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*Le sigh*

I'm *sure* this is political, but yet again trying to get a Linux distribution that's anything remotely akin to reasonable proves why it's so unpopular.

  • The two "big" flavors are the "user friendly" Ubuntu and the "neckbeard's paradise" Debian. Trouble is, Ubuntu has become so commercial and installs so much crapware that it's become, "Linux that's as bad as Windows, but where half your stuff won't run!"
    Debian just had a huge schism in its dev team, and is, "You wanted a driver for hardware produced in 2017? Good luck with that!"
    So neither of them work for me
  • Valve produced SteamOS, an operating system dedicated to running Steam games. Except its partitioning software is garbage and once you finally manage to get everything working you learn that it cannot handle multiple drives. Seriously? You're producing something you call an "operating system" that cannot store my Steam games on more than one drive? Into the garbage you go!
  • Apparently there's another "gaming" version of Linux called Sparky, but at a certain point you realize that the amount of time you're going to lose just trying and installing all these different flavors in the remote hopes of getting one that'll recognize your video card and run Wine decently just isn't worth it. (Linux is already, "Oh, you wanted xxx? Go ahead and Google how to install it. Now spend 10-30 minutes installing it, testing it, Googling the issue, reconfiguring it, and getting it working. Now hope no updates break it."
    Linux that's not even up to that standard isn't worth installing.)

  • So yeah, after several flavors of Linux failed me utterly, I went ahead and ordered Windows 7 for my desktop.

    And it's not like I'm a picky man. Give me:
    (1) Driver support for my motherboard and video card
    (2) A simple package installer
    and I'm happy.

    The fact that there's not a single flavor of Linux out there that can manage even that explains why Linux is still the ugly stepchild in the OS wars.

    EDIT: And like all great Linux wannabes, when I set up OSes, I set them up nekkid!


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    NobodysHome wrote:
    EDIT: And like all great Linux wannabes, when I set up OSes, I set them up nekkid!

    Others just ph34r y0ur l33t nekkid skillz!!!

    (I mean, you are only taking measures to prevent static discharge...)

    Safe for work


    Also: Huh; I'd wondered what had happened to him. Neat.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    *Le sigh*

    I'm *sure* this is political, but yet again trying to get a Linux distribution that's anything remotely akin to reasonable proves why it's so unpopular.

  • The two "big" flavors are the "user friendly" Ubuntu and the "neckbeard's paradise" Debian. Trouble is, Ubuntu has become so commercial and installs so much crapware that it's become, "Linux that's as bad as Windows, but where half your stuff won't run!"
    Debian just had a huge schism in its dev team, and is, "You wanted a driver for hardware produced in 2017? Good luck with that!"
    So neither of them work for me
  • Valve produced SteamOS, an operating system dedicated to running Steam games. Except its partitioning software is garbage and once you finally manage to get everything working you learn that it cannot handle multiple drives. Seriously? You're producing something you call an "operating system" that cannot store my Steam games on more than one drive? Into the garbage you go!
  • Apparently there's another "gaming" version of Linux called Sparky, but at a certain point you realize that the amount of time you're going to lose just trying and installing all these different flavors in the remote hopes of getting one that'll recognize your video card and run Wine decently just isn't worth it. (Linux is already, "Oh, you wanted xxx? Go ahead and Google how to install it. Now spend 10-30 minutes installing it, testing it, Googling the issue, reconfiguring it, and getting it working. Now hope no updates break it."
    Linux that's not even up to that standard isn't worth installing.)

  • So yeah, after several flavors of Linux failed me utterly, I went ahead and ordered Windows 7 for my desktop.

    And it's not like I'm a picky man. Give me:
    (1) Driver support for my motherboard and video card
    (2) A simple package installer
    and I'm happy.

    The fact that there's not a single flavor of Linux out there that can manage even that explains why Linux is still the ugly stepchild in the OS wars.

    EDIT: And like all...

