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gran rey de los mono wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:

*sings I believe I can fly*

I first heard the song in Space Jam.

Same.
I've never seen Space Jam.

I don't actually know If one would enjoy it as an adult. I still feel kind of sad for you that you missed it at the appropriate age.

And speaking of appropriate age.


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Now you're just being mean!


captain yesterday wrote:
Now you're just being mean!

I know I was heart broken about the pop tarts thing too.

Alright now I need some agreement here. Only name brand pop tarts are any good and off brand are uneatable correct?


I honestly don't eat pop tarts, sorry!


My breakfast usually consists of coffee, coffee, a banana, and golden grahams or Quaker oatmeal.


Banana, cereal, orange juice, dried apricots, and MILLED LINSEED.


Oh, I am f&!$ing pissed.

AFTER WE F*&!ING DRIVE 10 G%$+##N MOTHERF~$!ING HOURS TO THE HALFLWAY POINT, AFTER WE SELL ALL OUR S@#+, AFTER WE GIVE AWAY EVERYTHING WE CAN'T SELL, BUST OUR ASS TO GET A LEASE ON TIME, AND SO F!!+ING MUCH MORE...

AFTER all that I'm told:

1. I have to pay for my own background check. WHO THE F$%@ DOES THAT? Especially for a mediocre paying job? This isn't some 50K a year thing. It's just baaarely a living wage.

2. Random drug tests. IN A TOWN WHERE WEED IS LEGAL! SO I have to be the ONLY M&*~#%#$~@~# in the G$*!#%N TOWN full of people legally smoking weed and these s&~$ eating a*+#!&*s expect me to be the one d$*+@ead abstaining? What the F!+$ does what I do OUTSIDE OF WORK have to do with my job? If I can perform the work, that's a g+%+$#n invasion of my motherf@&*ing privacy! I could inject heroin straight into my left nutsack three times a night, but if I can do my job, MIND YOUR F@#*ING BUSINESS!

3. I'm expected to have my own insurance. I DON'T OWN A CAR! I'll be driving a company vehicle - so why the f+~$ am I not on their insurance?! Especially if they're so concerned about my personal business outside of work - then YOU pay for that s~@#, you nosey m~$%@~&@#!#~s.

I swear to GOD I wouldn't have busted my ASS getting so much done so fast if I didn't find this s+&* out THE MOTHER F#&$ING DAY I LEFT! I don't give a s~&$ if this IS my girlfriend's aunt who is the CEO. I'm going to rip her ass a new hole the SECOND I find another job, because F@#@ that s#%~.


Now, I'm overreacting a little bit because I had ONE HOUR OF SLEEP since my dog decided to lose his s$@# when we were taking a nap at a rest stop when another dog came within like half a mile. So I'm...nettled. Super nettled.

I swear this is why I'm a cynical a$@$#~@ who hates other people. Cause they're mostly all liars, omitters, half-truthers, and otherwise so full of s!%* the whites of their eyes are brown, and they must have been conceived anally. And cause I'm REALLY grumpy right now.


captain yesterday wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
When I was a kid I read d&d, books about history and archaeology, listened to music, and watched TV.
My best friend to this day introduced me to D&D heavy metal and MTG all at once. I dove in so hard. I was around 13 I think.

I hate Magic: The Gathering. So much.

Sorry, I hate it so much I have to say it when someone mentions it offhand, I don't mind if people talk about it, but I feel like that should be known.

me too.


Just a Mort wrote:
The funny thing is I don't watch sports =) No interest.

I have some love for football, but that's about it.


captain yesterday wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
When I was a kid I read d&d, books about history and archaeology, listened to music, and watched TV.
My best friend to this day introduced me to D&D heavy metal and MTG all at once. I dove in so hard. I was around 13 I think.

I hate Magic: The Gathering. So much.

Sorry, I hate it so much I have to say it when someone mentions it offhand, I don't mind if people talk about it, but I feel like that should be known.

Now thats fine to each his/her own but I am curious as to why? especially since you used the word hate their.

Because as soon as it came out everyone I knew stopped playing all other games and was super obnoxious about it.

