The teacher showed us tricks and ways of doing things that made multiplication and division very easy.
This is the nature of math.
Then, the next year, the following teacher demanded we do things her way, and ground out of us the way we had learned it the year previous, saying we were wrong if we dit it any way other than she did.
Mmmmmmmmmmmeh. Sounds like a harsh teacher.
If we ever found a way to answer a questions that was different than the way she wanted, we were wrong.
This is wrong. Likely, though, it was trying to show you the methodology of shortcuts and faster ways for when you would (inevitably) be timed.
If we didn't show our work, we were wrong.
This is partially wrong, but understandable. You need to show your work. It really should have been (at worst) partial credit, unless you were in late Highschool and college. That said, as NH demonstrated, there are reasons for why (in later grades) showing your work is necessary to the point they will count it wrong if you do not.
And if we got the answer wrong, we were wrong. That last was understandable, but still.
This is right. As you have noted.
This repeated as time went on.
Yeah, you had a really bad year with a single teacher who believed the best method of teaching you was toughing it out. It's not always a bad method of teaching things (and can be quite necessary), but it does not work with all students, and it simply wrecked what faith you had in it.
The thing about math is that there are a ton of processes, and thus a ton of methods to get correct answers, but only a few of them are valid at any given time. Knowing the logic behind it can let you do anything... slowly; but there are certain paths that will get you there much, much faster, and sometimes might even be necessary compared to "conventional" (basic) methods. Again, if you understand the logic, you'll probably be fine for most purposes, but for some problems you'll never actually complete your processes before the heat death of the universe.
My guess is that you got caught up in the sometime troubling changeover from basic processes into more advanced ones and were never taught the basics or whys behind those processes.
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Yeah, for me it was a religion professor.
That must have really sucked for you.
...And to totally rub it in your face, the three religion courses I was forced to take -- was pursuing my engineering degree at the time, had already been thru one complete liberal arts program, and had no interest in religion courses -- turned out to be a lot of fun, thanks to some very fun and passionate professors.
Full disclosure though, I did not even try to read St Augustine's Confessions. Sparknotes FTW, and I still scored the highest grade on the final paper we wrote about it! It helped that I was about ten years older than most of the other students, and had earned a degree in English the first time thru college. :)
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Well, there's the difference between you and me. :)
I always developed a profile of my teachers within the first week and answered all questions on papers and tests based on what they wanted to hear. Got great grades. I learned when I was 8 that there's no point trying to convince adults of anything. You just have to learn how to tell them what they want to hear and then they leave you alone. (My poor incompetent psychologist was trying to teach me social skills. She was woefully unprepared for coping with very smart children. On the other hand, it was an important life lesson, if not the one she was trying to teach.)
Welcome to the wonderful world of being an '80s punker, where our God-given duty was to demonstrate to adults the wrongness of their thought processes.
Very stubbornly. And obnoxiously. With beer, spikes, and steel-toed boots.
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Yeah, for me it was a religion professor.That must have really sucked for you.
...And to totally rub it in your face, the three religion courses I was forced to take -- was pursuing my engineering degree at the time, had already been thru one complete liberal arts program, and had no interest in religion courses -- turned out to be a lot of fun, thanks to some very fun and passionate professors.
Full disclosure though, I did not even try to read St Augustine's Confessions. Sparknotes FTW, and I still scored the highest grade on the final paper we wrote about it! It helped that I was about ten years older than most of the other students, and had earned a degree in English the first time thru college. :)
I won't get into any details. FaWtL, and also I actually generally respect the man.
But let's just say that proving a man's doctoral thesis incorrect by rambling about the logical inconsistencies in the various assertions of the author of our required reading book (which, unbeknownst to me was his book by him that was his doctoral thesis) prooooobably didn't win me any brownie points.
He's a good man. I (unintentionally, but still) embarrassed him in front of the class. ... more than once.
>.>
I, uh... I definitively earned a C4lyfe in said class.
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I had to spruce up the place so the maintenance guy could fix the furnace (which decided to stop working yesterday)...
I blame your excessive hippie sex life.
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I got a new feather mattress topper and a feather duvet and a feather pillow for my bed. (I had to replace the blanket and pillow because stuff happened....wash cycles went horribly wrong kind of thing, and I'm trying to put off getting a new mattress too, so, anyhow) and it is glorious.
Of course now I have to fight the urge to crawl into bed and sleep for a week, which is extra tempting when it's so very, very fluffy!
We are living in that paradise right now. Real down duvet, real feather pillows, and a new Goth duvet cover. The calico went from never entering our room to never getting off our bed until the fluffernutter chases her off at bedtime.
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That said, answer a math question differently than the teacher wants, and you're just wrong.
