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NobodysHome wrote:

Not to go into TMI territory, but one family member has to routinely take 14 capfuls of Miralax combined with 2 liters of water.

Yes, it's horrific and expensive.

But holy good gravy does it clean out the system.

just get them some senna root. seriously.


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If you're taking senna root dont bother with clothes.


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I'm sure there's a cautionary tale in there somewhere, but I'm not looking for it.


My vote for a song that always hits me...Tori Amos' version of I Don't Like Mondays

Oh, and speaking of Tori Amos - she does a beautiful cover of Radiohead's Creep. (language warning)


I know it's sportsball, but this is more a family kid update.

Zelda's son's freshmen football team won 36-6 tonight. That puts them at 5-0 so far, and they've outscored their competition 196-18 in those 5 games. They've been like a marauding Mongol horde.


Just a Mort wrote:
Oh but again I'm not sure what happens on diabetes with all those suggested stuff... D@mn

All of those things I like or sound delish! Especially the winter honey, assuming it is actual honey. Is it actual honey? Mmmmm...this is what insulin is for!

But I'm way beyond home remedies -- my doctor has given me detailed instructions involving an entire bottle of Miralax (which I'm already consuming huge quantities of), suppositories, an enema, and large amounts of electrolyte hydration.

And if that doesn't work, I'll need to go to the ER.


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And on a less TMI note, here's a question for any amateur historians here:

Did any non-asian cultures at any time use chopsticks, or something like chopsticks? And did asian cultures at any time use forks/knives/spoons to eat? I was at a sushi place with the fam tonight, and it occurred to me as incredibly unlikely that europeans for example went straight from finger-eating to forks/knives/spoons, or that asian cultures never invented anything beyond chopsticks for eating. Especially considering fireworks and other ingenuities.

And yet chopsticks are as far as I know the exclusive province of asian culture, and forks/knives/spoons for eating the exclusive province of european culture.


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Hey guys. I have had a crazy week. Good news and bad news. The bad news really, really sucks. And right after we were talking about ferrets.

Good News:
I did well enough at my last comedy show that another comedian asked me to go open for him on a few road gigs. Details aren't hammered out yet but it'll be my first paid gig! It's not for a month, though, so meanwhile I'm still broke. Still good progress!

The Bad:
My ferret has rear leg weakness. It's a sign of a lot of stuff that could be major. I take him to the only vet for many miles who handles ferrets because they're "exotic' (though they're more common than horses, which certainly aren't exotic). $350 deposit with more to come from days of hospitalization, tests, and treatment...who knows how much eventually.

He fell from his hammock trying to lazily get food leaning backwards (adorably lazy) and hit a lower floor and had a couple swlllen discs. They swelled so much he couldn't pee or poo, except when it leaked out. Had I waited to get him in his bladder could've burst killing him.

He stopped dragging one leg and is pooing again himself now, but not pee. Vet said the rest may recover and to wait to Friday...I guess when I wake up really...to get him...

He may never adorably hop around or be as playful. He can't have a multistory cage anymore, so I need to make one big enough for him now, and he can't even room with my girlfriend's ferret for a couple months after I take him home, in case she hurts him trying yo play, cuddle, or climb on him. He also may need help with #1 for who knows how long.

This doesn't count how I had to take out a new credit card to afford the deposit, as I have about $8 in my bank account. I know it wasn't a logical thing to do, but...I got him immediately after my divorce. Until I got my dog a couple months ago his adorable weasel face was my rock when the rest of the world was crazy. I just didn't want him to hurt...but now I have more debt as I try to afford escaping this state. I don't regret the decisiom to help him. I lost my s!$! so bad after dropping him off I had to max my anxiety meds, drink two cups of valarian tea, and smoke a j just to fall asleep.

I may have a crippled ferret...but I doubt it. He's a persistent bastard.


captain yesterday wrote:
Uh yeah, we haven't had an Indian summer either, it's gone from hot as hell to slightly less hot but infinitely more humid, kind of like Florida without all the elderly people from New York and New Jersey to make it unbearable.

