Fromper |
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Your Worst
It's almost like Durkon failed a will save. But I think Rich is setting him up for something heroic.
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I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day, just as I'm not who I am on my best. I'm both of those days, and all of them in between, and all of them outside that range as well. Maybe that's what he'll go for - "If you're me on my worst day, then you can be me on my best as well."
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I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day, just as I'm not who I am on my best. I'm both of those days, and all of them in between, and all of them outside that range as well. Maybe that's what he'll go for - "If you're me on my worst day, then you can be me on my best as well."
Yeah, but Durkula is trying convince Durkon that Durkon actually wanted this on some level. If he's trying to manipulate Durkon instead of just explaining things to him, Durkula might not be entirely on the up and up. There's more than one logical fallacy in Durkula's statement, such as the fact that it doesn't account for Durkon's evolution since he made those statements years ago while the emotional wound was still raw.
Also... is Durkon grave robbing for his armor in the first panel of the 2nd page that was published today?
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Also... is Durkon grave robbing for his armor in the first panel of the 2nd page that was published today?
I think he's clearing a space in the snow so he can have his fire. The armor is set aside because it would be awkward during the physical exertion.
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Misroi wrote:I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day, just as I'm not who I am on my best. I'm both of those days, and all of them in between, and all of them outside that range as well. Maybe that's what he'll go for - "If you're me on my worst day, then you can be me on my best as well."Yeah, but Durkula is trying convince Durkon that Durkon actually wanted this on some level. If he's trying to manipulate Durkon instead of just explaining things to him, Durkula might not be entirely on the up and up. There's more than one logical fallacy in Durkula's statement, such as the fact that it doesn't account for Durkon's evolution since he made those statements years ago while the emotional wound was still raw.
I believe it's both. I do think Durkula believes what he's saying.
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Ok. Ok.
Getting tiny bit serious.
I feel like its now time for the cavalry, homicidal Halflings, or at least Bardic wrong timed humor to come shining through.
Well, assuming Durkula wins, the demigod tiebreaker may not go the way Hel assumes... I doubt she accounted for Banjo.
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Misroi wrote:I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day, just as I'm not who I am on my best. I'm both of those days, and all of them in between, and all of them outside that range as well. Maybe that's what he'll go for - "If you're me on my worst day, then you can be me on my best as well."Yeah, but Durkula is trying convince Durkon that Durkon actually wanted this on some level. If he's trying to manipulate Durkon instead of just explaining things to him, Durkula might not be entirely on the up and up. There's more than one logical fallacy in Durkula's statement, such as the fact that it doesn't account for Durkon's evolution since he made those statements years ago while the emotional wound was still raw.
Maybe Durkula is actually encouraging oneself to follow the course of action that will result in destruction of the world?
"... but for that one moment? You felt exactly what I feel."
Trying to convince oneself that the world is miserable place and not worth saving?
Or maybe, judging from the statement at the bottom left picture about "other vampire-spirit" he is just gloating to Durkon and trying to torment him for own amusement?
But there is strong vibe that he might be trying to strength Durkon's grief, self-doubt, and self-loathing with some purpose in his mind.
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Andostre wrote:I believe it's both. I do think Durkula believes what he's saying.Misroi wrote:I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day, just as I'm not who I am on my best. I'm both of those days, and all of them in between, and all of them outside that range as well. Maybe that's what he'll go for - "If you're me on my worst day, then you can be me on my best as well."Yeah, but Durkula is trying convince Durkon that Durkon actually wanted this on some level. If he's trying to manipulate Durkon instead of just explaining things to him, Durkula might not be entirely on the up and up. There's more than one logical fallacy in Durkula's statement, such as the fact that it doesn't account for Durkon's evolution since he made those statements years ago while the emotional wound was still raw.
It might be a continuation of the implied notion that he does not actually understand Durkon or mortals in general. Will this be his final downfall?
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My theory: Roy will die in this fight. It's just where things are headed here, and there are enough clerics about to mitigate the problem later.
Crazy secondary theory: Belkar will get undeadified, flee, end up slaughtering Durkon's home village. Prophecy fulfilled.
