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Walking works too, just saying.


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Walk To Enlightenment, Not Run
If You Have To Run For It
It Is Not The True Enlightenment
True Enlightenment Is Eternal And Won't Flee

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Walking takes very long and it has to be uphill. Man I kinda miss the soya bean curd in Sungai Lembing. And their frogs.


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NobodysHome wrote:

And the world continues to howl in anguish

Okay, "Jar of Hearts" isn't very good to begin with, so it's not like this is that much worse. Didn't exactly have far to fall.


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Here. Much worse.


Childs wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Maybe the time has come for Freehold! after all...

Oh Hell no. {starts furiously shoveling snow back onto Freehold} Look, more snow, you like snow and ice, right? Go back to sleep, back to sleep...

Where the hell is MacReady with that flamethrower?!

A wild slaad and an icy appeared?!

I'm so happy, I don't even care that I'm mixing references or only know what one is!!

And this with an Ivan hanging around! Who owns his own house!

SO HYPE


NobodysHome wrote:
And the world continues to howl in anguish
Scintillae wrote:
Okay, "Jar of Hearts" isn't very good to begin with, so it's not like this is that much worse. Didn't exactly have far to fall.

I... actually like this one.

>.>

(Of course, I also like the original, so.)

Scintillae wrote:
Here. Much worse.

EDIT: At first I rather foolishly didn't realize that they'd gone with the official censored version - I didn't notice that it was censored at all. It's actually not bad, considering they're just following the actual author's own work, in that regard. And, frankly, the style fits KidzBop, far more than, say, Evanescence or Christina Perri (even if I love those two*).

* Well, I used to love Evanescence. I... haven't really heard anything new by them in a while, and have had a strange aversion to doing so, ever since <religious redaction> in public, so.


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NobodysHome wrote:

OK. I gotta admit, I wasn't surprised, but I was disappointed, when I Googled "Kidz Bop I Touch Myself" and nothing came up...

... the relief is real.


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I cleaned up my "office" (or pantry, if you prefer).

For once, I was responsible for at least 30% of the mess, so progress!

Of course, that's only opened up the house cleaning floodgates, but I still have other s#@+ to do, like get Tiny T-Rex to school and walk the dogs.


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Blogpost regarding the 2nd edition (mostly informative, no big musings from me).


Nice one, Drejk!

(I also loved your undead swords. XD)


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I guess the game is now to find the worst Kidz Bop cover


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X-TREME!! Captain Yesterday wrote:
Walking works too, just saying.

So does shambling, crawling, loping, sneaking, hopping and squirming along on your belly, although none of them will help you much in the 500 metres event.


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One

Two

Three

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It's pretty clear that modern game design trends toward "soft" magic systems for world-building and game design - i.e. the clear distinction and separation from the protagonist (PC) character(s) and what may well be possible for the world at large, even though the system is effectively a "hard" magic system (complete with numbers to back it up).

And that's my random thought for the day moment.


Scintillae wrote:
I guess the game is now to find the worst Kidz Bop cover

... okay, yeah.

Again, it fits the style, musically.

... but it's still painful.

...

...

... also they're on KidzBop28+. Wow.


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It will if everyone else in the 500 meter all of a sudden had something happen to their knees and had to hobble, crawl and squirm.

Hanshotfirst.

TonyaHardingwanteditmore.


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Well, Freehold, whatever you did with the weather dominator, it worked! We got snow, but not enough to cancel school, so the kidlet is currently taking his exams. :)


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We got a dusting of snow, just enough to make it even more picturesque.


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Tacticslion wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

OK. I gotta admit, I wasn't surprised, but I was disappointed, when I Googled "Kidz Bop I Touch Myself" and nothing came up...

... the relief is real.

that song was an important part of my life. Came out when I turned 12.

The jokes write themselves at this point.


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lynora wrote:
Well, Freehold, whatever you did with the weather dominator, it worked! We got snow, but not enough to cancel school, so the kidlet is currently taking his exams. :)

Dont thank me yet, the snow isnt supposed to start until later. Last thing I want is him stuck at school.


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Wow, and Paizo fans had me half convinced that there would never be a straight-up 2e, just a series of stealth-updates like Unchained.

Drejk wrote:
Blogpost regarding the 2nd edition (mostly informative, no big musings from me).

