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Egads! If Rags was a teenager when it came out, and Freehold was eight, that means I was ten, which leads to the conclusion that A) Rags isn't that much older than me, and B) I really need to find the Vegas of time traveling, which is where I suspect I'll find future Golarion.


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Ragadolf wrote:
(Masters of the Universe movie mentioned)

Cannot... look away... from Meg Foster's eyes...


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On another note, Today is June First. My 20th Wedding anniversary.

I can't believe she's put up with me for that long. ;P

And I have been so busy at work that I haven't prepared anything special for today.

I didn't forget about it! I've just been busy! Yeah, that's my story... :/

Time for the wizard to go pull out another wondrous save.


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Why does this always happen to me at the Zoo! It's the Call of the Wild premiere all over again!


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captain yesterday wrote:
... A) Rags isn't that much older than me, and B) I really need to find the Vegas of time traveling, which is where I suspect I'll find future Golarion.

You must fight Matthew Broderick to the death, and steal his immortal hand of Dick "Vecna" Clark.


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Go Rags! Happy anniversary!


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captain yesterday wrote:
Egads! If Rags was a teenager when it came out, and Freehold was eight, that means I was ten, which leads to the conclusion that A) Rags isn't that much older than me, and B) I really need to find the Vegas of time traveling, which is where I suspect I'll find future Golarion.

<Quick search of Google>

Ah, Sorry,

Flash Gordon came out when I was in High School, (Came out in 1980, I graduated HS in 1984)

Masters of the Universe came out in 1987, So I was already into my second College/University by then. (I was 21)

So I'm a little bit older than you thought? :)

EDIT- And also, sign me up for the trip to the Vegas of Time traveling to Golarion! I'm in!


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Ragadolf wrote:

But that's OK, I live in America, where we are free to like or dislike any TV or Movie that we see. :D

You're wrong old man, you'll like what I scream at you to like

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Ragadolf wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Egads! If Rags was a teenager when it came out, and Freehold was eight, that means I was ten, which leads to the conclusion that A) Rags isn't that much older than me, and B) I really need to find the Vegas of time traveling, which is where I suspect I'll find future Golarion.

<Quick search of Google>

Ah, Sorry,

Flash Gordon came out when I was in High School, (Came out in 1980, I graduated HS in 1984)

Masters of the Universe came out in 1987, So I was already into my second College/University by then. (I was 21)

So I'm a little bit older than you thought? :)

EDIT- And also, sign me up for the trip to the Vegas of Time traveling to Golarion! I'm in!

Looks like me and the wizard graduated HS the same year


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Unreliable Narrator wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
... A) Rags isn't that much older than me, and B) I really need to find the Vegas of time traveling, which is where I suspect I'll find future Golarion.
You must fight Matthew Broderick to the death, and steal his immortal hand of Dick "Vecna" Clark.

He wrestled it away from Ryan Seacrest then, I'd thought Seacrest was looking rather emaciated and Lichy, good for him!


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captain yesterday wrote:
Unreliable Narrator wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
... A) Rags isn't that much older than me, and B) I really need to find the Vegas of time traveling, which is where I suspect I'll find future Golarion.
You must fight Matthew Broderick to the death, and steal his immortal hand of Dick "Vecna" Clark.
He wrestled it away from Ryan Seacrest then, I'd thought Seacrest was looking rather emaciated and Lichy, good for him!

That,... explains a lot actually! :)


Ragadolf wrote:

On another note, Today is June First. My 20th Wedding anniversary.

I can't believe she's put up with me for that long. ;P

And I have been so busy at work that I haven't prepared anything special for today.

I didn't forget about it! I've just been busy! Yeah, that's my story... :/

Time for the wizard to go pull out another wondrous save.

Happy Aniversary! That's wonderful! Congratulations!


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Ragadolf wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Egads! If Rags was a teenager when it came out, and Freehold was eight, that means I was ten, which leads to the conclusion that A) Rags isn't that much older than me, and B) I really need to find the Vegas of time traveling, which is where I suspect I'll find future Golarion.