So yes, I absolutely hate it, more than anything else, more than Freehold hates Joss Whedon even.

that's impossible.

No wait, you said Whedon not math.

Therefore, that is improbable.


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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:

Oh, I am f*@@ing pissed.

AFTER WE F##&ING DRIVE 10 G$+*%~N MOTHERF#%%ING HOURS TO THE HALFLWAY POINT, AFTER WE SELL ALL OUR S%~%, AFTER WE GIVE AWAY EVERYTHING WE CAN'T SELL, BUST OUR ASS TO GET A LEASE ON TIME, AND SO F#*~ING MUCH MORE...

AFTER all that I'm told:

1. I have to pay for my own background check. WHO THE F@~% DOES THAT? Especially for a mediocre paying job? This isn't some 50K a year thing. It's just baaarely a living wage.

2. Random drug tests. IN A TOWN WHERE WEED IS LEGAL! SO I have to be the ONLY M*@#$!$~$#+# in the G!@%%@N TOWN full of people legally smoking weed and these s~~* eating a*%%@!+s expect me to be the one d#@#+ead abstaining? What the F#@% does what I do OUTSIDE OF WORK have to do with my job? If I can perform the work, that's a g+&&@#n invasion of my motherf+$~ing privacy! I could inject heroin straight into my left nutsack three times a night, but if I can do my job, MIND YOUR F@%&ING BUSINESS!

3. I'm expected to have my own insurance. I DON'T OWN A CAR! I'll be driving a company vehicle - so why the f+#@ am I not on their insurance?! Especially if they're so concerned about my personal business outside of work - then YOU pay for that s#+~, you nosey m~!+&#&+!*#*s.

I swear to GOD I wouldn't have busted my ASS getting so much done so fast if I didn't find this s~*~ out THE MOTHER F&&%ING DAY I LEFT! I don't give a s#$! if this IS my girlfriend's aunt who is the CEO. I'm going to rip her ass a new hole the SECOND I find another job, because F$%# that s+*$.

you DEFINITELY should have been told this WELL in advance.


Yeah, that's one reason I'm utterly INFURIATED.

If it wouldn't cost both of us our jobs, I'd walk right up to her Thursday and tell her

"I move halfway across the g%*@%+n country for a job that you give me HALF the facts for, and you sneak in more b$&+%&%! AFTER we leave?! F$%~ YOU" - and then I'd spit in her face the nastiest booger-filled lougie I could. Because punching someone can send you to jail, but a loogie in your face is probably even more infuriating, and less likely to be considered battery.

I still may yet do this if I get another job.

I'm that vindictive. I b$%@*ed out a former friend a few days ago for RSVPing to my wedding over 10 years ago (and asking me to send invitations to his family, who were friends of my dad, and they ALL RSVP'd) and none of them showed up. So yeah, my fuse is long (usually, when I have more sleep), but my memory is long. And those b!*~%es owe me $250 of catering, compounded over the course of 11 years.

And some time before this woman dies, she will have my snot-filled spit in her eye.

...probably. I AM on 1 hour of sleep. So I'm REALLY f@+$ing grumpy.

The Exchange

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Yeah I feel for you, VE. Not knowing the facts of the entire situation is >.<

Paying for your own background checks su*ks, especially since you're tight on dosh. The insurance part is strange because usually your workplace covers your insurance. Never heard of anyone having to fork out their own insurance before.

The Exchange

My breakfast is a bun and a cup of milo


Just a Mort wrote:

Yeah I feel for you, VE. Not knowing the facts of the entire situation is >.<

Paying for your own background checks su*ks, especially since you're tight on dosh. The insurance part is strange because usually your workplace covers your insurance. Never heard of anyone having to fork out their own insurance before.

Yeah I've clearly been fleeced.

The apt is still cheaper than Florida. And it isn't Florida. That's a big plus.

But seriously f$+# this b%&$#.


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Ouch! Good luck VE and I really hope that things improve.


Warhorns 2018
Just thought I'd do a little review of a festival I went to, especially for those of you who like metal (& to clarify my thoughts).

So I went to Warhorns Festival, a metal festival primarily focussing on the black, death and most significantly folk. I’ve been a few times ever since they held it in an underground club in York.