10th level spells, eh? Too bad I'm out of the game, the clear omission in the spell level progression has been a pet peeve of mine for a while. Presumably spells are going to be reshuffled all over, rather than adding an even more game-shaking class of spells at the end...


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Just a Mort wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
If things are fuzzy, I rather not touch them at all.
But... but... you don't touch yourself?

I don't touch myself. Heck, gran joking about me playing with myself got a lot of laughs. Because I'm waaay too prude to do so.

If it helps you can occasionally catch me wearing sleeveless.

I don't do spaghetti straps though.

bites down on tongue hard to keep from saying stereotypical Freeholdian things


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Just a Mort wrote:
Walking takes very long and it has to be uphill. Man I kinda miss the soya bean curd in Sungai Lembing. And their frogs.

did you eat the frogs, curd, or both?


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Tacticslion wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
I guess the game is now to find the worst Kidz Bop cover

... okay, yeah.

Again, it fits the style, musically.

... but it's still painful.

...

...

... also they're on KidzBop28+. Wow.

More the content than the style.

"Hey, kiddies! Let's sing the anthem of the sociopath ex!"
"Yaaaaaaay!"


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gran rey de los mono wrote:

I know that there are a great many variables and imponderables when it comes to things falling out of the sky, but I was perusing this article about a Chinese space station that is due to fall to Earth soon, and I love this line:

"Although experts have not yet determined exactly where the out-of-control module will land, an Aerospace report detailed that it will likely re-enter somewhere in the northern U.S. states, parts of South America, northern China, the Middle east, central Italy, northern Spain, New Zealand, the south of Africa or Tasmania in Australia."

That's a lot of area. Probably should have just said "We don't know yet" and left it at that.

I think they just meant it was going to land in ALL of those places...


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NobodysHome wrote:
gran rey de los mono wrote:

I know that there are a great many variables and imponderables when it comes to things falling out of the sky, but I was perusing this article about a Chinese space station that is due to fall to Earth soon, and I love this line:

"Although experts have not yet determined exactly where the out-of-control module will land, an Aerospace report detailed that it will likely re-enter somewhere in the northern U.S. states, parts of South America, northern China, the Middle east, central Italy, northern Spain, New Zealand, the south of Africa or Tasmania in Australia."

That's a lot of area. Probably should have just said "We don't know yet" and left it at that.

I think they just meant it was going to land in ALL of those places...

thats what I thought too...


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Freehold DM wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

OK. I gotta admit, I wasn't surprised, but I was disappointed, when I Googled "Kidz Bop I Touch Myself" and nothing came up...

... the relief is real.

that song was an important part of my life. Came out when I turned 12.

The jokes write themselves at this point.

I'm too sexy for myself, too sexy for myself. On the catwalk, yeah the catwalk, I shake my little wang on the catwalk!


Scintillae wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
I guess the game is now to find the worst Kidz Bop cover

... okay, yeah.

Again, it fits the style, musically.

... but it's still painful.

...

...

... also they're on KidzBop28+. Wow.

More the content than the style.

"Hey, kiddies! Let's sing the anthem of the sociopath ex!"
"Yaaaaaaay!"

Yeah, exactly my point.

The music is great for it.

The content... notsomuch.


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Weird. A post got et. Haven't seen that in a while.

But I was decrying how hard it is to parent and raise a free-thinking child when they so readily accept your biases without question.

So the kids were all excited to go to Skates yesterday morning, but when Impus Minor got home he was obviously distressed. I couldn't get him to tell me what was wrong, so he curled up in my lap and we watched Black Clover together. Then, Grandma arrived and he immediately fled to his room.

I went in and talked to him, and he admitted that he didn't like Grandma, and he didn't want to go to dinner with her, and he didn't even want to see her. It was really distressing, since she hasn't done anything bad to him; he's just overheard us talking about how much she's done to other people.

So, we let him stay home (Skates was excellent; the new chef has really turned it into the fine dining experience it should be), brought him a doggy bag, and he did me proud by doing the classic, "Suck it up and pretend you can tolerate someone for 5 minutes so you can maintain the family peace".

But, "I don't want to see Grandma any more" was pretty rough...


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My grandma on my dad's side of the family was an evil b$%*+, so I can relate.


