paizo.com Recent Posts in Alternate familiarspaizo.com Recent Posts in Alternate familiars2012-11-15T23:00:07Z2012-11-15T23:00:07ZRe: Forums: Advice: Alternate familiarsbuzzbyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lk21?Alternate-familiars#122010-12-12T13:47:39Z2010-12-12T13:47:39Z<p>Thanks everyone, that's been very helpful. I think we're going to run with the Ross/mdt version.</p>Thanks everyone, that's been very helpful. I think we're going to run with the Ross/mdt version.buzzby2010-12-12T13:47:39ZRe: Forums: Advice: Alternate familiarsBlueluck (alias of S)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lk21?Alternate-familiars#112010-12-03T18:31:41Z2010-12-03T18:31:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">mdt wrote:</div><blockquote><p> At 1st level, let them take Improved Familiar.</p>
<p>Level 1 - 3 : Use Housecat stats, call it a Cub
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Level 4 - 6 : Apply Young template to leopard, call it Adolescent
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Level 7+ : Use full grown Snow Leopard stats. </blockquote><p>+1
<p>I think you nailed it right there! I would let the player take the Improved Familiar feat at whatever level they want, so long as they don't get benefits before they take the feat.</p>mdt wrote:At 1st level, let them take Improved Familiar.
Level 1 - 3 : Use Housecat stats, call it a Cub
Level 4 - 6 : Apply Young template to leopard, call it Adolescent
Level 7+ : Use full grown Snow Leopard stats.
+1 I think you nailed it right there! I would let the player take the Improved Familiar feat at whatever level they want, so long as they don't get benefits before they take the feat.Blueluck (alias of S)2010-12-03T18:31:41ZRe: Forums: Advice: Alternate familiarsmdthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lk21?Alternate-familiars#102010-12-03T18:25:01Z2010-12-03T18:25:01Z<p>At 1st level, let them take Improved Familiar.</p>
<p>Level 1 - 3 : Use Housecat stats, call it a Cub
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Level 4 - 6 : Apply Young template to leopard, call it Adolescent
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Level 7+ : Use full grown Snow Leopard stats.</p>At 1st level, let them take Improved Familiar.
Level 1 - 3 : Use Housecat stats, call it a Cub
Level 4 - 6 : Apply Young template to leopard, call it Adolescent
Level 7+ : Use full grown Snow Leopard stats.mdt2010-12-03T18:25:01ZRe: Forums: Advice: Alternate familiarsRoss Byers (RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lk21?Alternate-familiars#92010-12-03T17:53:42Z2010-12-03T17:53:42Z<p>Use the statistics for a Cat familiar and just call it a Snow Leopard cub?</p>Use the statistics for a Cat familiar and just call it a Snow Leopard cub?Ross Byers (RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32)2010-12-03T17:53:42ZRe: Forums: Advice: Alternate familiarsTom S 820 (alias of Tom Saksa)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lk21?Alternate-familiars#82010-12-03T16:49:33Z2010-12-03T16:49:33Z<p>Small Caster with Small familiar + Reduce Person = Caster can Ride his Familar.
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I do it all the time Gnome on owl back. Firt level Flying mount. Caster with Monted Combat.</p>Small Caster with Small familiar + Reduce Person = Caster can Ride his Familar.
I do it all the time Gnome on owl back. Firt level Flying mount. Caster with Monted Combat.Tom S 820 (alias of Tom Saksa)2010-12-03T16:49:33ZRe: Forums: Advice: Alternate familiarsBlavehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lk21?Alternate-familiars#72010-12-03T12:05:19Z2010-12-03T12:05:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Maxxx wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Electric Monk wrote:</div><blockquote> Well Quasit and Leopard are both CR2 so i'd go with 7th level. However, for myself, i wouldn't allow a Medium creature as a familier even with the feat. I'd try to stear the player towards an alternative like an arctic fox or similar. </blockquote>I think level 7 looks good. I wouldn't worry about a medium creature as a familiar. A small character can gain a small sized familiar with improved familiar, thus it should be no problem for a medium character to gain a medium sized familiar. </blockquote><p>Well a small character can't ride on a small familiar but could do so on a medium sized one.
<p>Still, I think keeping the familiar safe is the most important thing, especially for a witch. Medium size only makes it a far easier target so I'd say compared to pretty much all alternatives, a leopard is worse overall.</p>Maxxx wrote:Electric Monk wrote: Well Quasit and Leopard are both CR2 so i'd go with 7th level. However, for myself, i wouldn't allow a Medium creature as a familier even with the feat. I'd try to stear the player towards an alternative like an arctic fox or similar.
I think level 7 looks good. I wouldn't worry about a medium creature as a familiar. A small character can gain a small sized familiar with improved familiar, thus it should be no problem for a medium character to gain a medium...Blave2010-12-03T12:05:19ZRe: Forums: Advice: Alternate familiarsElectric Monk (RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lk21?Alternate-familiars#62010-12-03T12:02:45Z2010-12-03T12:02:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Maxxx wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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I think level 7 looks good. I wouldn't worry about a medium creature as a familiar. A small character can gain a small sized familiar with improved familiar, thus it should be no problem for a medium character to gain a medium sized familiar. </blockquote><p>Good point, I wouldn't allow it for small characters though.Maxxx wrote:I think level 7 looks good. I wouldn't worry about a medium creature as a familiar. A small character can gain a small sized familiar with improved familiar, thus it should be no problem for a medium character to gain a medium sized familiar.