This year they’d moved to a new venue, a Power Station! Not knowing what exactly to expect, I was pleasantly surprised to find it was a social club, with a decent stage, dance floor, separate dining area & plenty of room to sit down. Attendance was less than 500.

Thursday:
Rune Master – Powery metal, with great clean vocals. This was a quality beginning to the event.

Sellsword – I’d seen them before & they have improved every time I’ve heard them. Awesome Power Metal with folk influences. Amazing stage presence and some of the best (clean) live vocals I’ve heard. Possibly the best of the weekend – I’d recommend everyone checks them out, at least for Hadrada, Merchant of Menace & Ashes.

Morpheus Rising – Somehow had to follow Sellsword, with the guitarist getting very upset with the sound quality it was not going to happen. A good gothic rock band, they were heavily backed by the organisers. They had a stage intruder, which was removed by security.

Wind Rose – Very theatrical, this band from Italy at first seemed like the stereotypical Italian power-metal. However with a great sense of relief they incorporated a few folk elements (& Tolkien inspired songs) to make the music more interesting. The lead-singer has a brilliant dwarf look down, with massive pauldrons and beard.

Friday – Well this was going to be a longer one, and would anyone be able to beat Sellsword as the best?

Friday:
Ante Inferno – Very solid opener, nice black and death metal sounds, that warmed up the sparse crowd well.

Scars of Sense – Sludgy doom-death with an excellent counterpoint of violins, very good. I’ll have to look them up a bit more. Although this did mark the problem of violins & backing/ female vocals were turned down all weekend.

Hex Morbidity – Great presence, black metal with a cello which worked really well. Very nice band.

Fjords – Doom metal, reminiscent of Katatonia or Opeth, just my jam. I think the sound system or set-length didn’t help them. Pretty good, but I’m sure next time I see them they’ll be excellent.

Petrichor – Now their appearance was at odds with the music, doom metal but they seemed a trifle camp with very silly make-up. However another good band.

Isarnos – Now these had decent problems with the more delicate instruments being overshadowed. Though with a fiddle, lute, pipe, hurdy-gurdy they are the definition of interesting Folk-Metal. Very, good band, with poor sounds quality.

Tor Marrock – These were excellent, a definite highlight amongst a host of other great bands. A 3-piece act, wearing masks they performed a stark doom set that was clever and enthralling.

Na Cruithne – An Irish folk metal band, with heavy roots and a good presence. They got the drunk crowd going but created a rod for their own back with the ‘Eggborough’ chants (the name of the power station. The first real jig-pit of the festival.

The Prophecy – These felt a bit out of place, a gothic or doomy band – early Paradise Lost? Amazing, emotional vocals.

Sojourner – Great band, some magnificent vocals and flute that worked really well with the heavier black metal influences.

Saturday – Up early to drive over again, it was to be another 12+ hour day of music. However there hadn’t been 1 band that I’d leave the room for, or just miss.

Saturday:

Stonebearer – A 3-piece, acoustic guitar, fiddle & tabor. This self-effacing band were the perfect introduction for the day. Performing for the 3 Warhorns running, he went back to his roots. Moonsorrow acoustic covers; which change the tone of the music entirely whilst still being incredible. He even sang in the original Finnish.

Yylva – Unfortunately, due to a medical emergency most of the group didn’t turn up…. It was just a solo harpist, who sat down next to us as she waited to perform. Very friendly. She had an amazing voice and the harp was amazing creating a haunting soundscape, even if there were a couple of times when it’d been a benefit to have more performers.

Opus Mortis – Heavy, thrashy with a cool 70’s horror feel to the music. They had some cool passages and songs.

Atorc – Excellent Celtic metal. With really catchy songs, great guitars. They are really excellent.

Ravenage – Glyn the organisers band, with the keyboardist from Alestorm. They perform various styles of folk-metal, from the hilariously catchy “More Beer” to the anthemic “This is Yorkshire”, whilst other songs are a trifle harder & less folk-inspired. A really good act and glad that they performed again this year.

