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Just a Mort wrote:

For me I actually don't mind letting players change raw GP into materials. You paid your price in the feat - please feel free to reap the benefits.

Oh I was also denied for using a hound archon with greater teleport to do shopping. Lesser Planar Ally Planar binding, I understand - they can be a little finicky. But Planar ally where the said creature is helpful after you paid the exorbitant costs?

Interesting...

I'd swear I'd read, "PCs who use Planar Ally to call allies for trivial tasks are usually punished by their gods, or the allies do not come at all," somewhere, so I was going to say, "Er, isn't, 'Hey, go shopping!' a trivial task?", but I do not find such verbiage anywhere in the spell, so it seems legit to me.

EDIT: Nekkid again! It's a trend!

The Exchange

I...see what the player has invested in(if they have paid a price)...and also generally try to side with the player though there have been exceptions.


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On a total side note, I'm wondering whether people have a different sense of distances/times or some such.

Every day for my lunch walk I go 3.2 km in 30 minutes, including about 50-100m vertical. Hitting 2.4 km in 15 minutes seems like it's just "hurrying a bit".
In 8th grade I could run a 6-minute mile (1.6 km), and now at 50 10 minutes is still very easy.

On the other hand, everyone complains that I walk too fast. A lifetime of backpacking will do that do you.


In the Military, endurance matters more than raw speed. What good is running if you're too tired to fight afterward?


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John Napier 698 wrote:
In the Military, endurance matters more than raw speed. What good is running if you're too tired to fight afterward?

My favorite story from my Tae Kwon Do days, as related by my instructor:

"There was once a judo sensei. Before every training session, he would make his students run 30 miles. Every single day they would run 30 miles, then train for 2 hours. Eventually, one of his exhausted students asked, 'Sensei? Why do you make us run so far before we fight?'
'Ah, young student! If someone attacks you, run away. Run for 30 miles. If, after 30 miles, they are still chasing you, then turn around and fight them!'"


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Before you criticize them, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you do criticize them, you are a mile away and you have their shoes.


I really do hope that the new guard doesn't get shifted to another site tomorrow, so that I can have tomorrow off. A near-total day of bed rest to deal with this cold sounds good right now.


Sissyl wrote:
Before you criticize them, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you do criticize them, you are a mile away and you have their shoes.

:D


NobodysHome wrote:

On a total side note, I'm wondering whether people have a different sense of distances/times or some such.

Every day for my lunch walk I go 3.2 km in 30 minutes, including about 50-100m vertical. Hitting 2.4 km in 15 minutes seems like it's just "hurrying a bit".
In 8th grade I could run a 6-minute mile (1.6 km), and now at 50 10 minutes is still very easy.

On the other hand, everyone complains that I walk too fast. A lifetime of backpacking will do that do you.

My long term definition of close distance: I can walk there and come back home within the same day without blood filling my shoes.


I walk pretty fast.


I am currently standing in 1/6th a scint of snow. Ai
I think.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:

For me I actually don't mind letting players change raw GP into materials. You paid your price in the feat - please feel free to reap the benefits.

Oh I was also denied for using a hound archon with greater teleport to do shopping. Lesser Planar Ally Planar binding, I understand - they can be a little finicky. But Planar ally where the said creature is helpful after you paid the exorbitant costs?

Interesting...

I'd swear I'd read, "PCs who use Planar Ally to call allies for trivial tasks are usually punished by their gods, or the allies do not come at all," somewhere, so I was going to say, "Er, isn't, 'Hey, go shopping!' a trivial task?", but I do not find such verbiage anywhere in the spell, so it seems legit to me.

EDIT: Nekkid again! It's a trend!

Or the manifestation of a mid-life crisis.

(hashtag fifty)


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lisamarlene wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

EDIT: Nekkid again! It's a trend!

Or the manifestation of a mid-life crisis.

(hashtag fifty)

Under that premise, I believe NH will also be riding around town in a new convertible sports car with far more power than he can possibly use on Bay Area streets...nekkid...


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Vanykrye wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

EDIT: Nekkid again! It's a trend!

Or the manifestation of a mid-life crisis.

(hashtag fifty)
Under that premise, I believe NH will also be riding around town in a new convertible sports car with far more power than he can possibly use on Bay Area streets...nekkid...

Sounds like a plan!

Now, what did Shiro do with that Alfa Romeo...?


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One of my brothers got a Tesla recently.


