies as free speech and where the lines get drawn.


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NobodysHome wrote:

A Tirade and an Observation

So, for the depressive kid I ordered Little Star delivery from Amazon. Everything went according to plan... until the map showed the driver on our block, but he never showed up.

After a few minutes, I went outside, and there he was, parked a few doors down, lights on, engine running, not getting out of his car.

I learned two things:
(1) Amazon somehow got their hands on my cell phone number and replaced my contact information. So of course the guy was calling my cell phone, the cell phone was in another room, yadda yadda yadda. The rash assumption that everyone's cell phone number is the number you should always use just incenses me. But you all know that.
You would just think that when I say, "Use this number to contact me", they would, y'know, use that number to contact me.

(2) ** spoiler omitted **
Flame on, Fritzy!!

where do you weirdo west coasters keep your house numbers, exactly?


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lisamarlene wrote:

Me trolling my kid sister via text last night...

Me: So living in Texas, I've been learning about cattle breeds.

Me: Do you know that cows have different sounds? I didn't know this. I always thought that they all just said moo.

Eve: Not really. I mean, I know they have different "moos" for different things and I know they grunt and snort but I didn't know they make other sounds, too. I haven't been around cows much except the ones at the horses. What sounds do they make?

Me: Okay I've got to do it over the phone I can't imitate it properly on text

Phone rings.

Eve: Okay, so what do they sound like?

Me: So, since this is Texas, I'm mostly learning the beef cattle breeds, like Angus, Jersey, etc. [Yes, I know Jersey is a dairy breed. But my sister doesn't. Shut up.]

Me: You want to hear what a Jersey cow sounds like?

Eve: Sure, yeah.

Me: (best Silvio Dante as a cow impression.) MOO!

Eve: (dead silence)

Me: You really have to see it with the arms and the stare.

Eve: No, I got it.

Me: Your niece has picked it up now.

Hermione: (in the background, shouting) MOO! (giggles)

Eve: You're an a******.

FAWESOME!


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Just Cause 3 XXL is really huge... 46 GB download... Fully installed is supposed to occupy around 60 GB...

11 GB to go.

I wonder if it will be worth $12 I spend on it on Humble Bundle.


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Scintillae wrote:
Aaaah, catching up after a sub is my favorite school activity.

mine too.


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Woran wrote:
I dont shame easily. But its the wrong time of year for a bit of nudity. Because I hate being cold.

...then why do you live where you live?!


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

A Tirade and an Observation

So, for the depressive kid I ordered Little Star delivery from Amazon. Everything went according to plan... until the map showed the driver on our block, but he never showed up.

After a few minutes, I went outside, and there he was, parked a few doors down, lights on, engine running, not getting out of his car.

I learned two things:
(1) Amazon somehow got their hands on my cell phone number and replaced my contact information. So of course the guy was calling my cell phone, the cell phone was in another room, yadda yadda yadda. The rash assumption that everyone's cell phone number is the number you should always use just incenses me. But you all know that.
You would just think that when I say, "Use this number to contact me", they would, y'know, use that number to contact me.

(2) ** spoiler omitted **
Flame on, Fritzy!!

where do you weirdo west coasters keep your house numbers, exactly?

Oh, don't get me started. There's no requirement that we even HAVE them that I know of, so a lot of houses don't. Ours is in high contrast right by our front door, but the driver hadn't gotten that far down the street. The Boy Scouts used to come by and paint them on the curbs for a $30 fee, but for some reason that was declared illegal.

So yeah, it's one of my long list of pet peeves that many, many houses around here (especially in Berkeley) do not prominently display their numbers. I think mail delivery people just learn to interpolate.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

A Tirade and an Observation

So, for the depressive kid I ordered Little Star delivery from Amazon. Everything went according to plan... until the map showed the driver on our block, but he never showed up.

After a few minutes, I went outside, and there he was, parked a few doors down, lights on, engine running, not getting out of his car.

I learned two things:
(1) Amazon somehow got their hands on my cell phone number and replaced my contact information. So of course the guy was calling my cell phone, the cell phone was in another room, yadda yadda yadda. The rash assumption that everyone's cell phone number is the number you should always use just incenses me. But you all know that.
You would just think that when I say, "Use this number to contact me", they would, y'know, use that number to contact me.

(2) ** spoiler omitted **
Flame on, Fritzy!!

where do you weirdo west coasters keep your house numbers, exactly?

Oh, don't get me started. There's no requirement that we even HAVE them that I know of, so a lot of houses don't. Ours is in high contrast right by our front door, but the driver hadn't gotten that far down the street. The Boy Scouts used to come by and paint them on the curbs for a $30 fee, but for some reason that was declared illegal.

