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NobodysHome wrote:
Tin Foil Yamakah wrote:

Alignment in our group is two letters on your sheet and that's it.

TFY's Paladin code... Do good stuff

It matters now that they're at a level where Holy Smite, Forbiddance, and the like are going to become every-session occurrences.

"I'm a scumbag but Holy Smite doesn't affect me because I wrote the right pair of letters on my character sheet" doesn't work for me as a GM...

That's because your playing the wrong way...That's cool, I just don't sweat it


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I'll probably get eaten by my garden. Or more specifically, my nearly five foot tall tomato plant. Although, I hear tell the melons have been plotting recently. So...

Dark Archive

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captain yesterday wrote:
LordSynos!!!!!

YAS! HALLO! :D


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LORDSYNOS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


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LordSynos wrote:
Drejk wrote:

*sigh* GOG and Steam teamed up on me...

Shadowground on Steam (the promotional price was so much lower than on GoG that it easily off-set the Steam's stupid insistence on me paying in Euros, urgh) and Sword of Stars on GOG...

Should have checked the list first. :P

*sigh*

I probably should have done that...

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SotS is the best space 4X I've ever played. I love it so.

I have mixed feelings. The interface feels terribly clunky, the space combat is annoying (starting with the fact its real time instead of turn based like MoO2)... The ship building is nice but its hard to compare design choices... Do I put a blazer module or a barrage one? Etc., etc...


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How is the kiddlet?


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Ah, well, if you are here I can ask for some games as well...

I have no idea when I will have time to install and play them all, though. Just like the dozens of dozens of my other games.

Could I have:
Bioshock 1, 2, and Infinite
Dead State
Dungeon Of The Endless
Egde Of Space
Hack, Slash, Loot
Mercenary Kings
Shattered Planet
Skulls Of The Shogun
Teslagrad

Aaaand... I'll stop now before I ask for your whole collection...


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NobodysHome wrote:

Ah, the joys of GM'ing as if you're preparing for a court case.

As you all know, we have a "problem player" who pretty much pitches a fit the moment you complain about anything he does, yet his entire roleplay is, "Whom can I screw over in order to further myself?"

He must bring really good snacks...


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LordSynos wrote:
Drejk wrote:

*sigh* GOG and Steam teamed up on me...

Shadowground on Steam (the promotional price was so much lower than on GoG that it easily off-set the Steam's stupid insistence on me paying in Euros, urgh) and Sword of Stars on GOG...

Should have checked the list first. :P

SotS is the best space 4X I've ever played. I love it so.

SotS is the second best one in my opinion... MoO2 being the best.

I love that you can build races that play very differently in MoO2.
SotS races DO play differently but everything is pre set whether I like it or not. However SotS has the best combat system to date of any 4x game especially if you include the mods. Well SotS 1 does SotS 2 was a royal mess that destroyed the company it was so bad.


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Aranna wrote:
LordSynos wrote:
Drejk wrote:

*sigh* GOG and Steam teamed up on me...

Shadowground on Steam (the promotional price was so much lower than on GoG that it easily off-set the Steam's stupid insistence on me paying in Euros, urgh) and Sword of Stars on GOG...

Should have checked the list first. :P

SotS is the best space 4X I've ever played. I love it so.

SotS is the second best one in my opinion... MoO2 being the best.

I love that you can build races that play very differently in MoO2.
SotS races DO play differently but everything is pre set whether I like it or not. However SotS has the best combat system to date of any 4x game especially if you include the mods. Well SotS 1 does SotS 2 was a royal mess that destroyed the company it was so bad.

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Aranna wrote:
LordSynos wrote:
Drejk wrote:

*sigh* GOG and Steam teamed up on me...

Shadowground on Steam (the promotional price was so much lower than on GoG that it easily off-set the Steam's stupid insistence on me paying in Euros, urgh) and Sword of Stars on GOG...

Should have checked the list first. :P

SotS is the best space 4X I've ever played. I love it so.

SotS is the second best one in my opinion... MoO2 being the best.

I love that you can build races that play very differently in MoO2.
SotS races DO play differently but everything is pre set whether I like it or not. However SotS has the best combat system to date of any 4x game especially if you include the mods. Well SotS 1 does SotS 2 was a royal mess that destroyed the company it was so bad.

