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Just a Mort wrote:
Here's one (stamp shop)

actually those are common. this is what I am talking about.


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sighs, helicopters


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Orthos wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
Do you mean mention the rules as in "hey man don't do that" or as in "fire a warning shot with the flaming bike cannon and pray our aim actually works as a warning shot and not a TKO"?
Both? Both. Both is good.

You guys are just going to have to shoot yourselves with flaming bikes this week, I'm entirely too busy.

"No, ma'am, we don't have that toy you just made up in your head..."


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OKAY!


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Just a Mort wrote:
Mozzarella, Brie, Cambert, Cheddar, Gouda is fine. Parmesan is too strong. And I don't do the stinky blue!

~shakes my head sadly~ You just bleu it.


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First plagiarism of the semester!

ಠ_ಠ


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Scintillae wrote:

First plagiarism of the semester!

ಠ_ಠ

Punish severely, dread lady.


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Scintillae wrote:

First plagiarism of the semester!

ಠ_ಠ

Let me guess. Copy and Paste?

Also, Good morning, everyone.


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The worst part is, the rest of the paper wasn't bad. It was just a very jarring shift for one paragraph.


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Scintillae wrote:
The worst part is, the rest of the paper wasn't bad. It was just a very jarring shift for one paragraph.

one paragraph? An editing error maybe?


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It's astounding. Some of them just don't believe that we can tell when they've done it. The ones I've caught this year have at least owned up to it, but some of them will argue.


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Maybe he was in too great a hurry, because ... Christmas?


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Freehold DM wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
The worst part is, the rest of the paper wasn't bad. It was just a very jarring shift for one paragraph.
one paragraph? An editing error maybe?

If they'd bothered to cite the source, I might have allowed it, but it was word for word, unsourced from a site breaking down the argument he was trying to create for that paragraph.


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Mm. Maybe it was a mistake? You are the teacher, I guess you would know.


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Scintillae wrote:

It's astounding. Some of them just don't believe that we can tell when they've done it. The ones I've caught this year have at least owned up to it, but some of them will argue.

And that, dear friends, is the superpower that all teachers share.


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Scintillae wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
The worst part is, the rest of the paper wasn't bad. It was just a very jarring shift for one paragraph.
one paragraph? An editing error maybe?
If they'd bothered to cite the source, I might have allowed it, but it was word for word, unsourced from a site breaking down the argument he was trying to create for that paragraph.

i guess you got him. Seems weird though.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Mm. Maybe it was a mistake? You are the teacher, I guess you would know.

This is why I pull the kids aside to ask.

"Hey, this sounds remarkably like SparkNotes and nothing like the rest of your paper."
"Yeah, it's amazing."
"ಠ_ಠ"
"......yeah I did it."


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John Napier 698 wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

It's astounding. Some of them just don't believe that we can tell when they've done it. The ones I've caught this year have at least owned up to it, but some of them will argue.

And that, dear friends, is the superpower that all teachers share.

Superpower.

It's like reading through Shakespeare and having this happen.

But soft! What light through yonder window breaks? It is the east, and Juliet is lookin' fiiiiiiiine.


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It's quite noticeable is my point.


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Scintillae wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Mm. Maybe it was a mistake? You are the teacher, I guess you would know.

This is why I pull the kids aside to ask.

"Hey, this sounds remarkably like SparkNotes and nothing like the rest of your paper."
"Yeah, it's amazing."
"ಠ_ಠ"
"......yeah I did it."

why do I get the feeling that my last words in your class as a student would be, "But Ms. Scint--!"


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Thing is, I usually give them one shot to fix it; zero stands until they resumbit. But the semester ends tomorrow, so I don't think that's an option this time.


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Potluck lunch for study hall today. Should be interesting.


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Scintillae wrote:
Thing is, I usually give them one shot to fix it; zero stands until they resumbit. But the semester ends tomorrow, so I don't think that's an option this time.

...It is an option! I did not think they would take the opportunity, but there may be hope!

The Exchange

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Achievement unlocked: Let Tequilia Sunrise spectate me playing HS! =D


Limeylongears wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
Mozzarella, Brie, Cambert, Cheddar, Gouda is fine. Parmesan is too strong. And I don't do the stinky blue!
You're missing out!

Indeed!


Orthos wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
Do you mean mention the rules as in "hey man don't do that" or as in "fire a warning shot with the flaming bike cannon and pray our aim actually works as a warning shot and not a TKO"?
Both? Both. Both is good.

Yeah, either-or, really.


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John Napier 698 wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

It's astounding. Some of them just don't believe that we can tell when they've done it. The ones I've caught this year have at least owned up to it, but some of them will argue.

And that, dear friends, is the superpower that all teachers share.

