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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Extremely doubtful as there is more story to tell, but within the next nine strips we should get to the end of Hel's high (laid low) priest.

I stand by my theoretical calculations.

Funny, I think that is the first time I have actually seen Anti Life Shell cast in any game medium.


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The Raven Black wrote:

Green light is gone. Not undead-bane anymore.

I was thinking a dead Roy could get through the barrier and be returned to life once inside, but none of the representatives would dare raise him.

So, yes, undead is the best chance for the order to beat Durkula and undead Belkar would definitely fit the bill as well as fulfill his prediction.

Since Belkar is already CE, no reason that CE undead Blekar cannot fit with the rest of the OotS as long as his undead type does not force him to act against the wishes of rest of the party (ie, no vampire, ghoul ...).

Maybe a Ghost of Belkar ?

Though the Cleric of Hel could easily command an undead Belkar.

Wondering what "next phase" which benefited from Roy's demise was envisioned by Durkula. That's the thing about LE types : always plans within plans.

Constructs, Elementals, and Outsiders can pass antilife shell too. Someone could summon something perhaps...

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Drejk wrote:
Constructs, Elementals, and Outsiders can pass antilife shell too. Someone could summon something perhaps...

Haley really should have recruited Crystal


I'm not so certain it was the sword. It's definitely not vampiric either. Green burst then immediate full heal. It wasn't gradual with the swings or hits.


Maybe an undead Belkar could help out? Or am I getting my hopes up.

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Why does everyone think Belkar is dead, let alone undead? Sure, he fell down a canyon, but we haven't seen x x eyes yet. I don't think he's dead. Even if he is, how the heck does he just "become" undead without some sort of magical intervention?

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Evil people killed by violent and unusual means may spontaneously become reanimated upon death. Ghosts are the most common, but I'm guessing a revenant is more likely in this case.

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Possibly, but when Durkon was killed, he had XX eyes before he became a vampire. Link.

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The anti-life shell will keep out living melee fighters. It won't keep out ammo. That means Haley and Vaarsuvius can attack full blast, if they arrive and have an excuse to get involved in the fight without the other clerics stopping them.

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Does the godsmoot have rules in place stopping the rest of the Order in joining in?

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I think only bodyguards are allowed inside. Thus Roy and Belkar


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1012: Yellow Means Caution

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Banjo!


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"I'm a failure as a parent" :D


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Wait--we only saw 6 of them vote. Weren't there seven demigod priests?

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Well, this confirms that the rest of the Order didn't see Belkar fall and save him. I still don't think he's dead. We haven't seen the "x"s in his eyes yet.

So it's currently another tied up vote, with one more demigod left to vote, and we have a mystery vampire in the room with the Order's animal friends. I will admit to having no idea what's going on with either, although the theft of Banjo by that vamp might actually be the plan.


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Dragoncat wrote:
Wait--we only saw 6 of them vote. Weren't there seven demigod priests?

Reason why you only saw six voting so far.

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I thought it was pretty clear.


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I got it.


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Swirly eyes: *you will go have banjo vote for yes...*

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I had no clue that the vampire aboard the Mechane was the undead Gontor Hammerfell until you linked to Rich's post, 137ben. I think the strip would have been improved by showing Durkula creating his undead minion, because my default assumption was that Gontor was just dead, without the "arise my child, and seek the blood of the living!" option (probably because of the X X eyes).

I did get that the 7th vote was going to be necessary.


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The title of that comic was "Welcome to the Family". I think most people could guess that that dwarf was gonna come back.


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I rarely note the comic title. I think you have to go into the archives to read it.

But yeah, I figured that the dwarf that Durkula bit earlier would be Chekov's vampire, so I recognized him right away when he showed up in this strip, but I can hardly fault anyone for not picking up on certain details like that. I'm sure that this plot line will read great in the book, but the pacing online is pretty slow for this level of complexity. I love this comic, but I barely remember specific events that happened in it months ago in real time.

I have faith that Burlew is gong somewhere fun with all of this, though.


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Andostre wrote:
I rarely note the comic title. I think you have to go into the archives to read it.

Likewise. I didn't even know the individual strips had individual titles until someone started linking them using those names here. And that's after reading the comic for years before joining the discussions here on Paizo.


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On the main Giatitp.com page, look on the left-hand sidebar. Under the "comics" header is a link to the most recent strip, with its title included. Actually, that sidebar is there anywhere on Giatitp.com. You don't need to go to the archive to see the title of the most recent strip, it's always visible. You do, however, need to go to the archives to see the title of all but the most recent strip. That's if you are reading online, anyhow (in the actual books the strip titles are at the bottom of each strip).


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Er, correction: The title was "Welcome to the Church".

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Andostre wrote:
I have faith that Burlew is gong somewhere fun with all of this, though.

As we should. The man is a complete failure in the disappointment category.

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Any bets where this is all leading?


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My personal vote is he is going for the Teleportation Orb.

1. Drakula said he couldn't have done it without Roy's assistance.
2. Gontor is in V's room.

My only thing is, I don't know why he wants it unless his plan is to go break the gate to force the gods to end the world for Hel to get the dwarven souls.

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Teleportation Orb to be instantly back at the Godsmoot after stealing Banjo so that he can influence/blackmail the seventh demigod priest in voting Yes.

If that is indeed Banjo's priest. I do not know what Banjo's holy symbol looks like.

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The Raven Black wrote:

Teleportation Orb to be instantly back at the Godsmoot after stealing Banjo so that he can influence/blackmail the seventh demigod priest in voting Yes.