    Drejk's experience with Linux:

    - get a CD from a friend. Install the Linux just because you can. Look at it for a few moments. Decide that you have no idea what to do without graphic UI. Uninstall. Install windows.

    Drejk's second experience with Linux:

    - download read-to-use Ubuntu (12.4, I think?) and burn it on DVD.
    - after computer failure, use the self-bootable DVD to be able to run Chome
    - try to install the very same Ubuntu on the very same computer it was running on
    - cuss as the system won't start at all
    - use it from the self-bootable DVD again
    - install Windows 8 public release


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    *Le sigh*

    [...]yet again trying to get a Linux distribution that's anything remotely akin to reasonable proves why it's so unpopular.

    I have barely touched Linux precisely because it's such a pain to get it working right.

    Of the Microsoft offerings, from a User Perspective, I prefer Win 10. From an IT perspective, I still kinda prefer Win 7, but Win 10 has some features that do simply work better than they do in Win 7.


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    I had a couple of nice Linux boxes running Kubuntu for a while, but as Ubuntu has evolved (and Kubuntu died a quiet death) I had to switch over to Windows so the kids could get all their games running.

    And the sad fact is, it's gotten worse. Linux in 2018 is harder to make work than Linux in 2008.

    Not good.


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    What its like inside Freehold's head:

    Nobodyshome: I'm gonna get political!

    FHDM: Excellent. Prepare the flaming bikes. Make tonight's abscondi-cave desert baked alaska.

    Nobodyshome: Starfox (SNES) type babble

    FHDM: None of this is political. Oh man, hes really going on and on. Put out the flaming bikes. Abscondi-cave dessert is just regular ice cream.

    Nobodyshome: And furthermore... blah blah blah

    FHDM: That...sounds fascinating...


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    All I heard was "political"

    Fires bikes off randomly.

    The Exchange

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    Seriously, that's what they call it here

    Here too


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    I liked Linus, he was alright.


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    At it's heart, it's just an edition war.


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    Mort, we believe you, and we understand. It's just in English, "wanton" is a different word with an entirely different meaning. Wanton = unprovoked random acts (usually of cruelty or destruction) OR it means a promiscuous woman. Which is really the same thing...OW OW OW STOP HITTING ME PLEASE IT WAS A HARMLESS JOKE OW OW!!!!


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    captain yesterday wrote:
    I liked Linus, he was alright.

    His obscenity-laden tirades directed at incompetent devs (most of 'em) are priceless!


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    I think he's talking about Linus van Pelt from Charley Brown.


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    Presumably, the Linux Kernel is developed by Kernel.org. Each distribution adds their own packages according to their own vision (or lack thereof) of what Linux should be. To put it another way, it's like using the same engine in half of a dozen junk cars.


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    Say what you want about Microsoft, Windows is Windows. There are no alternate distributions.


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    Vanykrye wrote:
    Mort, we believe you, and we understand. It's just in English, "wanton" is a different word with an entirely different meaning. Wanton = unprovoked random acts (usually of cruelty or destruction) OR it means a promiscuous woman. Which is really the same thing...OW OW OW STOP HITTING ME PLEASE IT WAS A HARMLESS JOKE OW OW!!!!

    Yep, this exactly. Quirks of English stealing vocab from other places! :D

    Imagine wonton acts of destruction, though. Do we fill the catapult with them or just cook them beyond edibility?


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    Scintillae wrote:
    Vanykrye wrote:
    Mort, we believe you, and we understand. It's just in English, "wanton" is a different word with an entirely different meaning. Wanton = unprovoked random acts (usually of cruelty or destruction) OR it means a promiscuous woman. Which is really the same thing...OW OW OW STOP HITTING ME PLEASE IT WAS A HARMLESS JOKE OW OW!!!!

    Yep, this exactly. Quirks of English stealing vocab from other places! :D

    Imagine wonton acts of destruction, though. Do we fill the catapult with them or just cook them beyond edibility?

    I believe it's both. Cook them beyond edibility and get rid of them with the catapult. Whatever they hit, well, whatever.