I have to agree with Scint; it's not so much a superpower as the kids that do it are so, so, SOOOOOO bad at it.

I was a frigging math professor, but when I taught a January term entitled, "Research and the Web", you'd think that the students would know that I'd, y'know, use the web to check for plagiarism. Especially considering we spent several sessions on the difference between quoting and citing a source and out-and-out plagiarism. But no, I'd start reading, and a sentence or paragraph would be jarringly out-of-place with the rest of the essay, I'd Google the sentence, and sure enough, find good chunks of the paper copy-and-pasted verbatim.

The worst was a poor South Korean kid -- absolute genius at math, got over 100% in the math classes he took from me, but ended up failing this course because he could not comprehend that copying-and-pasting was not allowed. We had multiple meetings and included the dean and another higher-up. We had a translator work with him to explain that in the U.S., you could not copy-and-paste content from the web and call it your own. And he just kept doing it.

Weird.


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Rosita the Riveter wrote:
I demand a test of character. I decree that you shall find the means by which the Spanish Inquisition may be accurately predicted. Then, and only then, will you have proved yourself worthy.

That's easy. Steal the script from John Cleese.


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That was meant as a joke. There's no personal superpowers, they don't exist.


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NobodysHome wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

It's astounding. Some of them just don't believe that we can tell when they've done it. The ones I've caught this year have at least owned up to it, but some of them will argue.

And that, dear friends, is the superpower that all teachers share.

I have to agree with Scint; it's not so much a superpower as the kids that do it are so, so, SOOOOOO bad at it.

I was a frigging math professor, but when I taught a January term entitled, "Research and the Web", you'd think that the students would know that I'd, y'know, use the web to check for plagiarism. Especially considering we spent several sessions on the difference between quoting and citing a source and out-and-out plagiarism. But no, I'd start reading, and a sentence or paragraph would be jarringly out-of-place with the rest of the essay, I'd Google the sentence, and sure enough, find good chunks of the paper copy-and-pasted verbatim.

The worst was a poor South Korean kid -- absolute genius at math, got over 100% in the math classes he took from me, but ended up failing this course because he could not comprehend that copying-and-pasting was not allowed. We had multiple meetings and included the dean and another higher-up. We had a translator work with him to explain that in the U.S., you could not copy-and-paste content from the web and call it your own. And he just kept doing it.

Weird.

Weird. Or idiot savant at math who's just too damn stupid to get it.

You know. It all is a matter of perspective.


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NobodysHome wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

It's astounding. Some of them just don't believe that we can tell when they've done it. The ones I've caught this year have at least owned up to it, but some of them will argue.

And that, dear friends, is the superpower that all teachers share.

I have to agree with Scint; it's not so much a superpower as the kids that do it are so, so, SOOOOOO bad at it.

I was a frigging math professor, but when I taught a January term entitled, "Research and the Web", you'd think that the students would know that I'd, y'know, use the web to check for plagiarism. Especially considering we spent several sessions on the difference between quoting and citing a source and out-and-out plagiarism. But no, I'd start reading, and a sentence or paragraph would be jarringly out-of-place with the rest of the essay, I'd Google the sentence, and sure enough, find good chunks of the paper copy-and-pasted verbatim.

The worst was a poor South Korean kid -- absolute genius at math, got over 100% in the math classes he took from me, but ended up failing this course because he could not comprehend that copying-and-pasting was not allowed. We had multiple meetings and included the dean and another higher-up. We had a translator work with him to explain that in the U.S., you could not copy-and-paste content from the web and call it your own. And he just kept doing it.

Weird.

My favorites are when they don't even bother to fix the typeface.

"What do you mean it's plagiarized?"
"Your essay is in Times New Roman. This is Arial and about three sizes smaller."
"So?"
"And it has a weird yellow highlight."
"What does that have to do with anything?"

ಠ_ಠ


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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
Rosita the Riveter wrote:
I demand a test of character. I decree that you shall find the means by which the Spanish Inquisition may be accurately predicted. Then, and only then, will you have proved yourself worthy.
That's easy. Steal the script from John Cleese.

And bring us a shrubbery. Nothing too expensive, and one that looks nice. Or else, you shall be eternally tormented by having NII yelled at you, both day and night, 'til you relent.


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Wow. Gotta call the Sofa King, We Todd Ed, to help on that one, Scint.

You said middle school, right?

That's not too early to sterilize someone and make sure their genes don't enter the greater pool for the future, right?


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There needs to be a law that Trans-Siberian Orchestra is not allowed to make non-Christmas music. They need another moniker for this other tripe that they are marketing under this trademark. It can be all the same people or whatever, but it is messing up my holiday zen.

