paizo.com Recent Posts in Do you hate getting forced into roles too?paizo.com Recent Posts in Do you hate getting forced into roles too?2012-11-15T23:08:46Z2012-11-15T23:08:46ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?Taylor Lautner (alias of David Fryer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3242011-01-22T18:47:08Z2011-01-22T18:47:08Z<p>I am not a dog, why do you keep calling me a dog?</p>I am not a dog, why do you keep calling me a dog?Taylor Lautner (alias of David Fryer)2011-01-22T18:47:08ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?CoDzillahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3232011-01-22T15:31:05Z2011-01-22T15:31:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Urizen wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">VictorCrackus wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I gotta say.</p>
<p>This dog nonsense needs to end.</p>
<p>Thus. I have decided to..</p>
<p>•rips shirt off revealing flab•</p>
<p>Challenge...</p>
<p>•intense glare with flames licking out of the eyes•</p>
<p>THE DOG!</p>
<p>•the dog sits there. It c#~&• its head to the side while panting•</p>
<p>TO MORTAL KOMBAT! </blockquote><b><span class=messageboard-bigger>FINISH HIM!</span></b> </blockquote><p>•dog turns Rogue into chew toy•
<p>I have to concur with whoever said "Why did you have to necro this?"</p>Urizen wrote:VictorCrackus wrote:I gotta say.
This dog nonsense needs to end.
Thus. I have decided to..
*rips shirt off revealing flab*
Challenge...
*intense glare with flames licking out of the eyes*
THE DOG!
*the dog sits there. It c#~&* its head to the side while panting*
TO MORTAL KOMBAT!
FINISH HIM! *dog turns Rogue into chew toy* I have to concur with whoever said "Why did you have to necro this?"CoDzilla2011-01-22T15:31:05ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?Urizenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3222011-01-22T15:12:05Z2011-01-22T15:12:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">VictorCrackus wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I gotta say.</p>
<p>This dog nonsense needs to end.</p>
<p>Thus. I have decided to..</p>
<p>•rips shirt off revealing flab•</p>
<p>Challenge...</p>
<p>•intense glare with flames licking out of the eyes•</p>
<p>THE DOG!</p>
<p>•the dog sits there. It c#~&• its head to the side while panting•</p>
<p>TO MORTAL KOMBAT! </blockquote><p><b><span class=messageboard-bigger>FINISH HIM!</span></b>VictorCrackus wrote:I gotta say.
This dog nonsense needs to end.
Thus. I have decided to..
*rips shirt off revealing flab*
Challenge...
*intense glare with flames licking out of the eyes*
THE DOG!
*the dog sits there. It c#~&* its head to the side while panting*
TO MORTAL KOMBAT!
FINISH HIM!Urizen2011-01-22T15:12:05ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?ZER01https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3212011-01-21T19:18:18Z2011-01-21T19:18:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cartigan wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Ravingdork wrote:</div><blockquote> If you've roleplayed long enough,</blockquote><p>Or you know, just played the game.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote> surely your friends have approached you asking you to play a certain role in the party because it (1) hadn't been filled yet and (2) they felt it was absolutely necessary to the party's survival.</blockquote><p>I generally choose my class last and volunteer to fill any role missed by the party.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>I for one do not believe that any one class is necessary for a party's survival (or even a certain class combos) if the PCs are played intelligently and to their strengths.</blockquote><p>If they are varied mid level Wizards...
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>Got a party of rogues? Don's sit around and let the earth elementals bash you to bits like idiots. Run away and set up traps.</blockquote><p>Did setting traps suddenly become an easy thing to do on the run like in Neverwinter Nights?
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote> Be sneaky and inventive like rogues are want to do. You're faster and smarter than they are. Pull an ewok.</blockquote><p>Then you get punched in the face because sneaky doesn't work against Elementals.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>A bunch of physical types against a spellcaster? Rush him. He can have a bunch of buffs up that make hitting him in melee or at range incredibly hard, but he can't cover all of his bases at once.</blockquote><p>Oh yes he can.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>If the party asks me to make a rogue because they have no way of dealing with traps, I may just make a rogue with the scout/thug archetype and let them think their way out of the traps (mage hand and knock goes a long ways towards opening trapped doors).</blockquote><p>I read this as "If my party asks me to play a character that they find they need, instead of explaining my opinion of 'necessary roles' in the game and my baseless hatred for needing them, I decide to secretly create a Rogue that - on purpose - can do nothing my party asked of me without telling them."
