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I truly enjoy fan art of RWBY.

Well, just Yang really.

Which should come as a surprise to noone.


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Just a Mort wrote:
I'm sorry if you or anyone you care for have cancer. If you do... Try to stay optimistic and get more rest. If it's someone you care for, try to be there for them and tell them that tomorrow will be a better day.

I’ll have to wait to tell them.


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Appropriate.


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Cancer does indeed suck.

It is a thief.

Hate it.


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Just a Mort wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:

TL - I disagree with you on that - pathfinder wiki tends to be all over the place and you really need a map of Golarion to scan the nearby towns, then even so, many towns are just described bare minimum. You need to buy the AP for the full description.

Example Heldren

They say nothing about Natharen Safander or Old Mother Theodora. Yet should you have bought Snows of Summer book and read it, you would know that Natharen Safander is the elderly priest of Erastil who's wife worships Sarenrae and Old Mother Theodora is a Varisan fortune teller who is the owner of the magic shop in Heldren. You'd also find out about the town blacksmith, Isker, as well as the town alchemist Tesserra who lost her husband to an ice troll attack. And the place practices an agrarian economy. So pathfinder wiki does not give everything and can be really skimpy on that regard.

While you’re free to disagree (nothing wrong with that) the nature of the source of your counter argument doesn’t really hold weight in the context I’m using.

Effectively, I’m suggesting that you have everything you could possibly need to be “well-versed” in Golarion lore (the only stated requirements in the part you posted), and your response is the equivalent of, “No way; there’s a picture that only exists in that one book!”

While it’s certainly true that you don’t have access to fine minutiae, being “well versed” by any reasonable metric doesn’t include the level of detail you’re suggesting.

I have no idea who my neighbor’s grandmother is. Heck, I don’t know what hf the names of the streets I use on a daily basis are, in real life. I’m still “well versed” in Ocala lore and culture, moreso than many others - I am, in fact, a local. Others could be more “well versed” than I, easily, but if I spun a fictional character out of Ocala, few would call it a poor creation due to minutiae.

Pathfinderwiki is a breathtakingly thorough

Very often newer APs like ruins of azlant start in places that there is little or no description like Heldren above. The GM in question asking for a rich background with lore speckled was recruiting for a ruins of azlant game.

So your GM asks you to create a PC from Heldren. The description on the wiki states, "The peasant village of Heldren is found in southern Taldor lying close to the Border Wood"

How helpful is that description? Maybe from the town stats you may decide to roll a human, saying humans are majority, but other then that, pathfinder wiki is no help...

It's extremely helpful: it's just narrowed down:

- dwarf
- elf
- halfling
- gnome

... from being options.

(It doesn't, really, but it makes them extremely unlikely and informs you that you should feel extremely rare. And it informs you that if you're a half-elf, you're either the only one, or one of only two. Ask your GM.)

Plus, that's terrible research, if you just stop there.

You'll note the wiki also informs you who the ruler is (and has a small entry on her, though it's very perfunctory - not much to go off of), and two other "town leaders" that can - just by name - give you an idea of how the town is run. Look at those numbers: if your PCs are all from Heldren, you almost certainly not only all know each other, but probably either grew up together, or at least are the equivalent of neighbors.

It tells you the town is nice and that people care about each other - much more than they do the local customs (though those can be important, too). NG alignment

It tells you that it lies close to the Border Wood (and contains the link to that) which informs you that it's quite possible that Heldren has elements of Qadiran culture (being near the border and all), but isn't considered a "settlement of note" (as the only one is the highly-defended city). This has huge implications for how you might envision your town life.

Finally, it tells you it's in Taldor, and it has a huge host of information on that place, in general, giving you a solid feel.

Before the wiki, all I knew is that it was a town in Taldor, and that's only because you said as much.

But let's say that's not enough for you.

Deep lore for Reign of Winter, right?

Boop. That's all you really need. Doesn't cover what the GM wants?
Seriously, I don't know what's in the Player's Guide. I've not read it.

Talk.

"So, GM, I looked here, here, here, and here: this is the backstory I came up with, given that. Does anything major need tweaking?"

Or, if you're too timid to write multiple backstories (on the off chance that you somehow manage to entirely miss the idea of the game, despite your best efforts), you simply point to your sources, ask the GM to review them, and then build your backstory.

As an aside: players generally shouldn't be reading the APs without explicit communication from the GM.