<Quick search of Google>

Ah, Sorry,

Flash Gordon came out when I was in High School, (Came out in 1980, I graduated HS in 1984)

Masters of the Universe came out in 1987, So I was already into my second College/University by then. (I was 21)

So I'm a little bit older than you thought? :)

EDIT- And also, sign me up for the trip to the Vegas of Time traveling to Golarion! I'm in!

Future Golarion. :-)

Starfinder, coming next summer!


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Tiny T-Rex rode the Zoo train all by himself for the first time. He sat in a car full of girls his age (almost five), that he chatted with the entire time, and by the time he got off he knew all their names.

That's my little dude!


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Now he's telling every single kid he walks by "my dad has a secret fear of heights" followed by "he really should confront it" and then if they're still listening "have you seen any water towers?"

I guess driving over Loveland Pass and installing Christmas lights at Mcmansions no longer qualifies. :-)


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Treppa would get the Loveland Pass reference. :-(

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I've done Loveland pass...in the summer, there is no way I would attempt that during winter


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It was end of August when I did it, but I didn't realize I would be driving around the top of a mountain when I did it. I just thought it was way quicker.

Also I'm incredibly afraid of heights. :-)


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The Whedonverse wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Sharoth wrote:

I hear that Joss Whedon is planning on doing a Gatchaman movie.

** spoiler omitted **

he'd probably just do a shot for shot remake of the 90s ova and slap his name on it.

Like he does with everything.

Slaps name on Freehold's bum.

I'm gonna really jump the shark with this one...

it's the only way you will ever approach my greatness.


captain yesterday wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Sharoth wrote:

I hear that Joss Whedon is planning on doing a Gatchaman movie.

** spoiler omitted **

he'd probably just do a shot for shot remake of the 90s ova and slap his name on it.

Like he does with everything.
Okay... whaaaaaaat? I've never seen him shot-for-shot anything. Mind telling where you've seen this?
Buffy's pretty much just a slightly more violent and gory Devil Hunter Yohko/Ghost Sweeper Mikami melange

fify


Tacticslion wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
As a world creator he's...decent. The one thing he didn't "re-imagine" was Firefly, and I thought that a universe without ANY aliens was a nice change in pace. It was totally a Cowboy Bebop ripoff, though.

I disagree with this.

While I love Cowboy Bebop (and Outlaw Star), the entire set-up, crew, and so on are very different in Firefly and Cowboy Bebop. If anything, I could see Firefly as taking strong inspirations from Outlaw Star - even more so than Cowboy Bebop, what with whole "container opened to reveal a naked girl inside (who proves to be special)" thing.

The rest of the cultures and concepts are extremely different - but I will own up to that being a scene-recreation, now that I've remembered it.

With Whedon, I've enjoyed most of the things he's touched - Alien: Resurrection being a notable exception, and one that he's on record as having had problems with studio meddling.

even when faced with Whedon's clear and present plagiarism, fans rally to his defense and pretend resurrection was the studio's fault. *sigh*


Ragadolf wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:

I will let you know what I think of Joss Whedon as a director when I see Avengers 3 without him. I liked 1&2, but the best way to define his directing is to take a product that's otherwise the same and remove him from it - that will be the case with Avengers 3 - same actors, writers, budget, producers, etc, but the director will change. If it's better, he's not great, if it's worse, he's probably a good director.

It's kind of impossible to isolate the effects of the director because a good director can't make up for bad actors and writing, and even a bad director has a hard time ruining good actors and writing.

As a world creator he's...decent. The one thing he didn't "re-imagine" was Firefly, and I thought that a universe without ANY aliens was a nice change in pace. It was totally a Cowboy Bebop ripoff, though.

As a writer, he's cliched and tends to radically modify characters for the purpose of following trends.

I don't hate him, but he's definitely overrated. Also, he seems incapable of producing anything that isn't a ripoff or "re-imagining" of something someone else did.

