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John Napier 698 wrote:
Yes. Apparently, people are supposed to kill themselves if they're taken captive by Orcs. Especially women. Those that have the AP can provide more detail.

It's a part of the setting, grown out of the history of constant raids and the choice between being savaged by the raiders or taking one's own life.

Naturally, it is a very touchy subject.


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Especially for those that had a suicide in their family.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
Yes. Apparently, people are supposed to kill themselves if they're taken captive by Orcs. Especially women. Those that have the AP can provide more detail.

It's a part of the setting, grown out of the history of constant raids and the choice between being savaged by the raiders or taking one's own life.

Naturally, it is a very touchy subject.

It's also reminiscent of real world history, where in certain times and places an 'honorable' woman was expected to kill herself rather than let herself be raped.

Ugly, but there it is.


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Raises right eyebrow, adjusts monocle.

Indeed.

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Our culture as a whole has been very bad at handling suicide.


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Oh come on!

Anyone else want to ninja me.


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Apparently yes.


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WOPAH!


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Celestial Healer wrote:
Afternoon, all. What did I miss?

unexpectedly heavy conversation.

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Honestly the whole "most half orcs cone from rape" thing was probably THE defining reason we changed them.


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Orthos wrote:
Honestly the whole "most half orcs cone from rape" thing was probably THE defining reason we changed them.

mm. That is an awful origin story to make common.

I have a lot of info on how half orcs are in my world but not much on origins outside of references to the orcs simply ruling that part of the world after the war ended. I would like to keep such monstrous acts to an absolute minimum.


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Hoo boy.

Children have been assigned their Taming of the Shrew scenes to adapt. I'm already hearing declarations of Celine Dion.


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No Half-Orcs here.

With something like 65 races in Pathfinder they don't have a chance.

And with Skittermanders, Androids, Shirren, and Ysoki in Starfinder they definitely don't have a chance.

I have a nephew that always makes a Drow elf.

And he's a HUGE Star Wars fan so we're all fairly certain he's going to make a Drow Solarian for Starfinder.


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Cattie-Brie better not be a space jellyfish.


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Drizz't!

You're my father!


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They should have some way your aliases can have light saber battles.


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Random stuff for the afternoon:

  • Shiro taught me something interesting vis a vis Spotify vs. Pandora: Spotify is a "streaming" service, so you specify the songs, Spotify plays them for you, and every time Spotify plays a song the record label gets some pittance from them (or maybe it's when you specify a song, and then you personally get infinite plays. Not sure). Pandora is a "broadcasting" service, so they get carte blanche to play songs as often as they like for a flat licensing fee, but there are restrictions; for example, "You can't let you users skip too many songs, because we want market penetration."
    It's two different business models, and explains why Pandora stopped me from thumbs-downing songs.
    The good news is you can just delete and rebuild a channel and your votes get reset.
  • Always fun to have a RAWyer show up on an AP thread. "No, you're all morons! The Pathfinder definition of 'Immunity' does not include anything about being cured. So as long as you're 'Immune', you resist the effects, but once you're no longer 'Immune' the effects start up again."
    I suppose that does indeed resolve our issues, but I *really* wanted to ask him whether he also allowed dead people to take actions...
  • Paizo up all day? Is that allowed?

  • Trivial Crimson Throne Spoiler:
    Crimson Throne tomorrow, where Whingey Wizard learns that his PC has managed to become even more hated than the queen. It took him (well, technically her) the first three books to accomplish this, but it'll be interesting seeing Whingey Wizard's reaction to the realization that his PC has no chance in heck of becoming the new queen.

    I'm hoping he takes it well, rather than having the session devolve into a HUGE debate over, "Oh, I NEVER said that! See? I have notes! And that NPC would NEVER have reacted THAT way! And I find this totally unrealistic!"

    I mean, honestly, it's the first time one of his PCs is actually being taken to task for their horrific actions (in spite of every single one of his PCs in every single campaign I've been in with him being an execrable person. He loves playing slimeballs). He says he loves roleplay. So I'm hoping it'll all go smoothly.

    Hope for the best. Plan for the worst.

    EDIT: To be clear, I think the RAWyer's suggestion makes sense and makes the AP work as-written. It was the RAWyer's attitude that irritated me...


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    I've identified the bane of the modern world. It is not social media, it is not our general reliance on tech, it is not the increasingly sophisticated robots taking our jobs, it is not our deteriorating environment, it is especially not pumpkin spice, it is not the hipster -- whatever hipsters are, I'm still not clear on that -- it isn't even power-hungry politicians.

    It is tupperware.

    Every time I open the dishwasher and see that top shelf half-full of tupperware, I shudder. Every time I open that cupboard and think How can we be trying so hard yet failing so miserably at keeping this organized?!, I feel the rage of a thousand burning suns.

