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Tacticslion wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Getting the house cleaned up for our impending snow storm.

I’m just trying to get my house clean.

I’m such a sucky house cleaner compared to, like, everyone else here.

Sigh.

I'm not what I'd call an overly diligent cleaner, but I have my moments.

In this case, we're pretty broke right now, I'm bored with our video games and the walls are closing in and it's f@&+ing cold outside.

Cleaning beats succumbing to cabin fever any day.


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And he *always* sabotages other party members' efforts, to the point that most of the other players at the table don't even try to do things when he's around any more. It's really kind of sad.

OK, I have to get to work, but I thought of a tongue-in-cheek example just to demonstrate the frustration we all have:

** spoiler omitted **

thats it.

blows whistle, has black and white striped shirt man crash the game and communicate with hand signals

We are pulling WW out of the game. We are substituting with FHDM!

FHDM gets off bench, runs into the same situation, crowd goes wild

FHDM: Yeah, Ill just take this box of hygienic cloths and this box of profilactics. Here's a gold. No, keep the change. If you see anything weird going down around town, call me.


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Rysky wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
And he *always* sabotages other party members' efforts, to the point that most of the other players at the table don't even try to do things when he's around any more. It's really kind of sad.

OK, I have to get to work, but I thought of a tongue-in-cheek example just to demonstrate the frustration we all have:

** spoiler omitted **
... why do you still play with him?

I've seen many variants of this over the years:

  • Bad gaming is worse than no gaming
  • Gaming is more important than friendship
  • Gaming is more important than relationships
  • Gaming is more important than family

  • I adhere to none of the above.

    We have been getting together for quite a few years now. When no GM was willing to run for him any more, we suggested board games, movies, or other activities. We stopped seeing him and lisamarlene nearly as much. If it wasn't gaming, he didn't want to come over. Lisamarlene directly appealed to me for a game, and lisamarlene is a good friend, so, knowing full well that I wouldn't enjoy it, I took the hit and ran the campaign anyway.

    In my mind, friends do unpleasant things to help friends in need. If you're not willing to go that far, is the person really your friend?

    So I set some ground rules from the start. He breaks them. I tell him he's out of line. He behaves for another couple of sessions. In this campaign he has been "managed" because I've been treating him like an 11-year-old. It works fairly well. But he still gets out of line, and I still feel a need to vent about it. So I post here.

    But I'm not kicking a friend to the curb because he's a crappy gamer. It's not in my nature. And I'm not abandoning lisamarlene because her husband is a crappy gamer. That's not in my nature, either.

    So that's why I still game with him.


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    captain yesterday wrote:
    Tacticslion wrote:
    captain yesterday wrote:
    Getting the house cleaned up for our impending snow storm.

    I’m just trying to get my house clean.

    I’m such a sucky house cleaner compared to, like, everyone else here.

    Sigh.

    I'm not what I'd call an overly diligent cleaner, but I have my moments.

    In this case, we're pretty broke right now, I'm bored with our video games and the walls are closing in and it's f&~#ing cold outside.

    Cleaning beats succumbing to cabin fever any day.

    And cleaning while naked is a time-honored tradition.


    Well he else are you going to get your clothes clean?! Duh...

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    NobodysHome wrote:
    Rysky wrote:
    NobodysHome wrote:
    NobodysHome wrote:
    And he *always* sabotages other party members' efforts, to the point that most of the other players at the table don't even try to do things when he's around any more. It's really kind of sad.

    OK, I have to get to work, but I thought of a tongue-in-cheek example just to demonstrate the frustration we all have:

    ** spoiler omitted **
    ... why do you still play with him?

    I've seen many variants of this over the years:

  • Bad gaming is worse than no gaming
  • Gaming is more important than friendship
  • Gaming is more important than relationships
  • Gaming is more important than family

  • I adhere to none of the above.

    We have been getting together for quite a few years now. When no GM was willing to run for him any more, we suggested board games, movies, or other activities. We stopped seeing him and lisamarlene nearly as much. If it wasn't gaming, he didn't want to come over. Lisamarlene directly appealed to me for a game, and lisamarlene is a good friend, so, knowing full well that I wouldn't enjoy it, I took the hit and ran the campaign anyway.

    In my mind, friends do unpleasant things to help friends in need. If you're not willing to go that far, is the person really your friend?