<p>I wouldn't put up with that crap, I'm surprised your party does.
<br />
</blockquote><p>Either your trolling with that post, or just plain rude.
<p>To the OP poster, I agree with you for the most part. This is not World of Warcraft, you don't necessarily need the archtype Tank, Dps, Heal combo. But variations of that tried and true setup do work. Then again, in a game thats a gazillion times more open and freeform than a linear game there are many work arounds. </p>
<p>A party of wizards? Not that far fetched, suppose you were the most recent graduating class from the Whatever College of WIzardy and "stuff happens" (GM, your up) that puts that group in a situation where they are stuck with eachother without the luxury of fine tuning a group. Your group is the guy/gal standing next to you. Either way, it depends on the style of the players and the GM, and as Cartigan wrote above, he does make some valid points if your one of those types of groups. In closing, i think a group that is lacking in many roles isnt always a bad thing, the game is about fun, and those challeneges can make change the game dynamically and could be quite interesting.</p>
<p>side note: Icewind Dale 1&2 with all melee (fighters, a fighter/rogue, and paladin) wasnt too hard and was alot of fun. Thats a video game, were talking about a game where your only limited by your imagination. </p>
<p>Thumbs up to the OP.</p>Cartigan wrote:Ravingdork wrote: If you've roleplayed long enough,
Or you know, just played the game. Quote:surely your friends have approached you asking you to play a certain role in the party because it (1) hadn't been filled yet and (2) they felt it was absolutely necessary to the party's survival.
I generally choose my class last and volunteer to fill any role missed by the party. Quote:I for one do not believe that any one class is necessary for a party's survival (or even a certain...ZER012011-01-21T19:18:18ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?TriOmegaZerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3202011-01-21T18:02:17Z2011-01-21T18:02:17Z<p>Why'd you gotta kick the anthill five days later?</p>Why'd you gotta kick the anthill five days later?TriOmegaZero2011-01-21T18:02:17ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?VictorCrackushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3192011-01-21T17:54:22Z2011-01-21T17:54:22Z<p>I gotta say.</p>
<p>This dog nonsense needs to end.</p>
<p>Thus. I have decided to..</p>
<p>•rips shirt off revealing flab•</p>
<p>Challenge...</p>
<p>•intense glare with flames licking out of the eyes•</p>
<p>THE DOG!</p>
<p>•the dog sits there. It cocks its head to the side while panting•</p>
<p>TO MORTAL KOMBAT!</p>I gotta say.
This dog nonsense needs to end.
Thus. I have decided to..
*rips shirt off revealing flab*
Challenge...
*intense glare with flames licking out of the eyes*
THE DOG!
*the dog sits there. It cocks its head to the side while panting*
TO MORTAL KOMBAT!VictorCrackus2011-01-21T17:54:22ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?CoDzillahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3182011-01-17T22:17:51Z2011-01-17T22:17:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kamelguru wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">meatrace wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kamelguru wrote:</div><blockquote> It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8&feature=&p=582F0391C8E02931&index=0&playnext=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Baha Men</a>[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place! </blockquote><p>I like the cut of your jib, son!
<p>@CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD. </blockquote><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKs57Q4iTrw&feature=related" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">This is the CR1 Dog. And he will get your low-level rogue :P</a>
<p>@ciretose: Well, I guess that kinda makes sense. When I hear "Guard dog" I expect something big and menacing, not a yapping-type dog. In which case a can of Mr.Dog should be enough. "Mr. Dog, for yappy-type dogs, so they'll shut the hell up!" </blockquote><p>As for the type of dog, it was actually someone else that mentioned dogs first. I determined, from context they meant the CR 1 dog. Which is what we've actually been discussing the entire time. Which means no one is moving goal posts except our favorite Abundant Stepper.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ravingdork wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">CoDzilla wrote:</div><blockquote>If by horrible painful death, you mean mildly annoyed, but very much alive you are correct. Having fire resist apply only once means it isn't completely worthless. But it's still 95% worthless, and it was actually nerfed in a different way as before, if you hit with the touch attack there was no save vs the fire. Now it's just a save penalty vs the fire. Even if you somehow find an enemy that has no protections against fire, and that everything hits and it fails the save against, that's only 112. About 1.5 hits. And we've already seen how well those go. </blockquote><p>I didn't notice that they threw a penalized save in there. Damned shame that.