(Italics Mine)

Oh, so he's the modern day Shakespeare?!? COOL! :)
So one day all our descendants will be singing the praises of Whedon? The greatest director who ever lived?!? ;P

Sorry all you haters of the Whedonverse. But I actually like most of his stuff. :)
(I say most because I'm pretty sure that I haven't seen everything that he's done.) (?) I'm pretty sure that he's done stuff I wouldn't like.

But that's OK, I live in America, where we are free to like or dislike any TV or Movie that we see. :D

you are free to like what you will.

I know where whedon gets his "genius" from though. Japan.


Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Sharoth wrote:

I hear that Joss Whedon is planning on doing a Gatchaman movie.

** spoiler omitted **

he'd probably just do a shot for shot remake of the 90s ova and slap his name on it.

Like he does with everything.

¬_¬

Wait, I missed the segue. When did we switch to dissing Tarantino? ;)

when did Tarantino pull a whedon?


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Freehold DM wrote:
Ragadolf wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:

I will let you know what I think of Joss Whedon as a director when I see Avengers 3 without him. I liked 1&2, but the best way to define his directing is to take a product that's otherwise the same and remove him from it - that will be the case with Avengers 3 - same actors, writers, budget, producers, etc, but the director will change. If it's better, he's not great, if it's worse, he's probably a good director.

It's kind of impossible to isolate the effects of the director because a good director can't make up for bad actors and writing, and even a bad director has a hard time ruining good actors and writing.

As a world creator he's...decent. The one thing he didn't "re-imagine" was Firefly, and I thought that a universe without ANY aliens was a nice change in pace. It was totally a Cowboy Bebop ripoff, though.

As a writer, he's cliched and tends to radically modify characters for the purpose of following trends.

I don't hate him, but he's definitely overrated. Also, he seems incapable of producing anything that isn't a ripoff or "re-imagining" of something someone else did.

(Italics Mine)

Oh, so he's the modern day Shakespeare?!? COOL! :)
So one day all our descendants will be singing the praises of Whedon? The greatest director who ever lived?!? ;P

Sorry all you haters of the Whedonverse. But I actually like most of his stuff. :)
(I say most because I'm pretty sure that I haven't seen everything that he's done.) (?) I'm pretty sure that he's done stuff I wouldn't like.

But that's OK, I live in America, where we are free to like or dislike any TV or Movie that we see. :D

you are free to like what you will.

I know where whedon gets his "genius" from though. Japan.

*Cough* *Cough*. Star Wars. *Cough* *Cough* Hidden Fortress. *Cough* *Cough*


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The point being, Whedon is hardly the first (nor the last) to steal outright from Japanese movies and/or anime.

Unsurprisingly, it's what a lot of "great" American films and TV series have done over the decades. Calling Whedon and Whedon alone on it is... unkind.


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I believe "selective" is the word you're looking for.


NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Ragadolf wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:

I will let you know what I think of Joss Whedon as a director when I see Avengers 3 without him. I liked 1&2, but the best way to define his directing is to take a product that's otherwise the same and remove him from it - that will be the case with Avengers 3 - same actors, writers, budget, producers, etc, but the director will change. If it's better, he's not great, if it's worse, he's probably a good director.

It's kind of impossible to isolate the effects of the director because a good director can't make up for bad actors and writing, and even a bad director has a hard time ruining good actors and writing.

As a world creator he's...decent. The one thing he didn't "re-imagine" was Firefly, and I thought that a universe without ANY aliens was a nice change in pace. It was totally a Cowboy Bebop ripoff, though.

As a writer, he's cliched and tends to radically modify characters for the purpose of following trends.

I don't hate him, but he's definitely overrated. Also, he seems incapable of producing anything that isn't a ripoff or "re-imagining" of something someone else did.

(Italics Mine)

Oh, so he's the modern day Shakespeare?!? COOL! :)
So one day all our descendants will be singing the praises of Whedon? The greatest director who ever lived?!? ;P

Sorry all you haters of the Whedonverse. But I actually like most of his stuff. :)
(I say most because I'm pretty sure that I haven't seen everything that he's done.) (?) I'm pretty sure that he's done stuff I wouldn't like.

