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I just meant, if you want to lose all hope in humanity, try parenting a teenager.
It doesn't matter if they're tech savvy if they lie about every g%&@+#n little f++*ing thing.
Some end users are pretty much teenagers then.
"Did you do the thing we explicitly told you not to do?""No."
"This thing looks like you exactly did what we told you not to do."
"Not possible, I didnt do anything."
"We're going to need to reset your profile to make it work again."
"OMG IT is so incopetent your stuff doesnt work and you cant do anything right."
havetoremaincalmhavetoremaincalmhavetoremaincalmhavetoremaincalm

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*Pokes head out of his shell*
*Drags Mort's blanket back to her basket, folds it and puts it in one end, also place an "Turtle-IOU", redeemable for some chocolates, a tin of liquorice or other assorted candies*
*Waddles past John house and puts a box of antihistamines on his door-mat*
*Walks past Cap landscaping, looks at him a bit worried, waddles over and gives him a pat on the shoulder with a turtle foot, while nodding understandingly*

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Then one must practice the zen of not listening and then doing what you were going to do anyways....there may be a reason I’m the black sheep of my family....:P
Reminds me of when I worked retail.
After I'd been at my store a few years, we had another salesfloor person get hired who had, apparently, been management at a different store some years before. Everything she did was tailored to angle for management again. The catch was that management not only knew it but was having none of it because of whatever reason she had left management in the past and her overall unpleasantness. She seemed oblivious to this and made a habit of trying to junior-manage everyone who would let her.
Cut to her giving me a mini lecture about how to do my job (note that due to the store's general turnover rate, I was one of their long-runners at this point) within earshot of my actual supervisor. Supervisor comes over the second she is out of earshot.
"Scint, you know you don't have to take that from her."
"Yeah, I know."
"So why didn't you tell her to step off?"
"Because if I did, she'd still be here, and now I can ignore everything she told me and get back to work?"
".....okay fair. But seriously, report her if she does it again."

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*Pokes head out of his shell*
*Drags Mort's blanket back to her basket, folds it and puts it in one end, also place an "Turtle-IOU", redeemable for some chocolates, a tin of liquorice or other assorted candies*
*Waddles past John house and puts a box of antihistamines on his door-mat*
*Walks past Cap landscaping, looks at him a bit worried, waddles over and gives him a pat on the shoulder with a turtle foot, while nodding understandingly*
Oooooooooooh someone say liquorice?

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I just meant, if you want to lose all hope in humanity, try parenting a teenager.
It doesn't matter if they're tech savvy if they lie about every g&#&@#n little f@*@ing thing.
Been there. I do understand. Completely. I had to screw a particular bedroom window shut at one point.

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captain yesterday wrote:Been there. I do understand. Completely. I had to screw a particular bedroom window shut at one point.I just meant, if you want to lose all hope in humanity, try parenting a teenager.
It doesn't matter if they're tech savvy if they lie about every g&#&@#n little f@*@ing thing.
Sounds like when my stepbrother came to live with us when we were in high school. The boy was... popular. My mom knocked on his door to wake him up for school one morning and heard giggling. She opened the door and there were two girls in his bed. After they had been escorted out through the window, she nailed it shut herself.
(His father's only response was, "Hot dayum boy, good job.")

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...and thanks to the direction of this page, I'm trying to think of terrible cowboy pickup lines.
"They call me lariat, cuz I can make a 'lass-oo'"
'Hey thar. Wanna rustle my Texas Longhorn?'
'I wear a ten-gallon hat to fit my ten-gallon head. Guess why I wear ten-gallon pants!'
'Everyone'll start calling you 'Coyote' after you've met me, cuz you'll be howlin' all night on the prairie'
'The Pony Express wants to ride up your dress, and the Pony Express never fails!'

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*Pokes head out of his shell*
*Drags Mort's blanket back to her basket, folds it and puts it in one end, also place an "Turtle-IOU", redeemable for some chocolates, a tin of liquorice or other assorted candies*
*Waddles past John house and puts a box of antihistamines on his door-mat*
*Walks past Cap landscaping, looks at him a bit worried, waddles over and gives him a pat on the shoulder with a turtle foot, while nodding understandingly*
*Promptly pads over to the Cover Turtle and redeems the IOU for dark chocolate (70% cocoa)*
Guess you know where my preferences lie =)
Oh and I was playing with a stray cat earlier ^^
I don't think I got all the cat cues properly though. Kept it conservative with scratching between ears and from head to butt. But hey! This is the first time a stray cat came to me!