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I believe we were promised hoverboards and time traveling locomotives by now.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:

Meh. Nothing like a quiet afternoon for some philosophy.

Now many people have asked me why I am that RAW, or that lawful. Or stiff and rigid, depending on how you interpret it.

Here are my reasons:

Chances are, if you started playing D&D – someone would have passed you a CRB, or maybe some online version of a CRB, telling you to get familiar with the rules. So you would have read the book.
Imagine going to another table, where the rules are not applied as you read them. Wouldn’t you feel like you just wasted your time reading all that stuff? By reading the rules, you would have an implicit expectation that they would be put into use…just to be proven wrong. Would it be unfair to you? Yes.

I understand as I GM, that many things are not covered in the rules. The GM has to make a decision on the fly.When that happens, well it happens, and it’s to the whim and fancy of the GM whether he/she decides in your favour or not. I hate having to do that, because I know I have not had much experience with D&D compared to the rest of the world. I try to make things as fair and equitable as possible, but alas, I am not infallible. (Much as I’d like to be) And I know it as well.

And I am afraid that my inexperience will cause me to make an unfair judgement. That is why on my table, I prefer to stick to rules as written – so if anyone asks – we’ll all start from common ground – the CRB that we were all told to read when we first started playing.

As a GM should you make a houserule – it is for you to remember that houserule in play and make sure you apply it all the time, or it would be not equitable. And also – as a GM – how sure are you that by making the house rule, you’re not causing another problem by unbalancing power levels between players? Or screwing some player over?

So, while those reasons are all well and good, they assume a certain level of trust and cooperation between the GM and the players. As soon as you get a "RAWyer" player, the comfort level with "RAW" goes out the window as they come up with ludicrous arguments such as "a gesture is not a command", or, "You can take actions when you're dead because the rules don't specifically forbid it."

The rules aren't written as a lawbook, hence many of them are open to multiple interpretations. There are many, many, MANY players who want to exploit this to decide every possible ambiguity in favor of the player.

And when you as a GM invoke RAI instead of RAW, those selfsame players act hurt and betrayed that you're no longer playing "by the rules".

Just one such player at your table can make you decide that GMing is no longer worth the trouble. The "fun" of kicking the player, or of dealing with the player's poor attitude is exhausting.

I strongly prefer a table where we just play the game, and if a rule is unclear, we decide what seems most reasonable at the time and look it up later.

I believe the consensus achieved by countless real-world and forum debates is "House rules are legit, but it's on the DM to think them through, make them known to players, and apply them consistently as house RAW. If the DM feels the need to house rule a character option mid-campaign, players using that option should have the option to retrain, rebuild, or even restart with a new character."

"And as always, be considerate to others and remember that no gaming is better than bad gaming -- DMs have the option to boot awful players, and players have the option to leave awful DMs."

Dark Archive

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Freehold DM wrote:
SNOOOOOOOOOOOW DAAAAAAAAAAAY

I had to use my Imperial Officer boots to get to the office today Freehold.


Dead is a condition in Starfinder, so what you can do when you're dead is plainly spelled out.


Rosita the Riveter wrote:
How the hell did anybody fight at Agincourt? I don't think I could muster the footwork to do anything resembling fighting in this mud.

It is called difficult terrain for a reason.


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Well, false modesty aside, sometimes being the senior technical member of your department is a bit... er... embarrassing...

I'm supposed to be writing up course proposals for all my courses. This is very, very, VERY boring work. So I've been goofing off and trying to do anything other than work on them. (Yes, posting to Paizo is technically "goofing off".)

So, being the technical lead, my manager's trying to wrap up all the emergencies and show-stoppers from last year before our next release.
Manager: "Hey, NobodysHome! We've been frozen on this for 2 weeks now. Would you mind taking a look at it?"
(Yay! Distraction!)
3-4 hours of testing and diagnoses later...
"As far as I can tell, you need a server reboot for this profile option to get implemented. That matches all the behavior I'm seeing. Can you check with the PM?"
PM: "Confirmed. NobodysHome is correct."
Manager: "Thank you, NobodysHome!"

A short while later
Manager: "Hey, NobodysHome! It looks like this whole section of the application is messed up. Can you take a look?"
(Yay! Distraction!)
It takes a disappointing 20 minutes to realize the security settings are all messed up, and it's not a "problem" other than "user error"
"Here's the fix."
Manager: "Thank you, NobodysHome!"

A short while later
Manager: "Hey, NobodysHome! I have another issue for you..."

