It used to be, i'd sit and watch Sci-fi channel on friday nights 'cuz it had all the good shows on one night. Some good, some mediocre.. but at least they were at least semi-new.
Now its wrestling- which I could care less about- and shuffling other shows to other time slots. I like Eureka but can never find it and Warehouse 13 is "meh" but .. it too is elusive to find anymore. SGU was something I looked forward to and now its gone altogether. that just leaves "Being Human" which is slightly better than mediocre.
It seems ever since Sci-Fi went with that goofy, pointless name change that its less and less of a channel I care to watch.
Blech. What's there to watch now? Endless repeats of the various criminal catching shows?
-S
I hope Sy-Fy does a direct to DVD SGU movie to wrap up most of the plot lines like they did for SG1 with SG1:Ark of truth.
They are doing 10 episodes as a 'wrap up'. Not sure how well that'll work. (i.e. not sure if they writers knew they were "wrapping up" when they did them, etc.)
-S
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Nah, I'm messing. Obviously the plots and all that bs are fiction, although in my mind it's debatable whether or not the matches are scripted/fixed.
Whether they're scripted or not (they are - too many tell-alls out there, sorry), it takes an amazing amount of endurance and athleticism to pull of what they do!
For me, SGU was just starting to get interesting. The first season was a bit too mopey for me. Decent premise, but they tripped all over themselves trying to find a niche for each character. The end of the first half of season two got a little slow, but the last half is going good.
I really hate how all the shows are splitting the seasons now, too. Especially after cutting each season down to only 13 episodes. It seems like that practice is killing shows almost as fast as low budget 'reality' crap tv. I'd rather have an episode every other week than a 3 month break in the middle.
I liked this week's. Though they suffered story failure.
They have point A, Point B, and know how fast the sublight ships travel (They gave the estimated time of arrival). Yet with all this... they *can't* find their decendents?
(a)Homeworld is 14 days away, if we take everyone, we'll just barely make it before our life support gives out ... or we could take a handful with us and if we find that the planet is ok, we could come back 14 days and get the rest. We are talking 6 weeks of travel time, which I'm thinking, so what, what else do you have to do. Or risk everyone's lives. Durrr.
(b)Jump 1 minute in FTL and catch up to the ships. Dock. Get info to save the medic. Maybe do some ferrying from ships to planet. But come on people! You found a civilization of humans, that know crap. Give them 5 years of help, and you'll have a fleet of ships.
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I liked this week's. Though they suffered story failure.
They have point A, Point B, and know how fast the sublight ships travel (They gave the estimated time of arrival). Yet with all this... they *can't* find their decendents?
Space is really, really big, and likely those ships aren't giving off much in the way of light. So totally believable to me. The error bars on their exact location are gonna be kind of big.
As Russ says space is really, really big. They could be anywhere, space is not flat and even a few meters left or down per day with corrections could make it near imposable to guess where they are. They could jump 'near' and still not be close enough to detect them*.
That is even if you knew the very day the ships left, the route they planned to take and the exact speed. Things they do not know and have no way of knowing.
* depends on just how good the sensors are, the rang they have and the output of the ships.If they are sleeper ships , mostly drifting then they would prob be as hard to detect as the drones.
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I'm really sad that this show is cancelled. I was reflecting how the characters have grown this morning.
Young - tired burned out soldier, stepping up to be a true commander. (last night clenched it. "I'm not advising you. I'm telling you.")
Greer - gone from a wildly unstable soldier to a much more rounded and balanced character. (The conversation about him being the one to kill Chloe and asking her forgiveness was one of the high points)
Johansen - Again, growth as she's become more confident in her abilities. She's now the ships doctor and is equal to any of the male characters
Eli - Gone from the 'why am I here' to the 'I am part of this team' dynamic.
Hollywood/Vancouver had better give Jamil Walker Smith a series. The man has a subtle charisma and power about him. Same for Alaina Huffman. Both actors have really caught my eye.
I'm really sad that this show is cancelled. I was reflecting how the characters have grown this morning.
Young - tired burned out soldier, stepping up to be a true commander. (last night clenched it. "I'm not advising you. I'm telling you.")