<p>It's still pretty versatile for a direct damage spell. You can spread it out to wipe out massive armies of mooks standing in your way (face it, four 80-ft. diameter spreads is HUGE), or you can focus it on a single target. </blockquote><p>You are a 17th level character, minimum. You are also a Wizard. If you cannot give armies of mooks a heart attack by looking at them, you are doing it wrong. There is no need to use your highest level spells for that purpose.
<p>Also, being versatile for a direct damage spell is like saying that a baby is very mobile for a one month old. No matter how you spin it, they aren't doing a whole lot.</p>
<p>Though discussing why Meteor Swarm sucks is more productive than discussing things with people that have to stealth nerf average guard dogs, obtain overpriced consumables, and engage in all manner of pure DM fiat just to attempt to justify themselves in a routine encounter. And that somehow doesn't prove they are terrible.</p>Kamelguru wrote:meatrace wrote: Kamelguru wrote: It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]Baha Men[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place!
I like the cut of your jib, son! @CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD. This is the CR1 Dog. And he will get your low-level rogue :P @ciretose: Well, I guess that kinda makes sense. When I hear "Guard dog" I expect something big and menacing, not a yapping-type dog. In which case a can of Mr.Dog should...CoDzilla2011-01-17T22:17:51ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?Dire Mongoosehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3172011-01-17T19:30:17Z2011-01-17T19:30:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cartigan wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Urizen wrote:</div><blockquote><p> To get back on topic, don't you hate being forced into taking the role of a forum moderator when your job is to be an assistant software developer?</p>
<p>:P </blockquote>No, no, no, to be a software developer you have to be an electrical engineer. </blockquote><p>Of course! Otherwise, when the nuclear apocalypse occurs, you wouldn't be able to build your own 286 out of NAND gates.Cartigan wrote:Urizen wrote:To get back on topic, don't you hate being forced into taking the role of a forum moderator when your job is to be an assistant software developer?
:P
No, no, no, to be a software developer you have to be an electrical engineer. Of course! Otherwise, when the nuclear apocalypse occurs, you wouldn't be able to build your own 286 out of NAND gates.Dire Mongoose2011-01-17T19:30:17ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?Cartiganhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3162011-01-17T19:25:12Z2011-01-17T19:25:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Urizen wrote:</div><blockquote><p> To get back on topic, don't you hate being forced into taking the role of a forum moderator when your job is to be an assistant software developer?</p>
<p>:P </blockquote><p>No, no, no, to be a software developer you have to be an electrical engineer.Urizen wrote:To get back on topic, don't you hate being forced into taking the role of a forum moderator when your job is to be an assistant software developer?
:P
No, no, no, to be a software developer you have to be an electrical engineer.Cartigan2011-01-17T19:25:12ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?Urizenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3152011-01-17T19:11:07Z2011-01-17T19:11:07Z<p>To get back on topic, don't you hate being forced into taking the role of a forum moderator when your job is to be an assistant software developer?</p>
<p>:P</p>To get back on topic, don't you hate being forced into taking the role of a forum moderator when your job is to be an assistant software developer?
:PUrizen2011-01-17T19:11:07ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?Ross Byers (RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3142011-01-17T18:32:16Z2011-01-17T18:32:16Z<p>I removed a post. If you're going to ignore someone, then do so. Posting to announce that is just trying to get the last word in.</p>
<p>Similarly, the best way to get a discussion back on topic is to make a post relating to that topic that is worthy of further discussion.</p>I removed a post. If you're going to ignore someone, then do so. Posting to announce that is just trying to get the last word in.