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    I haven't looked up the history of "wanton", so I'm still struggling to figure out on my own how it ended up with both "random/unprovoked acts" and "promiscuous woman". These things, despite my obviously bad humor from above, are not in any way related...unless they started equating a promiscuous woman with "homewrecker" that indiscriminately destroys families throughout the village...like a tornado that only hits every 3rd or 4th house. It's the best I've got without straining myself to pull up Google.


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    So, that's probably two job interviews tomorrow.

    It's nice being appreciated in a field of work.

    This one is in my specialty of hardscapes, and with the company one of my best friends works for.


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    captain yesterday wrote:

    So, that's probably two job interviews tomorrow.

    It's nice being appreciated in a field of work.

    This one is in my specialty of hardscapes, and with the company one of my best friends works for.

    i will gladly be a reference for you.


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    John Napier 698 wrote:
    Say what you want about Microsoft, Windows is Windows. There are no alternate distributions.

    Er, Windows 95, 98, NT, ME, XP, 7, 8, and 10, all with various quirks and irritations. Comparing Ubuntu to Windows 8 and Debian to Windows XP is not unjust; they work in very similar ways, but different enough it's a learning curve to move from one to another. And I'll point out that I just purchased Windows 7 even though Windows 8 and Windows 10 are out, so it's not like Microsoft makes its OSes "serially available" where you can only buy one.

    The huge advantage of Linux, and the reason devotees love it, is how easy it is to configure the operating system. For newer systems, "I want to run a totally-unsecured Samba share" is perfectly do-able, whereas Windows or MacOS would stop you and just plain old not allow it. For older systems, "Stop running all this junk I never use" is a HUGE win. I take old Windows machines that take 10 minutes to boot and can barely hack through a word processor, put a slimmed-down Linux on them, and they run as fast as brand-new Windows machines... as long as you're not trying to run games on them.

    So Linux has its place for sure.

    A gaming desktop is definitely NOT that place.

    EDIT:

    Tech stuff spoilered just for Freehold:
    The AppData folder is my favorite gripe: For "modern" gaming desktops, you tend to boot off a "low-cost" 256 or 512 GB SSD, then use a RAID for large-scale storage. Trouble is:
    (1) Windows MUST boot off the C: drive, AND requires AppData to be on the C: drive, so you're going to have AppData on your SSD
    (2) Companies like Blizzard and Riot use AppData for mass storage, taking tens of gigabytes EACH; not to mention Spotify. Impus Major's desktop is in major trouble not because he's out of disk space, but because he's out of disk space on his C: drive because too many of his games use AppData for their storage, and Microsoft won't let him move that folder.

    So Windows put a limitation of, "All this has to go on your C: drive, AND you have to boot off your C: drive", and it's been a thorn in the side of configurators since Windows 95.

    Linux just doesn't have those issues. Anything can go on any drive you want, with very little configuration.


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    Vanykrye wrote:
    I haven't looked up the history of "wanton", so I'm still struggling to figure out on my own how it ended up with both "random/unprovoked acts" and "promiscuous woman". These things, despite my obviously bad humor from above, are not in any way related...unless they started equating a promiscuous woman with "homewrecker" that indiscriminately destroys families throughout the village...like a tornado that only hits every 3rd or 4th house. It's the best I've got without straining myself to pull up Google.
    Dictionary.com wrote:

    Word Origin and History for wanton

    adj.
    c.1300, wan-towen, "resistant to control; willful," from Middle English privative prefix wan- "wanting, lacking" (from Old English wan "wanting;" see wane ) + togen, past participle of teon "to train, discipline;" literally "to pull, draw," from Proto-Germanic *teuhan (cf. Old High German ziohan "to pull;" see tug ). The basic notion perhaps is "ill-bred, poorly brought up;" cf. German ungezogen "ill-bred, rude, haughty," literally "unpulled."