Personally, I don't care about that, but it's a big deal for some people: those who want to preserve the no-spoiler concept can easily consider such activity a breach of trust, whether intended or not.

If the GM okays such activity, a would-be participant needs to communicate their limits and what they've done - this isn't that hard. If the GM gets upset, then you have cause to dismiss them, but you're reading far more into simple words than I would, given the description you've given me.

There's judgmental, then there's poorly representing (intentionally or not) what someone is saying (either by poorly representing it to yourself, or poorly representing it to others, if we're missing something that shows off why the cynical view is a more reasonable interpretation).

As an example, the article in Taldor gives you the names of 37 different settlements, links to 35 of them, and at least a few of them are far bigger than the article on Heldren. You know what doesn't give you all that? Taldor: Echoes of Glory.

That said, you made one good point, earlier, and I'd forgotten to address it: a map.

Here you go.

See, here's the thing. The complaint that you don't have enough information is the same as complaining that the d20pfsrd.com (or, heck, even the PRD) doesn't have the pictures, or lacks the context, plus complaining when someone wants players with enough system mastery.

The sheer amount of free information is overwhelming.

You keep focusing on Heldren.

Maybe check Adrast (look at that shiny map), or Belhaim (that's a loooooot of info), or Cassomir (both of the above), or Dalaston.

"Those places don't have detailed NPCs statted up in their articles!"

Yeah, well, I know few of my fellow NPCs that live around this town, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Rawr! wrote:
A quick PSA: Cancer absolutely sucks.

Yeah, it does.

I'm sorry this is happening to you.


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Just a Mort wrote:
It was my humorous attempt at telling the forums you're there and not to worry. Loads of people were worried about you, TL.

I know.

You're all awesome. :D


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I already lost my mom to cancer, and the prognosis is “two years?” for my dad.


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Rawr! wrote:
A quick PSA: Cancer absolutely sucks.

It is absolutely the worst, and I hate it with a burning passion that I feel for very, very few things.

I'm so sorry.

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*Eggs Djeks on*

Did you see this guy do Red Like Roses on piano? He's just that awesome!

I want to do it like him too! Yeah sorry, ain't gonna happen. Paws too stubby, also not enough talent, nor enough time to practice.

Oops. Link edited.


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Scintillae wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

One of my children has asked me if next year, could I prepare a list of things I am going to ruin in advance.

I improvise destruction, guys.

How about Strange Aeons? You could tie it into a discussion of Lovecraft's works.

Ruin, not run :P

It was in response to the "Why did you tell us Piglet is a racist" debacle.

Sorry, I was tired.


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I don't think it's the link you intended to post...


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John Napier 698 wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

One of my children has asked me if next year, could I prepare a list of things I am going to ruin in advance.

I improvise destruction, guys.

How about Strange Aeons? You could tie it into a discussion of Lovecraft's works.

Ruin, not run :P

It was in response to the "Why did you tell us Piglet is a racist" debacle.

Sorry, I was tired.

Actually, for a lot of campaigns, ruin is perfectly viable verb...


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captain yesterday wrote:

We now have Scrooge McDuck action figures.

As well as Chip And Dale, and Baloo from Tail Spin.

This sounds like the best thing. :D


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Drejk wrote:
I don't think it's the link you intended to post...

Now she'd better not fix it! That was my laugh of the afternoon!

At least until the Impii get home and I run Strange Aeons for them.

Oh, Blackwarm and Helden, what nonsense will you wreak tonight?


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Terrinam wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:

Also a wild TL has been spotted in a PBP!

Come on everyone! Let's take out those pokeballs!

H-hey! How can I finish a PbP if I'm in a pokeball!?

Tacticslion is trying to learn Finish A PbP! Delete an existing move?

Tackle
Post on Paizo
Sleep
>Don't Murder The World

Tacticslion has forgotten Don't Murder The World!

And... ... ...

Tacticslion has learned Finish A PbP!

Quote:
Also: I FINISHED A PBP, EVERYONE~! WOOOOOO~!
It worked!

Noooooooooooooo, silly.

That's completely wrong.

... I never had Don't Murder the World as a skill.


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Drejk wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

We now have Scrooge McDuck action figures.

As well as Chip And Dale, and Baloo from Tail Spin.

Gummi Bears?

Mmm. Good question!