Or, barring this, spotify needs a check box that says: real TSO or just whatever someone put a TSO label on.


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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:

Wow. Gotta call the Sofa King, We Todd Ed, to help on that one, Scint.

You said middle school, right?

That's not too early to sterilize someone and make sure their genes don't enter the greater pool for the future, right?

Actually not a problem I've had this year, but I have had it in the past. I've...had some interesting assignments through the years, which led to one of my favorite conversations regarding research.

"On the subject of satire, if I ever see you cite The Onion for a research paper, you will fail."
"What if it's research on satire?"
"I may allow it."
"Miss, didn't you say that every rule exists because someone made it have to exist?"
"Yes."
"......WHO WAS IT?!"
"Not at this school. Sit down."


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Only four essays have not been turned in!!!!!!


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Fritzy, Flaming Bike Artillery wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
Do you mean mention the rules as in "hey man don't do that" or as in "fire a warning shot with the flaming bike cannon and pray our aim actually works as a warning shot and not a TKO"?
Both? Both. Both is good.

You guys are just going to have to shoot yourselves with flaming bikes this week, I'm entirely too busy.

"No, ma'am, we don't have that toy you just made up in your head..."

I hath the following flaming implements:

* Tactical spork
* Spadone
* Sinclair-hilted dussack
* Stuffed otter
* Khandar
* Corseque
* Beef Stroganoff
* Crocheted g-string

And am willing to act as an stand-inne hamster for ye duration of mery Yuletide, should itte be necesarie.


Need to update my PbP. Seems my last update didn't go through, and it's been sitting there, since. Blurg.

Also need to post on Tzasis again... Hrm... Wondering if I should post on GM secrets.


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NobodysHome wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

It's astounding. Some of them just don't believe that we can tell when they've done it. The ones I've caught this year have at least owned up to it, but some of them will argue.

And that, dear friends, is the superpower that all teachers share.

I have to agree with Scint; it's not so much a superpower as the kids that do it are so, so, SOOOOOO bad at it.

I was a frigging math professor, but when I taught a January term entitled, "Research and the Web", you'd think that the students would know that I'd, y'know, use the web to check for plagiarism. Especially considering we spent several sessions on the difference between quoting and citing a source and out-and-out plagiarism. But no, I'd start reading, and a sentence or paragraph would be jarringly out-of-place with the rest of the essay, I'd Google the sentence, and sure enough, find good chunks of the paper copy-and-pasted verbatim.

The worst was a poor South Korean kid -- absolute genius at math, got over 100% in the math classes he took from me, but ended up failing this course because he could not comprehend that copying-and-pasting was not allowed. We had multiple meetings and included the dean and another higher-up. We had a translator work with him to explain that in the U.S., you could not copy-and-paste content from the web and call it your own. And he just kept doing it.

Weird.

wife went through issues with this when in school not too long ago. Massive cultural divide with respect to plagarism. So many asian kids did. Not. Get. It.


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Speaking of last night's game (which I have to write up at some point today), I think one of my bad guys set a record for, "Most rounds of disabling a PC while lying unconscious and bleeding to death on the floor."

Impus Minor's PC got Charmed, but then the caster got knocked to negative HP. She kept failing her save and lay there bleeding to death, while he kept failing his Heal check, so he couldn't save her either. Round after round, he just sat there biffing Heal checks.

If I knew my bad guys could be that effective while bleeding to death, I'd have more of 'em do it!


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

It's astounding. Some of them just don't believe that we can tell when they've done it. The ones I've caught this year have at least owned up to it, but some of them will argue.

And that, dear friends, is the superpower that all teachers share.

I have to agree with Scint; it's not so much a superpower as the kids that do it are so, so, SOOOOOO bad at it.

I was a frigging math professor, but when I taught a January term entitled, "Research and the Web", you'd think that the students would know that I'd, y'know, use the web to check for plagiarism. Especially considering we spent several sessions on the difference between quoting and citing a source and out-and-out plagiarism. But no, I'd start reading, and a sentence or paragraph would be jarringly out-of-place with the rest of the essay, I'd Google the sentence, and sure enough, find good chunks of the paper copy-and-pasted verbatim.

The worst was a poor South Korean kid -- absolute genius at math, got over 100% in the math classes he took from me, but ended up failing this course because he could not comprehend that copying-and-pasting was not allowed. We had multiple meetings and included the dean and another higher-up. We had a translator work with him to explain that in the U.S., you could not copy-and-paste content from the web and call it your own. And he just kept doing it.

Weird.

wife went through issues with this when in school not too long ago. Massive cultural divide with respect to plagarism. So many asian kids did. Not. Get. It.

Yeah, that is absolutely true. But what's astonishing is that you can say, "This is not legal in this country," and they still do it.