Wyrdstaef – Their first ever performance and what a stage show! Garbed in full make-up and surrounded by candles, ceremonial items, rams skulls and more, they certainly made an impression! Then the music started and it was glorious, an amazing array of sound-effects combined with the music to create an atmospheric soundscape. During one song on of the guitarists stared out into the audience for the whole 5 minute song without blinking.
As for the music itself, it’s a folk-black metal with tagelharpa, tabors and you can get lost in the imaginative audio-vista. Reminiscent of Fen, but with some of the theatrics of Ghost and other Black Metal acts. The only problem was they seemed to finish early, I could have listened to them for another hour, or 2.

Now this was when the festival got particularly annoying, as with many festivals they were falling behind in stage times – which can be alright, Soujourner finished 45 minutes late the night before. However now, rather than the 60 minutes that we were meant to wait for the next act, it was 90 before someone came onto stage. Then they started warming-up just banging the drum, this lasted over half an hour as the crowd gathered to hear the next band perform. As would be the case with drunken people, some started heckling the band as they bashed away at the drum.
This brought the booker out, who told us that we had no respect & that these were the headliners and he’d personally throw out the next person who heckled. Which really annoyed me, no announcement of running late, no apologies or even just telling us what was going on.
So only 90 minutes late the next scheduled band took to stage, over the next 4 acts they’d make up a bit of time – but the festival magic was gone.

Aephamemer – Interesting French, twiddly technical black metal with a distinct Gallic feel. The imagery was pretty cool too.

Dark Forest – Arthurian Power Metal, pretty alright.

Obscurity – Generic, the audience seemed to love it. They got half of them onstage for the last song.

Kalmah – The headliners, well the sound was appalling. The kick-drum sounded like a wet balloon & the speakers had a constant hum.

Overall highlights and best bands: Sellsword, Wyrdstaef, Tor Marrock, then there’s a few I’d like to hear more of like: Hex Morbidity, Scars of Sense, Atorc, Isarnos & Fjords.

The Exchange

Oh wow...a music festival full of metal...*starts headbanging*

How much were the tickets again? Though I think it'd be the plane tickets that'd burn a hole in my pocket.

The Exchange

I realize that my BBEGs tend to take on cat-like traits >.<


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VE -

1) Having to pay for your own background check for employment? I've never heard of that before. That's *not* standard.

2) Having to use your own car insurance for a company vehicle? Again, not something I've ran across in my employment history. I can see where they would want to see that you have a valid license and your own insurance just as assurance that you are a responsible adult that they can entrust with a company vehicle, but that's about it.

3) Random drug tests. This is still pretty standard in the Midwest, but it's something that's stated and rarely (if ever) used. Most businesses will do a pre-employment drug screen, claim they do random drug tests, and then never follow through on the random testing due to the cost. It's mostly so that they can have you tested if they suspect something and try to cover their butts legally by telling you up front that they do random testing. My company claims they do random drug tests, but they certainly don't. They will ask you to have one if there's a suspected reason for it and claim it was "random", but in the near 5 years I've been here they've never done a single actual random drug test.


The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
...lots of stuff...

1. Interesting about the background check. I've had to pay for my own for every job I've ever held (except video store clerk, of course). But it was $25. Every. Single. Time. If it's more than that, they're doing something fishy.

2. So, here's the problem with the random drug tests: Since you'll be driving for them, they don't want you driving under the influence. With alcohol, this is easy, because your body completely purges itself of alcohol over hours, and they have good tests to determine whether or not you're impaired.
With weed, it's been illegal for so long they have no idea how easy portable way to check the concentration in the blood, they have no idea what concentration should be "legal" or "illegal", and it's detectable in your system for DAYS.
So yeah, employers have no idea how to deal with it yet, so they're erring on the side of caution, which really is screwed up in a state where it's legal.
You can have a beer and drive legally in pretty much every state (depending on your weight). You can have a couple of tokes, be almost exactly as impaired, and states have no ability to say "this is OK" or "this is not OK", nor even the ability to say, "Yeah, he's clean."
It's messed up right now. I agree with Freehold; you should have been warned about this one. You're being hosed because your employer has no idea how to deal with legal weed.