    If you hear in the news MAN ARRESTED FOR BURNING DOWN OWN HOUSE IN EFFORT TO DESTROY TUPPERWARE, you'll know who it's about.


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    Tequila Sunrise wrote:

    I've identified the bane of the modern world. It is not social media, it is not our general reliance on tech, it is not the increasingly sophisticated robots taking our jobs, it is not our deteriorating environment, it is especially not pumpkin spice, it is not the hipster -- whatever hipsters are, I'm still not clear on that -- it isn't even power-hungry politicians.

    It is tupperware.

    Every time I open the dishwasher and see that top shelf half-full of tupperware, I shudder. Every time I open that cupboard and think How can we be trying so hard yet failing so miserably at keeping this organized?!, I feel the rage of a thousand burning suns.

    If you hear in the news MAN ARRESTED FOR BURNING DOWN OWN HOUSE IN EFFORT TO DESTROY TUPPERWARE, you'll know who it's about.

    We threw out all our Tupperware and bought glass containers. It forces you to be far more selective when deciding which leftovers merit survival.


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    Although, Tupperware does have it's uses. I'm using the Sandwich Container to hold my dice. Much more durable than a Leather bag.

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    All my family's zillions of Tupperware stuff mysteriously vanished when we moved to Tennessee in 2003. I wonder if they just decided not to pack it.

    The collection has not been rebuilt since.


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    My family is incredibly pro Tupperware.

    We prefer to improvise, a wide assortment of food can fit in a cottage cheese container, for instance.


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    Orthos wrote:

    All my family's zillions of Tupperware stuff mysteriously vanished when we moved to Tennessee in 2003. I wonder if they just decided not to pack it.

    The collection has not been rebuilt since.

    Lucky you!

    But that does indicate that there is a household in this great state of Tennessee that has no Tupperware!!!

    *gathers friends, family, pitchforks, torches*

    And now we begin our crusade, brethren, to purge the evildoer from among us!!

    *ahem*

    Sorry. Got carried away.

    I mean -- it is pretty shocking . . . .


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    Orthos wrote:

    All my family's zillions of Tupperware stuff mysteriously vanished when we moved to Tennessee in 2003. I wonder if they just decided not to pack it.

    The collection has not been rebuilt since.

    did they have the good stuff? Because some of those older Tupperware containers could probably survive nuclear winter. The newer stuff is kinda sad.


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    TriOmegaZero wrote:
    Our culture as a whole has been very bad at handling suicide.

    Not to trample around in a already touchy subject, but it might be more appropriate to say that a lot of Societies, both present and historical, have had great difficulty in handling this particular darker aspect of human nature.

    If we just look at "western civilization", you could very broadly define the following attitudes:

    Antiquity: Suicide is acceptable, with very few outspoken critics. Especially if it was a matter of "Patriotic Suicide" ie, suicide to save oneself from great dishonor. Very much in line with other Honor/pride-based societies around the world.

    Dark Ages + Middel Ages:
    Christianity overturns the previous acceptance. Suicide is now generally a crime that's leveled again the perpetrator both in this and the next life. Suicide is a deadly Sin, thus could led to excommunication, and some local laws have been found that imposed fines or confiscation of property on those who attempt suicide.

    Renaissance:
    Continues medieval practices. Sometimes even with harsher penalties on those who attempt suicide. Laws that level truly horrible penalties on the victims of suicide (or more rarely the families) is often found in this period.
    The first outspoken critics begin to reaffirm that suicide could be an option in certain circumstances. They even go so far as to claim that it could be a good and pious act.

    Enlightenment:
    Claims of individual freedom are slowly extended to the subject of suicide. In pamflets and early newspapers (much more rarely) you being to see early discussions on the subject.

    19th Century:
    Mental illness enters the debate for earnest. Generally you see the causes of suicide shift from a result of sin, to a result of insanity or substances abuse.
    However its first here we begin to see changes in the language and content of the laws pertaining to suicide (although the word suicide does crop up from around the early 18the century). In the late 19th century we see a significant movement to lessen or even remove the penalties level against victims of suicide by law.


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    No game today. Apparently, they forgot they'd asked me about it, for not a one of them is here.

    >_> Oh, how terrible. I might get to leave work before six.


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    Tupperware is that thing I get for free when I buy lunchmeats.


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    TriOmegaZero wrote:
    Our culture as a whole has been very bad at handling suicide.

    Another major issue is our lack of distinguishing between types of suicide:

  • My best friend was an undiagnosed manic-depressive who ran into a bunch of the "wrong kinds of friends" at Humboldt State, and ended up committing suicide at 24. This was a tragedy.
  • My "honorary uncle" spent nearly two decades fighting Parkinson's Disease, then finally decided it was time to go. He invited friends and family to his hospice, we talked, we joked, we told stories, and at the end of it all he died. This was a celebration.
  • My father woke up one morning and realized that his prostate cancer had become so severe that if he didn't do something right now, he would spend the rest of his life in a hospital with no control over his fate, so he killed himself rather than letting the authorities get their hands on him. This was a frustration borne of our idiotic suicide laws.