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I really don't understand marketers, with their constant switching between "irrevocable Evil" and "irrevocable stupid".
So, Keana Climb Works is a great example of a "sensible" marketing department, which is most likely because I doubt they hired anyone with "marketing expertise". Instead, once a month I get a single e-mail saying, "Here's what's happened this month at the various Climb Works in our network, and here are the specials."
Then you get companies where the moment you register, they send you multiple daily e-mails filled with garbage. It just ticks me off, and makes me want to avoid them. Then I hit "unsubscribe" and they've created half a dozen different lists just to make sure they're legally allowed to keep e-mailing you after you've opted out, and the question is, "What the **** do you think you're doing?"
If I've opted out, and you continue to send me a daily e-mail because you've got another, technically legally different list, don't you have even the slightest inkling that that's going to tick me off and make me boycott your store?
I seriously had one company sending me 6 e-mails a day, so I dutifully unsubscribed from each individual list, then stopped doing business with the company.
I mean, seriously. I can even tolerate a once-a-week, "These are our specials of the week" e-mails, but the moment you feel the need to send me multiple e-mails a day, I'm done with you.

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Just a Mort wrote:That got pretty severe in there. I feel for you Mort.Gran and Vidmaster7 would probably say working at the front desk/customer service makes you lose faith in humanity.
I lost my faith in humanity when my players in my Strange Aeons game decided to Murderhobo NPCs because they did not want to help the party.
Woran - the extended rant was here
Thanks. No surprise I'm mostly retired from PBPs and PFS, eh?
But that experience hurt. And I'm still not really whole.
Because of that incident, I get down days where I feel the whole GM thing is underappreciated and generally players are a self entitled bunch.

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So, Keana Climb Works is a great example of a "sensible" marketing department...
I checked the website. ARRRGHHH ZIPLINE! Arrrghhh my paws are gonna be above the ground!!! Arrrghh we're all gonna die!
Sorry. Phobia of heights speaking. How the heck do you do that kind of thing without freaking out?

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I really don't understand marketers, with their constant switching between "irrevocable Evil" and "irrevocable stupid".
The word (portmanteau) you're looking for is malcompetence (malicious + incompetent). I find I'm using it in conversations almost daily now.
In related news, my extended family's usual July 4th cookout, family gathering, and drinking fest has been canceled this morning over U.S. politics. Whether we go full Hatfields & McCoys or not remains to be seen, but the day is young and the feud seems to be only getting hotter.
Sorry Fritzy for breaking the peace, I owe you a meatball.

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lisamarlene wrote:"For...uh...an anatomy test. Yeah."(Santa Claus later filled his stocking entirely full of rubbers after he got the clap.)
"I don't understand how that happened; I swear we weren't doing anything but studying, honest."
I'd say they were studying biology. The reproductive system to be exact.

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NobodysHome wrote:I really don't understand marketers, with their constant switching between "irrevocable Evil" and "irrevocable stupid".The word (portmanteau) you're looking for is malcompetence (malicious + incompetent). I find I'm using it in conversations almost daily now.
In related news, my extended family's usual July 4th cookout, family gathering, and drinking fest has been canceled this morning over U.S. politics. Whether we go full Hatfields & McCoys or not remains to be seen, but the day is young and the feud seems to be only getting hotter.
Sorry Fritzy for breaking the peace, I owe you a meatball.
During the Bush I/Quayle administration, we almost had to call the cops at a Fourth of July party after my cousin brought a Broccoli-and-Potatoe casserole.
(For those of you who are too young to remember, or not 'Murrican, Pres. Bush upset the farming lobby by publicly voicing his hatred of broccoli, and Vice President Quayle misspelled "potato" in front of a group of schoolchildren.)

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NH wrote:So, Keana Climb Works is a great example of a "sensible" marketing department...
I checked the website. ARRRGHHH ZIPLINE! Arrrghhh my paws are gonna be above the ground!!! Arrrghh we're all gonna die!
Sorry. Phobia of heights speaking. How the heck do you do that kind of thing without freaking out?
LOL. Yep. You really have to be trusting of your gear, because you're standing on a wooden platform 50-60' up and you just jump off of it. But seriously, after the first jump it was a BLAST!
Our last run of the day had us doing it upside-down! Now THAT was entertaining!

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Speaking of malcompetence, sometimes in spite of NobodysWife's awesome work environment (actual socializing, lunch provided 3x/week, company parties where the company actually provides food and drink (including alcohol) multiple times a year), sometimes her company is so stupid and abusive as to be alarming.
(1) Strict "no working from home" policy - Check! (And just don't get me started.)
(2) Strict "development cadence" policy with no adjustments for sick time or vacation - Check! (You must get ahead of the cadence in order to take time off.)
(3) Strict "no sick workers" policy where if you show up to work sick your manager sends you home.
So, since NobodysWife is at her likely-most-contagious today (second day of an illness), there is no way she should be going in to the office. But since she has to keep up with her cadence and she's not allowed to work from home, she has to go in.
At which point she's either going to infect the entire office (massively affecting productivity, instead of the tiny hit she would have taken working from home), or she's going to get sent home again, significantly reducing her productivity.
Most upper management needs to be beaten around the head and shoulders with a baseball bat.