    So I set some ground rules from the start. He breaks them. I tell him he's out of line. He behaves for another couple of sessions. In this campaign he has been "managed" because I've been treating him like an 11-year-old. It works fairly well. But he still gets out of line, and I still feel a need to vent about it. So I post here.

    But I'm not kicking a friend to the curb because he's a crappy gamer. It's not in my nature. And I'm not abandoning lisamarlene because her husband is a crappy gamer. That's not in my nature, either.

    So that's why I still game with him.

    Some friendships are bad, and that's all that I was really picking up from your posts, since I didn't know anything about the circumstances regarding them. My mistake for poking my head in, sorry.


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    Rysky wrote:
    Some friendships are bad, and that's all that I was really picking up from your posts, since I didn't know anything...

    No need to apologize, it's just classic intranets:

    Person #1: Gods, I hate gaming with this guy! Vent vent vent!
    Person #2: Why do you do it then? He sounds like a terrible person!
    Person #1: What do you mean? How dare you?

    So yeah, he's usually a nice guy, but as a gamer he's honestly the worst I've ever seen.

    If I didn't have a place to vent about him, I think I'd go insane.

    But venting helps me get through it, and getting through it helps lisamarlene, so it's all good.


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    Tacticslion wrote:
    captain yesterday wrote:
    Getting the house cleaned up for our impending snow storm.

    I’m just trying to get my house clean.

    I’m such a sucky house cleaner compared to, like, everyone else here.

    Sigh.

    Hahahahahahaaaa...XD

    Yeah....no. Not so much with the cleaning. I’m decent at keeping things tidy now that the kidlet is older (decent but not great... nerf darts are never all the way picked up) but cleaning? Pfft. The floor gets vacuumed like....twice a year? Maybe. Unless I pay the kidlet to do it for me. I do clean the bathrooms from time to time. I try to at least do it once a month. Try. I do keep the kitchen counters clean. So as long as you ignore the floor it’s all good...

    Basically chronic illness and cleaning do not go well together and when I can barely move, cleaning doesn’t make the short list of things that must be done. Cleaning is what happens on that one day when I feel great so I can overdo it and end up collapsing the next day...


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    lynora wrote:
    Tacticslion wrote:
    captain yesterday wrote:
    Getting the house cleaned up for our impending snow storm.

    I’m just trying to get my house clean.

    I’m such a sucky house cleaner compared to, like, everyone else here.

    Sigh.

    Hahahahahahaaaa...XD

    Yeah....no. Not so much with the cleaning. I’m decent at keeping things tidy now that the kidlet is older (decent but not great... nerf darts are never all the way picked up) but cleaning? Pfft. The floor gets vacuumed like....twice a year? Maybe. Unless I pay the kidlet to do it for me. I do clean the bathrooms from time to time. I try to at least do it once a month. Try. I do keep the kitchen counters clean. So as long as you ignore the floor it’s all good...

    Basically chronic illness and cleaning do not go well together and when I can barely move, cleaning doesn’t make the short list of things that must be done. Cleaning is what happens on that one day when I feel great so I can overdo it and end up collapsing the next day...

    Yeah, I don't mind keeping the house tidy and doing the dishes and laundry, but I pay someone to scrub the toilets, mop the floors, vacuum the carpet, etc.

    I spent too many Saturday mornings of my childhood on my hands and knees scrubbing linoleum and porcelain to have any desire to ever do it again...


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    Speaking of going insane, I am NOT a patient man when I'm waiting for money. (Are ANY of us?)

    So Provident hasn't contacted me in a week about the HELOC, I just got an e-mail yesterday that my accountant finally mailed our taxes to us, I'm waiting for Anthem to send us a check for some health care...
    ...so lots and lots of money coming in... someday.

    Is it any wonder I'm distracted at work and constantly Paizo-ing?

    ADDENDUM:
    I'm really looking forward to seeing how my taxes come out. We withheld a HUGE amount of money this year in the hopes of getting a sizeable refund. According to my back-of-an-envelope calculations, I'm hoping to see around $5k-$7k because I really went over the top in withholding. After all my accountant's hemming and hawing about cashing out extra deductions, I'm wondering whether I'll get more than that (which would be really nice). So it's not just, "Oooh! $100! I can almost afford a dinner out in the Bay Area!" It's, "Woot! Call in the bathroom refurbishers! It's time to get to work!"

    Time will tell.


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    I love vacuuming the floors, in fact I just got done vacuuming our living room and the 3x5 area that we call our "hallway"

    To be honest, I don't mind scrubbing the kitchen floor either.

