Deeds - Missing Text?


Gunslinger Discussion: Round 1

Scarab Sages

Gunslinger wrote:

Deeds: Gunslingers spend grit points to accomplish deeds. Most deeds grant the gunslinger some momentary

bonus or effect, but there are some that provide longerlasting
effects. Some deeds stay in effect as long as a gunslinger has at least 1 grit point. The following is the list of base gunslinger deeds. A gunslinger can only perform deeds of her level or lower. Unless otherwise noted, a deed can be performed multiple successive times, as long as any appropriate grit is spent to perform the deed.

Is it the intent, that;

A) a level 1 gunslinger knows one, single deed? With a maximum of six known at level 19? or,

B) Do they know all deeds of their level or less?

If so, there should be extra text that states either;

A)"At level 1, the gunslinger chooses one deed from the list below to learn. At level 3, and each 4 levels thereafter, the gunslinger learns another deed from the list. Some deeds require a minimum class level to learn. Further deeds may be learned via feats." or,

B)"At level 1, the gunslinger learns all level 1 deeds from the list below. At level 3, and each 4 levels thereafter, the gunslinger learns all level-appropriate deeds from the list. Further deeds may be learned via feats."

At first reading of the original text, it looked as though the character could spend a grit point (groint?) and freely choose any effect from the list, of his level or lower.

Only the repeated listing of 'Deeds', in the table gives any hint of the designers' intent. Or does it? I can see it being argued either way, dependent on how amenable the speaker is to the concept of firearms in the game (ie; just another weapon, vs highly exotic, dangerous and difficult to use).

Shadow Lodge

Snorter wrote:


Is it the intent, that;

A) a level 1 gunslinger knows one, single deed? With a maximum of six known at level 19? or,

B) Do they know all deeds of their level or less?

It took me a few readings, which instantly tells me the text needs to be more clear, but I believe it is option B. You know all deeds of your level or lower. The "deeds" entry on the level chart indicates levels at which new deeds become available. The (granted very open to interpretation) line from the PDF is:

Ultimate Combat Playtest wrote:


A gunslinger can only perform deeds of her level or lower.

I know, not a 100% clear conviction, but its as close as I can find. The text REALLY needs to make this more clear, as in "A Gunslinger can use any deed of her level or lower." This makes the intent 100% obvious.

Scarab Sages

I believe it's option (B), too, but I just know there'll be people reading it the other way.


I didn't think about that. I just assumed it was option B, but yes, this should be clarified. On the off chance that it wasn't intended to be option B, then it should be. The deeds are not numerous enough to warrant option A, in my opinion. And I was not a fan of guns in my fantasy games until this class showed up.

I would let players run the gunslinger as is, though, just for sheer awesomeness. I can rule on the fly if something turns out to be out-of-whack.


Snorter wrote:


At first reading of the original text, it looked as though the character could spend a grit point (groint?) and freely choose any effect from the list, of his level or lower.

That's the meaning I took from it, even after my first reading. Once you reach the appropriate level, you now have access to all of the Deeds of that level, and the levels below it. So, at 19th level, you can perform any of the Deeds on that list.

If it confused you, it will confuse others, so another line of text might be warranted.

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