If we do daemons in book three, it'd likely be called something like: "Book of the Damned 3: Horsemen of Apocalypse."
James is being cagey. When we started talking about this series YEARS ago we came up with names for three titles - turns out a series with topics this well discussed and/or close to our black hearts named themselves in like 5 minutes. There's always been the idea to do three, or five, or ninety, or until we get bored of talking about fiends (Ha!). Willingness is one thing, though, and good business decisions are another. So, if you want to see a third one, let's keep on hearing it! And - probably the best way to affect the changes you want - open those purse strings and make sure the folks bankrolling our blasphemies know you're picking up what you like! Just like at the movies, it's way easier to get "Part Y" released when "Part X" is a proven success.
Todd who?Book of the Damned vol.3: Bringers of Annihilation
written by: Todd Stewart
Make it happen, Captain!
Can't say I'm that familiar with that particular mortal, but I heard that he could make things more confusing and rather than his first name, he could use his middle name: Wesley.
If we do daemons in book three, it'd likely be called something like: "Book of the Damned 3: Horsemen of Apocalypse."James is being cagey. When we started talking about this series YEARS ago we came up with names for three titles - turns out a series with topics this well discussed and/or close to our black hearts named themselves in like 5 minutes. There's always been the idea to do three, or five, or ninety, or until we get bored of talking about fiends (Ha!). Willingness is one thing, though, and good business decisions are another. So, if you want to see a third one, let's keep on hearing it! And - probably the best way to affect the changes you want - open those purse strings and make sure the folks bankrolling our blasphemies know you're picking up what you like! Just like at the movies, it's way easier to get "Part Y" released when "Part X" is a proven success.
I'll take a third, fourth, fifth, and so on until all fiend categories are covered. Afterwards, I'll take celestials, proteans, inevitables, and æons.
I'd be all in for a third book. Gimme!
I'll pre-order the third book today, if that's what it takes to get it made.
I have done my part via buying both Books of the Damned so far.
Ball's in your courts now fellas.
I've bought the two first ones (the Demon-one twice), and the only thing that could make me excited about a third would be if it were about the Div rather than the Daemons. I suspect I'm in a minority there, however.
But the important thing is: Third Book of the Damned = Sold.
I buy every book you guys put out on general principle. Years ago, when the wife and I first married, I had a set 'budget' that I spent on RPG goodies every month. When 4e came out, I left WotC altogether. Now, with the odd exception of the occasional miniature from Reaper, you guys get the entirety of that budget - even when it is something I may not use immediately.
So, for my money, as long as you continue with at least $50 MSRP worth of books each month, you got it.
I'd love to see some more books of the damned, the series gets better with each release imho.
Can we get back to pestering James about handing over the daemon book to Todd and planning future volumes on other Evil outsiders? Pretty please with a fiendish cherry on the top!
In Todd's hands, this could be an encyclopedia. Not that I'm complaining mind you. Damn the word count! :p
This is good to know. I hated the CR 21 nonsense that started showing up WotC's fiend books; a balor can stand on its tiphooves and get crowned Archfiend in 3.5.Does the knowledge that the CR 21–24 demon lords I statted up for Fiendish Codex I were intended to be avatars of creatures that were actually CR 26–32 make that feel any better?
That's excellent to know, because that's exactly how I use them. Well, except that the masters are just a wee bit higher than CR 32 :)
But enough of that ... I want to hear more about BoTD 3 and 4!
I'd let Trelmarixian the Black do whatever he liked to my soul as long as we got a book on Daemons.
PLEASE.
I'd even let him use whipped cream and a box of chocolates with it as long as we get a book on daemons. Please?
Whoa! Careful now! Let's not agree to anything that we're going to regret for the rest of eternity.
but you'd also be basically handing the reins over to Playstation in the US Console war. You don't wanna do that, do you?
Well, yes, actually. And rightfully so.
Well, I'd like a book on Good Outsiders. Maybe Three.
Make that a useful book too.
Agathions
AngelsArchons
Azatas
Each deserves their own book; hell, I'd like to see more types of celestials.
but you'd also be basically handing the reins over to Playstation in the US Console war. You don't wanna do that, do you?Well, yes, actually. And rightfully so.
Playstation will own me so long as the Disgaea series of games is exclusive to the PS1/2/3 etc. :) So waiting for Disgaea 4 to come out later this year.
I'd even let him use whipped cream and a box of chocolates with it as long as we get a book on daemons. Please?I'd let Trelmarixian the Black do whatever he liked to my soul as long as we got a book on Daemons.
PLEASE.