3. Gods. I'm not even sure that forcing someone who's driving a company vehicle to have their own insurance is legal. That is beyond f***** up. I've never seen anything so vile.
Even Diner Dash at least had the decency to call its employees "independent contractors" when they refused to pay for their insurance.


LOL. Look at me and Vanykrye! It must be opposite day!


Just a Mort wrote:

Oh wow...a music festival full of metal...*starts headbanging*

How much were the tickets again? Though I think it'd be the plane tickets that'd burn a hole in my pocket.

£30 for all 3 days, although my friend (well friends dad actually) had 4 free tickets. So I ended up with 3 unused tickets.


captain yesterday wrote:
I honestly don't eat pop tarts, sorry!

I'm kind of upset now...


Good! We can use that!!


Completly horrified Vidmaster7 wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
I honestly don't eat pop tarts, sorry!
I'm kind of upset now...

I don't eat them either.


Yep. For the record, I haven't had Pop Tarts in years, and it's only not "decades" because of the kids.

But I do recall during my grad school days attempting to find any cheaper alternative, and came to the same conclusion: Every off-brand Pop Tart sucks. Even Trader Joe's, which usually does good off-brand stuff.


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Old Man Ramblings #483:

  • I will never again purchase an electronic device with no buttons. I'm looking at you, entertainment systems. Impus Major and I share his "Swagbox™ 3000" (a Bose internet radio), so the remote wanders all over the living room. It's missing at the moment, and the box is buttonless; no volume controls, no preset buttons, just... a faceless black box. Having to start up an app just to adjust the volume on my radio is beyond stupid.
  • What does it say about your manager's hands-on style when you get an e-mail in the morning that says, "I'm out sick today" and your first thought is, "Awesome! A full day of work!"
    I love her, and I've been working with her for 14 years now, so we mostly understand each other, but she still has trouble controlling her micromanaging tendencies around me. She knows it irritates me, so she cuts me a lot of slack elsewhere. (How many other peons get to say, "No, my VP may not contact me unless I give her permission first?")
  • We did the Ren Faire yesterday for the first time in a few years, and Shiro convinced me to pull out my old costume (boots from 1990, pants and doublet from 1996, all still in excellent condition). Going in costume is definitely way more fun; way back when we started going in the 1980s, the cast members (employees. Workers. Peons. Whatever) were encouraged to harass those not in costume, and try to roleplay with those who were. I enjoyed neither. Now it's MUCH more laid-back, and going around in costume the cast members were more along the lines of, "Oh, thank you for at least trying, and for supporting some of our aging artisans by buying their stuff."
    GothBard got a new corset, and... holy s***. No, I will *not* be posting pictures. But she put it on in the shop, walked out, and hadn't gone 100 feet before someone said, "OMG! You're so beautiful! Can we get a picture with you?"
    She went from being relatively anonymous to 3 sets of pictures with other visitors in under an hour. Good corset.
  • I'll admit, I thought I was all Ren Faired out. It's wandering around in the dirt looking at overpriced stuff among a bunch of desperate roleplayers. But maybe it was because it was half-empty yesterday (it was "Brat Weekend" where people were encouraged to bring their kids, and I think that drove off 90% of the, "Let's go to the Faire and get drunk!" crowd, which is almost all of them), but I had a blast. I was half-dead and on Dayquil, but I still had a blast.

  • DSXMachina wrote:

    Warhorns 2018

    Just thought I'd do a little review of a festival I went to, especially for those of you who like metal (& to clarify my thoughts).

    So I went to Warhorns Festival, a metal festival primarily focussing on the black, death and most significantly folk. I’ve been a few times ever since they held it in an underground club in York.

    This year they’d moved to a new venue, a Power Station! Not knowing what exactly to expect, I was pleasantly surprised to find it was a social club, with a decent stage, dance floor, separate dining area & plenty of room to sit down. Attendance was less than 500.

    ** spoiler omitted **

    Friday – Well this was going to be a longer one, and would anyone be able to beat Sellsword as the best?

    ** spoiler omitted **...

    Arthurian power metal is a new one on me.


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    Me: I probably shouldn't put puns in grammar example sentences.
    Also me: Yes, you should. Captive audience.