Similarly, the best way to get a discussion back on topic is to make a post relating to that topic that is worthy of further discussion.Ross Byers (RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32)2011-01-17T18:32:16ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?Ravingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3132011-01-16T16:57:07Z2011-01-16T16:57:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">CoDzilla wrote:</div><blockquote>If by horrible painful death, you mean mildly annoyed, but very much alive you are correct. Having fire resist apply only once means it isn't completely worthless. But it's still 95% worthless, and it was actually nerfed in a different way as before, if you hit with the touch attack there was no save vs the fire. Now it's just a save penalty vs the fire. Even if you somehow find an enemy that has no protections against fire, and that everything hits and it fails the save against, that's only 112. About 1.5 hits. And we've already seen how well those go. </blockquote><p>I didn't notice that they threw a penalized save in there. Damned shame that.
<p>It's still pretty versatile for a direct damage spell. You can spread it out to wipe out massive armies of mooks standing in your way (face it, four 80-ft. diameter spreads is HUGE), or you can focus it on a single target.</p>CoDzilla wrote:If by horrible painful death, you mean mildly annoyed, but very much alive you are correct. Having fire resist apply only once means it isn't completely worthless. But it's still 95% worthless, and it was actually nerfed in a different way as before, if you hit with the touch attack there was no save vs the fire. Now it's just a save penalty vs the fire. Even if you somehow find an enemy that has no protections against fire, and that everything hits and it fails the save...Ravingdork2011-01-16T16:57:07ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?Dabblerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3122011-01-16T14:09:29Z2011-01-16T14:09:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">ciretose wrote:</div><blockquote>You can have advanced creatures, but would you be facing them at 1st level as the "guard"?</blockquote><p>This is probably why everybody assumed 'dog' meant 'dog' and not 'riding dog' as an appropriate encounter (CR 1/2) for a first level rogue just trying to get into a building.
<p>However, even a riding dog is vulnerable to any of the stratagems for getting past a dog, the only difference is that sneak attacking or outright fighting it are a lot less likely to work. Then again, we want to get get <i>past</i> the dog, not kill it. Lobbing it drugged meat is still the easiest solution if it's chained up, and luring it away still the easiest if it isn't.</p>
<p>The rogue has other methods of getting in, or getting out of trouble, like Bluff & Disguise (look like someone who would be knocking on that door). It all depends on the circumstances ...</p>
<p>You can steal the key and dog-whistle off the careless guard in the bar after work, or steal his entire outfit and impersonate him to get in.
<br />
You can find a skylight to break in through, or a sewer outlet that avoids door and dog.
<br />
You can forge paperwork that declares you have the right of access.</p>
<p>For a clever rogue, there are always options they have the skills to exploit.</p>ciretose wrote:You can have advanced creatures, but would you be facing them at 1st level as the "guard"?
This is probably why everybody assumed 'dog' meant 'dog' and not 'riding dog' as an appropriate encounter (CR 1/2) for a first level rogue just trying to get into a building. However, even a riding dog is vulnerable to any of the stratagems for getting past a dog, the only difference is that sneak attacking or outright fighting it are a lot less likely to work. Then again, we want to get...Dabbler2011-01-16T14:09:29ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?ciretosehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3112011-01-15T23:36:36Z2011-01-15T23:36:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kamelguru wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">ciretose wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kamelguru wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">meatrace wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kamelguru wrote:</div><blockquote> It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8&feature=&p=582F0391C8E02931&index=0&playnext=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Baha Men</a>[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place! </blockquote><p>I like the cut of your jib, son!
<p>@CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD. </blockquote><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKs57Q4iTrw&feature=related" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">This is the CR1 Dog. And he will get your low-level rogue :P</a>
<p>@ciretose: Well, I guess that kinda makes sense. When I hear "Guard dog" I expect something big and menacing, not a yapping-type dog. In which case a can of Mr.Dog should be enough. "Mr. Dog, for yappy-type dogs, so they'll shut the hell up!" </blockquote><p>He is at least a 5th level ranger :)
<p>The riding dog has a higher CR that a 1st level NPC. You post two actual first level NPC guards and have the same CR as the riding dog.</p>
<p>The riding dog is a creature that is large enough that it can have a small creature ride it. </p>
<p>If you have to use something other than a "dog" to make your argument about "dog", then you aren't arguing about a dog, are you?</p>
<p>Now if you are starting from an assumption and come hell or high water you are going to prove that assumption, sure. </blockquote><p>Just saying that in a world where all kinds of strange beasts exist, I would not think it strange to pick the larger, more menacing dog to guard your place. The whole rogue vs dog argument is silly anyways, as dogs are the least of your worries in a fantasy setting.