I know chewing gum is illegal in Singapore. It's a very odd law, but if I were to travel to Singapore, I wouldn't chew gum.

So it's a combination of, "This rule is alien to me," and, "I cannot not do it."

Our meetings were all about how many Asian cultures focus on, "Find the answer, copy it, and give it to the teacher," so anti-plagiarism rules go directly against what they were taught to do. I'm just surprised they have so much trouble grokking that it's very different in the U.S.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Speaking of last night's game (which I have to write up at some point today), I think one of my bad guys set a record for, "Most rounds of disabling a PC while lying unconscious and bleeding to death on the floor."

Impus Minor's PC got Charmed, but then the caster got knocked to negative HP. She kept failing her save and lay there bleeding to death, while he kept failing his Heal check, so he couldn't save her either. Round after round, he just sat there biffing Heal checks.

If I knew my bad guys could be that effective while bleeding to death, I'd have more of 'em do it!

He should've tried to heal check the baddie. "You roll so badly that you attempt to tourniquet his neck."


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Scintillae wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Speaking of last night's game (which I have to write up at some point today), I think one of my bad guys set a record for, "Most rounds of disabling a PC while lying unconscious and bleeding to death on the floor."

Impus Minor's PC got Charmed, but then the caster got knocked to negative HP. She kept failing her save and lay there bleeding to death, while he kept failing his Heal check, so he couldn't save her either. Round after round, he just sat there biffing Heal checks.

If I knew my bad guys could be that effective while bleeding to death, I'd have more of 'em do it!

He should've tried to heal check the baddie. "You roll so badly that you attempt to tourniquet his neck."

We have a house rule that if you roll a natural 1 on your Heal check, and that brings the result to under 5, then you accidentally kill the person you're trying to save. Since his Heal skill was at +0, he was desperately trolling for a 1 so he could get back to the combat.


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Just a Mort wrote:
I didn't answer to Terrinam's question because I wasn't sure if he was a political thread poster who would post political stuff and get this thread locked. Some people were talking overnight about some people who posted political stuff on obama.

I assumed this was a pure social topic. As in, don't post politics period. I've been looking for one I would feel comfortable talking in.


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It's 42 degrees and sunny outside, I was barefoot without a jacket in my backyard for a full twenty minutes before I remembered it was winter.

Life is good.


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Terrinam wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
I didn't answer to Terrinam's question because I wasn't sure if he was a political thread poster who would post political stuff and get this thread locked. Some people were talking overnight about some people who posted political stuff on obama.
I assumed this was a pure social topic. As in, don't post politics period. I've been looking for one I would feel comfortable talking in.

Go nuts! We're not here to judge you.

Gets out fictitious scorecard, pulls out an imaginary pen, puts on "invisible" reading glasses, and adjusts an all too real (and incredibly expensive) powdered wig that was purchased on EBay.


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Should be an interesting couple of hours; they've got me supervising board games.


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Terrinam wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
I didn't answer to Terrinam's question because I wasn't sure if he was a political thread poster who would post political stuff and get this thread locked. Some people were talking overnight about some people who posted political stuff on obama.
I assumed this was a pure social topic. As in, don't post politics period. I've been looking for one I would feel comfortable talking in.

Welcome!

And since Freehold and Tac are grossly remiss in their duties (*ahem*), and trusting Captain Yesterday to describe rules is just an invitation to chaos unimaginable, here we go:

(1) Calling this sea of random thoughts "pure" anything indicates an optimism I find delightful.
(2) No politics.
(3) No sports.
(4) Posting at the top of a page renders you naked.
(5) I'm old.

OK. Maybe #5 isn't a rule, but still...


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Speaking of which, anyone else here joined AARP yet? I got a nice tote bag and everything. And I have to admit, getting their e-mails and letters makes me feel wanted.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Terrinam wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
I didn't answer to Terrinam's question because I wasn't sure if he was a political thread poster who would post political stuff and get this thread locked. Some people were talking overnight about some people who posted political stuff on obama.
I assumed this was a pure social topic. As in, don't post politics period. I've been looking for one I would feel comfortable talking in.

Welcome!

And since Freehold and Tac are grossly remiss in their duties (*ahem*), and trusting Captain Yesterday to describe rules is just an invitation to chaos unimaginable, here we go:

(1) Calling this sea of random thoughts "pure" anything indicates an optimism I find delightful.
(2) No politics.
(3) No sports.
(4) Posting at the top of a page renders you naked.
(5) I'm old.

OK. Maybe #5 isn't a rule, but still...

Rules addendum: No one really understands European politics (or, as it's commonly referred to in Europe "Futball") or sports ("Flibberdegibit") so as long as you're not too obvious you can usually get away with it.

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