Starglim wrote: A CN character should not be any more or less prepared to kill the creature than a LN character. Just think for a moment how easily LN could justify it. I thought about that before I wrote. It depends too much on the LN character's home culture. The LN character could have a hard time justifying the attack, if he was from a society that has a strong traditional honor code that treats killing the incapacitated, no matter what the provocation, as a dishonorable/ignoble/unmanly/criminal means.
kyrt-ryder wrote: Starglim wrote: kyrt-ryder wrote: Blueluck wrote:
Evil character - Murdering a rich stranger and taking their money benefits you, and you would likely do it.
Oh, like all those monsters Good aligned PC's kill in dungeons to take their stuff? Good aligned PCs kill monsters in dungeons because the monsters have harmed others many times already and intend to continue doing so. Given that they need killing, there's no point in leaving their stuff around for their evil buddies to use for evil purposes. True in theory, and in many campaigns, but I've read and heard of just as many campaigns where said monsters are peacefully minding their own business in their dwelling places, and who haven't killed or harmed anything that they didn't either eat for survival or feel threatened by, and PC's all too happily romp through, stab their faces, and take their stuff. Many poorly written campaigns, adventures, and even settings (or, for that matter, books & movies!) fail to take motivation into account, and I think that's what you're seeing. On the other hand, even in cases where if feels like the PCs have no reason to kill all the enemies, there's often a caveat somewhere near the beginning like, ". . .have been ravaging the countryside" or ". . .have all fallen under the spell of the evil one" etc.
Spring Heeled Jack wrote: If this was a monster of the Hells Layers than it was probably a good idea that you killed it in its sleep... Down there its survival of the fittest, and waking it up just to kill it is also something like a bad idea... Now is thinking that an evil Devil having a right to live... hmm... mind that the Paladin let you do this is in itself an act of Wrath... leading to the fall to evil... I think that the other party members are sliding faster than you ;) You are just being practicle.
I wouldn't say the paladin "let" me do it... I didn't really give anyone a chance to stop me...
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stokejt wrote: I am currently playing in a game where I am playing a CN Rogue, as CN suggests, I will do whatever is best for me at the time and for the most part it goes with the best interest of the party, all of whom are some sort of good alliance.
We were in the middle of a dungeon crawl through what were basically the layers of hell, obviously evil, when we came across a monster that was sleeping. The paladin in the group confirmed it was evil so my rogue went up and basically coup de grace'd it. I was told, later by my group, that this was an evil act. I disagreed but my question is, as a CN character, wouldn't it be in his nature to sometimes commit evil acts if they are in his best interest?
This example is a fairly distorted situation. Let me give you one that's much better from recent anime.
The Avatar episode "Zuko Alone" is a classic answer to your question. He's wandering the desert High Plains Drifter style, and he's out of food and water and feeling the effects of deprivation. Suddenly he spots a man making a meal and his hand goes to his sword. Then on a second look he sees that he's feeding the meal to his very pregnant wife and at that point he loosens his grip and moves on.
Right THEN at that point is an example of a tipping choice between Chaotic Neutral and Chaotic Evil.
LazarX wrote: stokejt wrote: I am currently playing in a game where I am playing a CN Rogue, as CN suggests, I will do whatever is best for me at the time and for the most part it goes with the best interest of the party, all of whom are some sort of good alliance.
We were in the middle of a dungeon crawl through what were basically the layers of hell, obviously evil, when we came across a monster that was sleeping. The paladin in the group confirmed it was evil so my rogue went up and basically coup de grace'd it. I was told, later by my group, that this was an evil act. I disagreed but my question is, as a CN character, wouldn't it be in his nature to sometimes commit evil acts if they are in his best interest?
This example is a fairly distorted situation. Let me give you one that's much better from recent anime.
The Avatar episode "Zuko Alone" is a classic answer to your question. He's wandering the desert High Plains Drifter style, and he's out of food and water and feeling the effects of deprivation. Suddenly he spots a man making a meal and his hand goes to his sword. Then on a second look he sees that he's feeding the meal to his very pregnant wife and at that point he loosens his grip and moves on.
Right THEN at that point is an example of a tipping choice between Chaotic Neutral and Chaotic Evil. While Avatar isn't 'exactly' an anime (close enough in style and general themes though I suppose), you make an excellent argument Lazar X. Well said, and I'm in complete agreement with this point of view.
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The example in question is a good example of another variation of Chaotic Neutral, the person who's constantly struggling between his good and evil instincts but essentially self-motivated. Zuko crosses the line back and for a fair bit before essentially settling on the Chaotic Good side of the fence at the midpoint of the last season.
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