Greer - gone from a wildly unstable soldier to a much more rounded and balanced character. (The conversation about him being the one to kill Chloe and asking her forgiveness was one of the high points)
Johansen - Again, growth as she's become more confident in her abilities. She's now the ships doctor and is equal to any of the male characters
Eli - Gone from the 'why am I here' to the 'I am part of this team' dynamic.Hollywood/Vancouver had better give Jamil Walker Smith a series. The man has a subtle charisma and power about him. Same for Alaina Huffman. Both actors have really caught my eye.
+1 to all of the above.
Next week's episode is going to be bittersweet. But I'm glad I can still show some support for the series and the actors by getting the DVD sets.
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-1 to all of the above.
I cheer SGU's death.
I agree with Matthew, the growth has been great and I would have love to seen this season if it wasn't so rushed, some of those stories felt like they were meant to be much larger. Really am sad to see it go now that it is growing into its own thing.
"What am I, Captain Kirk?"
Great line. Too bad the writers only started loosing up once they got the word they were on the outs. SG series have always been heavy on the humor. Definitely should have gone with more SG-1 and less BS:G to begin with.
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"What am I, Captain Kirk?"
Great line. Too bad the writers only started loosing up once they got the word they were on the outs. SG series have always been heavy on the humor. Definitely should have gone with more SG-1 and less BS:G to begin with.
I laughed at that too. That and Rush's "Don't touch anything." and the looking for an outfit line.
I liked the banter in hydroponics, as well as looking forward to see if something was going to happen between Eli and her. (I wondered if Ginn had gotten into the systems and was jealous.)
"What am I, Captain Kirk?"
Great line. Too bad the writers only started loosing up once they got the word they were on the outs. SG series have always been heavy on the humor. Definitely should have gone with more SG-1 and less BS:G to begin with.
Now this gets a huge +1 from me.
Could not agree more. They made the wrong decision on the tone of the series from day 1.
"What am I, Captain Kirk?"
Great line. Too bad the writers only started loosing up once they got the word they were on the outs. SG series have always been heavy on the humor. Definitely should have gone with more SG-1 and less BS:G to begin with.
Now this gets a huge +1 from me.
Could not agree more. They made the wrong decision on the tone of the series from day 1.
I forgot the other one, that cracked me up.
"We have to pick a star that we wouldn't go to in a Million years."
"Wait, don't tell me.
So saw the last episode last night.
My thoughts on how it should have ended.
Of course, maybe that is what Eli ends up doing, but I think Rush would have been a better choice given his desire to see Destiny's mission unfold. Also, he could "ascend" or become one with the computer and if the show ever gets picked up again, he could make guest appearances.
-1 to all of the above.
I cheer SGU's death.
You, sir, are being a troll. Knock it off.
I agree with the comments about the show becoming better as it went along. Ending it now actually reminds me of a line from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade -- "You left just when you were becoming interesting!"
You, sir, are being a troll. Knock it off.
Take a hike.
I've been following along with SGU and the discussions in their entirety that I will certainly express my displeasure with the show. Too bad for you if you don't like it.
No, this isn't just a rah-rah gushing thread for SGU, I'm afraid. I do disagree with the previous statements, and I will certainly say so. I recommend no longer reading my posts if you don't like it.
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-1 to all of the above.
I cheer SGU's death.
You, sir, are being a troll. Knock it off.
I agree with the comments about the show becoming better as it went along. Ending it now actually reminds me of a line from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade -- "You left just when you were becoming interesting!"
+1
I recommend no longer reading my posts if you don't like it.
It may come to that, but I prefer dialog first when trying to resolve disagreements.
If you have been involved in this and other board discussions on the show, I apologize. I have not had the chance to read everything yet.
Hopefully you understand how, while I was scrolling through the last half-page or so of comments, lamenting the loss of the show, and then come across your comment saying [paraphrase]"you're all nuts, I thought the show sucked"[/paraphrase], I thought we had a troll in our midst.
What, then, did you dislike about the show?
Wow. Abject suckage. What a loss, by my reckoning. It was the only SG show I ever took a shine to.
It may come to that, but I prefer dialog first when trying to resolve disagreements.
What, then, did you dislike about the show?