Oddly enough, everyone I've met from New Jersey has been super nice. Completely contrary to my usual rants about NY to Florida exiles.


Why does Ohio suck, cap? Specifically? Athens is on my list of potential spots...I might have an in for a job at OU (and the city decrimmed last year) as well as a cheap place to live. My girlfriend has lots of family there.


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TVE, I am so sorry about your ferret issues. May he heal up soon.


The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
Why does Ohio suck, cap? Specifically? Athens is on my list of potential spots...I might have an in for a job at OU (and the city decrimmed last year) as well as a cheap place to live. My girlfriend has lots of family there.

Nothing specific.


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Hope he's back on all four paws quickly, VE.
And congratulations about the opening gigs!


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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
Why does Ohio suck, cap? Specifically? Athens is on my list of potential spots...I might have an in for a job at OU (and the city decrimmed last year) as well as a cheap place to live. My girlfriend has lots of family there.

You can never go wrong living in a college town. Wisconsin can be a stagnant backwards racist s~%!hole, if you leave Madison.

We try to minimize our interaction with the rest of the state. :-)


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captain yesterday wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
Why does Ohio suck, cap? Specifically? Athens is on my list of potential spots...I might have an in for a job at OU (and the city decrimmed last year) as well as a cheap place to live. My girlfriend has lots of family there.

You can never go wrong living in a college town. Wisconsin can be a stagnant backwards racist s#*+hole, if you leave Madison.

We try to minimize our interaction with the rest of the state. :-)

I'll second that. I'm *from* one of those stagnant backwards racist s#*+holes. But, hey, we had gorgeous scenery.

But Ohio, yeah.
My uncle (the one who builds the custom BDSM furniture) travels around the country a lot delivering pieces. He says Ohio is one of his favorite states in the country for getting good food cheap. Because he loves to eat out and hates to pay for it.


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Last night we went to my mother-in-law's for dinner.
There was a note on the kitchen counter, in elegant cursive, that said
"Rats in the Attic"
She saw me looking at it, and said, "Oh, I leave myself little notes so I can remember what I'm planning to serve."
Me: "So we're going to eat the rats in the attic?"
She stared at me with a concerned expression, then quietly turned away.

She made meatloaf. It was well-seasoned and juicy, but who's to say what kind of meat it was? She has good knives and a grinder and a lot of time on her hands.


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lisamarlene wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
Why does Ohio suck, cap? Specifically? Athens is on my list of potential spots...I might have an in for a job at OU (and the city decrimmed last year) as well as a cheap place to live. My girlfriend has lots of family there.

You can never go wrong living in a college town. Wisconsin can be a stagnant backwards racist s#*+hole, if you leave Madison.

We try to minimize our interaction with the rest of the state. :-)

I'll second that. I'm *from* one of those stagnant backwards racist s#*+holes. But, hey, we had gorgeous scenery.

But Ohio, yeah.
My uncle (the one who builds the custom BDSM furniture) travels around the country a lot delivering pieces. He says Ohio is one of his favorite states in the country for getting good food cheap. Because he loves to eat out and hates to pay for it.

freehold will use his special abilities to spread tolerance throughout the adult female population your hometown. Also, your uncle is cool. Also, your uncle may help. Or at least his furniture might.


lisamarlene wrote:

Last night we went to my mother-in-law's for dinner.

There was a note on the kitchen counter, in elegant cursive, that said
"Rats in the Attic"
She saw me looking at it, and said, "Oh, I leave myself little notes so I can remember what I'm planning to serve."
Me: "So we're going to eat the rats in the attic?"
She stared at me with a concerned expression, then quietly turned away.

She made meatloaf. It was well-seasoned and juicy, but who's to say what kind of meat it was? She has good knives and a grinder and a lot of time on her hands.

you are an awesome wife.

Your mother in law may be awesome too, as she either reads lovecraft or is really into green gourmet extermination of pests.


Freehold DM wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Last night we went to my mother-in-law's for dinner.

