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Contrivancecougar wrote:
What he said is accurate in my experience^^

I'm. I'm, um. I'm working under the presupposition that you mean learning morality from games, not betraying those whooped you for power.

>.>

EDIT: *gets dressed*


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More so that I've noticed people do show their personal morality when they play games even if they don't mean too.

-naked lion


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This is starting to sound political...

Oh what the heck, it's been awhile, and I need to warm up...

Fires barrage of flaming bikes.


So! iZombie has a season three!

Starts off pretty okay!

... except for the DAGGUM NEEDLESS DRAMA. Ugh, Peyton, Ravi, just... just... stop. Okay? Just... stop.

Both of you.


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I hardly think a TV show would have needless drama.


There is a difference between drama and needless drama. iZ-S3 is rather firmly engaging in the latter. It's annoying.


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Sharoth wrote:

RIP Hiromi Tsuru

This is more for Freehold DM, since he is such a huge anime fan.

;_; Freehold's not the only one.


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Signs that today is the Apocalypse:

(1) Both NobodysWife and I have the day off.

(2) Both of the kids are in school.

(3) Nobody is sick.

(4) We have no set plans.

I expect a trip to the ER by somebody any time now...


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Just a Mort wrote:

TL, undertale, really? I watched the lets play pictures of it and wondered if I could complete the full genocide route.

I mean in MOTB I did the fully evil ending where you om nom nom nom, just to see it, but it made me feel rather sick doing so.

Like kicking kittens and puppies.

But the fact I could still do it probably says some uncomplimentary things on what I really am inside.

I will unabashedly admit that there is quite some undertale influences in the things I run.

bring it on.

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NobodysHome wrote:

Signs that today is the Apocalypse:

(1) Both NobodysWife and I have the day off.

(2) Both of the kids are in school.

(3) Nobody is sick.

(4) We have no set plans.

I expect a trip to the ER by somebody any time now...

>.<

Get well soon, man.

Shadow Lodge

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Tacticslion wrote:
There is a difference between drama and needless drama. iZ-S3 is rather firmly engaging in the latter. It's annoying.

To put it a tad more accurately:

The purpose of drama in storytelling is to instigate conflict. There is conflict that adds to characterization and forwards the plot. And there is conflict that reduces characterization and slows or halts the plot, usually because the writer mistakenly believes it to be the former sort of conflict when it very much is not.

This sounds like the latter.


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Airport of delight,
A sip of joy,
Wash now.

Join the cruise ship of pure happiness
Give it a playful smack
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Join the sausage fest;
Unleash the lava.

Leaking girls JOIN,
Despite you feeling lonely.
I'm gonna break your d*ck off.

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Uncovered coquettes
Bright emotions

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Uncovered coquettes
Bright emotions

Fans will write poems about this site.


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Orthos wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Signs that today is the Apocalypse:

(1) Both NobodysWife and I have the day off.

(2) Both of the kids are in school.

(3) Nobody is sick.

(4) We have no set plans.

I expect a trip to the ER by somebody any time now...

>.<

Get well soon, man.

I think he was saying nobody as in plural and not the third person.


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That's what I read as well.


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To be fair to Orthos, I had to read it twice to figure it out, with Nobody capitalized and all (as is correct, but confusing when it could also be a name).

Shadow Lodge

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Dagnabbit


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NobodysHome wrote:

Signs that today is the Apocalypse:

(1) Both NobodysWife and I have the day off.

(2) Both of the kids are in school.

(3) Nobody is sick.

(4) We have no set plans.

I expect a trip to the ER by somebody any time now...

send nurse outfit to Nobodyswife


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captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Signs that today is the Apocalypse:

(1) Both NobodysWife and I have the day off.

(2) Both of the kids are in school.

(3) Nobody is sick.

(4) We have no set plans.

I expect a trip to the ER by somebody any time now...

>.<

Get well soon, man.

