I Have taken an interest to the new Deamon monsters from Bestiary 2. How ever I find that there arn't enough low CR versions, So this is the first one I created. I would like feedback on the flavor and mechanics behind this concept, tell me if I made any mistakes, or if I need more clarification please.
KnightDeamon CR: 2
XP: 600
M Chaotic Evil Outsider (Deamon, Chaotic Evil)
Int: +2 Senses: Dark Vision: 60ft, Telepathy.
Defense
AC: 18 Touch: 13 Flatfooted: 15
HP: 25 ( 3D10 + 3 )
Fort: 5 Refl: 5 Will: 2
Defensive abilities:
Immunity to acid, death effects, disease, and poison.
Resistance to cold 10, electricity 10, and fire 10.
Natural Armor: +5
Ferocity
Offence
Speed: Land 40 ft
Attack:
Melee:
Double Sword Arms: +5 / +5 Damage: 1d6+2
Tenacious
Summon: ( KnightDeamon 35% )
Space and Reach: 5ft / 5ft
Statistics
Str: 15 Dex: 15 Con: 12 Int: 11 Wis: 12 Cha: 12
Base Attack: 3 CMB: 5 CMD: 17
Feats: Two weapon Fighting, Dodge
Skills: Acrobatics 8 Bluff, Climb 8 Craft, Escape Artist 8 Intimidate7 Perception, 5 Sense Motive, 6 Stealth. 8
Ecology
Environment: Any (Abandon)
Organization: Single, Patrol ( 3-5), Troupe ( 1d4 + Ceustodaemon )
Treasure: Standard
Special Abilities:
Ferocity:
A creature with ferocity remains conscious and can continue fighting even if its hit point total is below 0. The creature is still staggered and loses 1 hit point each round. The creature still dies when its hit point total reaches a negative amount equal to its Constitution score.
Tenacious
The Knightdeamon is able to perform charge attacks without any penalty to AC, May use their two weapon fight feat during a charge attack and can ignore up to 20ft of difficult terrain.
Description:
The foot soldiers of Szuriel’s army, Knightdeamons are among the most numerous daemons in all of abandon. They attack with a blood lust unparallel even among daemon kind. During combat Knightdeamons tend to charge whenever the opportunity rises, caring little for the inherent danger they may place them selves into.
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With two attacks at +5, AC 18, energy resistance/immunity, and 25 HP... that looks like a CR 3 to me.
If you keep it a CR 2, bear in mind that it's strong for a CR 2. A dretch is CR 2, and it has less AC, less HP, and worse attacks. And a much, much lower CMD.
Dretches have some cool abilities, I'll grant, but they're typically weaker than this thing.
AC: 18 Touch: 13 Flatfooted: 15
The AC is to high. It should be more around 14.
HP: 25 ( 3D10 + 3 )
Fort: 5 Refl: 5 Will: 2
The saves are a little high but usable.
Resistance to cold 10, electricity 10, and fire 10.
Second level monsters should not be resisting so many elemental types and immunities. Maybe it should get 2 immunities, and 2 elemental resistances.
Ferocity:A creature with ferocity remains conscious and can continue fighting even if its hit point total is below 0. The creature is still staggered and loses 1 hit point each round. The creature still dies when its hit point total reaches a negative amount equal to its Constitution score.Tenacious: The Knightdeamon is able to perform charge attacks without any penalty to AC, May use their two weapon fight feat during a charge attack and can ignore up to 20ft of difficult terrain.
The ferocity combined with the high HP make it closer to a CR 3. I would drop the hit point or ferocity.
If Tenacioius allows them to charge and get two attacks in then it is really like pounce, but better. I would just give them pounce.
The second attack comes from the two weapon fighting feat, and the immunities are all a part of the deamon subtype. Tenacious is my little invention to help the monster constantly charge. I tried pounce first, but it's not compatible with the two weapon fighting feat. I'm not sure If I want to rework the monster, or reassign it's CR. Either way I'll make an updated version and post it later on tomorrow.