Unrelated theory: Belkar will save the day by slaughtering all the demigod priests, then get killed. For obvious reasons, the clerics will not raise him, nor will they allow him to be raised (not all those priests are necessarily bad people—they just have gods with bad plans).
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Believe it or not, I know he already died. Him dying again would be a short-term misdirect—again, since there are clerics everywhere, it would be a very different type of plot point from his previous death. And considering Order of the Stick always has a hint of comedy even at its grimmest, I don't think we can rule it out.
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I hadn't considered the possibility that Belkar might be the one killing delaying the demigod priests. I assumed it would be the guy Durkula vamped up earlier, to make sure only those who would support Hel's agenda would be left.
But what if it is Belkar, and the one demigod priest who comes in to settle the tie is Elan, high priest of Banjo? Or possibly the orc priest from the tribe that he converted to worshiping the puppet pantheon.
This whole huge fight, and Roy could lose (probably without dying), but the Order still saves the world!
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I hadn't considered the possibility that Belkar might be the one
killingdelaying the demigod priests. I assumed it would be the guy Durkula vamped up earlier, to make sure only those who would support Hel's agenda would be left.But what if it is Belkar, and the one demigod priest who comes in to settle the tie is Elan, high priest of Banjo? Or possibly the orc priest from the tribe that he converted to worshiping the puppet pantheon.
This whole huge fight, and Roy could lose (probably without dying), but the Order still saves the world!
People are forgetting that the High Priest of the Dark One is also in play.
Where is Xykon, b.t.w.?
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I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day, just as I'm not who I am on my best. I'm both of those days, and all of them in between, and all of them outside that range as well. Maybe that's what he'll go for - "If you're me on my worst day, then you can be me on my best as well."
A comforting lie to numb the pain.
Imagine that you were actually stuck with being who you are on your worst day. It is actually a terrifying thought. It is very easy to see why Durkula is Evil then.
And imagining being always who you were on your best day is wonderful (and easy recruitment for Good I would think).
Except that I have the feeling that Good tends to favor free will and the ability to evolve.
That might be Durkon's edge over Durkula : Durkon can change and learn and evolve. Durkula cannot and is already dead.
Passcode : "Evolve or die" !
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Also, is there a wiki page or something that describes all the various characters and their basic stats? Just curious.
There's a good wiki page Here. Mostly info; not a lot on stats I think.
137ben |
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If you want stats, there's a thread where we argue about the stats, and has the current up-to-date statblocks in the first few posts.
Bob_Loblaw |
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If you want stats, there's a thread where we argue about the stats, and has the current up-to-date statblocks in the first few posts.
That's a dedicated group of people! I wonder how often Burlow references their work and how close it is to his own.
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IIRC he once said he occasionally checks it to remember what spells he gave a character, but ignores it otherwise. I can't remember where he said it, though, I'd have to dig through the index to find it. He doesn't even think about the rules very much anymore, so it doesn't really matter to the story.
EDIT: I found it.
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This isn't directly related to the latest installment, and maybe it's been discussed already, but how does HPoH manage to keep Durkon's soul bound? AFAICT, the deal between Hel and the other Northern Pantheon deities is that a dwarf who dies the straw death is claimed by Hel, while those who die noble deaths go to the afterlife appropriate to their alignment. Durkon fell in battle against Malack, right? So how is it that Hel is able to keep his soul?
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DANG IT, BURLEW! >:I
Yea - loving the story, but I feel the same.
I found it odd at first that the Cure potion would cast Hel's Might
LOL - It does look like that in the panel. Maybe the bubble should have been moved to the right side?
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This isn't directly related to the latest installment, and maybe it's been discussed already, but how does HPoH manage to keep Durkon's soul bound? AFAICT, the deal between Hel and the other Northern Pantheon deities is that a dwarf who dies the straw death is claimed by Hel, while those who die noble deaths go to the afterlife appropriate to their alignment. Durkon fell in battle against Malack, right? So how is it that Hel is able to keep his soul?
Near as I can tell, that's just how Vampires work. Eventually Durkula will be destroyed and Durkon's soul well be freed to go on to its proper fate. For the moment, it's still tied to his animated body.