Powerful Charge Question

[Turey]

My fellow player and I have a dispute on the damage for powerful charge. The description of powerful charge says it does "extra" damage, which the other player interprets as bonus on top of the normal damage, where as I view it as the total damage.

For Example, for the Rhinoceros (Powerful Charge(gore, 4d6 + 12)):
His way = (2d6 + 9) + (4d6+12) = 6d6 + 21
My way = 4d6 + 12

Who is right here? How much total damage does a Rhino do on a powerful charge?

[northbrb]

my question would be, why would it be referred to as extra damage if it is the only damage used? for me extra damage is added damage on top of normal damage, that would be my interpretation.

[ciretose]

Turey wrote:

My fellow player and I have a dispute on the damage for powerful charge. The description of powerful charge says it does "extra" damage, which the other player interprets as bonus on top of the normal damage, where as I view it as the total damage.

For Example, for the Rhinoceros (Powerful Charge(gore, 4d6 + 12)):
His way = (2d6 + 9) + (4d6+12) = 6d6 + 21
My way = 4d6 + 12

Who is right here? How much total damage does a Rhino do on a powerful charge?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/universal-monster-rules #TOC-Powerful-Charge-Ex-

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/rhinoceros

You are correct. Standard charge would just be the gore attack.

Key language "The attack and amount of damage from the attack is given in the creature's description."

[Turey]

northbrb wrote:

my question would be, why would it be referred to as extra damage if it is the only damage used? for me extra damage is added damage on top of normal damage, that would be my interpretation.

The entire passage in question:

Powerful Charge (Ex) When a creature with this special
attack makes a charge, its attack deals extra damage in
addition to the normal benefits and hazards of a charge.
The attack and amount of damage from the attack is
given in the creature’s description.

And in the Rhino entry:
Offense
Speed 40 ft.
Melee gore +8 (2d6+9)
Space 10 ft.; Reach 5 ft.
Special Attacks powerful charge (gore, 4d6+12)

So how much damage does a Rhino do on a charge?

[northbrb]

looking at the full description i think maybe i was wrong, looks like you are right.

go with the 4d6+12

[Turey]

Thanks for the help, both of you.

[northbrb]

no problem