    As Flies to wanton Boyes are we to th' Gods, They kill vs for their sport. [Shakespeare, "Lear," 1605]
    Especially of sexual indulgence from late 14c. The only English survival of a once-common Germanic negating prefix still active in Dutch (cf. wanbestuur "misgovernment," wanluid "discordant sound"), German ( wahn-), etc. Related: Wantonly ; wantonness.
    n.
    "one who is ill-behaved," especially (but not originally) "lascivious, lewd person," c.1400, from wanton (adj.).

    So...1400s on, it took on the lewd connotation, and historically, these kinds of slurs tend to stick more strongly to women...that's my conjecture, but I think there's logic to it.


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    I have tried using Linux before, but the install kept hanging. It could be that I got a bad distro. The attempt left a sour taste in my mouth. What would be your personal recommendation for a laptop?


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    Ahhh finally a nice little eastern break/vacation.

    Drejk wrote:
    Kjeldorn wrote:
    I must say though that really feel I have the time + commitment + patience for MMO's these days, though I still peek in on one (I've played LOTR online, Eve, SWTOR, WOW, ESO and a smattering of other so there enough to chose from ^^') once in a while.
    Laurelin? Evernight? Landroval?

    Lastly played LOTR 4 to 5 years ago ^^'

    So I'll have to come back to you with that after some digging...maybe something beginning with N? (memory? what named so?).

    lynora wrote:

    Tomorrow we head off to the waterpark for a couple of days. The kidlet is really looking forward to it. So of course my husband is still sick with a terrible cough and I am having really bad pain. This is going to be awesome! </sarcasm>

    *Offers a electric heating blanket + tea + cookies to Lyn and spicy chicken soup + rum toddy to husband*


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    John Napier 698 wrote:
    I have tried using Linux before, but the install kept hanging. It could be that I got a bad distro. The attempt left a sour taste in my mouth. What would be your personal recommendation for a laptop?

    For a laptop, you absolutely, positively want Windows. The Linux distros don't do laptops well, typically lagging 3-4 years behind the release of the laptop.

    If it's a relatively new laptop and you just want to wipe it to get a "flavor" of Linux, definitely go with Ubuntu. It's the most robust, but that means it's also the most bloated. But you'll at least get accustomed to the UI, package installation, and intimately familiar with the command line. Once you've gotten accustomed to Ubuntu, you can decide whether you'd like to try to slim down to something that'll actually outperform Windows for most tasks (Debian), or whether you're happy with, "Different but just as bloated" (Ubuntu).

    If I'm misinterpreting your question and you want to know a brand of laptop I'd recommend, I can only recommend the ones to stay away from:
    Lenovo: Cheaply-built, they never last more than 2-3 years, and they're still ridiculously expensive for their poor performance.

    MSI: As I mentioned, they run hot. NobodysWife's MSI had its case crack open in under 3 years, most likely due to heat stress, and she looked it up and found out it's a relatively common problem. MSI's response was, "Yeah, if you pay us $70 we'll deign to look at it to tell you whether or not we'll repair it." MSI support is insultingly bad.

    I'm on the fence on HP: We payed a TON of money for an HP "workhorse" that just didn't have much oomph in terms of pretty much anything we tried (gaming or Photoshop or anything processor-or-graphic-intensive), but the thing's solid as a rock and (as far as I know) still doing fine by lisamarlene. So in terms of quality of construction, it was at least good. But in terms of performance for the price, it was down at Lenovo levels.

    The old Dell laptops were magnificent beasts, but that was 15 years ago before quality control went out the window. They SAY they're working back up, but I have no idea how much to trust them.

    Pretty much in short: I don't do laptops, I build desktops. And every single laptop we've purchased in the last 10 years has been a massive disappointment. The last laptops I bought and loved were my iBook blueberry in 1999 and my mother's Dell Inspiron in 2003. Not exactly good "recent" recommendations.

    I think it says everything that for Impus Minor's birthday last year, we built him a desktop to replace his laptop and he's been ecstatic. For Christmas we gave Impus Major an MSI laptop and NobodysWife a desktop, and she loves her desktop waaaaaay more than she liked her MSI, and he has yet to find anything positive to say about the laptop. And the entire group was sick and tired of watching me struggle with my Mac Mini, so a good chunk of our tax refund just went to the "build NobodysHome a decent computer that'll play modern games" fund, and I built another desktop. Our neighbors asked for a recommendation, and I built their daughter a desktop.