I think he was saying nobody as in plural and not the third person.

recalls nurse outfit, sends NobodysHome confused, frustrated goth guy outfit instead


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LOL. Wow. Poor choice of names, eh?

"No one in the house is sick," meaning we can actually go out to lunch together and be sociable like a couple and everything.

What a concept! :-O


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Signs of winter.

When 51 degrees feels really f+!!ing warm.


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Tacticslion wrote:

WOOOOOOOO~!!! Happy back-from-cruise and happy lifetime!

Last week Inwas delirious with a fever, but my wife decided to stick with me anyway (and, as it turns out, is a super-hot nerd)!

Thanks, glad you're feeling (mostly?) better!

Also, woot for super-hot nerd wives, I love mine. :D


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captain yesterday wrote:
Crookshanks is also getting a solid B in all of her classes despite turning in a little over 50% of her homework (54% I believe).

I feel like the fact her school is awarding her a B for that little work is more worthy of concern than her first date.

Or at least equivalent concern.


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gran rey de los mono wrote:
Ahh, the joys of playing Hearthstone at work. I was winning a match, then had to deal with a walk-in, missed two turns, and lost.

Oh, that was you! Thanks for the turnaround win. ;)


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On the topic of Undertale, I do not get it.

I mean, the homunculi love it -- and they love talking about it, even when they know the wife and I have never played it, and have no idea what they're talking about -- and maybe I'd love it if I played it.

But a game with retro graphics that fails to reset events after starting a new game sounds like a glitchy low-budget novelty game, which puts it somewhere between 'organize the garage' and 'clip my toe nails' on my things-I'd-like-to-get-around-to list.


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NobodysHome wrote:

LOL. Wow. Poor choice of names, eh?

"No one in the house is sick," meaning we can actually go out to lunch together and be sociable like a couple and everything.

What a concept! :-O

WOOOOOOOOOW


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Tequila Sunrise wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Crookshanks is also getting a solid B in all of her classes despite turning in a little over 50% of her homework (54% I believe).

I feel like the fact her school is awarding her a B for that little work is more worthy of concern than her first date.

Or at least equivalent concern.

They do more in class work then homework, it's a small, small specialized middle school, like in Spider-Man Homecoming, except middle school.

Grand Lodge

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Tequila Sunrise wrote:
On the topic of Undertale, I do not get it.

I tried to get it. Didn't work.


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*yawn* Tired.

<.<

>.>

And I have to get up early tomorrow...


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Tequila Sunrise wrote:

On the topic of Undertale, I do not get it.

I mean, the homunculi love it -- and they love talking about it, even when they know the wife and I have never played it, and have no idea what they're talking about -- and maybe I'd love it if I played it.

But a game with retro graphics that fails to reset events after starting a new game sounds like a glitchy low-budget novelty game, which puts it somewhere between 'organize the garage' and 'clip my toe nails' on my personal entertainment list.

A major part of the essence comes in two linked flavors:

1) the meta-ness of the save/reset mechanics and the world at large (passing judgement against the player, not the character)

2) the concept of pacifism and violence in games, and how it relates to morality in general and specific (this deals a lot with themes such as "outsider" v. "insider" and similar)

3) (yes, I know what I said) it's a hard game - very hard in some moments

The aesthetics and humor (while part of the appeal) exist mostly as a method of getting you into the narrative so that parts one and two can be shown in a manner palatable to the player. The gameplay exists to facilitate all of the above.

So it:
- exists as a morality tale in a manner we're mostly unused to seeing

- pulls on nostalgia

- is a hard, (subjectively) "fun" gameplay experience

- has a rich, detailed interesting world

- has a quirky sense of humor

- also has good music

All of which can lead to a heady concoction. Unless you don't go for the buy-in, in which case it comes off as preachy, heavy-handed, and pointlessly antagonistic to the player (also frustratingly retro).