    Vanykrye wrote:

    VE -

    1) Having to pay for your own background check for employment? I've never heard of that before. That's *not* standard.

    2) Having to use your own car insurance for a company vehicle? Again, not something I've ran across in my employment history. I can see where they would want to see that you have a valid license and your own insurance just as assurance that you are a responsible adult that they can entrust with a company vehicle, but that's about it.

    3) Random drug tests. This is still pretty standard in the Midwest, but it's something that's stated and rarely (if ever) used. Most businesses will do a pre-employment drug screen, claim they do random drug tests, and then never follow through on the random testing due to the cost. It's mostly so that they can have you tested if they suspect something and try to cover their butts legally by telling you up front that they do random testing. My company claims they do random drug tests, but they certainly don't. They will ask you to have one if there's a suspected reason for it and claim it was "random", but in the near 5 years I've been here they've never done a single actual random drug test.

    1) I have always paid for my own background check. It is always 25.00.

    2) back when i started the main job, I was one of the first generations of employees to be covered under the company drivers insurance. The person who told me this, who has since retired, was livid when the policy enacted. I have been in exactly one accident on company time, and this was settled out of court after the person I got into the accident with failed to identify me as the man who struck his vehicle. For more information, do a search for the word "accident" in this thread.

    3) I have yet to encounter a random drug test professionally at any job I have held. My friends have not encountered them either. I read an excellent article on "liquid gold" which explained that there is more money in testing companies doing pee tests for marijuana than there is in them doing dna tests that could get an innocent person out of prison.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Old Man Ramblings #483:

  • What does it say about your manager's hands-on style when you get an e-mail in the morning that says, "I'm out sick today" and your first thought is, "Awesome! A full day of work!"
    I love her, and I've been working with her for 14 years now, so we mostly understand each other, but she still has trouble controlling her micromanaging tendencies around me. She knows it irritates me, so she cuts me a lot of slack elsewhere. (How many other peons get to say, "No, my VP may not contact me unless I give her permission first?")
  • you are hardly the first person to get work done when the boss was out of the office.

    Quote:
  • We did the Ren Faire yesterday for the first time in a few years, and Shiro convinced me to pull out my old costume (boots from 1990, pants and doublet from 1996, all still in excellent condition). Going in costume is definitely way more fun; way back when we started going in the 1980s, the cast members (employees. Workers. Peons. Whatever) were encouraged to harass those not in costume, and try to roleplay with those who were. I enjoyed neither. Now it's MUCH more laid-back, and going around in costume the cast members were more along the lines of, "Oh, thank you for at least trying, and for supporting some of our aging artisans by buying their stuff."
  • I dont see the appeal in getting hammered at the ren faire, as someone needs to drive home. Lots of salacious urban legends surrounded my local one, I have since discovered many of them were started by our local SCA group to drum up interest. Damn them.

    Quote:

    GothBard got a new corset, and... holy s***. No, I will *not* be posting pictures. But she put it on in the shop, walked out, and hadn't gone 100 feet before someone said, "OMG! You're so beautiful! Can we get a picture with you?"

    She went from being relatively anonymous to 3 sets of pictures with other visitors in under an hour. Good corset....

    weeps tears of blood


    Freehold DM wrote:


    3) I have yet to encounter a random drug test professionally at any job I have held. My friends have not encountered them either. I read an excellent article on "liquid gold" which explained that there is more money in testing companies doing pee tests for marijuana...

    I've always had to do a pre-employment drug screen as standard practice.

    Once I had the job, I've seen only targeted drug screens - a person showed up to work high or, more recently, was reportedly taking drugs at work.

    I wouldn't get too uptight about "random drug screens". If I were you, I'd be much more concerned about passing what will very likely be a pre-employment drug screen.


    My favorite Freehold-tweaking moment of the Faire:
    While GothBard was being fitted, I was talking with one of the old-timers in the costume shop (he'd designed my 1996 doublet, and recognized it). Being grumpy old men, we started chatting and he started complaining about the modern kids who have gotten so accustomed to spending $12.99 at the Spirit store for a "wear once, then throw it away" costume that the mere concept of spending $325 for a "this'll last you for 30+ years" leather doublet and tunic is beyond them. (I'll do the math so you don't have to -- if you actually do the Ren Faire more than 25 days in your lifetime, the doublet is cheaper, assuming you can afford it at the time.)