I'd also let Tremarixian the Black do whatever he liked to gang and Gorbacz's souls as long as we get a book on Daemons.
will there be a 3rd for daemons?Would you like there to be?
Cause I know I would...
;-)
Hell yes, I would!
Uh, I mean... Abaddon yes, I would!
Why Demogorgon isn't in any book?
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Why Demogorgon isn't in any book?
Yup, as Gorbacz says, while the name "Demogorgon" is from myth... that's really ALL that's from myth. It was, as far as I know, a name some monk slipped into an old text he was translating/illuminating/whatever back in around the 6th century; he needed a scary evil sounding name for some reason and made up "Demogorgon." It's kind of a made up word that's a mishmash of Greek roots. It doesn't really mean anything.
Gygax took the name (as had Milton and Melville and other authors before him) and made it into something more. In this case, a cool two-headed tentacled demon god. THAT incarnation of Demogorgon has not appeared in any open content books nor has it appeared in any SRD; it is owned lock, stock, and barrel by Wizards of the Coast, and thus we can't touch it.
We COULD, if we wanted, make up an entirely new demon lord for the Golarion version of Demogorgon, but I think that's a really terrible idea. I'd rather let Demogorgon stay who he has been for 3 decades or so, so folks (including ME!) can use him in their home games as he was meant to be in RPGs. By not developing him more, and by not "overwriting" him with something else, that door stays open.
Fortunately, he's had a lot written about him already. Much of it by me, in fact (see Dragon #357 or Fiendish Codex I).
Why Demogorgon isn't in any book?
He got a name-drop in Lords of Chaos, but that's all we'll see for the reasons James mentioned.
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One could, if one were feeling frisky and unafraid of lawyers, come up with Gorgodemon, a demonic prince of the Abyss with two baboon's butts, and tentacle legs, and the head of a snake.
But I wouldn't. Litigation fears aside... demons are serious business! Jokey demons have no place in my books!
will there be a 3rd for daemons?Would you like there to be?
Cause I know I would...
;-)
I'm pretty sure enough people on these boards alone have requested it. Now it's a matter of time of it appearing on the product schedule ;)
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I'm pretty sure enough people on these boards alone have requested it. Now it's a matter of time of it appearing on the product schedule ;)will there be a 3rd for daemons?Would you like there to be?
Cause I know I would...
;-)
People have been asking for this book ever since the tradition of starting up a series on fiends that covers demons and devils and then peters out began, actually. Step one: get daemons into print in Bestiary 2. We can check that step off, obviously, and move on to step 2. Whatever that might be...
i lol every time some one post here
i could have not started this better if i knew it would happen
I would buy any/all books that focused on Azatas, Angels, Oni, Daemons, Agathions, Inevitables, Azuras, Aeons, Qlippoths, Archons, and/or Proteons.
Step 2 is crack that whip and get someone to write it! :D
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James, if Paizo's serious about BotD III, then consider a copy sold to me already.
And +1 to the suggestions for Books on the Blessed -- even if there is less demand for blessed outsiders like angels, etc. (because, in truth PC heroes are rarely fighting the immortal "good guys"), I'm sure at least one book on all the important ones would be well received. Monte Cook had some material for 3.5 I liked where clerics could summon more in the way of celestials instead of the usual critters.
But yeah, BotD III is +3.
Remember travellers: Don't pay the Ferryman!...
People have been asking for this book ever since the tradition of starting up a series on fiends that covers demons and devils and then peters out began, actually. Step one: get daemons into print in Bestiary 2. We can check that step off, obviously, and move on to step 2. Whatever that might be...
James, I have a friend that bought Green Ronin's "Legions of Hell" and "Armies of the Abyss" and then was pissed when "Hordes of Gehenna" was canceled and combined with the previous two in "The Book of Fiends" because he didn't want to buy the first two products over again just to get the third.
Then he bought "Fiendish Codex I" and "Fiendish Codex II" from WotC and then cursed Fourth Edition for ensuring that no Fiendish Codex III was forthcoming.
I frequently show him some of the great stuff I buy from Paizo and that he might be interested in "Book of the Damned Volume 1: Princes of Darkness" and "Book of the Damned Volume 2: Lords of Chaos."
His reply is he's not buying any of it until a book on daemons is released. So, not only can you count on him buying Volume 3, but he'll get vols. 1 and 2 as well!
according to some guy whose initials are JJ and who has his own ask him anything thread, there appears to be a pattern: Devils in 09, Demons in '10, and we just began '11....
The dead bigfootsGreat name for a Paizo indie band!
And the backup singers could be the Screamin' Harpies