    That's 4 desktops and a laptop in the last year or so, and every single desktop user (except me) is ecstatic, and every single laptop user is apathetic.

    For me, I just have no idea what I'm going to do with FPS rates that high. I refuse to shell out for a new monitor.


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    Thanks for the info, NH. I'll stick with Windows for now, until I absolutely need Linux.


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    Kjeldorn wrote:

    Ahhh finally a nice little eastern break/vacation.

    Drejk wrote:
    Kjeldorn wrote:
    I must say though that really feel I have the time + commitment + patience for MMO's these days, though I still peek in on one (I've played LOTR online, Eve, SWTOR, WOW, ESO and a smattering of other so there enough to chose from ^^') once in a while.
    Laurelin? Evernight? Landroval?

    Lastly played LOTR 4 to 5 years ago ^^'

    So I'll have to come back to you with that after some digging...maybe something beginning with N? (memory? what named so?).

    There was a big server merge a few years ago that cut down the number of servers and involved moving characters to the remaining servers. I don't know if they still keep backups of old characters from obsolete servers... There might have been a time limit to move them (free of charge) from the closed servers.


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    Personally, I'm rarely impressed with the physical build quality of any major manufacturer. Unless they made the thing out of titanium. Which they won't without charging a minimum of $5000.

    Lenovo does make a good business laptop with the Thinkpad line (which used to be the IBM Thinkpad so long ago). Yes, they're still pricey for what they are (T470s with an i7 6600 processor, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 14.1" will run $1000-1200 depending on the store and other add-ons), but individual people don't tend to buy these, businesses do, so Lenovo can get away with the price gouge. They do NOT make a good laptop for gaming purposes.

    Asus does some decent laptops. HP is hit and miss in my experience. I won't touch Dell any more (yes, they were good 15+ years ago), but Alienware (owned by Dell) seems to refuse to be Dell'ed down, but that's provided you don't mind your laptop looking like it came from someone's demented cyber dreams and cycling through strange glowing colors.


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    We have a Mac specifically so I don't have to learn any of that.


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    Vanykrye wrote:

    Personally, I'm rarely impressed with the physical build quality of any major manufacturer. Unless they made the thing out of titanium. Which they won't without charging a minimum of $5000.

    Lenovo does make a good business laptop with the Thinkpad line (which used to be the IBM Thinkpad so long ago). Yes, they're still pricey for what they are (T470s with an i7 6600 processor, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 14.1" will run $1000-1200 depending on the store and other add-ons), but individual people don't tend to buy these, businesses do, so Lenovo can get away with the price gouge. They do NOT make a good laptop for gaming purposes.

    Asus does some decent laptops. HP is hit and miss in my experience. I won't touch Dell any more (yes, they were good 15+ years ago), but Alienware (owned by Dell) seems to refuse to be Dell'ed down, but that's provided you don't mind your laptop looking like it came from someone's demented cyber dreams and cycling through strange glowing colors.

    Alienware is also stupid-expensive.

    All that hardware I listed on the previous page? I have a cutting-edge, 8th-gen machine with 8.5 TB of hard drive space and 16 GB of RAM for roughly $1600. (Yeah, I'm one generation behind on the video card, but $450 to go from 1500 FPS to 2000 FPS is not a reasonable purchase when you're running your monitor at 75 Hz.)

    I think $1600'll get you an AlienWare sticker...

    I, too, have heard positive things about Asus. Not as in, "Wow!", but as in, "I am not disappointed in my purchase."

    EDIT: OK, I went to Amazon and poked about. Alienware's laptop prices aren't cheap, but they aren't as ridiculous as the $3000+ boxes I saw when they first came out. But still, a laptop that's a full generation behind my desktop is $1800, and the one that's "close but no cigar" is $2700.

