So where in Golarion is


Lost Omens Campaign Setting General Discussion


the most torturous prison of all Golarion??

Sovereign Court

That'd be the Pit of Gormuz, in the central plains of Casmaron, where Rovagug, the Breaker of Chains, has been unjustly imprisoned by the Sun-B$~$# Sarenrae and the Prince of Lies.

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Oh, I dunno, I'd guess somewhere in Nidal probably.

'course, that might just be me...

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Well, the Monolith in Isarn in Galt is Golarion's Bastille analogue, except that it hasn't fallen in forty years. Of course with Galtish pride being what it is, they would proudly say that it is Golarion's most "humane" prison, the same way as the Final Blades are the most "humane" form of execution.

Given forty years of schizophrenic administration changes, I think the number of prisoners in the Monolith who are utterly barking mad by this point must be pretty high.


cappadocius wrote:
That'd be the Pit of Gormuz, in the central plains of Casmaron, where Rovagug, the Breaker of Chains, has been unjustly imprisoned by the Sun-b%&@* Sarenrae and the Prince of Lies.

that is the prince of lies talking.... how do you know taht she and big A locked him up down there


Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:

Well, the Monolith in Isarn in Galt is Golarion's Bastille analogue, except that it hasn't fallen in forty years. Of course with Galtish pride being what it is, they would proudly say that it is Golarion's most "humane" prison, the same way as the Final Blades are the most "humane" form of execution.

Given forty years of schizophrenic administration changes, I think the number of prisoners in the Monolith who are utterly barking mad by this point must be pretty high.

is that the one that goes down into the darklands??

if so I did not mean that one

as that one should be given the shaft into the darklands

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Steelfiredragon wrote:
Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:

Well, the Monolith in Isarn in Galt is Golarion's Bastille analogue, except that it hasn't fallen in forty years. Of course with Galtish pride being what it is, they would proudly say that it is Golarion's most "humane" prison, the same way as the Final Blades are the most "humane" form of execution.

Given forty years of schizophrenic administration changes, I think the number of prisoners in the Monolith who are utterly barking mad by this point must be pretty high.

is that the one that goes down into the darklands??

if so I did not mean that one

as that one should be given the shaft into the darklands

I don't know if the Monolith officially leads down to the Darklands, but since Isarn is an analogue of Paris, and Paris has its catacombs (and the current issue of National Geographic has a marvelous article about them), I'd say they'd be missing a big trick if the deepest dungeons of the Monolith didn't in fact connect to the Darklands in some fashion, since every winecellar and church basement in Isarn must too.

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If I'm recalling things correctly, the

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derro use some areas of Galt, perhaps the Monolith to gain access to subject for their experimentation.

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That'd be the Dread Dungeons; and yes, they do connect up to the Darklands, and yes it is a pretty foul and harrowing dungeon/prison.


outside of GAlt...

I hate Galt

I wish there was a dungeon/prison book of golarion...

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Steelfiredragon wrote:

outside of GAlt...

I hate Galt

I wish there was a dungeon/prison book of golarion...

There will be.


Liz Courts wrote:
Steelfiredragon wrote:

outside of GAlt...

I hate Galt

I wish there was a dungeon/prison book of golarion...

There will be.

I had forgotten about that one

I still hate Galt

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Hate is a strong word.

Why do you dislike Galt, out of curiosity?


the final blades are over kill

their government is corrupt and the over use of the blades of Galt might be why,

better off to sneak in, and cast a nation wide dweaomer and disenchant every item icluding the final blades.
kill off the grey ones and the governemtn and then turn it back over to TAldor.

then institgate a rebellion, kill off the prince nut job III and put his daughter on the throne.

and then after that negotiate a peace treaty between them and Andoran.

everybody would be happy, save those fools in Cheliax

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Steelfiredragon wrote:

the final blades are over kill

their government is corrupt and the over use of the blades of Galt might be why,

better off to sneak in, and cast a nation wide dweaomer and disenchant every item icluding the final blades.
kill off the grey ones and the governemtn and then turn it back over to TAldor.

then institgate a rebellion, kill off the prince nut job III and put his daughter on the throne.

and then after that negotiate a peace treaty between them and Andoran.

everybody would be happy, save those fools in Cheliax

Well, yes, but then you'd have a wannabe utopia and one of the first things they'd do is institute prison reform, meaning that you'd no long have the "most tortuous prison in all Golarion." The prize for that would then pass to Katapesh or somewhere where they like keeping official torturers on staff and they raise it to a high art, but even then the question comes as to whether it's "the most tortuous prison in Golarion" due to have the most qualified torturer practicing his art in service of some caliph or wazir or whether the "most tortuous" tag comes from some base standard of disservice for all the prisoners, not just those singled out for special attention.


naah

the dungeon would still be there.

and Taldor would only be able to keep it until the next wannabe dictator come by and takes over taking Galt away from Taldor......

sides prince nut job III's daughter might not be any better than him anyway

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Steelfiredragon wrote:

naah

the dungeon would still be there.

and Taldor would only be able to keep it until the next wannabe dictator come by and takes over taking Galt away from Taldor......

sides prince nut job III's daughter might not be any better than him anyway

Then rearrange as you like. It's your personal game.


Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
Steelfiredragon wrote:

the final blades are over kill

their government is corrupt and the over use of the blades of Galt might be why,

better off to sneak in, and cast a nation wide dweaomer and disenchant every item icluding the final blades.
kill off the grey ones and the governemtn and then turn it back over to TAldor.

then institgate a rebellion, kill off the prince nut job III and put his daughter on the throne.

and then after that negotiate a peace treaty between them and Andoran.

everybody would be happy, save those fools in Cheliax

Well, yes, but then you'd have a wannabe utopia and one of the first things they'd do is institute prison reform, meaning that you'd no long have the "most tortuous prison in all Golarion." The prize for that would then pass to Katapesh or somewhere where they like keeping official torturers on staff and they raise it to a high art, but even then the question comes as to whether it's "the most tortuous prison in Golarion" due to have the most qualified torturer practicing his art in service of some caliph or wazir or whether the "most tortuous" tag comes from some base standard of disservice for all the prisoners, not just those singled out for special attention.

Personally, I love Galt, since I think it combines well with Taldor for swashbuckling fantasy.

Have you heard of the Death of a Thousand Cuts? I actually read a book on it...

Sovereign Court

Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
meaning that you'd no long have the "most tortuous prison in all Golarion."

I still find it to be statistically unlikely that Avistan, of all places, has the most torturous prison in the WORLD, especially since there are places elsewhere run by Drow, Derro, Aboleth, or worse. We don't even KNOW anything about southern Garund, eastern Casmaron, Tian-Xia, or Sarusan.

Plus, I doubt the mooks in Galt's little supermax are being constantly devoured by chitinous horrors spawned by a god, like anyone/anything trapped in the Pit of Gormuz.


This quaint little demiplane that I call home. Please do come visit. Mind you, it's a matter of discussion if the whole 'prison' thing is from my perspective or the souls that I have scattered about to keep me company. >:)

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Well, my opinion is quite different than the typical "Oh, the Drow city" or "Gotta be Nidal" stuff.

I would choose the most Good aligned community and put it within. Maybe Almas or Kyonin or something.

It just seems apropos that the "goodest" of communities would have the "evilest" of torturers (in its prison).

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cappadocius wrote:
Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
meaning that you'd no long have the "most tortuous prison in all Golarion."

I still find it to be statistically unlikely that Avistan, of all places, has the most torturous prison in the WORLD, especially since there are places elsewhere run by Drow, Derro, Aboleth, or worse. We don't even KNOW anything about southern Garund, eastern Casmaron, Tian-Xia, or Sarusan.

Plus, I doubt the mooks in Galt's little supermax are being constantly devoured by chitinous horrors spawned by a god, like anyone/anything trapped in the Pit of Gormuz.

The Pit of Gormuz is a nasty place to be, but a monster-infested sinkhole without guards actively kicking people back in isn't so much a prison as a place of exile and a trial by ordeal. Since it has two convenient exits into two different layers of the Darklands as well as the open-air exit, it basically sounds like living on the set of Tremors--dangerous, nerve-wracking, a bad place, but not a place of imprisonment (for anyone but Rovagug) or torture for that matter (except for Rovagug, as I'm pretty certain Asmodeus would have included torture devices as part of the deal).

Basically that means deluxe imprisonment and torture for one prisoner and none for anyone else, which means that we're talking the quality versus quantity question again.

And if magical god-holding prisons count as places of imprisonment and torture, the Final Blades of Galt should definitely be on the list, as they're the ultimate prison. Whether they're torture is another matter, depending on whether the souls inside are frozen in timeless oblivion or jammed together in a chaotic mass holding cell horrifically aware of every moment that passes and the screams of the trapped around them.


I'm not sure where on Golarion it is, but I can tell you how to find out. All we need to do is go find Riddick and drop him on the planet. He will inevitably and unerringly find the worst and most inhospitable places to be found on Golarion.


The Final Blades of Galt are an afront to Pharasma and should be disenchanted and the grey gardeners should be put to the sword.

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Check out the description and picture of Citadel Gheradesca on page 70 of Pathfinder Adventure Path #28.


don't have access to that and I doubt its on the wiki....

can you sum it up??

oh andI"m sorry did I say put to the sword, I meant burnt at the stake without stakesauce

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Yea of little faith!

Steelfiredragon wrote:

and I doubt its on the wiki....

Might be a great fit. And you know where there's more if you want it. :)


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:

Yea of little faith!

Steelfiredragon wrote:

and I doubt its on the wiki....

Might be a great fit. And you know where there's more if you want it. :)

seen it, doesn't say much.

Lots of Faith, just to low in opinions of the WIKIs as some of them are too messed up and stuff....

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Steelfiredragon wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:

Yea of little faith!

Steelfiredragon wrote:

and I doubt its on the wiki....

Might be a great fit. And you know where there's more if you want it. :)

seen it, doesn't say much.

Lots of Faith, just to low in opinions of the WIKIs as some of them are too messed up and stuff....

Just grab Pathfinder #28 then :)


I can't, if I pick that up, I wont have enough for the inner sea guide.......

guess which I want more

plus I'm trying to save up for the beastiary 2......

blast you Paizo.... my garden of doom thats stuck in my head keeps getting deadlier.....

Sczarni

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure, Companion, Lost Omens Subscriber
Steelfiredragon wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:

Yea of little faith!

Steelfiredragon wrote:

and I doubt its on the wiki....

Might be a great fit. And you know where there's more if you want it. :)

seen it, doesn't say much.

Lots of Faith, just to low in opinions of the WIKIs as some of them are too messed up and stuff....

I just updated the article with the rest of the information from pathfinder #28

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