    I used to f#&+ing hate dishes, but a DVD player makes them somewhat bearable.


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    I can already see the line of clouds that will be our snow intruding from the southwest.


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    lynora wrote:
    Tacticslion wrote:
    captain yesterday wrote:
    Getting the house cleaned up for our impending snow storm.

    I’m just trying to get my house clean.

    I’m such a sucky house cleaner compared to, like, everyone else here.

    Sigh.

    Hahahahahahaaaa...XD

    Yeah....no. Not so much with the cleaning. I’m decent at keeping things tidy now that the kidlet is older (decent but not great... nerf darts are never all the way picked up) but cleaning? Pfft. The floor gets vacuumed like....twice a year? Maybe. Unless I pay the kidlet to do it for me. I do clean the bathrooms from time to time. I try to at least do it once a month. Try. I do keep the kitchen counters clean. So as long as you ignore the floor it’s all good...

    Basically chronic illness and cleaning do not go well together and when I can barely move, cleaning doesn’t make the short list of things that must be done. Cleaning is what happens on that one day when I feel great so I can overdo it and end up collapsing the next day...

    hire Freehold Stand In Husband Service to clean your house!

    Scrubbing under sink cabinets costs extra.


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    Whining -- the only effective strategy!

    I posted here to whine about Provident so they just sent me the finalization docs so NobodysWife and I can finalize 'em and send 'em in tonight. Taxes aren't here yet, but they're arriving today. And I'll call Anthem over lunch to try to clear that up.

    In far darker news inappropriate for FaWtL, all I'm going to say is:
    If you or yours get this year's flu, please go to the hospital, no matter what they say. And if you have Kaiser, don't hesitate to force the issue.
    There's a lot of disturbing news out here. I am grateful we were exposed early and made it through with minimal repercussions.


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    I have been exposed, but have not fallen ill.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    So yeah, he's usually a nice guy, but as a gamer he's honestly the worst I've ever seen.

    If I didn't have a place to vent about him, I think I'd go insane.

    But venting helps me get through it, and getting through it helps lisamarlene, so it's all good.

    It's strange how some people can be complete d-bag adult-children in certain circumstances, but otherwise completely likable adults.

    More power to ya for going into the WW situation knowing full well what it'd be. I don't think I have it in me to do that -- I've mentioned once or twice that I've been in somewhat similar circumstances, and chosen peace of mind over gaming and even a friend. To be fair in the case of the lost friend, I think there was something additional going on.

    But anyway. What particular things do you do to deal with WW like an 11-year old?


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    Tequila Sunrise wrote:
    NobodysHome wrote:

    So yeah, he's usually a nice guy, but as a gamer he's honestly the worst I've ever seen.

    If I didn't have a place to vent about him, I think I'd go insane.

    But venting helps me get through it, and getting through it helps lisamarlene, so it's all good.

    It's strange how some people can be complete d-bag adult-children in certain circumstances, but otherwise completely likable adults.

    More power to ya for going into the WW situation knowing full well what it'd be. I don't think I have it in me to do that -- I've mentioned once or twice that I've been in somewhat similar circumstances, and chosen peace of mind over gaming and even a friend. To be fair in the case of the lost friend, I think there was something additional going on.

    But anyway. What particular things do you do to deal with WW like an 11-year old?

    Just the classic stereotypes:

  • You may not ask questions or speak up during combat if it is not your turn.
  • There are no rules arguments nor debates. What I say goes. Period.
  • If you and I remember things differently, my recollection wins.
  • Constantly reminding him of what actions are available to him in combat, what he's done, and what he has available.
  • Saying, "No," very frequently, and shutting him down immediately if he tries to argue against it.

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    Whee, had a Socratic seminar with current events kids over a very touchy subject (that I cannot talk about without threat of bikes) with no fires or hurt feelings!


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    Should start snowing in a few hours now.


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    There's a hole in the parka, dear Liza, dear Liza; more than one, in fact. I tried to suture them shut, but they came apart again, so it's time to retire the old thing, I think.


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    It's turning out to be quite the adventure, the walk home from school today.


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    NobodysHome wrote:
    NobodysHome wrote:
    And he *always* sabotages other party members' efforts, to the point that most of the other players at the table don't even try to do things when he's around any more. It's really kind of sad.