There was a note on the kitchen counter, in elegant cursive, that said
"Rats in the Attic"
She saw me looking at it, and said, "Oh, I leave myself little notes so I can remember what I'm planning to serve."
Me: "So we're going to eat the rats in the attic?"
She stared at me with a concerned expression, then quietly turned away.

She made meatloaf. It was well-seasoned and juicy, but who's to say what kind of meat it was? She has good knives and a grinder and a lot of time on her hands.

you are an awesome wife.

Your mother in law may be awesome too, as she either reads lovecraft or is really into green gourmet extermination of pests.

Guaranteed no Lovecraft.

She reads nothing but the old-fashioned type of mystery novel where the characters are two-dimensional, the plot is obvious, and no one ever, ever uses rough language.


lisamarlene wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Last night we went to my mother-in-law's for dinner.

There was a note on the kitchen counter, in elegant cursive, that said
"Rats in the Attic"
She saw me looking at it, and said, "Oh, I leave myself little notes so I can remember what I'm planning to serve."
Me: "So we're going to eat the rats in the attic?"
She stared at me with a concerned expression, then quietly turned away.

She made meatloaf. It was well-seasoned and juicy, but who's to say what kind of meat it was? She has good knives and a grinder and a lot of time on her hands.

you are an awesome wife.

Your mother in law may be awesome too, as she either reads lovecraft or is really into green gourmet extermination of pests.

Guaranteed no Lovecraft.

She reads nothing but the old-fashioned type of mystery novel where the characters are two-dimensional, the plot is obvious, and no one ever, ever uses rough language.

is it one of those novels where someone is brutally murdered and the killer quickly gives up after the detective finds them out?


Or, once exposed, the (suitably aristocratic) murderer commits suicide, joins the Foreign Legion, or is run down by an omnibus in an act of Divine Judgement.


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Tequila Sunrise wrote:

But I'm way beyond home remedies -- my doctor has given me detailed instructions involving an entire bottle of Miralax (which I'm already consuming huge quantities of), suppositories, an enema, and large amounts of electrolyte hydration.

My sympathies TS...

*Sends out flyers for the wake, to the rest of the Fawtler's, for TS's b$#&$#$~ as he fears the worst, due to the treatment that's in store for it ^^' *

Tequila Sunrise wrote:

And on a less TMI note, here's a question for any amateur historians here:

Did any non-asian cultures at any time use chopsticks, or something like chopsticks? And did asian cultures at any time use forks/knives/spoons to eat? I was at a sushi place with the fam tonight, and it occurred to me as incredibly unlikely that europeans for example went straight from finger-eating to forks/knives/spoons, or that asian cultures never invented anything beyond chopsticks for eating. Especially considering fireworks and other ingenuities.

And yet chopsticks are as far as I know the exclusive province of asian culture, and forks/knives/spoons for eating the exclusive province of european culture.

Hmmm…good question…

Its not really an area of history I have much expertise in...and I don't really think its something I have any books on.
Hmmm…might take a look at it.

If I was to hazard an early guess, without doing any research (ie I'm pulling this out of my ass).

My guess would be that eating utensil might have evolved following a somewhat "universal" template in the very earliest historical periods.
I imagine that early neolithic human used used sharpened wood or bone as a very basic 'skewer' in basic cooking over an open flame.
(Early man might have been primitive, but I don't seen them plunging their hands into an open fire to get some severely charred food...)
This early shape could then later be further developed into a pronged sharpened object which could be looked at as a kind of proto-fork.
Likewise sea-shells and other shell-like object might have served as early 'spoon replacements, until their shapes where copied onto bone, wood and finally early pottery (heck it wouldn't surprise me if there has been found some shell + wooden handle proto-spoon in some neolithic habitat.
Knives? *Looks at a sharp piece of flint* yea they had that covered.

As for chop-sticks…
Don't really know…
My extrapolation above explains them somewhat and their ubiquity might have something to done with their ease of manufacture. Every one can make their own primitive chop-sticks, while a fork requires more time, and 'finer' materials (not just any stick or whatever material you pick will do).