  • There needs to at least be a distinction between "emotional suicide", where an otherwise-healthy person decides to end their own life, and "physical suicide", where someone is choosing to die because of real, measurable, physical disabilities.

    Until we can even distinguish those differences, we really can't approach suicide rationally.


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    Oh, c'mon! This is FaWtL! 20 minutes without a post?!?!? No one linking Tupperware to suicides? C'mon, folks! I'm disappointed!


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    I have a headache. Obviously, I'm not doing enough math, today.


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    Tacticslion wrote:
    I have a headache. Obviously, I'm not doing enough math, today.

    There are no curses in Infernal, Abyssal, Orcish, Giant, nor the tongues of Men suitable for such falsehood!!

    Madness!!!

    :D


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Oh, c'mon! This is FaWtL! 20 minutes without a post?!?!? No one linking Tupperware to suicides? C'mon, folks! I'm disappointed!

    That's because everyone knows Tupperware is the root cause of the Fingerling shortage.


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    Well, thanks to Shiro I figured out my Pandora issues:

  • I deleted all things Disney from the list (all one of them). No more "every other song is a Disney travesty" problem
  • As has happened before, a new artist got added to my list without my knowledge. Usually it's just someone I've thumbs-upped a few times (I think last time it was Rhianna). This time it was Tone Loc, which is really bizarre, because I don't like anything he does. (Nope, not even "Funky Cold Medina".) So how he got there is a mystery. But I removed him and the randomly-appearing gangsta rap songs vanished.

  • I'm just astonishingly sexist in my entertainment choices. During the day when I'm at work, I want to listen to women singing. I find their voices far more "comfortable" than men's. And when I play MMORPGs, I always play a female.

    Someone asked me why, and it was pretty easy (forgive me if I've posted this here before):
    "I'm going to be staring at this person's backside for the next 200-300 hours. Why the h*** would I want to play a MAN?!?!"


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    You've obviously never seen Jojo in his Stealth Suit armor.

    Everyone's back side look good in that.


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    Kicks over Jojo's bean curd...

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    I almost never listen to music with lyrics anymore. >.> It's all video game music and the occasional orchestral piece.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Oh, c'mon! This is FaWtL! 20 minutes without a post?!?!? No one linking Tupperware to suicides? C'mon, folks! I'm disappointed!

    Don't look at me. I just spent the last two hours watching the exit gates to make sure all the new University students can leave the garage without them trying to put their Smartcard-based lease cards in the slot meant for tickets and Credit Cards.


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    Jojo Applesauce, Courier wrote:

    You've obviously never seen Jojo in his Stealth Suit armor.

    Everyone's back side look good in that.

    Well, it would do if they could see it...


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    Slurks away with another mini caught in his deliciously gelatinous mass.


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    Proud Papa Moment:
    - Walking in on Impus Major watching salacious... Monty Python skits on his computer.

    The classics never die!


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    Orthos wrote:
    I almost never listen to music with lyrics anymore. >.> It's all video game music and the occasional orchestral piece.

    I've noticed certain music agitates or relaxes my kids.

    Orchestral music is one that relaxes them.

    Specifically Danny Elfman.


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    The General: How about you Tiny T-Rex, do you want some nice relaxing lavender tea?

    Tiny T-Rex: Um, maybe after I kill the Enderdragon.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Oh, c'mon! This is FaWtL! 20 minutes without a post?!?!? No one linking Tupperware to suicides? C'mon, folks! I'm disappointed!

    I was writing econ notes!


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Someone asked me why, and it was pretty easy (forgive me if I've posted this here before):

    "I'm going to be staring at this person's backside for the next 200-300 hours. Why the h*** would I want to play a MAN?!?!"

    It's very simple.

    No one squats like Gaston, lifts a lot like Gaston, strikes a pose before firing a shot like Gaston.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Someone asked me why, and it was pretty easy (forgive me if I've posted this here before):

    "I'm going to be staring at this person's backside for the next 200-300 hours. Why the h*** would I want to play a MAN?!?!"

    Yeah, you just described why most of my cRPG/MMO characters are female...


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    It's so weird to be home before sunset. I could get used to this.


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    The local Ace Hardware store had a Short Sword on display that could be purchased for a cost of $30. Guess what I bought earlier.


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    I would be very interested to see a pic of that.


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    I'll put it up on imgur. Unless you wish to send me via PM your E-Mail address. Then I can send you photos of all my blades.

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