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Cover Turtle wrote:Oooooooooooh someone say liquorice?*Pokes head out of his shell*
*Drags Mort's blanket back to her basket, folds it and puts it in one end, also place an "Turtle-IOU", redeemable for some chocolates, a tin of liquorice or other assorted candies*
*Waddles past John house and puts a box of antihistamines on his door-mat*
*Walks past Cap landscaping, looks at him a bit worried, waddles over and gives him a pat on the shoulder with a turtle foot, while nodding understandingly*
*Hangs head in shame*
Thought I still had some liquorice in the snack cupboard...
I'm afraid the best I can do right now is a bag of Tyrkisk peber
*Promptly pads over to the Cover Turtle and redeems the IOU for dark chocolate (70% cocoa)*
Guess you know where my preferences lie =)
Oh and I was playing with a stray cat earlier ^^
I don't think I got all the cat cues properly though. Kept it conservative with scratching between ears and from head to butt. But hey! This is the first time a stray cat came to me!
*Notes down "Good dark chocolate" for eventual kitty gift box*
Most cats, even semi-domesticated strays, will eventually give in to their curiosity, if you give them space, time and the occasional cat treat or kibble treat.
Feral strays are a bit of another story though (Good luck even getting within 50ft of one of those).
But you did right Mort, letting the kitty dictate the pace and location of the scratches.
*Gives Mort a scratching between her ears*
In related news, my extended family's usual July 4th cookout, family gathering, and drinking fest has been canceled this morning over U.S. politics. Whether we go full Hatfields & McCoys or not remains to be seen, but the day is young and the feud seems to be only getting hotter.
*Shakes Head knowingly*
Unfortunately it happens.
Even up here in Fairy-tale land politics rears its ugly head during family gettogethers, and coming form a family that covers quite a bit of the political spectrum things have, more then once, gotten tense and accusatory…
Hope you can sus things out peacefully Ambi, but if you feel you need to stand your ground, I get it...we all have our particular hills calling out our names.
*Pats Ambi on the shoulder*

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Ah, schadenfreude, how sweet you are!
Our application has a navigation menu, and then a subset of that menu shown as happy colorful icons on the home page, much like an iPhone (yes, of COURSE we ripped off every other megacorporation to build our UI. It's what's done when you truly lack innovation).
So, since all of my courses are aimed at administrators and developers, I do my utmost to convince my students that the home page is nice and all, but IT IS A SUBSET so as an admin you should always use the navigation menu.
Other curriculum developers wrote all their courses around the stupid happy home icons.
And yes, now we're getting high-priority bugs filtering in that "the application is broken" because people can't figure out how to navigate to an administrative page because it's not on the happy happy fun fun home page.
Yeah. Sending out "I told you so" e-mails is like an early birthday present...
I'm old and bitter and it shows.

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Nh, what is this cadence you speak of?
It's just like a manufacturing quota. She designs video game levels. So she's supposed to design something like 5 levels a day, exactly like the steelworker who's supposed to crank out 1000 rivets a day.
The difference is, if the steelworker misses a day, she's typically not expected to crank out 2000 rivets the next day. NobodysWife is, so she despises taking days off, whether for illness or vacation.
And speaking of illness, now *I* have whatever virulence Impus Minor is spreading, but for me it's extremely mild; no worse than a mild case of hay fever. So lots of fluid, lots of bed rest, and I see no reason I can't run Crimson Throne on Saturday...

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Vanykrye wrote:In my opinion, Disney is substantially different from many other theme parks (though Universal Studios and Islands of Adventure are becoming extremely similar in some regards) but that doesn’t make them particularly better or worse. The main difference is the extent to which the theming actually is followed through (in both unique and generic ways) plus the extensive size of the whole operation. There are sights and sounds that go far beyond what other theme parks are able to get away with (though, again, Universal Studios/Islands of Adventure seem close to the same), but wether or not that is worth the heat and crowds is going to be any individual’s call. If you love Disney stuff, you can’t get better. If you like Disney stuff, but enjoy other things, consider other alternatives. If you go in with a bad attitude, however, nothing is going to get you to change that. It’s just that people aren’t that easily swayed, if they don’t want to be, and if you’re going to be miserable, a theme park isn’t a magical “make you happy” pill. (Nothing wrong with this, by the by - I’m clarifying for the sake of explanation: if someone likes something or not is up to them, and that’s not wrong.)Orthos wrote:Ebon keeps swearing she is going to drag the gf and me to Disney some day. I am honestly not sure if I want to go.I wasn't impressed. From my experience, it wasn't any better or worse than any other major theme park.
We took the kidlet to Disney when he was seven. It was actually pretty fun. We didn’t like all of he parks but Epcot was awesome. The thing is that theme parks are not usually what you would call autism friendly. Taking an autistic kid with sensory processing issues to a theme park is dicey at the best of times. But Disney was different. There were quieter areas to retreat to when needed, calmer rides to go on, ways he could enjoy the experience without getting overwhelmed. Even on the bus ride over from the airport they were playing a quiet video on the bus telling kids what to expect. That made a huge difference. Especially at that age surprises were bad. Disney isn’t perfect and neither was that vacation, but credit where credit is due, there are some things they very much do right.