<p>Oh, btw, the rogue does not have Knowledge (Nature) nor Survival, so it neither knows the dog's scent limitations nor that winds affect it. Just throwing it out there. </p>
<p>Inb4 "common sense" </blockquote><p>By that logic, why not get a dire wolf? Because there are assumed limits by level. I would love to have a mastiff, but I may only have a doberman
<p>13 hit points is equal to a fighter with a 16 con or a Barbarian with average con. </p>
<p>You can have advanced creatures, but would you be facing them at 1st level as the "guard"?</p>Kamelguru wrote:ciretose wrote: Kamelguru wrote: meatrace wrote: Kamelguru wrote: It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]Baha Men[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place!
I like the cut of your jib, son! @CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD. This is the CR1 Dog. And he will get your low-level rogue :P @ciretose: Well, I guess that kinda makes sense. When I hear "Guard dog" I expect something big and menacing, not a yapping-type dog. In...ciretose2011-01-15T23:36:36ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?Kamelguruhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3102011-01-15T22:57:06Z2011-01-15T22:57:06Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">ciretose wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kamelguru wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">meatrace wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kamelguru wrote:</div><blockquote> It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8&feature=&p=582F0391C8E02931&index=0&playnext=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Baha Men</a>[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place! </blockquote><p>I like the cut of your jib, son!
<p>@CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD. </blockquote><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKs57Q4iTrw&feature=related" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">This is the CR1 Dog. And he will get your low-level rogue :P</a>
<p>@ciretose: Well, I guess that kinda makes sense. When I hear "Guard dog" I expect something big and menacing, not a yapping-type dog. In which case a can of Mr.Dog should be enough. "Mr. Dog, for yappy-type dogs, so they'll shut the hell up!" </blockquote><p>He is at least a 5th level ranger :)
<p>The riding dog has a higher CR that a 1st level NPC. You post two actual first level NPC guards and have the same CR as the riding dog.</p>
<p>The riding dog is a creature that is large enough that it can have a small creature ride it. </p>
<p>If you have to use something other than a "dog" to make your argument about "dog", then you aren't arguing about a dog, are you?</p>
<p>Now if you are starting from an assumption and come hell or high water you are going to prove that assumption, sure. </blockquote><p>Just saying that in a world where all kinds of strange beasts exist, I would not think it strange to pick the larger, more menacing dog to guard your place. The whole rogue vs dog argument is silly anyways, as dogs are the least of your worries in a fantasy setting.
<p>Oh, btw, the rogue does not have Knowledge (Nature) nor Survival, so it neither knows the dog's scent limitations nor that winds affect it. Just throwing it out there. </p>
<p>Inb4 "common sense"</p>ciretose wrote:Kamelguru wrote: meatrace wrote: Kamelguru wrote: It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]Baha Men[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place!
I like the cut of your jib, son! @CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD. This is the CR1 Dog. And he will get your low-level rogue :P @ciretose: Well, I guess that kinda makes sense. When I hear "Guard dog" I expect something big and menacing, not a yapping-type dog. In which case a can...Kamelguru2011-01-15T22:57:06ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?ciretosehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3092011-01-15T22:45:38Z2011-01-15T22:45:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kamelguru wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">meatrace wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kamelguru wrote:</div><blockquote> It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8&feature=&p=582F0391C8E02931&index=0&playnext=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Baha Men</a>[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place! </blockquote><p>I like the cut of your jib, son!