Heres version 2, I reduced the HP and AC to something more appropriate for it's CR. I'm also Working on higher level variants and another monster that uses ranged attacks.
KnightDeamon CR: 2
XP: 600
M Chaotic Evil Outsider (Deamon, Chaotic Evil)
Int: +2 Senses: Dark Vision: 60ft, Telepathy, Perception +5
Defense
AC: 15 (13 While charging) Touch: 13 (11 While charging) Flatfooted: 12
HP: 20 ( 3D10 + 3 )
Fort: 5 Refl: 5 Will: 2
Defensive abilities:
Immunity to acid, death effects, disease, and poison.
Resistance to cold 10, electricity 10, and fire 10.
Natural Armor: +2
Ferocity
Tenacious
Offence
Speed: Land 40 ft
Attack:
Melee:
Sword Arms: +3 / +3 (+5 / +5 while Charging ) Damage: 1d6+2
Tenacious
Summon: ( KnightDeamon 35% )
Space and Reach: 5ft / 5ft
Statistics
Str: 15 Dex: 15 Con: 12 Int: 11 Wis: 12 Cha: 12
Base Attack: 3 CMB: 5 CMD: 17
Feats: Two weapon Fighting, Dodge
Skills: Acrobatics 8 Climb 8, Escape Artist 8 Intimidate7 Perception, 5 Sense Motive, 6 Stealth. 8
Ecology
Environment: Any (Abandon)
Organization: Single, Patrol ( 3 ), Troupe ( 1d4 + Ceustodaemon )
Treasure: Standard
Special Abilities:
Ferocity:
A creature with ferocity remains conscious and can continue fighting even if its hit point total is below 0. The creature is still staggered and loses 1 hit point each round. The creature still dies when its hit point total reaches a negative amount equal to its Constitution score.
Tenacious
The Knightdeamon is so incredibly focused on it’s target, it may use their two weapon fighting feat during a charge attack and can ignore up to 20ft of difficult terrain.
Description:
The foot soldiers of Szuriel’s army, Knightdeamons are among the most numerous daemons in all of abandon. They attack with a blood lust unparalleled even among daemon kind. During combat Knightdeamons tend to charge whenever the opportunity rises, caring little for the inherent danger they may place them selves into.
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Comparing this to the Imp and Dretch it seems to hit harder at first glance. That initial charge might be tough on the party especially if one or more surprise them and win initiative.
Also Ferocity essentially gives it 12 more hp and a staggered creature can still partial charge. So the beat down can continue at least one more round.
I think you need to take the damage down a notch to 1d4 or drop ferocity. I don't know if ferocity is a prereq for Tenacious but that is my advice.
One thing I'd like to point out about the Dretch and Imp, each has damage reduction, spell like abilities and a host of resistances and immunities. The Dretch has "Melee 2 claws +4 (1d4+1), bite +4 (1d4+1)" and the imp uses poison and has fast healing. In comparison the knightdeamon only has Ferocity, which is not as useful as damage reduction or fast healing. Again, the resistances and immunities is granted to each of these monsters due to their creature type and suptype. I feel that this version is more then appropriate for it's challenge rating
One thing I'd like to point out about the Dretch and Imp, each has damage reduction, spell like abilities and a host of resistances and immunities. The Dretch has "Melee 2 claws +4 (1d4+1), bite +4 (1d4+1)" and the imp uses poison and has fast healing. In comparison the knightdeamon only has Ferocity, which is not as useful as damage reduction or fast healing. Again, the resistances and immunities is granted to each of these monsters due to their creature type and suptype. I feel that this version is more then appropriate for it's challenge rating
The fact that it has ferocity is just like giving it extra hit points. If the monster can still TWF while charging then the added offense would make up for the lost defense.
I might just knock its CON down to 10. Still gives it 16 'normal' HP and 10 staggered HP.