The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
…Bad news about pet ferret…

*Waddles over to ferret-cage and gives VE's ferret a loving nuzzle*

Hope the little guy get better VE, reading about him made my inner druid cry.


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lisamarlene wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
Why does Ohio suck, cap? Specifically? Athens is on my list of potential spots...I might have an in for a job at OU (and the city decrimmed last year) as well as a cheap place to live. My girlfriend has lots of family there.

You can never go wrong living in a college town. Wisconsin can be a stagnant backwards racist s#*+hole, if you leave Madison.

We try to minimize our interaction with the rest of the state. :-)

I'll second that. I'm *from* one of those stagnant backwards racist s#*+holes. But, hey, we had gorgeous scenery.

But Ohio, yeah.
My uncle (the one who builds the custom BDSM furniture) travels around the country a lot delivering pieces. He says Ohio is one of his favorite states in the country for getting good food cheap. Because he loves to eat out and hates to pay for it.

As am I, complete with the racist uncle who's a retired semi driver. Unfortunately, being from the east central part of IL, there wasn't even any good scenery, unless you count the unobstructed view of the sunrise, sunset, and the ability to see a storm coming from several miles away.

I will say that one is neat..."Hey look, it's raining over there, and over there, and if we time it right we can drive between those storms!"

Edit: In fact, Google Maps doesn't even have a complete street view of my hometown. It's only bothered with portions of about 6 streets.

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Cover Turtle? You're a druid..?

Hmm...what class am I?


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I'm a bard. Perform: puns.

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I think that should belong to gran..I have no idea how many pun jokes he's put down here.


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Scintillae wrote:
I'm a bard. Perform: puns.

This immediately made me think of the Weirding Way training scene from the Lynch Dune movie, except with a bard using puns to deal physical sonic damage without the need for the Module.

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I sorta don't get constipation issues because of all the delish remedies I know that I'd just eat for fun. Because slurp!

Except I'm supposed to be counting calories.

*sulks in a corner*

My BF's brother's ROM is coming first week of October, and I'd like to be able to fit in a dress without my tummy sticking out, please.


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Tequila Sunrise wrote:

And on a less TMI note, here's a question for any amateur historians here:

Did any non-asian cultures at any time use chopsticks, or something like chopsticks? And did asian cultures at any time use forks/knives/spoons to eat? I was at a sushi place with the fam tonight, and it occurred to me as incredibly unlikely that europeans for example went straight from finger-eating to forks/knives/spoons, or that asian cultures never invented anything beyond chopsticks for eating. Especially considering fireworks and other ingenuities.

And yet chopsticks are as far as I know the exclusive province of asian culture, and forks/knives/spoons for eating the exclusive province of european culture.

Use of knife is older than fire probably. It was in constant use since forever, though its form and making changed, and more table-like forms of use developed over the millennia.

Spoons were used at least 12+ thousands years ago. Various Asian cultures are using spoons, China had some at least three thousands years ago.

Forks... Apparently there were Ancient Chinese forks - possibly developed from skewers with extra prongs to hold the meat better. They also developed in Greece and Ancient Rome. Though they were more of cooking and serving utensils. Forks as eating utensils might have been developed in Eastern Roman Empire and then slowly spread across Europe.


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God, if I put in Fawtl every pun I used in my day-to-day life...


I'd like to think I'd be a rogue, but my profession says otherwise.

Still, if I had to pick an adventurer class I'd pick rogue, and probably die in the first dungeon when Dicknutts the fighter runs away.

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Scintillae wrote:
God, if I put in Fawtl every pun I used in my day-to-day life...

Bring it on!


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Drejk wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:

And on a less TMI note, here's a question for any amateur historians here:

Did any non-asian cultures at any time use chopsticks, or something like chopsticks? And did asian cultures at any time use forks/knives/spoons to eat? I was at a sushi place with the fam tonight, and it occurred to me as incredibly unlikely that europeans for example went straight from finger-eating to forks/knives/spoons, or that asian cultures never invented anything beyond chopsticks for eating. Especially considering fireworks and other ingenuities.