    I'll take the desktop, thanks.

    But yeah, carrying around the desktop and the monitor to and from work would probably draw funny looks... if it didn't involve just hitting a KVM switch...


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    *Le sigh*

    I'm *sure* this is political, but yet again trying to get a Linux distribution that's anything remotely akin to reasonable proves why it's so unpopular.

  • The two "big" flavors are the "user friendly" Ubuntu and the "neckbeard's paradise" Debian. Trouble is, Ubuntu has become so commercial and installs so much crapware that it's become, "Linux that's as bad as Windows, but where half your stuff won't run!"
    Debian just had a huge schism in its dev team, and is, "You wanted a driver for hardware produced in 2017? Good luck with that!"
    So neither of them work for me
  • Valve produced SteamOS, an operating system dedicated to running Steam games. Except its partitioning software is garbage and once you finally manage to get everything working you learn that it cannot handle multiple drives. Seriously? You're producing something you call an "operating system" that cannot store my Steam games on more than one drive? Into the garbage you go!
  • Apparently there's another "gaming" version of Linux called Sparky, but at a certain point you realize that the amount of time you're going to lose just trying and installing all these different flavors in the remote hopes of getting one that'll recognize your video card and run Wine decently just isn't worth it. (Linux is already, "Oh, you wanted xxx? Go ahead and Google how to install it. Now spend 10-30 minutes installing it, testing it, Googling the issue, reconfiguring it, and getting it working. Now hope no updates break it."
    Linux that's not even up to that standard isn't worth installing.)

  • So yeah, after several flavors of Linux failed me utterly, I went ahead and ordered Windows 7 for my desktop.

    And it's not like I'm a picky man. Give me:
    (1) Driver support for my motherboard and video card
    (2) A simple package installer
    and I'm happy.

    The fact that there's not a single flavor of Linux out there that can manage even that explains why Linux is still the ugly stepchild in the OS wars.

    EDIT: And like all...

    This is why most Linux devotees either dual-box Windows or have a devoted Windows computer for gaming.

    Plus, Windows tends to be more idiot-friendly...


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    Scintillae wrote:
    Vanykrye wrote:
    Mort, we believe you, and we understand. It's just in English, "wanton" is a different word with an entirely different meaning. Wanton = unprovoked random acts (usually of cruelty or destruction) OR it means a promiscuous woman. Which is really the same thing...OW OW OW STOP HITTING ME PLEASE IT WAS A HARMLESS JOKE OW OW!!!!

    Yep, this exactly. Quirks of English stealing vocab from other places! :D

    Imagine wonton acts of destruction, though. Do we fill the catapult with them or just cook them beyond edibility?

    Fill the catapult with a cooking pot full of them and launch it mid-simmer.


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    Scintillae wrote:
    Vanykrye wrote:
    I haven't looked up the history of "wanton", so I'm still struggling to figure out on my own how it ended up with both "random/unprovoked acts" and "promiscuous woman". These things, despite my obviously bad humor from above, are not in any way related...unless they started equating a promiscuous woman with "homewrecker" that indiscriminately destroys families throughout the village...like a tornado that only hits every 3rd or 4th house. It's the best I've got without straining myself to pull up Google.
    Dictionary.com wrote:

    Word Origin and History for wanton

    adj.
    c.1300, wan-towen, "resistant to control; willful," from Middle English privative prefix wan- "wanting, lacking" (from Old English wan "wanting;" see wane ) + togen, past participle of teon "to train, discipline;" literally "to pull, draw," from Proto-Germanic *teuhan (cf. Old High German ziohan "to pull;" see tug ). The basic notion perhaps is "ill-bred, poorly brought up;" cf. German ungezogen "ill-bred, rude, haughty," literally "unpulled."

