What's the difference between a carrion golem and a flesh golem?


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RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32

I removed a couple comments that were a little unfriendly. I think they were meant in good fun, but its hard to tell with text so I'm erring on the safe side.

On topic, I thought that the point of the original Frankenstein was actually that the creature wasn't a monster at all: it was mankind's treatment of him that made him monstrous.


Spes Magna Mark wrote:

Emphasis added:

ThornDJL7 wrote:
...a lot of people don't deal well with individual's like you and I. The uneducated mind's response is to flame at you.

That should read "you and me." "I" is a nominative case pronoun, and it cannot be the object of the preposition "like". Internet rule: When accusing others of being uneducated, make sure your grammar is correct. :p

Apart from the apostrophe misuse, it serves as a grammatically correct sentence. It simply means "a lot of people don't deal well with individuals, like you and I deal with individuals..." rather than "a lot of people don't deal well with people like us."

On the topic of Franky, I agree with Ross....his evil was born out of a despair that humanity inflicted upon him.


Ross Byers wrote:

I removed a couple comments that were a little unfriendly. I think they were meant in good fun, but its hard to tell with text so I'm erring on the safe side.

On topic, I thought that the point of the original Frankenstein was actually that the creature wasn't a monster at all: it was mankind's treatment of him that made him monstrous.

Yeah, its kind of ironic that the original book didn't give a biological reason for the monster to be evil, it was how he dealt with the treatment he received from humankind.

On the other hand, other sources try to make the monster into some creature that doesn't know better, and yet it is given a biological reason to be "bad."

I have to say I favor the book's way of handling things.


Um... I'm pretty sure he was right in using an apostrophe in mind's, since it's not a plural, it's meant to be possessive. The "response" belongs to "The uneducated mind".


Kain Darkwind wrote:
Apart from the apostrophe misuse, it serves as a grammatically correct sentence. It simply means "a lot of people don't deal well with individuals, like you and I deal with individuals..." rather than "a lot of people don't deal well with people like us."

Rrarrr!

Nay, it does serve as grammatically correct, since it is grammatically incorrect to use "I" as the object of a preposition. "I" is a nominative case pronoun. It cannot be an object, whether of a preposition or of a transitive verb.

Rrarrr!


Conan the Grammarian wrote:


Rrarrr!

Sir!

I say sir!

Contain yourself!

Indeed...

Dark Archive

HAH! I'm glad that Conan the Grammarian's evil-tempered cousin Conan the Librarian has not found this thread yet...

On topic: I was delighted about ice and wood golem in the Bestiary, and I'd love to see more low-CR golems in future Bestiaries. And helmed horror/doomguard (i.e. animated armor that fights with a weapon) type of constructs, naturally.


Conan the Grammarian wrote:
Kain Darkwind wrote:
Apart from the apostrophe misuse, it serves as a grammatically correct sentence. It simply means "a lot of people don't deal well with individuals, like you and I deal with individuals..." rather than "a lot of people don't deal well with people like us."

Rrarrr!

Nay, it does serve as grammatically correct, since it is grammatically incorrect to use "I" as the object of a preposition. "I" is a nominative case pronoun. It cannot be an object, whether of a preposition or of a transitive verb.

Rrarrr!

No doubt you forgot the 'not' in your sentence on accident.

In all curiousness then, you feel the sentence "A lot of people don't deal well with individuals like you and I do" is wrong? And how then would you phrase that in the English language proper?

Liberty's Edge

I suppose it would depend on whether you mean to say "a lot of people don't do well with individuals who are similar to you and me" or if you mean to say "a lot of people don't deal so well with individuals as you and I deal with individuals".

It's really the ambiguity they're objecting to, I think.


Carrion, my wayward sonnnnnnnn!


Kain Darkwind wrote:
No doubt you forgot the 'not' in your sentence on accident.

Rrarrr!

It was not an accident. It was a test. Since you passed, you get to live another day.

Kain Darkwind wrote:
In all curiousness then, you feel the sentence "A lot of people don't deal well with individuals like you and I do" is wrong? And how then would you phrase that in the English language proper?

Rrarrr! You've changed the original grammatically offensive sentence, which was as follows:

Quote:
I get the feeling having read quite a few of your posts that you like to play the devil's advocate, and a lot of people don't deal well with individual's like you and I.

The prepositional phrase "like you and I" should be "like you and me".

Rrarrr!


Formaldehye or a brine pickling I'm guessing.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

A great amount of discourse is to be had on the nature of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Indeed, as a graduate student, I added my share to it.

In game terms, one aspect of the novel that would reverberate on the maker of a flesh golem is the way that Frankensein's creature appears to obey Victor's unconscious desires and respond to his fears.

An example: Victor has mommy-issues, even moreso than the typical subject of literary analysis. He is set to marry his cousin, who looks so like his mother that its unclear which is pictured in the locket. Well, that kind of incest will never do. So, conveniently, his id-monster kills his bride on their wedding night.

In game, pay attention to the desires and fears of the character who gives form to the flesh golem. If an NPC (or PC) is cross with him, or moves against his desires, let the golem obey its creator's unspoken desires.


The carrion golem doesn't know when the joke is over.


Atomic Bombadil wrote:

Carrion, my wayward sonnnnnnnn!

Kansas would be proud.

Liberty's Edge

And we hear the desert calling... carrion, carrion, carrion!

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