And yet chopsticks are as far as I know the exclusive province of asian culture, and forks/knives/spoons for eating the exclusive province of european culture.

Use of knife is older than fire probably. It was in constant use since forever, though its form and making changed, and more table-like forms of use developed over the millennia.

Spoons were used at least 12+ thousands years ago. Various Asian cultures are using spoons, China had some at least three thousands years ago.

Forks... Apparently there were Ancient Chinese forks - possibly developed from skewers with extra prongs to hold the meat better. They also developed in Greece and Ancient Rome. Though they were more of cooking and serving utensils. Forks as eating utensils might have been developed in Eastern Roman Empire and then slowly spread across Europe.

To paraphrase Seinfeld "You know they've seen forks. They have pitchforks. They're not plowing fields with two pool cues. They're just being stubborn."


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My ex wife and I analyzed every class thoroughly, and agreed I'm a bard with perform oratory and comedy. I have bardic knowledge out the wazoo and I'm definitely a jack of all trades and master of none. I'm probably a halfling due to loving food and my epic laziness and fondness for smoking bud. Now hold on, I'm late for elevensies and my afternoon halfling leaf puff.

In other good news I'm omw to pick up my buddy from the vet right now! They say he's tucking his feet under him and a bit playful again! Still needs help peeing and is weak but I can't wait to see my little fur snake.

Why does that sound dirty?


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Just a Mort wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
God, if I put in Fawtl every pun I used in my day-to-day life...
Bring it on!

Taking lunch count. The options were both some variant of chicken. I said this was fowl. Cue headdesking.

Kid drops the top of her cup. I tell her to chill and not flip her lid. Cue stink eye and a claim that if I wasn't her teacher, she'd throw the empty paper cup at me.

"Class hasn't even started, and I'm already done." It's how I know the puns are working.


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It's extra great because even my children who hate puns have gotten better at them...if only to anticipate them and beat me to it in hopes of sucking the joy out of it. This backfires horribly on them because I just tell them I'm proud of them.


The oldest written joke in history was a pun IIRC.


I have a game. Name a solo artist (or side project, or collaberation, etc) who was actually >better< than their original group upon going solo. Music aficionados know this isn't usually the case.

I'll start with the easy ones:

Better:

Rob Zombie (White Zombie)
Michael Jackson (The Jackson 5)
Beyonce (Destiny's Child)
Justin Timberlake (N'Sync)

Definitely NOT better::

-Brandon Boyd (Incubus)
-Sully Erna (Godsmack)
-Either Van Halen singer
-Billy Corgan or Zwan (Smashing Pumpkins)
-Gwen Stefani (No Doubt)
-Puscifer or APC (Tool)

Maybe...:

-Stone Sour/Slipknot is kinda a coin toss to me.
-Ozzy/Sabbath is another tough call. Crazy Train makes me lean towards Ozzy, but BS was still boss with RJD.


The Vagrant Erudite wrote:

I have a game. Name a solo artist (or side project, or collaberation, etc) who was actually >better< than their original group upon going solo. Music aficionados know this isn't usually the case.

I'll start with the easy ones:

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Busy at work right now, and nothing is popping up immediately in my head as a no question about it kind of thing.

And I think you need to clarify "better" as it's highly subjective, and sometimes people leave groups to go play a completely different genre of music entirely, so that's a whole other thing.


Vanykrye wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:

I have a game. Name a solo artist (or side project, or collaberation, etc) who was actually >better< than their original group upon going solo. Music aficionados know this isn't usually the case.

I'll start with the easy ones:

** spoiler omitted **

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Busy at work right now, and nothing is popping up immediately in my head as a no question about it kind of thing.

And I think you need to clarify "better" as it's highly subjective, and sometimes people leave groups to go play a completely different genre of music entirely, so that's a whole other thing.

For instance...How would you rate the subsequent careers of the individual Beatles after they broke up?