Then, the next year, the following teacher demanded we do things her way, and ground out of us the way we had learned it the year previous, saying we were wrong if we dit it any way other than she did. If we ever found a way to answer a questions that was different than the way she wanted, we were wrong. If we didn't show our work, we were wrong. And if we got the answer wrong, we were wrong. That last was understandable, but still.
This repeated as time went on.
Canonically bad teachers. And a LOT of them.
If the method is technically correct and the problem did not explicitly state a method, then the student is correct. Sorry, teachers. Deal.
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I got a new feather mattress topper and a feather duvet and a feather pillow for my bed. (I had to replace the blanket and pillow because stuff happened....wash cycles went horribly wrong kind of thing, and I'm trying to put off getting a new mattress too, so, anyhow) and it is glorious.
Of course now I have to fight the urge to crawl into bed and sleep for a week, which is extra tempting when it's so very, very fluffy!
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Only in retail or food service would they try to call you on the last day of your vacation to ask you to work.
I wonder if anyone has ever said yes when they do that.
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Probably if the caller implied strongly that a "no" answer would result in.... consequences.
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Probably if the caller implied strongly that a "no" answer would result in.... consequences.
I tried that, they still call and ask.
I even told them to stop calling and asking, but that only worked for a while.
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I mean the employer. As in, "if you don't come in during your vacation, we're going to find an excuse to fire you".
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Oh I don't worry about that, it's nearly impossible to find someone else that can lift 80 lbs.
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Yeah unfortunately most other people in that position are more replaceable. >_>
I might be a teensy bit bitter about a similar situation.
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Yeah unfortunately most other people in that position are more replaceable. >_>
I might be a teensy bit bitter about a similar situation.
We can be bitter buddies!
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We can be bitter buddies!Yeah unfortunately most other people in that position are more replaceable. >_>
I might be a teensy bit bitter about a similar situation.
So, which of you is Grump and Not-So-Grump?
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So, which of you is Grump and Not-So-Grump?We can be bitter buddies!Yeah unfortunately most other people in that position are more replaceable. >_>
I might be a teensy bit bitter about a similar situation.
What is this "Not-So-Grump" of which you speak?
Does not compute.
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So, which of you is Grump and Not-So-Grump?We can be bitter buddies!Yeah unfortunately most other people in that position are more replaceable. >_>
I might be a teensy bit bitter about a similar situation.
What is this "Not-So-Grump" of which you speak?
Does not compute.
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The teacher showed us tricks and ways of doing things that made multiplication and division very easy.This is the nature of math.
Codswallop. The nature of math is a teacher screaming at you until you stroke their glans by doing things the way they want. Even other math teachers will tell you this.
Then, the next year, the following teacher demanded we do things her way, and ground out of us the way we had learned it the year previous, saying we were wrong if we dit it any way other than she did.Mmmmmmmmmmmeh. Sounds like a math teacher.
fify
If we ever found a way to answer a questions that was different than the way she wanted, we were wrong.This is wrong. Likely, though, it was trying to show you the methodology of shortcuts and faster ways for when you would (inevitably) be timed.
Yes, demanding I learn a new way of doing things in a handful of weeks that contradicts what I have been taught over the course of a year is really going to accomplish that. /s
If we didn't show our work, we were wrong.This is partially wrong, but understandable. You need to show your work. It really should have been (at worst) partial credit, unless you were in late Highschool and college. That said, as NH demonstrated, there are reasons for why (in later grades) showing your work is necessary to the point they will count it wrong if you do not.
This never flew with me. If the answer is right, it's right. I can understand suspicion of cheating to an extent, if it is a test. But someone being wrong even though they got the right answer sticks in my throat.
And if we got the answer wrong, we were wrong. That last was understandable, but still.This is right. As you have noted.
This repeated as time went on.Yeah, you had a really bad year with a single teacher who believed the best method of teaching you was toughing it out. It's not always a bad method of teaching things (and can be quite necessary), but it does not work with all students, and it simply wrecked what faith you had in it.
More like it does not work. Full stop.
The thing about math is that there are a ton of processes, and thus a ton of methods to get correct answers, but only a few of them are valid at any given time. Knowing the logic behind it can let you do anything... slowly; but there are certain paths that will get you there much, much faster, and sometimes might even be necessary compared to "conventional" (basic) methods. Again, if you understand the logic, you'll probably be fine for most purposes, but for some problems you'll never actually complete your processes before the heat death of the universe.
My guess is that you got caught up in the sometime troubling changeover from basic processes into more advanced ones and were never taught the basics or whys behind those processes.
bantha poodoo.
If it gets you the right answer, it's valid. Is it practical? Maybe not, but it is no less valid.