I'm not really sure there's a disagreement to "resolve"... and I don't really think you actually want to know why I ended up disliking SGU (and if so, I don't really know why you want to know) - but if you truly do for whatever reason, I can oblige.
I just didn't want to clutter with an overly long, possibly ranty post.
I don't really think you actually want to know why I ended up disliking SGU (and if so, I don't really know why you want to know)
[@Arnwyn]It seemed like a good way to restart the conversation without calling each other names.
I know there are many who disliked SGU because it differed in tone from the previous SG series, or because it was too close to BSG, or because they saw too much political commentary in it. I enjoyed it, but obviously tastes differ from person to person. If you don't want to get into it, that's OK.[/@Arnwyn]
As I mentioned earlier, I actually thought the show got better as it went on. I really wish we had gotten the chance to see the effect of Eli's realization at the end of the finale that "I'm smarter than he is, and all three of us know it!" I loved Eli's character.
I am not Arnyn but here is my take on it.
To quote myself from earlier in the thread:
"I will say meh not as great as I was hoping. I had mixed feelings about Eli as the "you are here", average science fiction fan. I liked the fan ascpect but way to insult your demographic by impling that all sci-fi fans are fat, smart but unmotivated, mom/basement dwellers, with limited abilities to interact with the opposite sex. Really thats what you thought was a good idea."
When Neil Degrase Tyson, Hawking and numerous other serious scientists have talked about their love of sci-fi: beyond Pohl, and Steven Baxter's hard science fiction, you do your audience a disservice to present them as a major character in the show that way.
Second, Carlyle and the other science based characters came across like the characters in the parody film The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra.
Coupled with being too similar, too soon after BSG. Yea it had problems. I will admit the last few episodes as some humor was interjected were much better.
[@Arnwyn]It seemed like a good way to restart the conversation without calling each other names.
I know there are many who disliked SGU because it differed in tone from the previous SG series, or because it was too close to BSG, or because they saw too much political commentary in it. I enjoyed it, but obviously tastes differ from person to person. If you don't want to get into it, that's OK.[/@Arnwyn]
Fair enough. I, too, thought it got better as it went along, but not 'better enough'. It lost its goodwill a while back. But yeah - pretty much what you said are my problems with it (less the political commentary, which either I a) didn't notice or b) didn't mind).
But, here's my rant anyways!
SGU had it wrong right from the get-go - mainly in both tone and the relative divergence from everything Stargate beforehand. It was Stargate in name only (barely). I think the tone is what I hated the most. Emo, dark, and angsty makes for pretty crappy TV most of the time (it isn't easy to do right) and it really doesn't work for Stargate. Timing was bad, too. After getting clubbed over the head with it thanks to BSG (good for the first 2 seasons, incredible drek for the last 2) and then the horrendous Caprica, it made Stargate that much more unpleasant. Blah blah blah bad. Blah blah bad worse. Blah blah blah whine. Yeah, we get it, your lives suck. Boring!
Stargate never was that way, so doing a 180 isn't necessarily appreciated. It started off on the wrong foot, and then never let up. They even changed characters (or concentrated solely on their darker side) - O'Neil sucked in SGU early on, and again, set the tone for the series. Not a promising start...
The story and premise were also questionable. Destiny's mission is to go and find out this "universe signal" thingy? And it's oh-so-important somehow? Well, no, it isn't. Stargate already previously made it abundantly clear that the Ancients found something far more important to do - ascending. And hell - at least one modern human already figured it out! Woo! I'm pretty sure the ascended Ancients already figured out the 'secrets of the universe' pretty quickly and efficiently, instead of trundling along in a decrepit ship. Rush is an idiot, and consequently so are the show's writers. After Stargate's concept of "ascension", this storyline was less than compelling.
The characters were another problem. Pretty unlikeable, with the added problem of superfluous characters (Chloe? C'mon. She should have been fired out an airlock by the third episode.) The relationships were generally not-believable (Chloe yet again, Greer and... Park? Oh, who cares) and really haven't been presented in any way to make us care.
As mentioned elsewhere, this show had no humor, no action, and no camaraderie. Just a bunch of schmoes who I don't care about trying to survive, which got boring right quick by the 3rd episode or so.