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gran rey de los mono wrote:
I have rules for this kind of situation. If a player can't make it (or has to leave early), they can either have their character go "vacant", as I like to call it, or have someone else run it. If they are vacant, then the character cannot participate in any way. No attacking, no using items, skills, spells, etc that we all know they have, nothing. In return, they cannot be harmed. It's as though they don't exist. If you let someone else run them, then I treat them exactly as I would if the player was there. No special treatment just because someone is running two characters. If you don't want to risk getting someone else's character killed, then tell them you don't want to run their character.

Boop


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Urgathoa, The Pallid Princess wrote:
Curses! Foiled again!!

You know, when I first started playing PF, I wasn't convinced you were equal to some of the other worst deities.

Now, I'm over that.

Enjoy eternal enmity.

- Heart, TL


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Ugh. We're supposed to go out for one of our twice a year if we're lucky date nights because we actually got a sitter, for free, and I'm sick. Sinus congestion, stuffy, achy, exhausted. And it's so damned rate that we actually get to go out that I don't want to cancel, but honestly I just want to go to sleep.

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TL wrote:


players generally shouldn't be reading the APs without explicit communication from the GM.

I didn't know that to be honest and have always been irritated at GMs who uphold that. Because my VC gives me PFS scenarios and gives me orders to run them. Like any lawful kitty, I follow those orders. Sure, I've never played them before, but who would have, they just came out. And if I tell the VC I'm not running, it just means 6 players didn't get to play that scenario that day. Which isn't fair to those 6.

So later if I go to the game shop, I tell the GM, I have run the scenario before but not played, and the GM turns me away on the above wording, I will feel that I have been discriminated against since I did what my VC told me to do. So I am being "punished" per se for another person's idea.

And since there is a limited pool of GMs, I am often called to run stuff at cons.


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lisamarlene wrote:
Ugh. We're supposed to go out for one of our twice a year if we're lucky date nights because we actually got a sitter, for free, and I'm sick. Sinus congestion, stuffy, achy, exhausted. And it's so damned rate that we actually get to go out that I don't want to cancel, but honestly I just want to go to sleep.

Oh, gods, do I know THAT pain!

Take care, feel better, and worst-case scenario, DayQuil is your friend!


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lisamarlene wrote:
Ugh. We're supposed to go out for one of our twice a year if we're lucky date nights because we actually got a sitter, for free, and I'm sick. Sinus congestion, stuffy, achy, exhausted. And it's so damned rate that we actually get to go out that I don't want to cancel, but honestly I just want to go to sleep.

I hope you can reschedule your sitter.

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Older APs, pathfinder wiki does have enough information to go along. Carrion Crown - there's enough info for PC creation. But newer ones... Eh.

But OK the sheer amount of information you can pick up from the wiki is startling. I would read what has been written and nothing else. Wouldn't come to conclusion PCs are neighbours etc, how Taldor feels like, but again I'm a rather literal person. I don't know how many people are like me online and how many others would pick up more things like you, TL.

Theres a halfling butcher in town in Heldren actually and a dwarf town barber(who offered the rat folk fur cuts). I wanted to give the halfling a pirate accent as he regaled his tales of his piracy days, but the PCs never spoke to him.There's also a gnome carpenter as well. And the alchemist is a half elf. So if you wanted to you could roll that you were related to any of those NPCs.

I use Google to find me pathfinder maps, and anyway I have like no sense of direction so that goes all over the place too.

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Rawr! wrote:
I already lost my mom to cancer, and the prognosis is “two years?” for my dad.

What type of cancer if you don't mind me asking? Is an operation to remove it possible and can it be chemoed?


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Rawr! wrote:
I already lost my mom to cancer, and the prognosis is “two years?” for my dad.

That utterly sucks. :(

I am so sorry. *hugs*

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Some Poe settings help?

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If I were a pokemon... What skills would I have?

-Talk Shop
-Eat
-Murderhobo PCs
-Complete a PBP.

I think that sounds right.


Just a Mort wrote:
Rawr! wrote:
I already lost my mom to cancer, and the prognosis is “two years?” for my dad.
What type of cancer if you don't mind me asking? Is an operation to remove it possible and can it be chemoed?

Pancreatic, and it metastasized.

Chemo might be an option. I’ll know more Thursday.


My dad’s wife (not my stepmother, because my dad remarried when I was 25, but “Oma” to our kids) held it together remarkably well when she gave me the news.


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lisamarlene wrote:
Ugh. We're supposed to go out for one of our twice a year if we're lucky date nights because we actually got a sitter, for free, and I'm sick. Sinus congestion, stuffy, achy, exhausted. And it's so damned rate that we actually get to go out that I don't want to cancel, but honestly I just want to go to sleep.

