paizo.com Recent Posts in Spellstrike + Close Range arcana + Arcane Blast feat = possible ?paizo.com Recent Posts in Spellstrike + Close Range arcana + Arcane Blast feat = possible ?2012-11-15T23:01:10Z2012-11-15T23:01:10ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: Spellstrike + Close Range arcana + Arcane Blast feat = possible ?Banpai (alias of Sebastian Hirsch)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lm1f?Spellstrike-Close-Range-arcana-Arcane-Blast#62010-12-18T18:19:07Z2010-12-18T18:19:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">JiCi wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Banpai wrote:</div><blockquote><p> No.</p>
<p>Once you use Arcane Blast the attack is no longer a spell.</p>
<p>But seriously why would you want to do this? It´s 1d6 per level of the spell slot. A level 1 slot that could be used for a shocking grasp would only do 1d6 , at level 2 it becomes worse since you have scorching ray - or intensified shocking grasp. </blockquote><p>I still think that the spell list is lacking ranged touch and melee touch attacks at higher levels. Sure, you get <i>disintegrate</i> for a 6th level spell, but that's it.
<p>You see, my major problem with the Magus is that there isn't a feat or class feature that allows it to convert <b>any</b> spell in a melee touch attack. <b>Why isn't there something that allows the Magus to convert single-target spells like <i>Flesh to Stone</i> or area spells like <i>Fireball</i> or <i>Cone of cold</i> into a melee touch attack so it could be used with Spellstrike ?</b> That could be far more useful than just limiting it to melee touch attacks and then to ranged touch attacks, especially since like I said the list is lacking. For instance, <b>where's <i>Polar Ray</i> ?</b> Just give it as a 6th-level, and no harm done.</p>
<p>Geez... that's probably all the Magus needs to be a great class. The Magus might probably have a better melee attack bonus then a ranged attack bonus or a spell DC, so might as well amp up the possibilities that uses a melee atack roll and give the Magus the possibility to convert any spells into melee touch attacks.</p>
<p>Furthermore, it wouldn't be broken, because Spellstrike targets only one creature, so you have to decide if you'll hit at 90% chance a single target for maximum damage or target multiple ones for a 50% chance of minimum damage ? </blockquote><p>Don´t really see your point here buddy.
<p>I mean the spelllist could use some more fitting spells, but with intensify spell and the close range arcane I feel pretty much everything is covered when if commes to spellstrike. </p>
<p>The reason why I currently against allowing to use flesh to stone as a touch range spells the following:</p>
<p>Why should it give you another swing, if the effect of the spell still gives a saving throw? I really don´t see the need for such an ability here. </p>
<p>On the other hand, if you could use a spell storing weapon with level 6 spells it would be pretty much what you suggested.</p>JiCi wrote:Banpai wrote:No.
Once you use Arcane Blast the attack is no longer a spell.
But seriously why would you want to do this? It´s 1d6 per level of the spell slot. A level 1 slot that could be used for a shocking grasp would only do 1d6 , at level 2 it becomes worse since you have scorching ray - or intensified shocking grasp.
I still think that the spell list is lacking ranged touch and melee touch attacks at higher levels. Sure, you get disintegrate for a 6th level spell, but...Banpai (alias of Sebastian Hirsch)2010-12-18T18:19:07ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: Spellstrike + Close Range arcana + Arcane Blast feat = possible ?JiCihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lm1f?Spellstrike-Close-Range-arcana-Arcane-Blast#52010-12-18T12:36:18Z2010-12-18T12:36:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">LazarX wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">JiCi wrote:</div><blockquote> Can a Magus with the Arcane Blast feat (from the APG) can convert a spell into a ray, convert it again into a melee touch attack and then use that new melee touch attack with Spellstrike ? </blockquote>No.. The spells are what put the Spell in Spellstrike. The Arcane Blast effect is not a spell. </blockquote><p>I see, thanks for the input.LazarX wrote:JiCi wrote: Can a Magus with the Arcane Blast feat (from the APG) can convert a spell into a ray, convert it again into a melee touch attack and then use that new melee touch attack with Spellstrike ?
No.. The spells are what put the Spell in Spellstrike. The Arcane Blast effect is not a spell. I see, thanks for the input.JiCi2010-12-18T12:36:18ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: Spellstrike + Close Range arcana + Arcane Blast feat = possible ?LazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lm1f?Spellstrike-Close-Range-arcana-Arcane-Blast#42010-12-16T18:22:44Z2010-12-16T18:22:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">JiCi wrote:</div><blockquote> Can a Magus with the Arcane Blast feat (from the APG) can convert a spell into a ray, convert it again into a melee touch attack and then use that new melee touch attack with Spellstrike ? </blockquote><p>No.. The spells are what put the Spell in Spellstrike. The Arcane Blast effect is not a spell.JiCi wrote:Can a Magus with the Arcane Blast feat (from the APG) can convert a spell into a ray, convert it again into a melee touch attack and then use that new melee touch attack with Spellstrike ?