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NobodysHome wrote:


But, "I don't want to see Grandma any more" was pretty rough...

We had similar issues with The Adult Child when she was about 15-16 and she didn't want to see her biological dad or paternal grandmother any more.

Granted, they made that decision a little easier for her when they refused to drive to the train station to pick her up after she missed her bus transfer due to her train arriving late. So yeah, they earned that one.

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NobodysHome wrote:

Weird. A post got et. Haven't seen that in a while.

But I was decrying how hard it is to parent and raise a free-thinking child when they so readily accept your biases without question.

So the kids were all excited to go to Skates yesterday morning, but when Impus Minor got home he was obviously distressed. I couldn't get him to tell me what was wrong, so he curled up in my lap and we watched Black Clover together. Then, Grandma arrived and he immediately fled to his room.

I went in and talked to him, and he admitted that he didn't like Grandma, and he didn't want to go to dinner with her, and he didn't even want to see her. It was really distressing, since she hasn't done anything bad to him; he's just overheard us talking about how much she's done to other people.

So, we let him stay home (Skates was excellent; the new chef has really turned it into the fine dining experience it should be), brought him a doggy bag, and he did me proud by doing the classic, "Suck it up and pretend you can tolerate someone for 5 minutes so you can maintain the family peace".

But, "I don't want to see Grandma any more" was pretty rough...

Yeah I pick up things like complaints about others fairly easily too. But I can tell you it's not odd having a religion, but having your kid as a free thinker, since that's the way I turned out.

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I actually like Jar of Hearts. That's two songs by Christina Perri that I like already.

I don't think there's anything wrong with kids singing that - I mean I think that you shouldn't be totally dependent on your partner and go like..."Ohh life can't go on without him...etc", and you should be able to stand on your own two feet, even after a breakup, and let go.

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If people ask why I turned out the way I do...

I point them to this


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I deliberately picked the least contentious article in the magazine for current events today to cool down after the last heated one we did.

So they, of course, turned it into duel of honor over whether it's said "soda" or "pop."


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I blame my parents, Inspector Gadget and Julia Childs for the way I turned out.


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Scintillae wrote:

I deliberately picked the least contentious article in the magazine for current events today to cool down after the last heated one we did.

So they, of course, turned it into duel of honor over whether it's said "soda" or "pop."

Can't it be both?


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Oh... my... goodness!


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Almost cold enough to snow here, 36 degrees.


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And the impassioned pleas have already begun.

Gods I love a good edition war!


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I missed the last one, seeing as I didn't start playing till years into PF. I'm admittedly curious about the playtest, even if I likely won't jump ship.


Hey, Scint and NH, I've not seen it, but it might be relevant~!


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I was playing 3.5 when Wizards came out with 4th edition. It didn't impress me. The core of an RPG should be Role-playing. Take that out, and you might as well be playing a miniatures-based Wargame.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Oh... my... goodness!

O.O

... wow.


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Children hear and see everything. They are far, far more aware than adults give them credit for. It may be time for a talk with the young man, let him know your misgivings, but reinforce that grandma is still grandma, and that her failings come from her humanity.

Also, show your sons some zatoichi and akarenbo shogun and zenigata heiji! Further them down the path of chaotic goodness!


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John Napier 698 wrote:
Almost cold enough to snow here, 36 degrees.

fiddles some more


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Freehold DM wrote:
Children hear and see everything. They are far, far more aware than adults give them credit for. It may be time for a talk with the young man, let him know your misgivings, but reinforce that grandma is still grandma, and that her failings come from her humanity.

Well, that's the thing -- I know he's heard it all, but in Impus Major's case he'll talk to us about it, ask questions, and come to an informed decision. I swear he's a 28-year-old in a 14-year-old's body.

So with Impus Major being so ludicrously mature for his age, it becomes harder to keep in mind that Impus Minor is very typical of a 13-year-old; he internalizes things, takes them as absolutes, and holds long grudges and sulkfests.

So it's more, "One kid is extremely self-confident, independent, and mature, and the other is typical for his age," and it's disconcerting to deal with both situations.

It'll be fine. It was just a surprise.

(And yes, Impus Major is 16, but he's still under 115 pounds. Until the boy is larger than a breadbox, I refuse to call him a 16-year-old, no matter how much he eats.)