    Then he just started going off about trying to sell in New York. They couldn't make any money because:
    (1) New Yorkers insist on haggling for everything, so they couldn't sell a single piece without discounting it.
    (2) The manager tried just upping the prices by 20%, then offering 20% discounts, but the owner, being an honest sort, said, "No. The price is the price. If they can't accept that, they don't need to buy from us."

    And thus ended their presence in New York.

    EDIT: It's probably my California upbringing. If I go to a store, someone says, "Oh, this doublet is $325," I decide it's too steep and start walking away and they say, "Wait! Wait! I can give it to you for $300!", I immediately get suspicious and think, "OK, this person is being dishonest with me. How much SHOULD I be spending here? I really have no idea, so now no matter what I pay I'm going to leave thinking that I was ripped off. So no, I'm better off leaving..."
    Second-guessing ourselves. It's what Californians do best.


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    My most baffling experience with haggling was at the Toyota dealership buying the Prius: It was 2006 so Priuses (Prii?) were flying off the shelves, and rumors of people bidding thousands over sticker price were rampant. So we drove out to Sacramento, and I just said, "I want this one. I'll cut you a check for MSRP right now. You can eat the taxes and fees and we'll both walk away happy."

    The sales guy proceeded to spend FOUR HOURS utterly wasting our time. "Let me show you a video of the options. Let me tell you about the extended warranty. Well, let me see whether my manager will go for that."

    Just utter and complete nonsense. And all I ever said was, "No, I would just like the car, please."

    And at the end of the whole dog-and-pony show, he'd ended up putting in SO many numbers and made SO many offers that my final check was nearly $3000 under MSRP.

    I will never understand that experience.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    My favorite Freehold-tweaking moment of the Faire:

    While GothBard was being fitted, I was talking with one of the old-timers in the costume shop (he'd designed my 1996 doublet, and recognized it). Being grumpy old men, we started chatting and he started complaining about the modern kids who have gotten so accustomed to spending $12.99 at the Spirit store for a "wear once, then throw it away" costume that the mere concept of spending $325 for a "this'll last you for 30+ years" leather doublet and tunic is beyond them. (I'll do the math so you don't have to -- if you actually do the Ren Faire more than 25 days in your lifetime, the doublet is cheaper, assuming you can afford it at the time.)

    Then he just started going off about trying to sell in New York. They couldn't make any money because:
    (1) New Yorkers insist on haggling for everything, so they couldn't sell a single piece without discounting it.
    (2) The manager tried just upping the prices by 20%, then offering 20% discounts, but the owner, being an honest sort, said, "No. The price is the price. If they can't accept that, they don't need to buy from us."

    And thus ended their presence in New York.

    EDIT: It's probably my California upbringing. If I go to a store, someone says, "Oh, this doublet is $325," I decide it's too steep and start walking away and they say, "Wait! Wait! I can give it to you for $300!", I immediately get suspicious and think, "OK, this person is being dishonest with me. How much SHOULD I be spending here? I really have no idea, so now no matter what I pay I'm going to leave thinking that I was ripped off. So no, I'm better off leaving..."
    Second-guessing ourselves. It's what Californians do best.

    I am very familiar with haggling at ren faires, because they used to be attached to cons, and haggling at cons was a regular past time.

    I vend. I know how it goes. I am fortunate to work with people who are not the flim flam artists of the 90 into early 00s conventions.

    Also, ren faires are NOTORIOUSLY overpriced(Disneyland level rip off prices, and yes, I know you can afford Disneyland stuff) to where one year all I could afford was booze(hey maybe that's why people get hammered at ren faires...).

    That said I am glad you had a good time.

    Please inform gothbard that everything is double free if she wears the corset at the abscondi-cave. That's right. I will GIVE HER MONEY* to eat, drink, and watch Netflix there.

    *money may or may not be in american currency, or even from a country that is recognized as one.