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

Do not worry. Give in and you will know all!


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Today at Captain Yesterday's Clown College of Comedy, I teach Tiny T-Rex and Pea Bear the fine art of fumbling as you throw. Not only do you have to train your brain to let go when it doesn't want to, you have to also nail the bewildered expression.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Aranna wrote:
LordSynos wrote:
Drejk wrote:

*sigh* GOG and Steam teamed up on me...

Shadowground on Steam (the promotional price was so much lower than on GoG that it easily off-set the Steam's stupid insistence on me paying in Euros, urgh) and Sword of Stars on GOG...

Should have checked the list first. :P

SotS is the best space 4X I've ever played. I love it so.

SotS is the second best one in my opinion... MoO2 being the best.

I love that you can build races that play very differently in MoO2.
SotS races DO play differently but everything is pre set whether I like it or not. However SotS has the best combat system to date of any 4x game especially if you include the mods. Well SotS 1 does SotS 2 was a royal mess that destroyed the company it was so bad.

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
Do not worry. Give in and you will know all!

Infinite knowledge...

N-No..NEVER! I'll NEVER give in to Facebook!


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Judging by the abbreviation MOO2 I assume it involves some sort of state of the art cyborg cow.

Grand Lodge

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Master of Orion? I think that's a game title.


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I need to get some sleep, I thought a thread title said "Fisting Arrows from inside Obscuring Mist"

It was not. >:-(

So many uncomfortable arrow jokes left unused.


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captain yesterday wrote:
LordSynos!!!!!

YYYYEEEEESSSSSS~!

LordSynos wrote:
Drejk wrote:

*sigh* GOG and Steam teamed up on me...

Shadowground on Steam (the promotional price was so much lower than on GoG that it easily off-set the Steam's stupid insistence on me paying in Euros, urgh) and Sword of Stars on GOG...

Should have checked the list first. :P

YYYYEEEEESSSSSS~!

LordSynos wrote:
SotS is the best space 4X I've ever played. I love it so.

Cool. Cool.

LordSynos wrote:

Also, hello all! I hope everyone is keeping hearty and hail. :)

I'm being kicked in the rear by my new job, but it's a good job that I'm kind of enjoying, so on the way up. :D

YYYYEEEEESSSSSS~!

Always happy to see you, Synos! :D


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captain yesterday wrote:
Judging by the abbreviation MOO2 I assume it involves some sort of state of the art cyborg cow.

I can't be the only LAN party geek here... can I?


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Aranna wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Judging by the abbreviation MOO2 I assume it involves some sort of state of the art cyborg cow.

I can't be the only LAN party geek here... can I?

I have never done a MOO2 lan party, but it is one of my most played games in my library.


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Sharoth wrote:
Aranna wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Judging by the abbreviation MOO2 I assume it involves some sort of state of the art cyborg cow.

I can't be the only LAN party geek here... can I?

I have never done a MOO2 lan party, but it is one of my most played games in my library.

insane cyborg cow games.


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Sharoth wrote:
Aranna wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Judging by the abbreviation MOO2 I assume it involves some sort of state of the art cyborg cow.

I can't be the only LAN party geek here... can I?

I have never done a MOO2 lan party, but it is one of my most played games in my library.

It is a testimony to how good MoO2 was that people were willing to LAN party on a game that was buggy and used an obsolete networking protocol.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Sharoth wrote:
Aranna wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Judging by the abbreviation MOO2 I assume it involves some sort of state of the art cyborg cow.

I can't be the only LAN party geek here... can I?

I have never done a MOO2 lan party, but it is one of my most played games in my library.
insane cyborg cow games.

We already have the technology!


Um, CY: what are those donuts on this cows?


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You've never seen a see through cow! You really must come to Wisconsin (or Europe).


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Aranna wrote:
Sharoth wrote:
Aranna wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Judging by the abbreviation MOO2 I assume it involves some sort of state of the art cyborg cow.

I can't be the only LAN party geek here... can I?

I have never done a MOO2 lan party, but it is one of my most played games in my library.

It is a testimony to how good MoO2 was that people were willing to LAN party on a game that was buggy and used an obsolete networking protocol.

what are you doing to our livestock?!?


