Reading the Inquisitor in the APG has given me a couple thoughts. First is I really like this class! Second is, would it be possible to make a Paladin archtype (paladin is my favorite class) with a couple parts of the Inquisitor without making it Overpowered?
I would only suggest 2 changes. Substitute out Paladin spells and maybe even move smite to a slower progression, such as Gain additional Smites at every 4th instead of every 3rd level.
For this the paladin would gain the Judgment ability with the same progression as the Inquisitor.
Next, I would get rid of Aura of Justice (which I have never liked, for flavor and feel it is OP) and replace it with the Inquisitor ability Stalwart.
Thoughts?
IMHO, if you want to get judgements, you must give up smites.
Smite-- > Judgement
Moreover, full BAB + 6th level spell seems to much
IMHO, if you want to get judgements, you must give up smites.
Smite-- > Judgement
Moreover, full BAB + 6th level spell seems to much
Thank you for repling but, I was not suggesting that you gain the spells of the inquisitor. I was saying you give up all spells, go with the slower progression on smites and for giving up that you gain judgments.
Any thoughts on giving up the Aura for Stalwart?
Well in this case, if you give up spells and auras, keep LoH, delay smite, you can take judgements.
Completely eyeballed (ask to more people) but it seems reasonable.
You might want to have a look at the super genius inquisitor judgements pdf It includes at the end the Justicar, which is a full BAB version of the inquisitor focusing on judgements. It may give you alot of what you are looking for. Or at least give you a place to start.
Well in this case, if you give up spells and auras, keep LoH, delay smite, you can take judgements.
Completely eyeballed (ask to more people) but it seems reasonable.
I dont want to give up all auras, just justice for stalwart.
Remove spells and reduce progression of smite to gain judgment.
Remove Aura of Justice to gain Stalwart.
That is my proposal.
You might want to have a look at the super genius inquisitor judgements pdf It includes at the end the Justicar, which is a full BAB version of the inquisitor focusing on judgements. It may give you alot of what you are looking for. Or at least give you a place to start.
That is interesting but I dont like the idea that the judgments can basically do everything. I like the limited list from the APG. Now, if you made feats that added optional judgments that could be interesting.
I dont want to give up all auras, just justice for stalwart.
Remove spells and reduce progression of smite to gain judgment.
Remove Aura of Justice to gain Stalwart.That is my proposal.
Stalwart with charisma to saves is quite strong, but I see that say goodbye to Aura of Justice is dire (I base this on the way my Paladin player plays).
Would the PC be able to use Judgements and Smites in the same attacks (if not activating them in the same round)?
Well in this case, if you give up spells and auras, keep LoH, delay smite, you can take judgements.
Completely eyeballed (ask to more people) but it seems reasonable.
I dont want to give up all auras, just justice for stalwart.
Remove spells and reduce progression of smite to gain judgment.
Remove Aura of Justice to gain Stalwart.That is my proposal.
You might want to have a look at the super genius inquisitor judgements pdf It includes at the end the Justicar, which is a full BAB version of the inquisitor focusing on judgements. It may give you alot of what you are looking for. Or at least give you a place to start.That is interesting but I dont like the idea that the judgments can basically do everything. I like the limited list from the APG. Now, if you made feats that added optional judgments that could be interesting.
Well in the product there are several ideas for handling this. The justicar specifically expects you dont have access to all judgements and gets bonus judgements known as class features. The standard is you start with 9 judgements and can gain more by either justicar class features or the feat 'Expanded Judgement' to gain more.
I dont want to give up all auras, just justice for stalwart.
Remove spells and reduce progression of smite to gain judgment.
Remove Aura of Justice to gain Stalwart.That is my proposal.
Stalwart with charisma to saves is quite strong, but I see that say goodbye to Aura of Justice is dire (I base this on the way my Paladin player plays).
Would the PC be able to use Judgements and Smites in the same attacks (if not activating them in the same round)?
Yea, I think the smite and judgment should stack, though probably take 2 rounds of swift actions to get them both going.
Well in the product there are several ideas for handling this. The justicar specifically expects you dont have access to all judgements and gets bonus judgements known as class features. The standard is you start with 9 judgements and can gain more by either justicar class features or the feat 'Expanded Judgement' to gain more.
Ok, then that doesnt sound so bad. Thing is I still like the paladin best, there is just 2 parts of the Inquisitor that I think fit the paladin very well, better than the 2 apposing parts of the paladin.
I like the idea of a paladin without spells but that is really a large thing to give up. Getting judgments in place of that would be a good exchange, and you slightly slow down the progression of smite to balance it.
Also, like I said above, I dont like Aura of Justice one bit and I think it is slightly OP, so trading that for Stalwart which I think is an amazing (AMAZING!) ability just fits the concept of a paladin that much more.
I dont even propose this for me really. I know my gaming group would not go for these changes as they really dont like straying much from the book at all. I just bring it up because I think it fits and would be balanced.
Any other thoughts? Anyone?