But that's OK, I live in America, where we are free to like or dislike any TV or Movie that we see. :D

you are free to like what you will.

I know where whedon gets his "genius" from though. Japan.

*Cough* *Cough*. Star Wars. *Cough* *Cough* Hidden Fortress. *Cough* *Cough*

one movie where the creator lamented(and still laments) being unable to get the actor who practically invented the samurai action film(possibly due to racism and produced another movie only recently that he has always wanted to make that he had trouble creating due to racism despite being a celebrated director and producer) vs. an entire career of easily recognized blatantly plagiarized material? That's an unfair comparison.


NobodysHome wrote:

The point being, Whedon is hardly the first (nor the last) to steal outright from Japanese movies and/or anime.

Unsurprisingly, it's what a lot of "great" American films and TV series have done over the decades. Calling Whedon and Whedon alone on it is... unkind.

no.

Everyone should be called out on it.

Whedon is just the most blatant about it and revels in the most popularity despite it.


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I would love to have this conversation with you over dinner and a beer (or iced tea for me), but the flight would be prohibitively expensive.

From my viewpoint, the conversation was:
FHDM: Whedon is a hack because he plagiarizes Japanese material.
NBH: Lucas did it too.
FHDM: Lucas gets a pass because he tried to include one of the original actors and make it clear it was a tribute rather than a rip-off.
FHDM: "Everyone should be called out on it."

So while I fundamentally understand your separation of Lucas and Whedon, and your claim that Whedon is the worst offender (I'll agree he's certainly the most popular, though I'd have to check good old Ute's track record), I'd love to have a conversation on, "When is it homage, and when is it plagiarism?"


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Can I plagiarize that.

Captain Yesterday's guide to Creating The Best Homage, and Things To Do When Nobodyshome


Freehold DM wrote:
even when faced with Whedon's clear and present plagiarism, fans rally to his defense and pretend resurrection was the studio's fault. *sigh*

Um. I'm the one that called him out on it in this case?

Are there any other instances? I'd be very interested for a (more) complete list (rather than, "You know that one scene he copied that one time in a show that was otherwise rather different?").

As a for-instance, I don't recall space-pirates, ships grappling, magic guns, projector eye-pieces, or cat-people (or a mind-controlling cactus selling ice cream) in Firefly, nor do I recall a Chinese-American-descent federation, a strongly bilingual culture, or civil war (though there was, I think, jurisdictional disputes via four major civilizations) in Outlaw Star.

For everything else, Ragadolf and NH have pretty much covered my opening arguments and impressions.
(Well, that and you hold Whedon to one standard while remaining seemingly unconcerned about Bay's particular quirks. Soooo...)

I've no problem with people not liking stuff, or disagreeing about it! I just want us to be honest about our reasoning. :)


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NobodysHome wrote:

I would love to have this conversation with you over dinner and a beer (or iced tea for me), but the flight would be prohibitively expensive.

From my viewpoint, the conversation was:
FHDM: Whedon is a hack because he plagiarizes Japanese material.
NBH: Lucas did it too.
FHDM: Lucas gets a pass because he tried to include one of the original actors and make it clear it was a tribute rather than a rip-off.
FHDM: "Everyone should be called out on it."

So while I fundamentally understand your separation of Lucas and Whedon, and your claim that Whedon is the worst offender (I'll agree he's certainly the most popular, though I'd have to check good old Ute's track record), I'd love to have a conversation on, "When is it homage, and when is it plagiarism?"

An homage is one film. Plagiarism is a career.

No need to call out Lucas, who has stated in just about every form of media we have that his work was meant to be an homage.


Tacticslion wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
even when faced with Whedon's clear and present plagiarism, fans rally to his defense and pretend resurrection was the studio's fault. *sigh*

Um. I'm the one that called him out on it in this case?

Are there any other instances? I'd be very interested for a (more) complete list (rather than, "You know that one scene he copied that one time in a show that was otherwise rather different?").