The Vagrant Erudite wrote:

I have a game. Name a solo artist (or side project, or collaberation, etc) who was actually >better< than their original group upon going solo. Music aficionados know this isn't usually the case.

I'll start with the easy ones:

** spoiler omitted **

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I like Gwen Stefani sans No Doubt.


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Vanykrye wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:

I have a game. Name a solo artist (or side project, or collaberation, etc) who was actually >better< than their original group upon going solo. Music aficionados know this isn't usually the case.

I'll start with the easy ones:

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

Busy at work right now, and nothing is popping up immediately in my head as a no question about it kind of thing.

And I think you need to clarify "better" as it's highly subjective, and sometimes people leave groups to go play a completely different genre of music entirely, so that's a whole other thing.

For instance...How would you rate the subsequent careers of the individual Beatles after they broke up?

I hate the Beatles.


Vanykrye wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:

I have a game. Name a solo artist (or side project, or collaberation, etc) who was actually >better< than their original group upon going solo. Music aficionados know this isn't usually the case.

I'll start with the easy ones:

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

Busy at work right now, and nothing is popping up immediately in my head as a no question about it kind of thing.

And I think you need to clarify "better" as it's highly subjective, and sometimes people leave groups to go play a completely different genre of music entirely, so that's a whole other thing.

For instance...How would you rate the subsequent careers of the individual Beatles after they broke up?

I know it's subjective, but that's part of the game :-) the "why" in disputed ones.

Like I would go Slipknot > Stone Sour just because it's more technically proficient instrumentalism, despite Stone Sour having a bit more "soul" if that makes sense.

Personally, I feel for Beatles...

Late Beatles > John Solo > Paul Solo > George Solo > Early Beatles > Ringo


Freehold, you like Gwen later cause she got new boobs and you like boobs, and she didn't get the cheap ones either. She spent money for the good tit job and went from surfboard to hourglass.

She's not untalented solo. I just think it's a fragment of No Doubt as a group. Like Maynard/Puscifer and Tool.

I mean look at the writing in Don't Speak compared to...Bananas. One is beautiful and emotional about moving on with life after a major earth shattering breakup. One just talks about a beat. World of difference.


The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:


For instance...How would you rate the subsequent careers of the individual Beatles after they broke up?

I know it's subjective, but that's part of the game :-) the "why" in disputed ones.

Like I would go Slipknot > Stone Sour just because it's more technically proficient instrumentalism, despite Stone Sour having a bit more "soul" if that makes sense.

Personally, I feel for Beatles...

Late Beatles > John Solo > Paul Solo > George Solo > Early Beatles > Ringo

And yet you don't even mention Pete. ;)

To me, Mike Portnoy is a really interesting case when you figure all of the bands he's been in as both side projects and his career post Dream Theater, and I can't even name them all nor can I claim that I've heard the music of all the ones I even know about.

In the narrow case of Dream Theater, I do feel like the band is lessened without Portnoy, even though Mangini is a great drummer. There's just that intangible something missing.

Dream Theater
Transatlantic
Avenged Sevenfold
Neal Morse Band
Flying Colors
Winery Dogs
Liquid Tension Experiment
Adrenaline Mob
Sons of Apollo
Twisted Sister
And more, I'm sure.


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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:

Freehold, you like Gwen later cause she got new boobs and you like boobs, and she didn't get the cheap ones either. She spent money for the good tit job and went from surfboard to hourglass.

She's not untalented solo. I just think it's a fragment of No Doubt as a group. Like Maynard/Puscifer and Tool.

I mean look at the writing in Don't Speak compared to...Bananas. One is beautiful and emotional about moving on with life after a major earth shattering breakup. One just talks about a beat. World of difference.

My love of music transcends that of boobs!


Rob Zombie is NOT better than White Zombie, just saying.


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All I know is, there is nothing more boring than 35 minutes of Eddie Vedder jamming on a ukulele.


Foo Fighters are better than Sunny Day Real Estate.


captain yesterday wrote:
All I know is, there is nothing more boring than 35 minutes of Eddie Vedder jamming on a ukulele.

You were homeschooled, right?

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