Bardic Performance and Spell Casting


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While the rules for Bardic Performance specify "A bardic performance cannot be disrupted, but it ends immediately if the bard is killed, paralyzed, stunned, knocked unconscious, or otherwise prevented from taking a free action to maintain it each round." I'm curious if he's also able to cast a spell while singing that requires a verbal spell component. Would the verbal component to casting a spell disrupt the BP if he's singing?

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Duniagdra DaaMyour wrote:
While the rules for Bardic Performance specify "A bardic performance cannot be disrupted, but it ends immediately if the bard is killed, paralyzed, stunned, knocked unconscious, or otherwise prevented from taking a free action to maintain it each round." I'm curious if he's also able to cast a spell while singing that requires a verbal spell component. Would the verbal component to casting a spell disrupt the BP if he's singing?

I cannot answer whether or not a bard can cast while performing, but I can point out that bard spells always include a verbal component, even when the spell description doesn't otherwise include it. Hence, a bard's spells can never be silenced. (Only mention it because you specified spells that require a verbal component)


Maintaining a bardic performance is a free action, and does not interfere with other activities (such as spell casting, moving, attacking, etc.).


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First, bardic performance could use one of any large number of performs (including dancing or pantomime etc etc.)

To explain the bard singing through casting a spell, the bard is just such a badass musician he can compose the verbal components of the spell into the song (or uses the song as the verbal component for his spell, either or.)


kyrt-ryder wrote:
To explain the bard singing through casting a spell, the bard is just such a badass musician he can compose the verbal components of the spell into the song (or uses the song as the verbal component for his spell, either or.)

Although I didn't think a Bard could sing to Inspire Courage AND Cast a spell, that explanation makes me change my mind!

Excellent explanation!

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drayen wrote:
I cannot answer whether or not a bard can cast while performing, but I can point out that bard spells always include a verbal component, even when the spell description doesn't otherwise include it. Hence, a bard's spells can never be silenced. (Only mention it because you specified spells that require a verbal component)

I never actually checked to know this, but okay, thanks for pointing this out.

Sniggevert wrote:
Maintaining a bardic performance is a free action, and does not interfere with other activities (such as spell casting, moving, attacking, etc.).

Being a free action is irrelevant to what I'm asking.

kyrt-ryder wrote:
First, bardic performance could use one of any large number of performs (including dancing or pantomime etc etc.)

Yes I'm aware of this, but I'm asking about a bard who only sings, which is why my OP mentions singing.

kyrt-ryder wrote:
To explain the bard singing through casting a spell, the bard is just such a badass musician he can compose the verbal components of the spell into the song (or uses the song as the verbal component for his spell, either or.)

I wanna know if both Inspire Courage through Perform (sing) and casting Glitterdust can be done at the same time. Sure, anyone can say that he might find a way to turn a verbal component of a spell into song, but a spell is not inspirational.

My question is can a Bard cast a spell while still Inspiring Courage? Being a free action is not relevant to this question unless I'm given the rules that support the free action being relevant.


Yes. As long as the bard is free to maintain the performance with a free action, he can take any other action during the round, including spellcasting.


Considering that the description for Bardic Performance includes all manner of caveats about what can cause a performance to end, and even goes into detail about the necessities of performances with an audible component, I would assume that if casting a spell could disrupt the performance, it would be specifically noted in the large body of text. The absence of any such stipulation, especially as the ability belongs to a class that also has spellcasting, indicates to me that bards can, in fact, cast spells at their leisure while humming a jaunty tune.

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Casting a spell does not disrupt a bardic performance.


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The following statement is taken straight from the PRD:

"A bardic performance cannot be disrupted, but it ends immediately if the bard is killed, paralyzed, stunned, knocked unconscious, or otherwise prevented from taking a free action to maintain it each round."

If the bard is not killed, paralyzed, stunned, knocked unconscious, or otherwise prevented from taking a free action then the bardic performance is not disrupted.

During a round, a character can take a standard action, a move action, a swift action, and as many free actions as their GM will allow. This is paraphrased from the combat chapter describing the actions in a round. Therefore, you can cast a spell as a standard action (or attack), move, cast a quickened spell as a swift action, and still take a free action to maintain a performance. So no, the fact that it is a free action is not irrelevant, it is fairly relevant in telling you what other types of actions you can take during a round when you do the free action.

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As I said, just being a free action is irrelevant to this topic.

However, being that all are in agreement that a bard, specialized in such tactics, can "sing" and Inspire at the same time, I thank you all for the feedback. I'll bring this to my game and allow my player his action to cast and sing.

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