Then the original version (as in, from the first post, not just the one with slightly higher CON) might work out pretty well as a CR3 KnightDaemon Lieutenant.
Got any more fluff or a picture or anything written up for this guy? I am kind of tempted to throw a couple at my party. Haven't really had much in the way of evil outsiders thus far, so it might be fun to throw a pack of em at an APL 3 party and see how it goes.
Slight quibble, but isn't 3d10+3 19 average hp the way Pathfinder handles averages?
How about 16 HP? 14 AC? Both? I don't want to drop ferocity due to the nature of this creature.
To Evil Space Mantis, I like your idea About making the first version a lieutenant. As for more fluff, give me a few hours and I'll post it.
I might just knock its CON down to 10. Still gives it 16 'normal' HP and 10 staggered HP.
Then the original version (as in, from the first post, not just the one with slightly higher CON) might work out pretty well as a CR3 KnightDaemon Lieutenant.
Got any more fluff or a picture or anything written up for this guy? I am kind of tempted to throw a couple at my party. Haven't really had much in the way of evil outsiders thus far, so it might be fun to throw a pack of em at an APL 3 party and see how it goes.
Slight quibble, but isn't 3d10+3 19 average hp the way Pathfinder handles averages?
The foot soldiers of Szuriel’s army, Knightdeamons are among the most numerous daemons in all of abandon. They attack with a blood lust unparalleled even among daemon kind. During combat Knightdeamons tend to charge whenever the opportunity rises, caring little for the inherent danger they may place them selves into. Used mostly as shock troopers, Knightdaemons clear the way for more powerful daemons. Representing death from hordes of enemies, it is believed that those who are willing to fight impossible odds in great desperation become Knghtdaemons after death.
A lengthy figure stands poised to strike, with blades for hands and plated head and torso almost appearing to be armor, the only hint of sentience is harsh red eyes filled with malice.
Also, The new CR will be 3, I'll stat the lieutenant as well.
What do you guys think of my Archer Daemon?, I had hoped to keep closer to the guide lines and not make the same mistakes as with the Knight daemon.
Archerdaemon CR:
XP: 600
M Chaotic Evil Outsider (Daemon, Chaotic Evil)
Int:+2 Senses: Dark Vision: 60ft, Telepathy, Perception + 6
Defense
AC: 14 Touch: 14 Flatfooted: 10
HP: 14 ( 2D10+2 )
Fort: 2 Refl: 6 Will: 2
Defensive abilities:
Immunity to acid, death effects, disease, and poison.
Resistance to cold 10, electricity 10, and fire 10.
Offence
Speed: Land 20ft
Attack:
Ranged:
Bow Arm: `+4 ranged 1d6
Space and Reach: 5ft/5ft
Special Attack:
Hail of Arrows: 15ft cone, 1d6 damage
Statistics
Str: 10 Dex:14 Con: 12 Int: 12 Wis: 12 Cha: 10
Base Attack: 2 CMB: 2 CMD: 14
Feats: Blind Fight, Point Blank Shot
Skills: Climb 5, Knowledge (planes) 6 , Escape Artist 7, Perception 6, Stealth 7 Survival 6 , Swim 5
Ecology
Environment: Any (Abandon)
Organization: single, Scouting party (3) or Firing line ( 4 - 6 )
Treasure: Standard
Special Abilities:
Hail of Arrows: the Archerdaemon is able to release a large rain fall of arrows in a 15ft cone for 1d6 damage. Once the Archerdaeomn uses this ability, it has to wait 1d4 rounds afterward before there next hail is ready.
Description:
A humanoid creature stands surveying all it’s surroundings. It uses it’s right hand to hold up it’s left arm, which is shaped like a bow without it’s bowline and a odd shaped bone protruding from the very end.
The Archer Daemon is another in the ranks of the horseman of war. Personifying inescapable death by a firing line, these creatures are used to provide support towards other warring daemon.
You realize that Daemons are Neutral Evil, not Chaotic Evil, right?
Thank you for pointing that I will current it.