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Freehold DM, this video helped me out on setting up the new hard drive.


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John Napier 698 wrote:
I was playing 3.5 when Wizards came out with 4th edition. It didn't impress me. The core of an RPG should be Role-playing. Take that out, and you might as well be playing a miniatures-based Wargame.

4E was an interesting system with a solid symmetry and a strong understanding of combat design and individual roles in combat encounters.

In a heavy focus and retool along those lines, however, it rejected many of the ideas that had long given D&D its self-identity, especially within specific campaign settings.

In truth, this shift wasn't anything too new: any time a setting is built out of mechanical presumptions and those presumptions change, you're going to have to change the setting. One of the key failures of the 4E transition is that WotC genuinely didn't know how to interface with their own fans. It's a classic case of nerds not knowing how to deal with people - a kind of irony, one supposes.

What's more, though, is that no one who was working on 4E got to do what they wanted to do in the creation of the game. Corporate pressure and self-destructive associates combined to force the game to come out before everything was ready.

All that said, it wasn't a bad game. It was a game whose design was originally embarked upon for the wrong reasons, but it was developed into a solid system - just not one that did what I wanted, and not one that followed its own original intent.

And a lot of the former players thought the same. It did, however, bring in a lot of new players, and that's solid.

That said, the 3rd edition of the game wasn't all that different - it was originally designed by D&D fans to start the game "fresh" so that WotC could make money. This isn't a bad thing. There are lots of stories that go on about how it was designed and why, but, fundamentally, the game (which was tanking, financially) switched hands, and needed a new system to make it financially stable again.

And, frankly, the 3E game wasn't perfect, or even well-designed in many regards. It was... "quirky" one might say. But it was fun. And, as they got feedback, they refined the game, and 3.5 came out, and sold like mad.

And, frankly, some of the changes from 3rd to 3.5 were necessary, and others were... not... maybe even being poor design choices. Similarly, there was much that PF did right in adopting the d20 System, but there were missteps, too. And so on it goes.

And all that's just part of the design.

Frankly, Mort's cited problems with 5E fall into "preference" rather than "bad game design" - and that's my same problem with the 4E model. The game was fine - it simply wasn't good for me, but that's personal, not a criticism of game mechanics design.

Now, some mechanics don't facilitate good free-form story-telling and others do. D&D (and Pathfinder) are focused-form story-telling*, and they do that by way of their mechanics. That is, the story can go in any direction desired, so long as the mechanics are followed (though the mechanics explicitly include, "Feel free to ignore some of the rules." as part of themselves, so).

To that end, certain rules facilitate certain kinds of stories. Some facilitate, "murder stuff and take things" while others facilitate more nuanced or varied story structure. The more internally consistent the world is, the more you can take the rules and push them through their paces to create a reasonable facsimile of a self-governing world. The less consistent, the more easily one can create a variable story, but the less intuitive that story is to those moving through it. As alluded to by the "hard magic" and "soft magic" links above, neither is wrong, and there are benefits and problems with each. I tend to prefer a rule-set that follows the "consistent" design, while the modern trend is for less consistent systems.

And, again, you can tell good stories this way. But it's not my preferred way to design worlds or create games.

* Look, I don't know, I'm just making that word up, but it seems reasonable to me.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Children hear and see everything. They are far, far more aware than adults give them credit for. It may be time for a talk with the young man, let him know your misgivings, but reinforce that grandma is still grandma, and that her failings come from her humanity.

Well, that's the thing -- I know he's heard it all, but in Impus Major's case he'll talk to us about it, ask questions, and come to an informed decision. I swear he's a 28-year-old in a 14-year-old's body.

So with Impus Major being so ludicrously mature for his age, it becomes harder to keep in mind that Impus Minor is very typical of a 13-year-old; he internalizes things, takes them as absolutes, and holds long grudges and sulkfests.

So it's more, "One kid is extremely self-confident, independent, and mature, and the other is typical for his age," and it's disconcerting to deal with both situations.

It'll be fine. It was just a surprise.

(And yes, Impus Major is 16, but he's still under 115 pounds. Until the boy is larger than a breadbox, I refuse to call him a 16-year-old, no matter how much he eats.)

i hold grudges forever too! Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!

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