So I've been getting to fool around all day solving "easy" problems that are in my wheelhouse, all along postponing the work that I hate. I consider that "slacking".

And my manager can't stop thanking me and gushing about how helpful I've been.

Win-win, I guess?


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Right now, it's snowing here in Pittsburgh. Not quite heavy enough to be a blizzard, though that may come later. Thank you, Freehold. That's quite enough.


Send all the snow my way. The Midwest could use a reminder of what winters used to be like in the late '70s and early '80s.


Give me snow or give me warmth.

The Exchange

I would have a lot more stamina if I chose to run at a slower pace. Like if I were to run at 8/8.5 km/h, I suppose I could keep it up for 30 min, or at 8km/h, maybe 45min or maybe an hour.

But since the point was to conform to some test standard, so you push yourself to do it.


John Napier 698 wrote:
Right now, it's snowing here in Pittsburgh. Not quite heavy enough to be a blizzard, though that may come later. Thank you, Freehold. That's quite enough.

keep going? Okay.


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
SNOOOOOOOOOOOW DAAAAAAAAAAAY
I had to use my Imperial Officer boots to get to the office today Freehold.

No need to thank me...

The Exchange

My standard walking pace would probably be 4km/h. Stubby paws you know. I mean it isn't really much of a competition if each stride you take covers 1.5 the distance of mine....

Harsh truth but yeah thats it.


Just a Mort wrote:

My standard walking pace would probably be 4km/h. Stubby paws you know. I mean it isn't really much of a competition if each stride you take covers 1.5 the distance of mine....

Harsh truth but yeah thats it.

Er, I stand at a whopping 167 cm. I've just always had to walk fast to keep up with my parents. So I still do...


I'm 5'7"

The Exchange

I'm 5'1. Sorry I thought you and hi were the same height(190 cm etc).

But nah I'm not a fast walker. You want my uncle for that - he goes for brisk walking competitions.

BTW my paws ache from running too fast yesterday. I knew I forgot about something...

The Exchange

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Tequila Sunrise - I wonder if I am more suited to be at the GM side of the screen really.

Nonetheless the last time I ran a recruitment I didn't get many responses. Again the rules were a little out of whack(gestalt).

In my defense, I will say I did what I had to do(something I use quite a bit). I knew I was new to PBP, even though I have GMed some in RL.

So I knew that I might not be able to cope with running for a full party at one go - since I apply rules, every single nuance to as exacting detail as I can make it.

That's why I asked for a single, gestalt character. I also did playtest that scenario myself as a gestalt character successfully (don't send someone to do something you can't do yourself).

I understand that on the forum you have a reputation. So since it was my first time running PBP, I had no campaigns as a GM as well and I would imagine potential players would have eyed that and not even considered the recruitment thread.

Anyway, my recruitments are still a private affair, where I prize player activity above all(I'm always in a freaking hurry), since I don't want to read their novella length backstories, and track a whole bunch of players for their posting activity.


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Oh, we always had a blast: We'd go to Forbidden Island (an awesome tiki bar in Alameda), Hi (6'3") and Shiro (6'4") would get plastered, and we'd then walk the 2 miles to Tucker's Ice Cream on Park Street. They'd get on either side of me and lean on me for support. So we called it the "twin (staggering) towers". Hi stopped getting as tipsy after a while, and it's a LOT harder to keep one person of that height stable.

And yes, amusing side note about my Lawful nature: I never drank in public. So in spite of being an alcoholic averaging 5-6 drinks a day, I never drank outside of my own home, because I didn't want to endanger myself nor anyone else. So the alcoholic was always the designated driver. Whee?

The Exchange

You guys are crazy =) But I don't drive so I'm perfectly happy drinking in public =)

At least Hi and Shiro didn't flatten you ;)


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NobodysHome wrote:

Oh, we always had a blast: We'd go to Forbidden Island (an awesome tiki bar in Alameda), Hi (6'3") and Shiro (6'4") would get plastered, and we'd then walk the 2 miles to Tucker's Ice Cream on Park Street. They'd get on either side of me and lean on me for support. So we called it the "twin (staggering) towers". Hi stopped getting as tipsy after a while, and it's a LOT harder to keep one person of that height stable.

And yes, amusing side note about my Lawful nature: I never drank in public. So in spite of being an alcoholic averaging 5-6 drinks a day, I never drank outside of my own home, because I didn't want to endanger myself nor anyone else. So the alcoholic was always the designated driver. Whee?

please kick hi and shiro in the shins for me, for the sin of being taller than me.