    As Flies to wanton Boyes are we to th' Gods, They kill vs for their sport. [Shakespeare, "Lear," 1605]
    Especially of sexual indulgence from late 14c. The only English survival of a once-common Germanic negating prefix still active in Dutch (cf. wanbestuur "misgovernment," wanluid "discordant sound"), German ( wahn-), etc. Related: Wantonly ; wantonness.
    n.
    "one who is ill-behaved," especially (but not originally) "lascivious, lewd person," c.1400, from wanton (adj.).

    So...1400s on, it took on the lewd connotation, and historically, these kinds of slurs tend to stick more strongly to women...that's my conjecture, but I think there's logic to it.

    Kinda. From the etymology, it looks like the lewd meaning was first attached to poor people. And then, as morality shifted, it became limited to poor women and eventually just women in general.


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    Kjeldorn wrote:

    Ahhh finally a nice little eastern break/vacation.

    *Shakes fist at his phone*

    Stupid autocorrect! now people think I'll be vististing the orient!

    NobodysHome wrote:


    I, too, have heard positive things about Asus. Not as in, "Wow!", but as in, "I am not disappointed in my purchase."

    My brother swears by them. His last one (around 5 years old now) have taken a ridiculous amount of abuse*, with only the battery + power adaptor needing actual replacement.

    Why did he get a new one? Well the hardware is showing its age so he handed it off to me.

    * As in not actual abuse, just plain old usage for gaming, video-calls and that sort of stuff, during two deployment to Afghanistan, so its pretty well traveled too.


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    NobodysHome wrote:
    Vanykrye wrote:

    Personally, I'm rarely impressed with the physical build quality of any major manufacturer. Unless they made the thing out of titanium. Which they won't without charging a minimum of $5000.

    Lenovo does make a good business laptop with the Thinkpad line (which used to be the IBM Thinkpad so long ago). Yes, they're still pricey for what they are (T470s with an i7 6600 processor, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 14.1" will run $1000-1200 depending on the store and other add-ons), but individual people don't tend to buy these, businesses do, so Lenovo can get away with the price gouge. They do NOT make a good laptop for gaming purposes.

    Asus does some decent laptops. HP is hit and miss in my experience. I won't touch Dell any more (yes, they were good 15+ years ago), but Alienware (owned by Dell) seems to refuse to be Dell'ed down, but that's provided you don't mind your laptop looking like it came from someone's demented cyber dreams and cycling through strange glowing colors.

    Alienware is also stupid-expensive.

    All that hardware I listed on the previous page? I have a cutting-edge, 8th-gen machine with 8.5 TB of hard drive space and 16 GB of RAM for roughly $1600. (Yeah, I'm one generation behind on the video card, but $450 to go from 1500 FPS to 2000 FPS is not a reasonable purchase when you're running your monitor at 75 Hz.)

    I think $1600'll get you an AlienWare sticker...

    I, too, have heard positive things about Asus. Not as in, "Wow!", but as in, "I am not disappointed in my purchase."

    EDIT: OK, I went to Amazon and poked about. Alienware's laptop prices aren't cheap, but they aren't as ridiculous as the $3000+ boxes I saw when they first came out. But still, a laptop that's a full generation behind my desktop is $1800, and the one that's "close but no cigar" is $2700.

    I'll take the desktop, thanks.

    But yeah, carrying around the desktop and the monitor to and from work would probably draw funny looks... if it didn't involve just hitting a KVM switch...

    From what I've heard, Alienware has also gone downhill in quality by a lot.


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    In totally other, "Getting more and more full proud of myself" moments...
    ...As I've mentioned, I'm keeping a personal journal for my CG gnome rogue as we go through Shiro's campaign.

    At first, I thought only NobodysWife and Shiro were reading it because I know they like my writing style. So, happy NobodysHome.
    Then Impus Minor read a bit, and asked me to start sending it to him. Ditto Hi. Lara Croft Guy quoted it in the last game, so now I know he's reading it.

    And Impus Major just read the description of breakfast and "subscribed" as well.

    And one of these years I'll be allowed to post it on Paizo! :-P


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    Freehold DM wrote:

    What its like inside Freehold's head:

    Nobodyshome: I'm gonna get political!