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Freehold DM wrote:
Aranna wrote:
Sharoth wrote:
Aranna wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Judging by the abbreviation MOO2 I assume it involves some sort of state of the art cyborg cow.

I can't be the only LAN party geek here... can I?

I have never done a MOO2 lan party, but it is one of my most played games in my library.

It is a testimony to how good MoO2 was that people were willing to LAN party on a game that was buggy and used an obsolete networking protocol.

what are you doing to our livestock?!?

Oh! Oh! I know! I know! Pick me!.


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~charges in~ MOOOOOOO!!!


D-... dang it Sharoth.


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We have the cutest little hot peppers! So adorable!


Holy carp~! This was awesome!


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This is all of my nostalgia given steroids and a thorough workout regimen.

Forget FF7, Square Enix needs to remake Chrono Trigger.


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Tequila Sunrise wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Ah, the joys of GM'ing as if you're preparing for a court case.

As you all know, we have a "problem player" who pretty much pitches a fit the moment you complain about anything he does, yet his entire roleplay is, "Whom can I screw over in order to further myself?"

He must bring really good snacks...

I figure it's worth a

Long gaming tirade:

When Gamers: Dorkness Rising came out in 2008, it put the "we need to play D&D bug" in my kids. In 2011 I started trying to run a D&D 4.0 campaign for them and NobodysWife. Within 2 sessions, we'd switched to Pathfinder and I was running Curse of the Crimson Throne.

At the time, both NobodysWife and I were very active at an Aikido dojo, and one of the other members invited us to join a Runequest 2 game that included several other Aikido members, including one of the instructors and his wife.

So we played, and the instructor started showing his true colors more and more: In an epically bad encounter (a 00 on an encounter roll), everyone was paired up 2-on-1 on a particularly nasty enemy (a walktapus) except me, as the instructor chose to have his PC flee instead of helping me. Needless to say, my PC died a horrible death. As the campaign progressed, we started joking about how he would always turn invisible, hide for the entire fight, and then, at the very end, appear just long enough to hit the BBEG with a final crossbow bolt, and then he'd take credit for winning the fight. Even worse, every time anyone tried to do ANYTHING, he would announce, "I'm there too!" and steal the interaction. It was... VERY irritating.
The GM decided to start messing with him, offering him more and more power in return for becoming more and more evil.
As I mentioned above, the campaign ended in a rather ugly manner because his PC had become too evil and too powerful for either the other players or the GM to deal with, and he (as a player) had taken to performing utterly stupid actions, daring the GM to kill him, with all of us knowing full well that if the GM killed him, he'd quit the group take take his wife (who's a hoot to play with) with him.
In short, it became a game of, "I'm going to do whatever the h*** I want, no matter how stupid or evil it is, and if you stop me I'm going to throw a fit and end our friendship, and there's nothing you can do about it."
Yeah, most people at that point would have said, "Oh, well, friendship isn't that important", but outside the game he's actually a perfectly nice guy. Gaming just brings out the worst in him. In spades. Like you wouldn't believe.

So the GM ended the campaign because, as he put it, "I'm losing all respect for (the instructor) as a person. If I want to maintain my friendship with him, I can no longer run this campaign."

So I tried to run Kingmaker for him.

And ALL of his worst characteristics surfaced immediately. He wanted to be a fey bloodline sorcerer who happened to be related to all fey and all noble houses in the entire area. As any of you familiar with the AP know, this is impossible. And I said as such to him. "No. The background you are requesting will break the AP." Instead of backing down, he accused me of accusing him of power-gaming and "rollplaying" instead of "roleplaying".
The weekly e-mails from him demanding more and more became so toxic that I simply ended the campaign before the end of Book 1.

For a while, we tried to socialize with him and his wife without gaming. He kept saying that he really wanted a new game. Finally, NobodysWife relented and started a Second Darkness campaign for him. He was well-behaved... for all of 6 sessions. Then all the power-mongering, arguing incessantly with the GM, and demands for all kinds of perks without having to pay for any of them started. ("I want to be related to this noble family and know everything about the city, but I can't afford to put any skill points, traits, feats, or money into it. You just need to give it to me. It's for my ROLEplaying!")
NobodysWife was the most polite of every GM so far when she said, "I could deal with the large group size, or I could deal with (the instructor), but I can't deal with both."
So she closed out that campaign.