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I mean the employer. As in, "if you don't come in during your vacation, we're going to find an excuse to fire you".
been there before professionally. Fought my boss tooth and nail on that one and told him he was free to fire me but I would make his life hell in the exit interview. Never came up again.
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If it gets you the right answer, it's valid. Is it practical? Maybe not, but it is no less valid.
I'm pretty sure this is how we set logic on fire and start roasting marshmallows.
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Man. My anti authoritarian buttons have been pressed today.
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If it gets you the right answer, it's valid. Is it practical? Maybe not, but it is no less valid.I'm pretty sure this is how we set logic on fire and start roasting marshmallows.
Hershey is making a new candy bar for the first time in 40 years.
I want to make Smores with it.
You want a smore?
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Man. My anti authoritarian buttons have been pressed today.
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If it gets you the right answer, it's valid. Is it practical? Maybe not, but it is no less valid.I'm pretty sure this is how we set logic on fire and start roasting marshmallows.Hershey is making a new candy bar for the first time in 40 years.
I want to make Smores with it.
You want a smore?
Nah, I want math.
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Can you tell the kids are leveling up so I'm just sitting here Paizo'ing?
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Do help Irwin out.
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Take greater fortitude! Take greater fortitude!!
Or was that iron will...
Take weapon finesse! Take weapon finesse!!
The teacher showed us tricks and ways of doing things that made multiplication and division very easy.
This is the nature of math.
Codswallop. The nature of math is a teacher screaming at you until you <nope>
If the teacher managed to show you these tricks, it is in the nature of the thing s/he showed you, else said tricks wouldn't work.
Then, the next year, the following teacher demanded we do things her way, and ground out of us the way we had learned it the year previous, saying we were wrong if we dit it any way other than she did.
Mmmmmmmmmmmeh. Sounds like a math teacher.
fify
You did not.
If we ever found a way to answer a questions that was different than the way she wanted, we were wrong.
This is wrong. Likely, though, it was trying to show you the methodology of shortcuts and faster ways for when you would (inevitably) be timed.
Yes, demanding I learn a new way of doing things in a handful of weeks that contradicts what I have been taught is really going to accomplish that. /s
I believe you may have misinterpreted what I was saying.
I was saying that it was wrong of the teacher to do this.
If we didn't show our work, we were wrong.
This is partially wrong, but understandable. You need to show your work. It really should have been (at worst) partial credit, unless you were in late Highschool and college. That said, as NH demonstrated, there are reasons for why (in later grades) showing your work is necessary to the point they will count it wrong if you do not.
This never flew with me. If the answer is right, it's right. I can understand suspicion of cheating to an extent, if it is a test. But someone being wrong even though they got the right answer sticks in my throat.
Nope. That's a failure, entirely.
"I think that you're a human, (because pickles are lime-flavored.)" is clearly stupid and wrong, despite the fact that you are, in fact, human.
And if we got the answer wrong, we were wrong. That last was understandable, but still.
This is right. As you have noted.
This repeated as time went on.
Yeah, you had a really bad year with a single teacher who believed the best method of teaching you was toughing it out. It's not always a bad method of teaching things (and can be quite necessary), but it does not work with all students, and it simply wrecked what faith you had in it.
More like it does not work. Full stop.
If it did not work, we'd not be talking now.
The thing about math is that there are a ton of processes, and thus a ton of methods to get correct answers, but only a few of them are valid at any given time. Knowing the logic behind it can let you do anything... slowly; but there are certain paths that will get you there much, much faster, and sometimes might even be necessary compared to "conventional" (basic) methods. Again, if you understand the logic, you'll probably be fine for most purposes, but for some problems you'll never actually complete your processes before the heat death of the universe.
My guess is that you got caught up in the sometime troubling changeover from basic processes into more advanced ones and were never taught the basics or whys behind those processes.
bantha poodoo.
If it gets you the right answer, it's valid. Is it practical? Maybe not, but it is no less valid.
It is not.
Example two: "(Because I like cotton candy,) I believe the text in this forum is black on a white background."
The method for attaining a "correct" assertion (black text on a white background) has no bearing on that assertion.
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Just as I said. Freehold has a full-on hate of Math.
I often found math to be incredibly frustrating.
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Do help Irwin out.
LOL. He didn't show up for the level-up party, so there was a mysterious complete and utter ninja rebuild to make him an invisible death machine.
Of course, now that I've touched him, Deady will be sure to get him killed, which'll be entertaining as well.
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Nah, I want math.If it gets you the right answer, it's valid. Is it practical? Maybe not, but it is no less valid.I'm pretty sure this is how we set logic on fire and start roasting marshmallows.Hershey is making a new candy bar for the first time in 40 years.
I want to make Smores with it.
You want a smore?
to each their own.