Good point, I wouldn't allow it for small characters though.Electric Monk (RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32)2010-12-03T12:02:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Alternate familiarsAmbrushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lk21?Alternate-familiars#52010-12-03T11:51:13Z2010-12-03T11:51:13Z<p>In 3.5 there were the variant character class options presented in Unearthed Arcana,
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one of which allowed a wizard or sorcerer to swap their familiar for a druid's animal companion.</p>
<p>From the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#sorcererWizard" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">D20 SRD</a>:</p>
<p><b>Sorcerer/Wizard</b></p>
<p>A sorcerer or wizard might desire a more durable companion to accompany him on excursions into the wilderness.</p>
<p><b>Gain:</b>
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Animal companion[/b] (as druid; treat sorcerer or wizard as a druid of half his class level).</p>
<p><b>Lose:</b>
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Familiar.</p>In 3.5 there were the variant character class options presented in Unearthed Arcana,
one of which allowed a wizard or sorcerer to swap their familiar for a druid's animal companion.
From the D20 SRD:
Sorcerer/Wizard
A sorcerer or wizard might desire a more durable companion to accompany him on excursions into the wilderness.
Gain:
Animal companion[/b] (as druid; treat sorcerer or wizard as a druid of half his class level).
Lose:
Familiar.Ambrus2010-12-03T11:51:13ZRe: Forums: Advice: Alternate familiarsMaxxxhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lk21?Alternate-familiars#42010-12-03T11:50:38Z2010-12-03T11:50:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Electric Monk wrote:</div><blockquote> Well Quasit and Leopard are both CR2 so i'd go with 7th level. However, for myself, i wouldn't allow a Medium creature as a familier even with the feat. I'd try to stear the player towards an alternative like an arctic fox or similar. </blockquote><p>I think level 7 looks good. I wouldn't worry about a medium creature as a familiar. A small character can gain a small sized familiar with improved familiar, thus it should be no problem for a medium character to gain a medium sized familiar.Electric Monk wrote:Well Quasit and Leopard are both CR2 so i'd go with 7th level. However, for myself, i wouldn't allow a Medium creature as a familier even with the feat. I'd try to stear the player towards an alternative like an arctic fox or similar.
I think level 7 looks good. I wouldn't worry about a medium creature as a familiar. A small character can gain a small sized familiar with improved familiar, thus it should be no problem for a medium character to gain a medium sized familiar.Maxxx2010-12-03T11:50:38ZRe: Forums: Advice: Alternate familiarsBlavehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lk21?Alternate-familiars#32010-12-03T11:45:24Z2010-12-03T11:45:24Z<p>I'd just apply the young template at level 1 with the option to remove it by taking improved familiar at level 5+. Might be slightly stronger than other familiar at low levels but since you shouldn't send your spellbook into combat, I don't see much of a problem with that. A leopard is still weaker than say a mephit.</p>I'd just apply the young template at level 1 with the option to remove it by taking improved familiar at level 5+. Might be slightly stronger than other familiar at low levels but since you shouldn't send your spellbook into combat, I don't see much of a problem with that. A leopard is still weaker than say a mephit.Blave2010-12-03T11:45:24ZRe: Forums: Advice: Alternate familiarsElectric Monk (RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lk21?Alternate-familiars#22012-11-15T23:00:07Z2010-12-03T11:41:02Z<p>Well Quasit and Leopard are both CR2 so i'd go with 7th level. However, for myself, i wouldn't allow a Medium creature as a familier even with the feat. I'd try to stear the player towards an alternative like an arctic fox or similar.</p>Well Quasit and Leopard are both CR2 so i'd go with 7th level. However, for myself, i wouldn't allow a Medium creature as a familier even with the feat. I'd try to stear the player towards an alternative like an arctic fox or similar.Electric Monk (RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32)2010-12-03T11:41:02ZForums: Advice: Alternate familiarsbuzzbyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lk21?Alternate-familiars#12012-11-15T23:00:07Z2010-12-03T11:27:11Z<p>Hi all.</p>
<p>One of my players is looking for a snow leopard familiar for her witch. Before I wave my mighty hands and make it so I'm keen to find a way to do it within the rules without multiclassing.</p>
<p>Improved familiar seems an obvious choice, but I'm unsure at what level a leopard might become available. Are there alternatives?</p>Hi all.
One of my players is looking for a snow leopard familiar for her witch. Before I wave my mighty hands and make it so I'm keen to find a way to do it within the rules without multiclassing.
Improved familiar seems an obvious choice, but I'm unsure at what level a leopard might become available. Are there alternatives?buzzby2010-12-03T11:27:11Z