<p>@CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD. </blockquote><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKs57Q4iTrw&feature=related" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">This is the CR1 Dog. And he will get your low-level rogue :P</a>
<p>@ciretose: Well, I guess that kinda makes sense. When I hear "Guard dog" I expect something big and menacing, not a yapping-type dog. In which case a can of Mr.Dog should be enough. "Mr. Dog, for yappy-type dogs, so they'll shut the hell up!" </blockquote><p>He is at least a 5th level ranger :)
<p>The riding dog has a higher CR that a 1st level NPC. You post two actual first level NPC guards and have the same CR as the riding dog.</p>
<p>The riding dog is a creature that is large enough that it can have a small creature ride it. </p>
<p>If you have to use something other than a "dog" to make your argument about "dog", then you aren't arguing about a dog, are you?</p>
<p>Now if you are starting from an assumption and come hell or high water you are going to prove that assumption, sure.</p>Kamelguru wrote:meatrace wrote: Kamelguru wrote: It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]Baha Men[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place!
I like the cut of your jib, son! @CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD. This is the CR1 Dog. And he will get your low-level rogue :P @ciretose: Well, I guess that kinda makes sense. When I hear "Guard dog" I expect something big and menacing, not a yapping-type dog. In which case a can of Mr.Dog should...ciretose2011-01-15T22:45:38ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?Kamelguruhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3082011-01-15T22:13:55Z2011-01-15T22:13:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">meatrace wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kamelguru wrote:</div><blockquote> It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8&feature=&p=582F0391C8E02931&index=0&playnext=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Baha Men</a>[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place! </blockquote><p>I like the cut of your jib, son!
<p>@CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD. </blockquote><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKs57Q4iTrw&feature=related" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">This is the CR1 Dog. And he will get your low-level rogue :P</a>
<p>@ciretose: Well, I guess that kinda makes sense. When I hear "Guard dog" I expect something big and menacing, not a yapping-type dog. In which case a can of Mr.Dog should be enough. "Mr. Dog, for yappy-type dogs, so they'll shut the hell up!"</p>meatrace wrote:Kamelguru wrote: It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]Baha Men[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place!
I like the cut of your jib, son! @CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD. This is the CR1 Dog. And he will get your low-level rogue :P @ciretose: Well, I guess that kinda makes sense. When I hear "Guard dog" I expect something big and menacing, not a yapping-type dog. In which case a can of Mr.Dog should be enough. "Mr....Kamelguru2011-01-15T22:13:55ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?ciretosehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3072011-01-17T22:11:06Z2011-01-15T22:10:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">meatrace wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kamelguru wrote:</div><blockquote> It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8&feature=&p=582F0391C8E02931&index=0&playnext=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Baha Men</a>[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place! </blockquote><p>I like the cut of your jib, son!
<p>@CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD. </blockquote><p>He's using the riding dog I assume.
<p>Scientist vs Birther...</p>meatrace wrote:Kamelguru wrote: It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]Baha Men[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place!
I like the cut of your jib, son! @CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD. He's using the riding dog I assume. Scientist vs Birther...ciretose2011-01-15T22:10:38ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?meatracehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3062011-01-15T22:04:06Z2011-01-15T22:04:06Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kamelguru wrote:</div><blockquote> It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8&feature=&p=582F0391C8E02931&index=0&playnext=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Baha Men</a>[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place! </blockquote><p>I like the cut of your jib, son!
<p>@CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD.</p>Kamelguru wrote:It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]Baha Men[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place!
I like the cut of your jib, son! @CoD: where do I find this CR 1 dog? It doesn't appear in the SRD.meatrace2011-01-15T22:04:06ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?Kamelguruhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3052011-01-15T21:52:54Z2011-01-15T21:52:54Z<p>It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8&feature=&p=582F0391C8E02931&index=0&playnext=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Baha Men</a>[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place!</p>It's easy guys, we just kill the [u]Baha Men[/u], and there will be no-one to let the dogs out in the first place!Kamelguru2011-01-15T21:52:54ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?ciretosehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3042011-01-15T21:06:26Z2011-01-15T21:06:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">CoDzilla wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">ciretose wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">CoDzilla wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>Dog has 13 HP. Even if you somehow hide (in plain sight at level 1), and hit the dog, it doesn't die, it barks, and the Rogue... </blockquote><p>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/canines/dog
<p></blockquote><p>That's nice. The actual dog we are actually discussing, and have been from the beginning is the CR 1 dog. Which means it works in the exact manner I state.
<p>But by all means, shuffle the goalposts all over the thread. I see right through your shell games. </blockquote><p>Actually, the discussion was about roles.