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It's not really the snow I'm worried about. Too much snow will become ice and the city's mass transit will stop. No buses will run, and I can either stay in the garage office, with no emergency winter supplies, or try to walk home. Three hours or so in severe wind chill conditions, all uphill.

The Exchange

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And you're having a cold. I think I'd stay indoors if I were you. You don't want to get pneumonia you know.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Words fail me.

My first thought when I read the article was that these people clearly needed to play more Oregon Trail when they were growing up.

>>You have died from dysentery<<

Then again, I'm also a horrible person with a twisted sense of humor, so there's that...


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Just heard from Tac. He's super-busy right now, but he'll post when he can.


Orthos wrote:
I'm with you on the light sensitivity actually. It's one of the many reasons I like cloudy days.

Me too! I get sunburned on cloudy days. :/

And I have to wear transition lenses because otherwise I'm squinting all the time because the world is too bright.
On the flip side, I can see really well in the dark. Not actual dark vision. More like low light vision. And yes, I can see colors and details in nothing more than moonlight. Color gets a bit muted in just starlight. What my husband thinks of as pitch black is bright as day to me, but he can't see very well in the dark at all.


lynora wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Words fail me.

My first thought when I read the article was that these people clearly needed to play more Oregon Trail when they were growing up.

>>You have died from dysentery<<

Then again, I'm also a horrible person with a twisted sense of humor, so there's that...

We played it in grade school here. It was an aborted attempt at combining a history lesson with a lesson on how to use computers.

They didn't continue it because we set up a contest to see how long a family could survive with nothing but enough ammunition to wage a small war. One of my classmates made it nearly to the end of the game before the teachers figured out what was going on and pulled the plug on the combined lesson.

The Exchange

I don't get sunburned but I don't get low light/dark vision either. I just get all the drawbacks without any benefits.

*grumbles and sulks in a corner*

Maybe I should go for eating more carrots...


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Tacticslion wrote:

Good night, all, and Merry Christmas, again!

Good night, gran (and anyone else) trying to make me behind, or just in a posting frenzy for fun or whatever!

Wouldn't it be awful, if he'd died and this was, like, the last thing he'd ever said?!

(I'm fine, by the way, sorry for worrying anyone who was. I'm a little short on time, at present, so not much else for updates, other than we're fine, life is hectic, and life's good.)


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Sharoth wrote:
Awesome D & D story.

This is an awesome story, and one I want to incorporate one day, and ohmygoshyouguysgotmepostingIdonothavetimeforthis-

The Exchange

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Yeah Christmas is a time you spend with your family, so you're forgiven =)

Heck if I'm blowing up imaginary monsters with my brother in path of exile, I ain't posting here either.


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I have zero tolerance for drunk driving, I won't even drive after one drink.

But I live in a college town there's literally a bar every 2-3 blocks.

If I wanted to I could bar hop all the way downtown.


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Tacticslion wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:

Good night, all, and Merry Christmas, again!

Good night, gran (and anyone else) trying to make me behind, or just in a posting frenzy for fun or whatever!
Wouldn't it be awful, if he'd died and this was, like, the last thing he'd ever said?!

Depends. Did I manage to soul jar him first? Because I can hook one of those up to a laptop and guarantee that it's far from the last thing he'd say ;)


gran rey de los mono wrote:
What did the policeman say to his bellybutton? "You're under a vest!"

Do... are... police... known... for... vests?

AGHISTILLDON'THAVETIMEFORTHIS


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Terrinam wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:

Good night, all, and Merry Christmas, again!

Good night, gran (and anyone else) trying to make me behind, or just in a posting frenzy for fun or whatever!
Wouldn't it be awful, if he'd died and this was, like, the last thing he'd ever said?!
Depends. Did I manage to soul jar him first? Because I can hook one of those up to a laptop and guarantee that it's far from the last thing he'd say ;)

Man, if only I had simulacrum as an at-will SLA (any 3.X version), I wouldn't have to put up with this nonsense!

... dang it FaWtL I got kids to feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.


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Just a Mort wrote:
Oh yes some things are worth spending the extra buck for. Which reminds me, I really should get my walking shoes mended. They got worn a little thin on the soles. The last time my cobbler asked me what took me so long before I finally decided to get my shoes mended...

Jealous that you have a cobbler nearby. The ones here all closed up. I've had to learn how to repair my own shoes, which is inconvenient at best.

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