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Just as I said. Freehold has a full-on hate of Math.
do I really hate math? Or do I love freedom?
Throw off your Euclidean shackles!! Power to the people!
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Yeah, for me it was a religion professor.That must have really sucked for you.
...And to totally rub it in your face, the three religion courses I was forced to take -- was pursuing my engineering degree at the time, had already been thru one complete liberal arts program, and had no interest in religion courses -- turned out to be a lot of fun, thanks to some very fun and passionate professors.
Full disclosure though, I did not even try to read St Augustine's Confessions. Sparknotes FTW, and I still scored the highest grade on the final paper we wrote about it! It helped that I was about ten years older than most of the other students, and had earned a degree in English the first time thru college. :)
You didn't miss anything.
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Today was fun. I ended up staying an hour late at school because I had an emergency meeting with my daughter's teachers over a behavior incident today, and *then* I had to go out to run all the damned school shopping errands, and then come back and take care of the rabbit, and by then I'd worked yet another ten-hour day and I was so angry that I forced my poor children to listen to me rage-sing along to the Hamilton soundtrack in the car.
They fell asleep.
And then I woke them up and made them tacos.
And since mad can only last so long, after I put my son to bed, I sat up with my daughter going through my random box of old photos because she wanted a picture of Grandpa to take to class for the Dia de los Muertos celebration she argued her teacher into having tomorrow. (Why, I have no idea. We're Polish/Scottish/Danish. No Mexican anywhere. But she's obsessed.) She chose one of my dad doing one of his favorite Stupid Human Tricks, i.e. feeding bits of frozen hot dog to seagulls out of his hands. He would hold the hot dog up in the air and the seagull would swoop down and grab it.
I longed for the day he would lose an actual finger, the smug bastard.
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I got a new feather mattress topper and a feather duvet and a feather pillow for my bed. (I had to replace the blanket and pillow because stuff happened....wash cycles went horribly wrong kind of thing, and I'm trying to put off getting a new mattress too, so, anyhow) and it is glorious.
Of course now I have to fight the urge to crawl into bed and sleep for a week, which is extra tempting when it's so very, very fluffy!
We are living in that paradise right now. Real down duvet, real feather pillows, and a new Goth duvet cover. The calico went from never entering our room to never getting off our bed until the fluffernutter chases her off at bedtime.
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Just as I said. Freehold has a full-on hate of Math.do I really hate math? Or do I love freedom?
Throw off your Euclidean shackles!!
You know that's a much deeper level of math than the one you are frothing at? Don't you?
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Yeah, for me it was a religion professor.That must have really sucked for you.
...And to totally rub it in your face, the three religion courses I was forced to take -- was pursuing my engineering degree at the time, had already been thru one complete liberal arts program, and had no interest in religion courses -- turned out to be a lot of fun, thanks to some very fun and passionate professors.
Full disclosure though, I did not even try to read St Augustine's Confessions. Sparknotes FTW, and I still scored the highest grade on the final paper we wrote about it! It helped that I was about ten years older than most of the other students, and had earned a degree in English the first time thru college. :)
You didn't miss anything.
I went to a Catholic university that made us read the full text of everything. I grew to hate Augustine and his stupid pear more than reason should allow.
I read Confessions and wasn't impressed either. Hadn't finished the last chapter or so because of the lack of time before exam and hadn't have motivation to return to it afterwards.
Fun fact: during the exam, the teacher asked me about "the hatchet". I froze trying to recall theological significance of the hatchet for Augustine, only to realize after few moments (and a helpful question from the teacher) that it was biographical reference. I made a facepalm in front of the teacher and then told the story of Augustine's friend.
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And since mad can only last so long, after I put my son to bed, I sat up with my daughter going through my random box of old photos because she wanted a picture of Grandpa to take to class for the Dia de los Muertos celebration she argued her teacher into having tomorrow. (Why, I have no idea. We're Polish/Scottish/Danish. No Mexican anywhere. But she's obsessed.)
You got your answer right here - Day Of The Dead is a big thing here (though celebrated differently than the Spanish or Mexican one). Going to visit the graves and all such. (which I should do today as I didn't go yesterday because of waking up with a sore-ish throat).
I am not the one to promote Adam Mickiewicz usually, but if you can get second part of Dziady (though I don't know if there is an English translation), it described a mix of pagan/Christian rites.
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Apparently, if you stood in the porch of the church at midnight on the 31st of October, you'd either see all the shades of the people who were going to die in the following year walk past, or the image of the person you were going to marry. Or both, if you were really unlucky.
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It's alive! It's ALIIIIIIIIIIVE!
I've always wanted to say that.
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FaWtL Challenge: Finish this sentence non-obscenely:
"Paizo's web site goes down more often than..."