As a for-instance, I don't recall space-pirates, ships grappling, magic guns, projector eye-pieces, or cat-people (or a mind-controlling cactus selling ice cream) in Firefly, nor do I recall a Chinese-American-descent federation, a strongly bilingual culture, or civil war (though there was, I think, jurisdictional disputes via four major civilizations) in Outlaw Star.

For everything else, Ragadolf and NH have pretty much covered my opening arguments and impressions.
(Well, that and you hold Whedon to one standard while remaining seemingly unconcerned about Bay's particular quirks. Soooo...)

I've no problem with people not liking stuff, or disagreeing about it! I just want us to be honest about our reasoning. :)

no space pirates in firefly? What do you think the main characters were?

Ship mounted grappling hooks were prevalent in firefly. Good to know they washed them after usage. :-D

Magic guns? A point in your favor. As is projector eye pieces, and cat people and mind controlling cacti. One could make the argument that this was where he left outlaw star for cowboy bebop, though.

Chinese American federation/bilingual society, though? Watched much anime lately, omae? The art form has brought Japan and America closer- one could suggest that you swap China for Japan in the series and you'd be jake. I have heard at least one rumor that China was intentionally used instead of Japan to avoid this particular parallel, but I have no evidence beyond my blinding hatred /distrust of Whedon.

Swapping a civil war for a territorial dispute is not that hard.

And bay is far, far from perfect and deserves his harsh criticism at times. I simply hold whedon to the same standard.


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I guess you'll all have to duel it out in Starfinder.

Plasma Blade, Chainsaw, or Monowhip?

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Looks to the sky

Up there?? You want me to go up there?


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I guess you'll all have to duel it out in Starfinder.

Plasma Blade, Chainsaw, or Monowhip?

plasma blade. My righteous fury must cleave cleanly through my foes and cauterize their wounds instantly.

I also need to collect their Browncoats afterwards for comfortable sleep.


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Bird watching is so fun! Bird bath has been an awesome addition to the garden.

It would seem nine of twelve corn planted is coming up, and 3/4 of the peas. Not quite sure why as the flood path peas are doing quite well. The hot peppers are growing the best and the melons aren't far behind.

Also the tomatoes are taking off! And same with the General's milkweed (Monarch butterflies love that stuff!)

Looking to be a robust year for my garden. :-)


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I'm annoyed they moved Deep Space FaWtL away from Starfinder. >:-(

Now I know how Nobodyshome feels about the campaign journals.

"Dang ol' I just walked a mile in your dang ol shoes I tell you what" - Boomhauer


I wanna plllaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy...


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Iron Gods Tacticslion.

Resistance is futile.


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Question time!

Does anyone know what the 3pp undersea campaign setting is called.

I can't remember it.


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I'm listening to a homeless guy teaching a pair of German tourists who Hitler was as if they've never heard of the man. It's hilarious.


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Okay, now he's talking to them like they're personally responsible for the Holocaust and it's not funny anymore. And apparently our mayor is a former Chinese assassin.

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captain yesterday wrote:
Does anyone know what the 3pp undersea campaign setting is called.

Cerulean Seas?


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captain yesterday wrote:

Question time!

Does anyone know what the 3pp undersea campaign setting is called.

I can't remember it.

Cerulean Seas, I think...


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*checks Mikazemass-gifted pdfs* Yep. Cerulean Seas.


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*pokes TOZ* Hey! You are supposed to be a marine, not ninja!


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Though with historical role of marines as naval infantry speaking about marine setting is appropriate...


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In fact the proper Polish term for marines is piechota morska which literally means "infantry (of) sea" (the second word is actually an adjective which sometimes goes after the noun, depending upon exact quality described), though the Polonized word "marins" is commonly used since 90s. As a singular word, pluralized when needed using rules of Polish grammar.

Shadow Lodge

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Drejk wrote:
*pokes TOZ* Hey! You are supposed to be a marine, not ninja!

Wopah! *flips out*

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