So yeah, it's one of my long list of pet peeves that many, many houses around here (especially in Berkeley) do not prominently display their numbers. I think mail delivery people just learn to interpolate.

I'm sure there's something meaningful I could say here, but all I can think of is a remark about a Sherwin-Williams Antitrust Act.


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Oh, great...

"Your installed memory is bellow required minimum. The performance my suffer" *crash*


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System Requirements: 8 GB RAM
I have 8 GB RAM.

What I don't have is 2 GB video memory :/

2015 year, hello?!


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And the second crash after a long loading period...

I don't think it will gonna work...


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Uninstall...


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Putting away to play somewhere in the far future when I'll get a new computer.

Shadow Lodge

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Limeylongears wrote:
Orthos wrote:

Temporary tooth crown was put on yesterday. Still feels weird.

Permanent crown won't be put in until January.

You now have a King Tooth (or Tooth King?)

Technically, Regent Tooth, if it's only a temporary crown.

Which begs the question as this is my second crown, are they co-kings? King and queen? King and prince? Is the whole mouth one kingdom or are the separate jaws separate lands? Does the ruling tooth rule over only its own kind - canines, molars, incisors, etc - or over its whole area/jaw/mouth?


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Oooh... NobodysHome is displeased.

Work just pushed a Windows Update on me.

And yep, it re-enabled wireless, then crashed because it couldn't connect to the internet... in spite of the gigabit ethernet cable plugged directly into the laptop.

Seriously. WTF, Microsoft? You might as well just announce, "We no longer support wired connections."


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NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

A Tirade and an Observation

So, for the depressive kid I ordered Little Star delivery from Amazon. Everything went according to plan... until the map showed the driver on our block, but he never showed up.

After a few minutes, I went outside, and there he was, parked a few doors down, lights on, engine running, not getting out of his car.

I learned two things:
(1) Amazon somehow got their hands on my cell phone number and replaced my contact information. So of course the guy was calling my cell phone, the cell phone was in another room, yadda yadda yadda. The rash assumption that everyone's cell phone number is the number you should always use just incenses me. But you all know that.
You would just think that when I say, "Use this number to contact me", they would, y'know, use that number to contact me.

(2) ** spoiler omitted **
Flame on, Fritzy!!

where do you weirdo west coasters keep your house numbers, exactly?

Oh, don't get me started. There's no requirement that we even HAVE them that I know of, so a lot of houses don't. Ours is in high contrast right by our front door, but the driver hadn't gotten that far down the street. The Boy Scouts used to come by and paint them on the curbs for a $30 fee, but for some reason that was declared illegal.

So yeah, it's one of my long list of pet peeves that many, many houses around here (especially in Berkeley) do not prominently display their numbers. I think mail delivery people just learn to interpolate.

then why were you mad? You have numbers but I think you said you live towards the end of the street- I would have stopped there too, in all likelihood.

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I'm so happy I'm still on Win8. My gripes with that OS are increasingly minimal and trivial compared to everything I keep hearing about Win10.


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I'm so happy we have a Mac.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Oooh... NobodysHome is displeased.

Work just pushed a Windows Update on me.

And yep, it re-enabled wireless, then crashed because it couldn't connect to the internet... in spite of the gigabit ethernet cable plugged directly into the laptop.

Seriously. WTF, Microsoft? You might as well just announce, "We no longer support wired connections."

What's weird to me is that you keep running into this when I have never seen it happen at either work or otherwise. Not saying it's not happening, just that I've *never* ran across it.


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Freehold DM wrote:
then why were you mad? You have numbers but I think you said you live towards the end of the street- I would have stopped there too, in all likelihood.

Odd... did you read the whole thing? I wasn't mad that the deliveryperson stopped; it wasn't an unreasonable thing to do.

I was mad that:
(1) He called my cell phone, which is virtually never even in the same room with me, and which I don't give out as a contact number because of this. So Amazon somehow got it and told him to call it, which is Not OK
(2) He felt unsafe enough in my neighborhood that he wouldn't get out of his car to look around.


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Vanykrye wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Oooh... NobodysHome is displeased.

Work just pushed a Windows Update on me.

And yep, it re-enabled wireless, then crashed because it couldn't connect to the internet... in spite of the gigabit ethernet cable plugged directly into the laptop.

Seriously. WTF, Microsoft? You might as well just announce, "We no longer support wired connections."

What's weird to me is that you keep running into this when I have never seen it happen at either work or otherwise. Not saying it's not happening, just that I've *never* ran across it.

Yeah, but how many of your users disable their wireless adaptors?

I think it's more that I'm a dinosaur who prefers wired, and you just don't have any similar users.