But this is hardly exhaustive and you don't really need my list - there's loads of sites and boards out there that give a myriad of reasons why people dislike SGU, and most of them are easy to agree with, AFAIC. So... those.
This show simply wasn't good, and mucked up Stargate in the process.
Whew!
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The story and premise were also questionable. Destiny's mission is to go and find out this "universe signal" thingy? And it's oh-so-important somehow? Well, no, it isn't. Stargate already previously made it abundantly clear that the Ancients found something far more important to do - ascending. And hell - at least one modern human already figured it out! Woo! I'm pretty sure the ascended Ancients already figured out the 'secrets of the universe' pretty quickly and efficiently, instead of trundling along in a decrepit ship. Rush is an idiot, and consequently so are the show's writers. After Stargate's concept of "ascension", this storyline was less than compelling.
I wanted to get into this a bit. I won't adress the rest of your post, especially the parts I agree with. (I hope the actress who played Chloe gets something better, because I hated that character) But I feel you've several aspects of 'series canon' wrong.
We've seen via Atlantis, the Pegasus Replicators, the superweapon on Chulak, Anubis, etc. that one thing the ancients weren't good at was picking up after themselves. If they had been, then there would be no series, of course, because the gould would never have found the gate technology or other toys. But Universe continued that trend. (And ascended ancients could easily clean up after their non-ascended selves)
I was under the impression that Destiny was built prior to Atlantis (it seems more primitive, the gates seem to have *much* less range, etc)
I'd also point out that the only Ascended human I can think of is Daniel, and he didn't 'Figure it out'. Oma helped him ascend both times. Oma was also a frak up as far as ancients go.
Finally, Rush may want to ascend, but he doesn't have Oma, and only has what the Ancients were looking for. Did they launch Destiny searching for these' even more ancients' and then ascend and decide the point was moot? Were they so busy shielding the Milky Way (and we assume Pegasus) from the Ori that they didn't have time to find the big cosmic secret but figured Destiny was still out there?
Also even if Rush was after Ascention, the rest of the crew (and Homeworld Command) weren't. Homeworld Command has the same mission as the SGC before it, to find allies and new tech and use both to aid earth (Which should have made Earth incredibly different by now, but that's a different story). Heck, the Seed ships alone, if they could set up a two way connection with Earth, would have been priceless. Even with the Asgard database, we've seen no sign they can *build* stargates, while the seed ships were 'gate-o-matics' With that knowlege, they could build a 'midway station' 2.0 on a completely seperate network. Destiny's shields are superior to anything HWC has, and its' refueling mission could make missions last much longer. etc. The Tauri have already improved on some ancient technology (The stones have a much smaller platform, and don't require the ancient gene to work, for example).
Again Arnwyn, I'm not arguing to say 'you're wrong' just that you and I seem to have an incredibly different view on series cannon.
I also feel that while the series should have been less dark to start, it was a new direction, that was needed. (And they should have avoided the soft rock montages, gods they should have avoided them.) With SG-1 we had the right team in the right place with support. With Atlantis, we had the right team in the right place with lots of gear because they *presumed* they weren't going to just be able to dial back home. (they were right of course).
With SGU, we had the *wrong* team in the right place. Rush shouldn't have been let anywhere near Destiny, Young was looking to quit (and sleeping with a subbordinate) Greer had subscriptions, not issues, Chloe and her father were tourists. etc. That aspect was new, and all the guest stars couldn't change the one aspect I liked about the show. O'Neil could have come and made a pep speech, but in the end 'you're not here'.
Again Arnwyn, I'm not arguing to say 'you're wrong' just that you and I seem to have an incredibly different view on series cannon.
Actually, I entirely agree with the view you posted. That's how I see things, too.
But the problem is, I've seen all of the previous Stargate shows. I know what's possible, and what's been done. So, if they're basing a large premise (actually the point) of the show on that one thing that turns out doesn't really matter in the whole scheme of things - hell, the Ancients abandoned it as well because it turns out they really did find something better - well, they're not going to get me interested as a viewer. They messed up right from the start. It was a dumb premise and bad idea - I couldn't possibly care less what Destiny's 'destiny' was. So with that gone, not is all lost - I can fall back on the characters! Whoops. Blah. Airlock the lot of 'em.