    FHDM: Excellent. Prepare the flaming bikes. Make tonight's abscondi-cave desert baked alaska.

    Nobodyshome: Starfox (SNES) type babble

    FHDM: None of this is political. Oh man, hes really going on and on. Put out the flaming bikes. Abscondi-cave dessert is just regular ice cream.

    Nobodyshome: And furthermore... blah blah blah

    FHDM: That...sounds fascinating...

    I blame you.

    It went Simpsons Vid > Interesting Nightcore Song > Listening to Nightcore metal version of Hello Kitty.


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    Terrinam wrote:

    This is why most Linux devotees either dual-box Windows or have a devoted Windows computer for gaming.

    Plus, Windows tends to be more idiot-friendly...

    Yeah, well, back when I had time, I really liked having a Linux machine for a media/file server and other "server room" stuff. Now that I have no time, if I'm going to shell out for "fire and forget because everything'll work except when Microsoft screws up again and it doesn't", I might as well just bite the bullet and use it.

    I think I posted it before:
    Microsoft: Tries to do everything for you, usually does it wrong, but makes it relatively easy to figure out how to fix it.

    Apple: Tries to do everything for you, usually does it right, but makes it almost impossible to figure out how to fix it.

    Linux: Does nothing for you, takes hours of Google searches and debugging to get anything working, but will do anything you want and run beautifully once you've put in the 20-30 hours to get it working. And then the 4-5 hours per application you want to install...


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    captain yesterday wrote:
    We have a Mac specifically so I don't have to learn any of that.

    Same here. My first computer back in the early 00s was a brand new Windows desktop. After that I got a hand-me-down iMac, and it's been iMacs and MacBooks for me ever since. Having to install things on any computers at work makes me want to smash something.

    I just want a computer that works, without requiring a minor degree in comp sci or equivalent work experience.


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    My parents have had a Mac since the 80s.


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    captain yesterday wrote:
    My parents have had a Mac since the 80s.

    Well, if we're playing *that* game; there's been an Apple computer of one sort or another in my house since my father brought home our first Apple II+ in 1978...

    (I still do everything on my Mac Mini, because it's just better...)

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    I've always been using windows. Some windows are better then others. Like I didn't like windows 8. I also don't have enough tech savvy since I am luddite to use anything else.

    And it's sunny today! Let's hope it remains sunny through Hi's trip.

    It rained for the last 2 days. And when it rains... Fluffy critters have gone to hide and you can't see them. And the treetop walk is closed, and the forest trail could turn mucky.

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    I showed my BF the unspeakable vaults. He was LoLing all the way and might be growing tentacles soon.

    I told him, at first I didn't understand the jokes, but once I read more, I do.

    He went Oh Noes!

    Because we all know what happens when you learn too much about eldritch abominations.


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    Scarwall might kill the Rainbow before they even get inside...


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    I still have my old Atari 130 XE on shelf. Bought around 1987... No idea if it is working. I don't have a suitable tv set to connect and check.


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    Just a Mort wrote:
    Because we all know what happens when you learn too much about eldritch abominations.

    They get you on their mailing list and constantly hit you up for donations to their charity?


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    I have my original Fisher-Price caveman.

    The Exchange

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    But slaads are cute, aren't they?

    *scratches little slaad on its head*


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    Just a Mort wrote:

    But slaads are cute, aren't they?

    *scratches little slaad on its head*

    *Looks at slaad, with a slight look of disgust*

    Cute? That Frog-Reptile-Demon-Thing?!

    Pfff! Where's the spirit in the little guy...err...girl...whatever?? I mean there no tentacles!, no extraneous eyes, mouths or limbs! No spine chilling cuu-ing made by a throat, that was never suppose to make any sounds at all!

    *Pushes slaad away with a booted foot, like he's pushing a fresh pile of manure out of the way*

    Now this little guy/girl/thing/whatever is a real cutie!

    *Places "baby" qlippoth on the ground, while scratching it behind the...errr...limb/mouth/tentacle/whatever.

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