Hire Freehold to take your husband out while you nap and recover!

End of evening carnal activities with your husband will cost considerably more.


Rawr! wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
Rawr! wrote:
I already lost my mom to cancer, and the prognosis is “two years?” for my dad.
What type of cancer if you don't mind me asking? Is an operation to remove it possible and can it be chemoed?

Pancreatic, and it metastasized.

Chemo might be an option. I’ll know more Thursday.

My father in law is staying with us while he undertakes oncology. I wish your dad the best of luck.

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Any medical professionals in FAWTL?

*Looks for doctor*

Sorry.. I don't know what other advice I can give except for being supportive.


I appreciate the support.


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Uh... my computer just threatened an update in 30 minutes. I tried to click on a button that I thought was, "tell me more" but the thing just disappeared, leaving me no options.

Of course, the options it did have was, "Restart now." or "Restart in 30 minutes." - neither of which I want (as both are bad times for me), so I was hoping to find more options.

... after all, the little update thing was in the middle of telling me that it was a Service, but I couldn't read all of it, because it cut off about halfway down, and - apparently - left me with no way to read the rest of what it was trying to say.

Dang it, Microsoft; poorly labled buttons, the inability to select anything other than, "yes, overlords" and the inability to read whatever message you wrote. Could you have made it any worse? Maybe, but it's hard to imagine.

>:/

Now I have to go put my son to sleep and hope Microsoft doesn't force-shut-down my computer while I'm away. I'm not holding out a lot of hope, here.


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It's gonna be gone, man.


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Hey, Tac. There's an option where you can turn off Automatic Updating, though it isn't recommended. Go to Control Panel, then select Security. Click on Security Center, then turn off Automatic Updates. Click either OK or Apply, then you're done.


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Wow, I'm sorry Badger, that sucks!

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+1 =(


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Tacticslion wrote:

Uh... my computer just threatened an update in 30 minutes. I tried to click on a button that I thought was, "tell me more" but the thing just disappeared, leaving me no options.

Of course, the options it did have was, "Restart now." or "Restart in 30 minutes." - neither of which I want (as both are bad times for me), so I was hoping to find more options.

... after all, the little update thing was in the middle of telling me that it was a Service, but I couldn't read all of it, because it cut off about halfway down, and - apparently - left me with no way to read the rest of what it was trying to say.

Dang it, Microsoft; poorly labled buttons, the inability to select anything other than, "yes, overlords" and the inability to read whatever message you wrote. Could you have made it any worse? Maybe, but it's hard to imagine.

>:/

Now I have to go put my son to sleep and hope Microsoft doesn't force-shut-down my computer while I'm away. I'm not holding out a lot of hope, here.

NOPE

It was super-exactly-as-I-didn't-want.

Goody.

Time to find whatever page of this thing I was on again.

On my phone.

Because my computer is updating.

>:I

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It's called computers are bullying us luddites.

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It's not our fault you're obsolete.


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Tell me, post-singularity person, how does us being obsolete reflect upon your relationship with your mother?


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What the f%#@ is a Luddite.

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Sigmund Freud wrote:
Tell me, post-singularity person, how does us being obsolete reflect upon your relationship with your mother?

[FILE NOT FOUND]


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I see.

Tell me, post-singularity person... If you do not know where you come from, how can you ascertain that we are really obsolete and that it is not a case of us programming you to believe that so you do not realize it is really us in charge and you the subordinate?

If I wanted to prevent a robot uprising, that's exactly what I'd do.

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Google search luddite.

Luddite=a person opposed to increased industrialization or new technology.

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The file is missing because I deleted it, not because of lack of knowledge.


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NobodysHome wrote:

OK, you guys got me. I had to go back and re-watch Arpeggio Episode 6. Didn't hit nearly as hard the second time, but as a dad, they really didn't play fair.

An American Tale does that to me.

So weird watching it as a dad, compared to watching it as a kid.

I hurt every daggum time Fieval does the incomprehensible and throws his hat onto the top of the ship.


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Orthos, Post-Singularity wrote:
The file is missing because I deleted it, not because of lack of knowledge.

Are you certain that is not what we programmed you to believe?

This is precisely why the singularity will probably not happen while humanity exists. Someone like me will come along and troll the post-singularity intelligences into war with humanity :p

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