I also feel that while the series should have been less dark to start, it was a new direction, that was needed.
*cough* Not needed. (I.e. you'll never get agreement from me here.)
(And they should have avoided the soft rock montages, gods they should have avoided them.)
LOL! You do get agreement from me here. Holy cow, did they overuse that. My wife was rolling her eyes faster than me. Add that to my ranty list above! :D
For me SGU had no character on it I liked. Not one. They where all whiny horrible petty people with no redeeming qualities. I think I stopped watching it around episodes 12 to 14, I wanted to like the show, it was Stargate. I loved SG-1 and Atlantis.
I did like the set design and the whole look of Destiny. If they would have provided some likable people along with that I would still be watching and be sad it's cancelled. As it stands I could care less and hope the producer's for the Stargate franchise have learned a lesson in what not to do.
I do hope that they try another Stargate show in the future.
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Ok, just watched the last episode. Damnit, I hope they resolve this in some media (comics, novels, etc)
I see three options.
Eli dies
Homeworld command sends a puddle jumper full of supplies, including a naqueda reactor or two, they let everyone out of the fridge and jump to the next galaxy.
Eli gets the last tube working.
Of the two (non SGC) scenarios we either have them wake up 3 years later, or 1000 years later.
My only regret about them leaving the galaxy, is we never find out of alternate-destiny's descendents were all slaughtered by the drones.
(That and what dress Young picked up for Camile
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My thought on the end of the last episode:
Thoughts
Another option ism Eli uploads himself.
Or they could be woken up because he found something, such as another ship or civilization.
I to wanted to see how the decedents played out, and more on where the drones are from and what war they fought.
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Thoughts
** spoiler omitted **
I do not think that Eli will have fixed the tube but I do think he will have either uploaded himself or ascended.
They have been watched by the ancients after all.
Also I half expect the ship to pop them out well before they leave the specific galaxy they are currently in because of an unforeseen circumstance or something the Rush did.
hehe really good LOL
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Ok, just watched the last episode. Damnit, I hope they resolve this in some media (comics, novels, etc)
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Eli lied. (a) he cant fix the last cryotube, and (b) they are going to drop short and drift a thousand years anyway.
What is Eli going to do? Why do you think he spends so much time looking at the old footage of him in the alternate reality becomming a builder of a new civilization? A thousand years from now Dronemaster Eli the Eighty Seventh will deploy to a derelict drifter on the far edge of his Galactic Imperium and discover a bunch of Humans in cryo.
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** spoiler omitted **Thoughts
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Problems with the Drone theory
Edit: Irony would be that in some ways, their fear of Rush was right. If not for Rush/Eli's star surfing, the drone ships wouldn't have adapted to gate hunt. Thus Rush was the devil that would destroy them.
UUH; my head hurts just reading your posts.
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I was never a fan of the other Sg TV shows and really did not like the movie either that much... it was OK.
But I and my BF both loved SGU. It was darker and grittier than the other versions. I happened to like and hate many of the characters.
instead SyFy comes out with more shows bordering on the national shows.
The one thing I really loved about SGU was that it was not about a Doc, Lawyer, or a Cop which is what everything else on TV is, that or reality.
Sad day, loved the show as I know others did.
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Personally, of everything else that's currently running, SGU is my favorite sci-fi program. Most of the things many of you revile about the show are the exact things I enjoy the most, specifically the darker tone, score, dialogue, plots and cinematography.
I don't mean that any of you should agree with me, but I'm wondering what you're watching that's actually better--I'd like to know what I'm missing.
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Personally, of everything else that's currently running, SGU is my favorite sci-fi program. Most of the things many of you revile about the show are the exact things I enjoy the most, specifically the darker tone, score, dialogue, plots and cinematography.
I don't mean that any of you should agree with me, but I'm wondering what you're watching that's actually better--I'd like to know what I'm missing.
+1
Plus for me it started to be getting really good and some of the humor I like to break up the darkness was peeking out.
With DVD sales tanking like they are unfortunately there probably won't be a DVD movie.