No.. The spells are what put the Spell in Spellstrike. The Arcane Blast effect is not a spell.LazarX2010-12-16T18:22:44ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: Spellstrike + Close Range arcana + Arcane Blast feat = possible ?JiCihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lm1f?Spellstrike-Close-Range-arcana-Arcane-Blast#32010-12-16T18:19:08Z2010-12-16T18:19:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Banpai wrote:</div><blockquote><p> No.</p>
<p>Once you use Arcane Blast the attack is no longer a spell.</p>
<p>But seriously why would you want to do this? It´s 1d6 per level of the spell slot. A level 1 slot that could be used for a shocking grasp would only do 1d6 , at level 2 it becomes worse since you have scorching ray - or intensified shocking grasp. </blockquote><p>I still think that the spell list is lacking ranged touch and melee touch attacks at higher levels. Sure, you get <i>disintegrate</i> for a 6th level spell, but that's it.
<p>You see, my major problem with the Magus is that there isn't a feat or class feature that allows it to convert <b>any</b> spell in a melee touch attack. <b>Why isn't there something that allows the Magus to convert single-target spells like <i>Flesh to Stone</i> or area spells like <i>Fireball</i> or <i>Cone of cold</i> into a melee touch attack so it could be used with Spellstrike ?</b> That could be far more useful than just limiting it to melee touch attacks and then to ranged touch attacks, especially since like I said the list is lacking. For instance, <b>where's <i>Polar Ray</i> ?</b> Just give it as a 6th-level, and no harm done.</p>
<p>Geez... that's probably all the Magus needs to be a great class. The Magus might probably have a better melee attack bonus then a ranged attack bonus or a spell DC, so might as well amp up the possibilities that uses a melee atack roll and give the Magus the possibility to convert any spells into melee touch attacks.</p>
<p>Furthermore, it wouldn't be broken, because Spellstrike targets only one creature, so you have to decide if you'll hit at 90% chance a single target for maximum damage or target multiple ones for a 50% chance of minimum damage ?</p>Banpai wrote:No.
Once you use Arcane Blast the attack is no longer a spell.
But seriously why would you want to do this? It´s 1d6 per level of the spell slot. A level 1 slot that could be used for a shocking grasp would only do 1d6 , at level 2 it becomes worse since you have scorching ray - or intensified shocking grasp.
I still think that the spell list is lacking ranged touch and melee touch attacks at higher levels. Sure, you get disintegrate for a 6th level spell, but that's it. You...JiCi2010-12-16T18:19:08ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: Spellstrike + Close Range arcana + Arcane Blast feat = possible ?Banpai (alias of Sebastian Hirsch)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lm1f?Spellstrike-Close-Range-arcana-Arcane-Blast#22012-11-15T23:01:10Z2010-12-16T17:55:37Z<p>No.</p>
<p>Once you use Arcane Blast the attack is no longer a spell.</p>
<p>But seriously why would you want to do this? It´s 1d6 per level of the spell slot. A level 1 slot that could be used for a shocking grasp would only do 1d6 , at level 2 it becomes worse since you have scorching ray - or intensified shocking grasp.</p>No.
Once you use Arcane Blast the attack is no longer a spell.
But seriously why would you want to do this? It´s 1d6 per level of the spell slot. A level 1 slot that could be used for a shocking grasp would only do 1d6 , at level 2 it becomes worse since you have scorching ray - or intensified shocking grasp.Banpai (alias of Sebastian Hirsch)2010-12-16T17:55:37ZForums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: Spellstrike + Close Range arcana + Arcane Blast feat = possible ?JiCihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lm1f?Spellstrike-Close-Range-arcana-Arcane-Blast#12012-11-15T23:01:10Z2010-12-16T17:29:09Z<p>Can a Magus with the Arcane Blast feat (from the APG) can convert a spell into a ray, convert it again into a melee touch attack and then use that new melee touch attack with Spellstrike ?</p>Can a Magus with the Arcane Blast feat (from the APG) can convert a spell into a ray, convert it again into a melee touch attack and then use that new melee touch attack with Spellstrike ?JiCi2010-12-16T17:29:09Z