None of these are wrong reactions, but to those who are emotionally invested... well, apparently the moral lesson didn't take root with the fans in the same way anyone who was aware of the moral lesson would expect. Go figure.


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"Can I have a play date, with my two girlfriends" - Tiny T-Rex, walking home from school.

Grand Lodge

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Tacticslion wrote:
None of these are wrong reactions, but to those who are emotionally invested... well, apparently the moral lesson didn't take root with the fans in the same way anyone who was aware of the moral lesson would expect. Go figure.

Really my mistake was letting my brother push me into it due to his emotional investment. :P


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captain yesterday wrote:
"Can I have a play date, with my two girlfriends" - Tiny T-Rex, walking home from school.

Have he decided that the sis's date is a challenge to be beaten?


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captain yesterday wrote:
"Can I have a play date, with my two girlfriends" - Tiny T-Rex, walking home from school.

weeps manly tears

Open the door, get on the floor, little guy!


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yay vacuumed cars.


doctor_wu wrote:
yay vacuumed cars.

I know, right?!

(Mine was bad enough that when I vacuumed it the other day, my son declared, "WWWWOOOOOWWWWW~! Daddy, it's like we have an ALL NEW CAR~!" >.<)


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Tacticslion wrote:
None of these are wrong reactions, but to those who are emotionally invested... well, apparently the moral lesson didn't take root with the fans in the same way anyone who was aware of the moral lesson would expect. Go figure.

lol, another case of authorial intent getting swept away by fan perception as soon as the story hits the public.

Thanks for the explanation, I really like having insight on why people like things.


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I know nothing of Undertale.


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Tequila Sunrise wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
None of these are wrong reactions, but to those who are emotionally invested... well, apparently the moral lesson didn't take root with the fans in the same way anyone who was aware of the moral lesson would expect. Go figure.

lol, another case of authorial intent getting swept away by fan perception as soon as the story hits the public.

Thanks for the explanation, I really like having insight on why people like things.

'

I mean, technically speaking, the fan base took the moral to heart, loud and clear. It's the application thereof that seems to be the problem.

(The game is awesome, but the fanbase is known to be... less so. This is "the fan base" as a general term, not individual fans - or even groups of them - in specific.)

The Exchange

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TL you need to sit in bed with hot honey and lemon. I'd say.

Me= Bust down the wall at the first opportunity because it ain't fair. Whether the wall has a valid purpose or not.. Hey I am not a scholar of forgotten realms lore, who the hell knows what the wall does anyway ;) *Grins*

I don't like letting down the people who trust me.

Shadow Lodge

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Tacticslion wrote:
(The game is awesome, but the fanbase is known to be... less so. This is "the fan base" as a general term, not individual fans - or even groups of them - in specific.)

Pretty much this. The fans are incredibly aggressive about the game and very much espouse a "one right way" to play it. (Well technically two. You either go Full Pacifist or Full Genocide. Nothing in between is tolerated.)

A lot of it was based on sociopolitical positioning. Undertale's cast had a lot of minority characters, almost to a fault. There's really only two characters in the whole primary cast that would be 100% in a majority sociological role (ignoring the whole monster species thing), and one of those two is suspicious and mysterious and not exactly up-front or completely honest with the player, while the other spends 95% of the game being played up as a merciless antagonist.

The rest? An essentially genderless/gender-neutral/non-binary protagonist, a single mother, an asexual character, a lesbian couple, and a transgender character make up the rest of the "main" cast. Combined with strong themes of social outcasts being accepted among their own/those with similar traumas, praise and acceptance of nerddom and fandom, etc.; it's why a lot of the strongest support from the game came from Tumblr and a lot of its detractors decried it as an "SJW manifesto" more than a game.

This is a big deal in the fandom.

