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Specifically I'm thinking of a Mirthil Chain Shirt (probably magical) hidden underneath a normal set of clothes (yes, like Frodo). The purpose of this would be to avoid buying the Glamoured armor enhancement, and to still have the fact that my character is dressed for combat (he is also wielding a cane sword) hidden.
Are there specific rules related to this concept, or would there be a Disguise check necessary, or just a straight-up penalty to some actions, or is it perfectly acceptable and someone simply must make a Perception check to notice it? What say ya'll?
But glamoured is cheap anyway, stop being stingy ;)
Hah, not cheaper than a mundane outfit. I'll pìck it up someday, but for now I need to dress to impress and not to intimidate, and I'd rather put that money into weapon enhancements, different armor enhancements (Shadow), and poisons.
Yeah, I'm that bastard.
And thanks for the response.
His GM might be of a mind to insist that everyone disarm themselves, including armor, before going to a party. Considering the status value of fine armor, and that it's a medival setting, this nonsense takes me out of the game. The last rogue I made I bought him some smugglers boots. I put the silver dagger in one and the cold iron dagger in the other. Such valuable items are never turned over to a servent who could be a thief who murdered the real servant just minutes ago.
As a house rule I allow armors that would have a skill mod. of -1 or less so either a Masterworked Padded, Leather or Mithril Chain Shirt. Not sure for a Studded Leather ...
I'd let you do it. Possibly call for a disguise check if I thought you'd be under scrutiny.
So a traveler's outfit would hide it.
A courtiers or noble's outfit would if you are going for a frilly thing like in the movies.
Okay, great. I am mainly interested from an RP point of view. Going to be playing a Rogue with the Spy archetype, and I'd rather be able to blend in with crowds of commoners when I need to, but most of all not appear too threatening. Probably pull the "I'm just an innocent travelling merchant, these are my sometimes-bodyguards..." card.
Thanks for the feedback.
Wouldn't a hat of disquise do the same thing as glamoured and a whole lot more for less cash anyway?
I would think a mithral chain shirt could be hidden under normal clothes with a decent disguise check. The only issue I see is giving such armor something like shadow, since that and similar abilities tend to involve at least some direct interaction with the environment, and I could see clothes on top of the armor negating at least part of the effect.
I would think a mithral chain shirt could be hidden under normal clothes with a decent disguise check. The only issue I see is giving such armor something like shadow, since that and similar abilities tend to involve at least some direct interaction with the environment, and I could see clothes on top of the armor negating at least part of the effect.
I agree. If I bought the shadow effect, I'm sure it wouldn't come into effect unless I removed the outer layer of clothing.
As a house rule I allow armors that would have a skill mod. of -1 or less so either a Masterworked Padded, Leather or Mithril Chain Shirt. Not sure for a Studded Leather ...The problem with either padded or most leather armors... It's kind of like trying to stuff a medium jacket underneath a shirt... the way shoplifters often try to do at Wal-Mart.
Well to me a MW version of these items make them more like high grade hardness tight fits of an either fantasy or modern look. So not quite in the shoplifter gearstock ;)
(+150g.p. is super expensive compared to the originals)
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Specifically I'm thinking of a Mirthil Chain Shirt (probably magical) hidden underneath a normal set of clothes (yes, like Frodo). The purpose of this would be to avoid buying the Glamoured armor enhancement, and to still have the fact that my character is dressed for combat (he is also wielding a cane sword) hidden.
Are there specific rules related to this concept, or would there be a Disguise check necessary, or just a straight-up penalty to some actions, or is it perfectly acceptable and someone simply must make a Perception check to notice it? What say ya'll?
If your clothing completely concealed the Mithral Chain Shirt from view, I'd allow it at no penalty on a simple DC disguise check. I see it as the modern equivalent of body armor used for executive protection under the suit. In a fantasy setting, outside a drow community at least, it is probably not all that common for someone to be armored under their clothes as that would be fantastically expensive to most.
For any other armor, I'd apply the armor check penalty to a disguise check, the difficulty set by the category of the armor. Light DC 10, Medium DC 20, Heavy DC 30. This is just what I'd do, take it as you will :)
Remember that it is still bulky, it is still far thicker and heavier than any clothing and has a quilted padding underneith
+1,
While you can easily hide a chainmail shirt under most normal clothes, you WILL look like someone who is wearing a 'bullet proof vest' uder your clothes unless you have very bulky clothes on.
Mithil is lighter and finer than standard chain so the effect will be smaller but it is still there because it is not just the actual chain shirt your hiding but the padded layer that goes with it. I suppose you could forgoe the padding but then you would essentually have no protection against crushing attacks and reduced protection against most other attacks.
It is the combination of the chain mail layer and the padding that stops everything. I own and wear chainmail and have easily worn my chain mail shirt (without padding) under denim button up shirts that cover it 99% but folks still generally noticed the noise it would make if I walked too quickly and could tell the additional bulk under the clothes.
While it can be done, I would recommend a good disguise check to cover it up to be safe. If your playing a spy type I assume you have the skill maxed out and can take your time in the morning to take a 20 to do a good job.
You should be able to bypass most casual scrutiny.
Obviously the best option would be to wear Bracers of Armor (since they are just bracers and can be made to look as martial or decorative as you want) or Celestial Armor (which specificall says in it's description that it can be worn unnoticed under clothes) if and when you can afford them but until then you disguise will have to take up the slack.
You can with a chainmail bikini too, but they tend to chaff and pinch so not recommend.
And sometimes it isn't just the chains that pinch, often it is also the males. *winks*
Greg
For any other armor, I'd apply the armor check penalty to a disguise check, the difficulty set by the category of the armor. Light DC 10, Medium DC 20, Heavy DC 30. This is just what I'd do, take it as you will :)
I like this alot.
Greg