The trigger has to be:
(1) Connect to a wireless network near your home at some point; for example, at your neighbor's house
(2) Go home and plug your computer in to a wired connection, close enough to the wireless connection that Windows 10 thinks it can get a good signal, but the signal keeps fading in and out.

You basically have to find a wireless "sweet spot" where the signal is strong enough for Windows 10 to think there's going to be a connection, but weak enough that it keeps losing it.

Our house is lath-and-plaster; i.e. a giant Faraday cage. So wireless anywhere without a clear path is iffy.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Oooh... NobodysHome is displeased.

Work just pushed a Windows Update on me.

And yep, it re-enabled wireless, then crashed because it couldn't connect to the internet... in spite of the gigabit ethernet cable plugged directly into the laptop.

Seriously. WTF, Microsoft? You might as well just announce, "We no longer support wired connections."

What's weird to me is that you keep running into this when I have never seen it happen at either work or otherwise. Not saying it's not happening, just that I've *never* ran across it.

Yeah, but how many of your users disable their wireless adaptors?

I think it's more that I'm a dinosaur who prefers wired, and you just don't have any similar users.

The trigger has to be:
(1) Connect to a wireless network near your home at some point; for example, at your neighbor's house
(2) Go home and plug your computer in to a wired connection, close enough to the wireless connection that Windows 10 thinks it can get a good signal, but the signal keeps fading in and out.

You basically have to find a wireless "sweet spot" where the signal is strong enough for Windows 10 to think there's going to be a connection, but weak enough that it keeps losing it.

Our house is lath-and-plaster; i.e. a giant Faraday cage. So wireless anywhere without a clear path is iffy.

You're right that we don't disable the wireless adapters at work - they're just not active when the laptops are plugged in, which is at all times in my particular office. Due to a slightly overzealous IT Security team we don't have wireless available to our employees.

Granted, my office used to be a bank in the 1960's, so not only is it lath and plaster, but it's steel mesh reinforced plaster and also clay brick. Also there's 3'x3' granite columns in the main floor to further bounce signals around. Good luck getting any kind of signal in this place.


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Feh. Neither kid even got a callback.

Though Impus Major pointed out that all 5 of the people called back for the dentist were tenors. He sang the part a full octave below anything they did. I suspect they thought that was too dark or something.


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The second game from the bundle is Wizards Of Legends, a nice fast-paced game of running through dungeon and getting as many crystals as you can before you are killed, that you will spend to get different spells making the next run through the dungeon different...

Third game is racing... Blergh. Big nope to racing games... Unless it's Micromachines or Lotus Turbo Challenge 2. Anyone wants Project Cars 2 on Steam? I am not even bothering with adding it to my collection.

This months bundle wasn't worth those $12 spent, unless the mystery games revealed in January will be particularly brilliant (the last month bundle had some really nice mystery games... if I only hadn't already got Seven: The Days Long Gone on GOG a few months ago... BTW: Anyone wants it?).


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One of the little annoying things I got from my mom was I correct grammar and spelling as I can (especially with my kids) so one of the habits Crookshanks has developed is if she accidentally puts a typo in a text she'll almost immediately send a correction before I can correct her.

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political:
About the black guy not wanting to walk in a white neighbourhood for fear of getting lynched NH, that's sad.

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captain yesterday wrote:
One of the little annoying things I got from my mom was I correct grammar and spelling as I can (especially with my kids) so one of the habits Crookshanks has developed is if she accidentally puts a typo in a text she'll almost immediately send a correction before I can correct her.

Its a good habit. So your kids learn proper spelling and grammar.


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Orthos wrote:
Limeylongears wrote:
Orthos wrote:

Temporary tooth crown was put on yesterday. Still feels weird.

Permanent crown won't be put in until January.

You now have a King Tooth (or Tooth King?)

Technically, Regent Tooth, if it's only a temporary crown.

Which begs the question as this is my second crown, are they co-kings? King and queen? King and prince? Is the whole mouth one kingdom or are the separate jaws separate lands? Does the ruling tooth rule over only its own kind - canines, molars, incisors, etc - or over its whole area/jaw/mouth?

That's the stuff of which dental civil wars are made, I fear.

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I've been getting a call from a certain number everyday of the week. I tried to call back, no one picked up, and the UOB bank msg service asked me to call back that number so I think today I'll try to keep my phone glued to me and catch the call, though previously I actually blocked the number.

My BF was pointing out that it may be legitimate business since UOB bank msg service asked me to call back the number.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Feh. Neither kid even got a callback.

Though Impus Major pointed out that all 5 of the people called back for the dentist were tenors. He sang the part a full octave below anything they did. I suspect they thought that was too dark or something.