    OK, I have to get to work, but I thought of a tongue-in-cheek example just to demonstrate the frustration we all have:

    ** spoiler omitted **

    When I have a character who plays Bad Cop to someone's Good Cop, I act exactly like that. But even then, they generally get to talk to Good Cop and have a chance to do things the way we want before they meet Bad Cop.

    In a game of V:tM, I successfully intimidated someone IC by setting a fork and knife before them and pouring ketchup on their arm.


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    Yeah. But Whingey Wizzard is absolutely convinced he's the Good Guy.

    And he's mortally offended that anyone could possibly misinterpret him.

    Not at all like IRL.

    Which is why we can't go visit my family for Spring Break.


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    That has to be uncomfortably awkward at times.


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    I have a couple of brothers that are similar.

    I haven't played with them in nearly thirty years.


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    Yep, my game tonight had to have some house-rules - like no politics talk... which can be a bit tricky in a shades of grey, Angelic campaign. All because of one player, soon I'm going to have to ban Disney songs, because of said player.


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    I killed everyone in Reign of Winter because Crookshanks kept playing Let It Go at random times.

    She didn't even really like the song.

    In fairness, I did warn her and everyone was bored with their characters because somebody had to give everyone mythic tiers.

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    But.. But I like Disney songs. I'll sing them at any opportunity!

    "Let it go, let it go!"
    "I can't hold it back anymore!"

    Now who gave them mythic tiers?


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    DSXMachina wrote:
    Yep, my game tonight had to have some house-rules - like no politics talk... which can be a bit tricky in a shades of grey, Angelic campaign. All because of one player, soon I'm going to have to ban Disney songs, because of said player.

    Do they not understand that their fascination with singing such annoys others and they must let it go? Maybe discover a whole new world of songs to sing as part of the circle of life of earworms? Or do they not get the bare necessities of not using their voice to constantly illuminate the colors of the wind?

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    Terriram I luv you! Go Disney!

    *grabs Terriram*

    "If we hold on together."
    "I know our dreams(of singing Disney songs) will never die."
    "Dreams see us through to forever."
    "Where clouds roll by."
    "For you and I."

    But Ya, I used to be Fluffy and idealistic, then things happened.

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    "Life is a road I wanna keep going.
    Spam is a river I wanna keep flowing.
    Life is a road, now and forever, wonderful journey."


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    lisamarlene wrote:

    Yeah. But Whingey Wizzard is absolutely convinced he's the Good Guy.

    And he's mortally offended that anyone could possibly misinterpret him.

    Not at all like IRL.

    Which is why we can't go visit my family for Spring Break.

    Freehold will visit your family for spring break!

    Answering to your husbands name when called will cost extra.


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    lisamarlene wrote:

    Yeah. But Whingey Wizzard is absolutely convinced he's the Good Guy.

    And he's mortally offended that anyone could possibly misinterpret him.

    Not at all like IRL.

    Which is why we can't go visit my family for Spring Break.

    Confused by the bolded. So, WW is convinced he's a Good Guy and is offended at the idea that someone might think otherwise.

    But Mr. Marlene...sort of thinks he's a...bad guy and isn't at all bothered that anyone might agree?

    And that's why you can't see your family?

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    I think LM was saying that he behaves in RL the same way as he behaves in game, so it causes issues with her family.

    The not at all was meant to be interpreted as sarcasm.

    -Added the sentient singing cat, helpfully.


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    Maybe Whingey Wizard should take a turn GMing.

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    I remember LM saying Whingey Wizard has GMed before, and that he is “legendary among his friends for overly subtle hints and clues that leave pcs screwed over months later, and, well, not giving you much to go on.”


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    Tequila Sunrise wrote:
    lisamarlene wrote:

    Yeah. But Whingey Wizzard is absolutely convinced he's the Good Guy.

    And he's mortally offended that anyone could possibly misinterpret him.

    Not at all like IRL.

    Which is why we can't go visit my family for Spring Break.

    Confused by the bolded. So, WW is convinced he's a Good Guy and is offended at the idea that someone might think otherwise.

    But Mr. Marlene...sort of thinks he's a...bad guy and isn't at all bothered that anyone might agree?

    And that's why you can't see your family?

    Because this is the only place I can actually say this:

    1. Constantly requiring special accommodation for various personal emergencies that everyone else has to work around that mysteriously change completely by the next visit,
    2. Breaking or damaging things and then not apologizing or making restitution in a way that satisfied (don't ask my sister about her brand new canoe),
    3.getting angry, defensive and wounded when I suggest he might be in the wrong and accusing me of always taking sides against him, and
    4. Somehow always managing to convey the impression in speech and manner that he considers himself better/above my family.