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Well, I'm in for some wailing and gnashing of teeth this coming year. To try and motivate my kids to put forth that extra effort on their projects, I'm going to implement a one-point rubric (i.e., the only criteria written on the thing are what will get you a C. I might be generous enough to make it C-low B. You have to exceed the bare minimum to get an A).
A lot of kids come in with the mindset of "doing the bare minimum = A+ work." That won't fly with this grading scale.

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Something that goes above and beyond the bare minimum.
Example off my last year's rubric:
Meets expectations: Basic essay structure employed to address central idea - includes appropriate introduction, unified body paragraphs, functional conclusion
Exceeds expectations: Sharply focused introduction of central idea, body with appropriate paragraphing, strong conclusion. Smooth flow of discussion.
So if they churned out a 5-paragraph essay with something I could identify as a conclusion and introduction, they got a 3/4 for that category. If it flowed fluidly and neatly connected one section to the next, it got a 4/4. Basically the difference between "you did what I asked" and "you did what I asked really well and should be commended" or "you did more than what I asked."

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Thing is, I don't by default consider C's to be sub-par. On a 4-point rubric, 75% means you are performing at grade level - you have met expectations. No more, no less.
My issue comes in when I have children who turn in something that only earns that 3 out of 4...and then get upset that they didn't get 100%. Of course you didn't. You didn't exceed expectations. Exceptional scores are reserved for exceptional effort. Take that extra five minutes to proofread for errors. Make sure you explain your evidence instead of just plopping it in and grinding your argument to a standstill. Demonstrate through your work that you do care enough to push yourself just that little bit extra.

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It really bothers me that we as a culture have come to just accept mediocrity. I can tie a lot of it to a growing reliance on instant gratification - there simply seems to be an overall lack of ability to accept a later and better product at the cost of getting something inferior now. There's also the "somebody else's problem" effect. We all know someone will care enough to do the thing properly, so why should everyone do so? But when more and more people buy into that, we get a tragedy of the commons.

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I don't need all of my kids to be straight-A students. I just want them to start taking pride in their work - not even for love of the assignment or subject, but just because encouragement to take pride in oneself as a matter of habit is really the only defense we have against what appears to be an ongoing zeitgeist of sloth rewarded.
Hell, I don't care if they leave my class and never write another essay again so long as they're willing to put their all into whatever does become their career/passion project.

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I know I've previously told the story of my administration that was so adamant about preventing grade inflation and student excellence that:
(1) Instructors were mandated to give 2.0 averages to all classes, and
(2) Any students who received below a 2.0 average for 2 semesters in a row would flunk out of school.
Leading to losing half your student population every year.
You have to love it when clueless people set contradictory policies, thinking they're doing something "smart".

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Interesting. I guess it comes down to who your teachers are as individuals. I have had teachers who wanted nothing more and nothing less than what they stated- you go out of those parameters, you are going to lose points. Doesn't matter if the product is better, you failed to do what you were told to do when you were told to do it. Had several teachers like that, including one who made a student cry because she had the audacity to include artwork in a paper(she was something of a hippie kid, the teacher said something about this not being an art class and tore up the paper in front of the class). Then I have also had teachers like you, who stated that a work has to go above and beyond the norm. In college, I had one professor for whom that meant young girls in ribbed sweaters in winter sitting in the front and flirting. I should have put in a complaint about that guy. But most just wanted something....more. Sometimes they could elucidate that, other times they could not.
I still wonder what would have happened to the hippie kid if she had one of those teachers for history, and not Mr. Whatshisface.

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It really bothers me that we as a culture have come to just accept mediocrity. I can tie a lot of it to a growing reliance on instant gratification - there simply seems to be an overall lack of ability to accept a later and better product at the cost of getting something inferior now. There's also the "somebody else's problem" effect. We all know someone will care enough to do the thing properly, so why should everyone do so? But when more and more people buy into that, we get a tragedy of the commons.
Did somebody call my name? I'd love to stick around and reply, but I've got problems to solve!