Months passed. We were blessedly campaign-free. Then they begged and pleaded for a new campaign. Having dealt with a kids' group for months, I decided I would treat him exactly the way I treat a 10-year-old. I just say, "No," and offer no excuses. Or I overexplain. And he bristles, but so far he's been well-behaved in terms of asking for rules exceptions. Except, as usual, he's screwing over every NPC he can. For no reason, other than sheer spite.

So I can GM him, because I'm treating him as I would a child, and it's working. But he's screwing over the party by burning every possible bridge they might ever have. And the other players are beginning to bristle.

We'll see how long THIS campaign lasts. (Finishing Book 3 of Crimson Throne tomorrow, I hope...)


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Why do you continue to deal with someone like that, NH? I mean, you're in a major city, surely you can find people to play with that aren't utter campaign-killing munchkins?


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NobodysHome wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Ah, the joys of GM'ing as if you're preparing for a court case.

As you all know, we have a "problem player" who pretty much pitches a fit the moment you complain about anything he does, yet his entire roleplay is, "Whom can I screw over in order to further myself?"

He must bring really good snacks...

I figure it's worth a

** spoiler omitted **...

Inferno Negative.


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thegreenteagamer wrote:
Why do you continue to deal with someone like that, NH? I mean, you're in a major city, surely you can find people to play with that aren't utter campaign-killing munchkins?

As I said, it's not that we need the gaming -- I'm running two other games and playing in a third.

It's that if we want to keep the instructor and his wife as friends, the *only* way they want to socialize is by gaming. So I run a game for them, because I like them as people.

But it's a toxic game, and I don't particularly care for/about it.

EDIT: And honestly, that's the long and the short of it: If you're running a throwaway game you don't give a s**t about just to satisfy the problem player, and that lets you actually have social interactions with him and his wife, I'll take the hit... for now...


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Tacticslion wrote:
Um, CY: what are those donuts on this cows?

Oh, aren't those the holes they use to reach into the cows stomach? You know, so they can check on the digested material and the like.


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NobodysHome wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
Why do you continue to deal with someone like that, NH? I mean, you're in a major city, surely you can find people to play with that aren't utter campaign-killing munchkins?

As I said, it's not that we need the gaming -- I'm running two other games and playing in a third.

It's that if we want to keep the instructor and his wife as friends, the *only* way they want to socialize is by gaming. So I run a game for them, because I like them as people.

But it's a toxic game, and I don't particularly care for/about it.

Have you tried just pointing out to the guy his issues and honestly saying "Hey, that gaming style? I hate it. My wife hates it. Every player who plays with you hates it. We like you, but if you don't stop being like this, we will never play a game of any RPG with you again, and I doubt, honestly, that anyone else will over a long period of time, either," or something to that effect?

You know, step one in the fool-proof way to handle problem players.


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I dunno...seems to me if the only social interactions someone is willing to have with you is a game in which they're toxic, then all their interactions are toxic, and they, therefore are toxic.

But then, I write people off WAY easier than most...


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thegreenteagamer wrote:

I dunno...seems to me if the only social interactions someone is willing to have with you is a game in which they're toxic, then all their interactions are toxic, and they, therefore are toxic.

But then, I write people off WAY easier than most...

" . . . and you are more forgiving than I am, Lord Vader."


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thegreenteagamer wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
Why do you continue to deal with someone like that, NH? I mean, you're in a major city, surely you can find people to play with that aren't utter campaign-killing munchkins?

As I said, it's not that we need the gaming -- I'm running two other games and playing in a third.

It's that if we want to keep the instructor and his wife as friends, the *only* way they want to socialize is by gaming. So I run a game for them, because I like them as people.

But it's a toxic game, and I don't particularly care for/about it.

Have you tried just pointing out to the guy his issues and honestly saying "Hey, that gaming style? I hate it. My wife hates it. Every player who plays with you hates it. We like you, but if you don't stop being like this, we will never play a game of any RPG with you again, and I doubt, honestly, that anyone else will over a long period of time, either," or something to that effect?