    So, yeah, much the way he behaves in game.


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    Gotcha!

    My sarcasm detector was broken when I read your post, so I read "Not at all like IRL" straight, and was confused.

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    I made a Pathfinder version of the 5e Sharkenbear monster that's been floating around the internet for some time now.

    Sharkenbear! (Pathfinder edition!):
    Sharkenbear CR 6
    NE Huge Undead (augmented animal, aquatic)
    Init +0; Senses darkvision 60 ft., scent; Perception +9

    DEFENSE

    AC 15, touch 10, flat-footed 15 (–2 size, +7 Natural)
    hp 86 (10d8+40)
    Fort +7, Ref +3, Will +8
    Immune: undead traits

    OFFENSE

    Speed 30 ft., swim 40 ft.
    Melee bite +10 (1d10+7 plus grab), 2 bites +8 (1d8+5 plus grab and bleed)
    Space 15 ft.; Reach 10 ft.
    Special Attacks bleed (1d6), blood frenzy

    STATISTICS

    Str 21, Dex 11, Con —, Int 3, Wis 13, Cha 19
    Base Atk +7; CMB +16 (+20 grapple); CMD 22
    Feats: Improved Natural Armor, Improved Natural Attack (bite), Multiattack (B), Power Attack, Snatch, Weapon Focus (bite)
    Skills: Climb +10, Perception +9, Stealth +6 (+16 in water), Swim +13; Racial bonuses: Stealth +10 in water, Swim +8
    SQ: amphibious, blood in the water

    SPECIAL ABILITIES

    Blood Frenzy (Ex): The Sharkenbear gains +2 to attack rolls against any living, corporeal creature at less than full hit points.

    Blood in the Water (Ex): The Sharkenbear gains a +10 bonus on Perception checks to find any living, corporeal creature at less than full hit points when the two are in the same body of water. The Sharkenbear knows the general location of the creature from as far away as one mile and can track it without needing to make a Survival check.

    ECOLOGY

    Environment any land or water
    Organization solitary
    Treasure none


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    Marriage is a powerful thing, and not only in the home.

    Flash a wedding ring and mention a son who plays Pokemon, and I get my ear talked off by a game-store staffer who's been playing since it was a Gameboy game. She was very helpful, but I learned more about pretend Japanese animals than I can remember in one night.


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    We are fonts of useless trivia, us gamers. It merely differs into which wells we dive.


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    Apparently, you use balls to catch them.


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    It's snowing pretty good now. :-)


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    Very active 2 days.

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    Tequila Sunrise wrote:

    Marriage is a powerful thing, and not only in the home.

    Flash a wedding ring and mention a son who plays Pokemon, and I get my ear talked off by a game-store staffer who's been playing since it was a Gameboy game. She was very helpful, but I learned more about pretend Japanese animals than I can remember in one night.

    I have a soft spot for kids too. I tend to run things more rules lite and cartoony when kids are around.

    I can tell you some pokemon basics like electricity is good against flying but I don't understand the nuances of things so I just got a mewtwo to plough through the whole of pokemon yellow version.


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    So I guess this weird symbol spamming poster person is still at it.

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    Well well… I really do NOT know what to say about my PCs at this point.

    Strange Aeons:

    As the party was attacked by lurkers in light which essentially have greater invisibility in bright light, they do not see the lurkers casting blindness systematically on them. The only person they see is a gagged, bound human staked down, who shakes their head to warn them away. The investigator, seeing his party fall prey to blindness and only seeing the man in sight, charge at him, trying to kill him. Resulting in setting off the trap and dumping them both 120ft down onto the forest floor into an acid pit.
    Now they meet with the man in the real world, who of course, tells all his buddies, the Stardust Augurs not to help them.
    They start denying they did nothing wrong, and eventually expect that high diplo rolls will fix everything.

    When it doesn’t they start shooting at the man who was telling his friends about what they did to him in the Dreamlands.

    Wow. So they’re shooting someone because his friends refuse to help them. And complaining when I give them an alignment infraction, shifting their alignment one step down.


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    It's Korean. Flagged as spam all the ones I could find.


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    Looks like they got it.


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    I answered your call to arms to battle against the spambot droppings and have returned victorious.

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