For me personally? I love the graphics - that 16-bit SNES-style retro stuff is my jam. The music is AMAZING, bar none the best part of the game. The story was entertaining for what it was (I never did genocide, fwiw; far too hard and requires basically near-endless grinding so I got bored with it), and the characters and dialogue were entertaining. Worth the $10 it cost, but I think the game's biggest drawback is the lack of replay value. Once you've played Neutral and Pacifist, the only thing left to see is Genocide. If you can't or won't run Genocide, there's no reason to play the game again; you can't build your character differently, significantly change the story, or do anything else that a replay would be worth it for. I haven't touched the game again since I finished it.


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Orthos is back?

Well, f!$~. I have been out for a while.

I live in Fort Pierce now. It's still in Florida. It's just less rednecky than Jax. And there are no groups within the entire county, or the surrounding counties it appears. I am, however, technically a lot closer to TL. I will STILL never see him in person, I'm certain, due to our combined hatred of visiting other towns, though.

And they're talking about a game I never played, but it sounds pretty cool.

Um...

I have nothing meaningful to contribute. Just wanted to say hi to my crew away from home. Oh. Maybe I do... Um, this game sounds a lot like World of Darkness, in that I actually like the game, but the fans make me want to perform violence until I awake in a haze wondering where the last hour of my life went and how I clean the blood from my hands.

I've grown even more cynical in my time away, if that were possible. I didn't think it was, but you know, just when you think you can't, a depth of cynicism I'd not discovered is just below the surface, if you keep burrowing with hatred enough.

Oh. Okay. Positive stuff. My brother is letting me stay rent free at his place. So that's cool.

I did miss my buddies here. I'll try to be less...disappear-for-months-then-pop-in-with-a-single-long-ass-update-post. ..ish.


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It's Thegreenbucketgamer!

As the Vigilante Errolist.

It's a FaWtL Thanksgiving miracle!


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I missed you too, cap. Can you sum up the last couple months for me, as humorously as possible?


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Huzzah! You have retuuuuurrrrrrrned!

Gotta add you to my questionnaire...

Shadow Lodge

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Who's that chap?


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Okay. Not like I got much else to do.

I'm literally homeless, jobless, and more or less responsibility-less. I'm a drain on American society, because I no longer have a wife who makes good money. Apparently, I am worthy of government assistance given my psychological issues, but only if I'm being helped by someone I'm not legally bound to in a manner that traditionally involves regular or semi-regular intercourse.

Funny how the government rewards not getting married. I can be a leach on my brother, or my mom, or even a live-in girlfriend, but if I'm married, well f#&@ you, she can take care of you (a stress that pretty much lead to my divorce almost directly).

That's not true. Well, the previous paragraph is, but the one before it...I'm actually still looking for work. It's one of those societal pressure things, where as an adult male I don't feel quite like a man when I'm not being productive. So I'm trying. But in the meantime I'm getting help I never was even considered for when I was married.

Did...did I say I got divorced last time I popped in here?


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TOZ wrote:
Who's that chap?

thegreenteagamer. I changed my handle a while back.


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Who... is vagrant erudite?


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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
I missed you too, cap. Can you sum up the last couple months for me, as humorously as possible?

My daughter joined Paizo as Crookshanks, crashed FaWtL then forgot.

The wife has decided we're pumpkin farmers now (as long as we don't harm or sell the pumpkins, apparently, so says the kids).

Starfinder!!!

It's f$#@ing cold outside! Like 20 degrees cold.

As far as FaWtL goes,

Lynora is cheating on the wall with the floor.

Nobodyshome has switched to third person and apparently socializes with his wife (great! Now we're all going to have to socialize with our spouses!).

Tacticslion has volunteered as a petri dish, and has singularly shut down the Ocala public sanitation plant.

Limey has been fencing, or whatever the call soccer in Ireland.

Freehold has been spending too much money on gas and chocolate cakes.

Orthos is back! Scint too!

There's a whole bunch of other people, doing other things, but I've used too much time already.

Welcome back!


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Oh!

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