You know, step one in the fool-proof way to handle problem players.

Your issue is step 1:

(1) Talk to the player like an adult.

He is not an adult. He is a man-child. He has proven this repeatedly. He pouts. He throws tantrums. He is beyond immature. He is the worst kind of toxic player you can imagine.

And yet it is ONLY in his gaming life that he is this way.

So, do you throw away an otherwise perfectly-reasonable friend because he happens to be a fricking utterly diagnosably-insane sociopath when it comes to gaming, or do you run a "throwaway game" no one takes seriously or cares about to get his sociopathic tendencies out of his system so the rest of your interactions and games run perfectly fine?


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mourge40k wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Um, CY: what are those donuts on this cows?
Oh, aren't those the holes they use to reach into the cows stomach? You know, so they can check on the digested material and the like.

It is. :-)

You haven't lived until you've reached into a cow's stomach. :-)


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I guess that's it, in short.
Yeah, I don't need the friend. I don't need the game.
But his wife desperately needs both us and the game, and I like her.

So I'm willing to take the hit, run the game, treat him like a 10-year-old, and it's going fine for me.

If the other players all quit, then I can honestly tell him, "Sorry. I did my best, but your play style is so toxic I can find no players willing to play with you, so I won't be running for you."

In the meantime, I'm just having all his interactions coming home to roost in the next few sessions. You can't screw over everybody all the time without it coming back to bite you on occasion...


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I had an outside game where this one guy pretty much used the game to be a chauvinistic a#+&!!# to his girlfriend and any other woman.

It didn't end well for him. :-)


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NobodysHome wrote:


So, do you throw away an otherwise perfectly-reasonable friend because he happens to be a fricking utterly diagnosably-insane sociopath when it comes to gaming, or do you run a "throwaway game" no one takes seriously or cares about to get his sociopathic tendencies out of his system so the rest of your interactions and games run perfectly fine?

Me, personally? I refuse to game with them, and if that ends the friendship, then how good of a friend could they possibly have been in the first place?

I dealt with a flaky friend in exactly this way. We now talk on Facebook, but that's about it, because I got tired of his flaky ass flaking every damn time we were going to game and then b!#%@ing about how he never gets to play Pathfinder...he doesn't seem to like when I comment things like "Well, maybe if you actually SHOWED UP for a session instead of always having some issue pop up last minute..."


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My brothers have a long standing invitation to game with us any Saturday. It's been four years and they've made exactly one session. But that's as far as I'm going with it, don't wanna get worked up.

Friday!!!!


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captain yesterday wrote:

My brothers have a long standing invitation to game with us any Saturday. It's been four years and they've made exactly one session. But that's as far as I'm going with it, don't wanna get worked up.

Friday!!!!

Well the thing is, I had two games that fell to crap because of this guy.

One was he and his wife were playing with me and my wife as a couples session. His wife is as flaky as he was. They made one session together, then he came, then she came, then they both just stopped coming.

The other one the other players and the GM didn't want to continue without him, and kept believing his excuses, and they always sound legit, but that's an awful huge string of coincidences in a row, repeatedly. Life always got in the way for him.

Not in the way of the bar, mind you, or the club, or the concert, or literally anything else.


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Classic mistake in decking.

New young couple in the neighborhood "Oh the deck is in, time to get some furniture, crack open a beer and pat ourselves on the back"

Captain Yesterday (thinking to himself) " aren't you going to put a finish on that..."


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In my Fallout game, the former Disney World which has become a hub of technology based around the actual underground city in the theme park known as Kingdom. Surrounding it is the ruins of Orlando, full of feral ghouls.

The party gets assaulted by...a LOT...of feral ghouls. Now, Kingdom sends out regular patrols to escort people into the city (for a fee) because you can't sell to dead people.

The patrol that finds them? Two guys named Chip and Dale, and yes, their bus does happen to say "the Rescue Rangers", why do you ask?


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You really should be able to favorite with aliases, some posts are worth the effort. That is one of them. :-)


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LOL. I was getting worried that TL hadn't favorited any of my posts in over an hour!

You're slacking, old man!

(Says the man who already knows he's several years older than TL...)

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