    Freehold DM wrote:
    Also, ren faires are NOTORIOUSLY overpriced(Disneyland level rip off prices, and yes, I know you can afford Disneyland stuff) to where one year all I could afford was booze(hey maybe that's why people get hammered at ren faires...).

    Yeah, a whole ton of the stuff is seriously, "WTF? That's just a die-cast pewter mug. And you're charging $150 for it? Seriously?!?!!??"

    But there's also the worked leather, woodworking, and sewing that's honestly and obviously many hours of someone's time. Somebody either had to buy a machine to put the patterning into the leather, or to pay someone to do it. I usually try to consider, "OK, how long do I think it took this person to make this? And at $35/hour, how much would that be?", because around here that's a "reasonable" handyman's rate.
    I'm probably frequently wrong. But I try to stick with crafts that look like they've taken a lot of time and care.
    And with my stuff nearing 30 years old and still looking good, my *belief* is that I"ve been choosing wisely.

    But yeah, since 2000 I've been able to afford it, too.

    EDIT: And 2 teetotallers in a party of 4 at a Ren Faire was fun. Almost as fun as the Alestorm concert where I got the "cannot drink" marks on my hands. People figured I was some kind of freak.


    I haven't been to a Ren Faire in years. I just haven't been able to make the time for the trip. One day, I'll go back.


    Somehow I've managed to never go to one, despite it being something I would probably have some fun doing.


    Memes, memes everywhere.

    The kids are so fixated on memes that I'm legitimately starting to wonder if it's a sister movement to the birth of Dadaism post-WWI. Some of them make about as much sense.

    ...not that I have much room to talk with my classroom door covered in literature/history memes.


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    I don't know why, but speculating on the future historical/sociological value of new media formats fascinates me.


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    Vanykrye wrote:
    Somehow I've managed to never go to one, despite it being something I would probably have some fun doing.

    Freehold has it right: It's a place where people dress in silly costumes to pay 3-4 times what items should cost, eat barely-recognizable food with silly names, and get schnockered while ogling cleavage.

    But having written that, I cannot say it's not fun.


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    Scintillae wrote:

    Memes, memes everywhere.

    The kids are so fixated on memes that I'm legitimately starting to wonder if it's a sister movement to the birth of Dadaism post-WWI. Some of them make about as much sense.

    ...not that I have much room to talk with my classroom door covered in literature/history memes.

    Impus Major has a shirt that says, "Meme Lord".

    Impus Major had half a school bus block him from sending to them as he Air Dropped dank memes to their phones during the entire bus ride to LA.
    Impus Major's iPod and iPad both ran out of memory... from storing too many memes.

    Impus Major is... worrisome...


    I cannot fathom how some people think/don't think. I had to introduce a new process to someone because the previous one they were using simply didn't work. I was worried about the more difficult steps of the process, so I wanted to do a walk-through to get the user comfortable.

    The difficult spots? Flew through them without asking a single question, and did it perfectly.

    The easy stuff...like "pick this printer instead of that one"...completely stopped her in her tracks. Stumped. Deer in the headlights.

    It's probably best that I decided not to become a high school chemistry and physics teacher.


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    I was discharged yesterday and am back at work today!

    ...

    Going to a Renn Faire is worth it once, IMO, but further visits even to different Faires produce diminishing returns in fun. I've been to half a dozen during the course of my life, and if I never see another I won't even remember.


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    Part of my problem with Ren Faires is finding someone to go with. Hoping to take the SO at least once, but therein lies the flaw of long distance.


    NobodysHome wrote:
    Vanykrye wrote:
    Somehow I've managed to never go to one, despite it being something I would probably have some fun doing.

    Freehold has it right: It's a place where people dress in silly costumes to pay 3-4 times what items should cost, eat barely-recognizable food with silly names, and get schnockered while ogling cleavage.

    But having written that, I cannot say it's not fun.

    why ogle when you can jump right in? That's what wicked winter ren faire is for!


    Because we didn't get enough rain this summer...


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    I'm sure I would enjoy a renaissance fair with my wife and kids, the problem is they're lousy with the rest of my family, and they suck at renaissance fairs.

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