He'll just have to wait until they do Sweeney Todd.


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Just a Mort wrote:
About the black guy not wanting to walk in a white neighbourhood for fear of getting lynched NH, that's sad.

Er, I spoilered it to prevent a public discussion, but that's a bit over-the-top.

He wasn't worried about getting lynched (at least I sure as heck hope not); we've just had many many well-publicized "xxxing while black" incidents in the U.S. where people doing absolutely innocent things (having a BBQ, sitting at Starbucks, waiting for a tow truck) have had the police called on them for the color of their skin.

Since this has been happening even locally (in Oakland, of all places), my guess is that he was an intelligent young man and assumed that wandering around in our neighborhood at night looking at houses would earn him a visit from over-aggressive police officers. I'd dearly like to believe he was wrong, especially since two of my immediate neighbors are black, but I'm not going to hold his caution against him.

Scarab Sages

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Freehold DM wrote:
Woran wrote:
I dont shame easily. But its the wrong time of year for a bit of nudity. Because I hate being cold.
...then why do you live where you live?!

Because the Netherlands is freaking awesome. *eats more cheese*

Scarab Sages

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NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

A Tirade and an Observation

So, for the depressive kid I ordered Little Star delivery from Amazon. Everything went according to plan... until the map showed the driver on our block, but he never showed up.

After a few minutes, I went outside, and there he was, parked a few doors down, lights on, engine running, not getting out of his car.

I learned two things:
(1) Amazon somehow got their hands on my cell phone number and replaced my contact information. So of course the guy was calling my cell phone, the cell phone was in another room, yadda yadda yadda. The rash assumption that everyone's cell phone number is the number you should always use just incenses me. But you all know that.
You would just think that when I say, "Use this number to contact me", they would, y'know, use that number to contact me.

(2) ** spoiler omitted **
Flame on, Fritzy!!

where do you weirdo west coasters keep your house numbers, exactly?

Oh, don't get me started. There's no requirement that we even HAVE them that I know of, so a lot of houses don't. Ours is in high contrast right by our front door, but the driver hadn't gotten that far down the street. The Boy Scouts used to come by and paint them on the curbs for a $30 fee, but for some reason that was declared illegal.

So yeah, it's one of my long list of pet peeves that many, many houses around here (especially in Berkeley) do not prominently display their numbers. I think mail delivery people just learn to interpolate.

We are required by law to have a house number which is readable from the public road.

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NobodysHome wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
About the black guy not wanting to walk in a white neighbourhood for fear of getting lynched NH, that's sad.

Er, I spoilered it to prevent a public discussion, but that's a bit over-the-top.

He wasn't worried about getting lynched (at least I sure as heck hope not); we've just had many many well-publicized "xxxing while black" incidents in the U.S. where people doing absolutely innocent things (having a BBQ, sitting at Starbucks, waiting for a tow truck) have had the police called on them for the color of their skin.

Since this has been happening even locally (in Oakland, of all places), my guess is that he was an intelligent young man and assumed that wandering around in our neighborhood at night looking at houses would earn him a visit from over-aggressive police officers. I'd dearly like to believe he was wrong, especially since two of my immediate neighbors are black, but I'm not going to hold his caution against him.

political:

In some ways, that's worse. When you can't even trust the police(which are an extension of the law) to give justice?

All should be equal before the law.

That's like one thing that almost every rule of law scholar agrees on.

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Do Asians get that problem walking down the streets too? If so, cats like me should be careful. Alter self is of course required so as not to get park Rangers and zookeeper types up in arms, but I didn't realize that my default human form came with problems as well.


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I wouldn't walk down the streets, cars use those!

The sidewalk is where you want to walk.

Shadow Lodge

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Just a Mort wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
About the black guy not wanting to walk in a white neighbourhood for fear of getting lynched NH, that's sad.

Er, I spoilered it to prevent a public discussion, but that's a bit over-the-top.

He wasn't worried about getting lynched (at least I sure as heck hope not); we've just had many many well-publicized "xxxing while black" incidents in the U.S. where people doing absolutely innocent things (having a BBQ, sitting at Starbucks, waiting for a tow truck) have had the police called on them for the color of their skin.

Since this has been happening even locally (in Oakland, of all places), my guess is that he was an intelligent young man and assumed that wandering around in our neighborhood at night looking at houses would earn him a visit from over-aggressive police officers. I'd dearly like to believe he was wrong, especially since two of my immediate neighbors are black, but I'm not going to hold his caution against him.

** spoiler omitted **

This is kinda the core of one of the biggest political disagreements plaguing the USA at this time.

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