<p>Your threadjack was about getting past dogs at first level.</p>
<p>This is the stat block for a dog. </p>
<p>Have a nice day.</p>CoDzilla wrote:ciretose wrote: CoDzilla wrote:Dog has 13 HP. Even if you somehow hide (in plain sight at level 1), and hit the dog, it doesn't die, it barks, and the Rogue...
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/canines/dog That's nice. The actual dog we are actually discussing, and have been from the beginning is the CR 1 dog. Which means it works in the exact manner I state. But by all means, shuffle the goalposts all over the thread. I see right through your shell...ciretose2011-01-15T21:06:26ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?CoDzillahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3032011-01-15T20:55:54Z2011-01-15T20:55:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">meatrace wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">ciretose wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">CoDzilla wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>Dog has 13 HP. Even if you somehow hide (in plain sight at level 1), and hit the dog, it doesn't die, it barks, and the Rogue... </blockquote><p>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/canines/dog
<p></blockquote>Hiding 30 feet away and hitting it with a xbow will, on average, do 8 points of damage with sneak attack. Dog can't back in reaction. Okay you're no longer being particularly sneaky but still. The point stands, that's one dead pooch. </blockquote><p>Yeah, except that's a straw man that is dead, not the dog. The dog actually being discussed, and has from the beginning despite his shell games is the CR 1 dog.meatrace wrote:ciretose wrote: CoDzilla wrote:Dog has 13 HP. Even if you somehow hide (in plain sight at level 1), and hit the dog, it doesn't die, it barks, and the Rogue...
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/canines/dog Hiding 30 feet away and hitting it with a xbow will, on average, do 8 points of damage with sneak attack. Dog can't back in reaction. Okay you're no longer being particularly sneaky but still. The point stands, that's one dead pooch. Yeah, except...CoDzilla2011-01-15T20:55:54ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?Rapthorn2ndformhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3022011-01-15T20:54:15Z2011-01-15T20:54:15Z<p>I have to say, i see where you guys are coming from...but the exact opposite happened to me.
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Ive always played a fighter or barbarian or rouge in 3.5 and enjoyed it.</p>
<p>BUT when i started playing pathfinder our group had 3 front line fighters, 2 rouges and 2 sorcerers. and they asked me, because i was more experiencing than other players, if i could play a Cleric.
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So i did and i loved it, the healing and spell support really help and i wasn't terrible in close combat.
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More recently, i was asked to make a "thief". so i made a wizard. they didnt ask for a rouge.</p>I have to say, i see where you guys are coming from...but the exact opposite happened to me.
Ive always played a fighter or barbarian or rouge in 3.5 and enjoyed it.
BUT when i started playing pathfinder our group had 3 front line fighters, 2 rouges and 2 sorcerers. and they asked me, because i was more experiencing than other players, if i could play a Cleric.
So i did and i loved it, the healing and spell support really help and i wasn't terrible in close combat.
More recently, i was asked...Rapthorn2ndform2011-01-15T20:54:15ZRe: Forums/Gamer Life: General Discussion: Do you hate getting forced into roles too?meatracehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2louc&page=7?Do-you-hate-getting-forced-into-roles-too#3012011-01-15T20:53:41Z2011-01-15T20:53:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">ciretose wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">CoDzilla wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>Dog has 13 HP. Even if you somehow hide (in plain sight at level 1), and hit the dog, it doesn't die, it barks, and the Rogue... </blockquote><p>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/canines/dog
<p></blockquote><p>Hiding 30 feet away and hitting it with a xbow will, on average, do 8 points of damage with sneak attack. Dog can't back in reaction. Okay you're no longer being particularly sneaky but still. The point stands, that's one dead pooch.ciretose wrote:CoDzilla wrote:Dog has 13 HP. Even if you somehow hide (in plain sight at level 1), and hit the dog, it doesn't die, it barks, and the Rogue...
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/canines/dog Hiding 30 feet away and hitting it with a xbow will, on average, do 8 points of damage with sneak attack. Dog can't back in reaction. Okay you're no longer being particularly sneaky but still. The point stands, that's one dead pooch.meatrace2011-01-15T20:53:41Z