If that is indeed Banjo's priest. I do not know what Banjo's holy symbol looks like.

A Banjo.

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I just had an evil thought. Blackwing and animals vs the vampire cleric. I'm picturing Blackwing bluffing the vampire into casting Dispel Magic on the lizard. Think about it.


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I doubt Bloodfeast's head crashing through the ceiling would be considered a good thing for the order, let alone the possibility of the dinosaur's weight being too much for the airship.


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137ben wrote:
I doubt Bloodfeast's head crashing through the ceiling would be considered a good thing for the order, let alone the possibility of the dinosaur's weight being too much for the airship.

Still worth it.

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Mr Scruffy is still the most dangerous thing in the room, even with Bloodfeast.

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Nice thought but I doubt that V and thus Blackwing has that many ranks in Bluff. Also Clerics tend to have high Sense Motive.


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The Raven Black wrote:
Nice thought but I doubt that V and thus Blackwing has that many ranks in Bluff. Also Clerics tend to have high Sense Motive.

This one didn't pass his sense motive vs Durkula


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Caineach wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Nice thought but I doubt that V and thus Blackwing has that many ranks in Bluff. Also Clerics tend to have high Sense Motive.
This one didn't pass his sense motive vs Durkula

No, but now he has a +8 bonus for being a vampire.

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The Raven Black wrote:
Clerics tend to have high Sense Motive.

What PC Clerics do you have at your game table?

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Clerics tend to have high Sense Motive.
What PC Clerics do you have at your game table?

LOL. Agreed. They tend to have good wisdom, but not enough skill ranks.

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Fromper wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Clerics tend to have high Sense Motive.
What PC Clerics do you have at your game table?
LOL. Agreed. They tend to have good wisdom, but not enough skill ranks.

Particularly since this one likely has put some ranks into Knowledge (Engineering), along with the usual Knowledge (Religion) and Spellcraft.


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My experience is with Raven on this, but I'm admittedly an exceptional case, as one I almost never build a character with less than 12 INT, 14 if I can get away with it, and two our group houserules every class an extra 2 skill points per level.


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So, the voting gods - most specifically, the "one" that's remaining.

I made a post about them elsewhere, that (with a little editing) is mostly going to be copy/pasted here.

I know the GitP people probably have done a more thorough analysis... and I'd be interested in knowing how this compares!... but I've not seen it yet.

First, there's a lot more in Norse mythology than are represented here.

At first, I'd thought the Giant had also burned through the 3E list of the gods in Deities & Demigods, and more, but on seeing the whole list - Odin, Aegir, Balder, Forseti, Frey, Freya, Frigga, Heimdall, Hel, Hermod, Loki, Njord, Odur, Sif, Skadi, Surtur, Thor, Thrym, Tyr and Uller - there were more than I thought, and I was wrong.

I would have thought the blue and crown regalia would have been saved for Odin... except, of course, that's not the case.

Those who've voted in the comic so far:

Sutur, Sigrun, Bragi, Iounn, Thyrm, Hermod, Loki, Heimdall, Odin, Thor, Sif, Tyr, Balder, Freya, Freyr, Sunna, Frigg, Njord, Mani, Skadi, Hoder, Finrir, Vafthrudnir, and Hel.

First: alphabetical re-arrangement for my own sanity, plus lining them up together (where the D&D version exists)...

OotS (power; vote): D&D (power; alignment)
Balder (god; no): Balder (intermediate, NG)
Bragi (demi; no): <none>
Finrir (god; yes): <none> {though, in FR there was a similarly-purposed stat'd critter who was CE}
Freya (god; no): Freya (intermediate; NG)
Freyr (god; no): Frey (greater; NG) {though his portfolio was rather different}
Frigg (god; no): Frigga (greater; N)
Heimdall (god; yes): Heimdall (intermediate; LG)
Hel (god; yes): Hel (intermediate; NE)
Hermod (demi; no): Hermod (demi; CN)
Hoder (god; yes): <none> {though his portfolio was partially given to Uller}
Iounn (demi; no): <none> [though she was an unaligned greater power of arcane stuff in 4E]
Loki (god; no): Loki (greater; CE)
Mani (god; no): <none>
Njord (god; yes): Njord (intermediate; NG)
Odin (god/leader; no): Odin (greater; NG)
Sif (god; no): Sif (lesser; CG) {though she was given Skadi's D&D portfolio}
Sigrun (demi; yes): {Valkyries} (quasi; LG)
Skadi (god; yes): Skadi (lesser; N) {though her D&D portfolio was given to Sif, and she had Uller's}
Sunna (god; yes): <none> {though Odur, who may have been Odin, has part of her portfolio}
Sutur (demi; yes): Sutur (intermediate; LE)
Thor (god; no): Thor (greater; CG)
Thyrm (demi; yes): Thyrm (intermediate; LE)
Tyr (god; yes): Tyr (intermediate; LN) {though in FR, he was LG}
Vafthrudnir (god; yes): <none>

... of the D&D gods, that leaves Aegir, Forseti, and Uller.

Of those names:
- Aegir is not on the wikipedia list and Njord already has his portfolio;
- Uller is not on the list, and 2/3 of his D&D portfolio are divvied up among other gods who are;
- Foresti is the only one on the list, his D&D portfolio has not been claimed, and as chairman/arbiter/peacemaker and deliver of justice...

... I'd say he's a pretty solid candidate, and his clerical imagery at least makes some amount of sense.

Obviously, the Giant isn't going by D&D's version of the Norse Pantheon, but he seems to be taking loose inspiration from it and real-world mythology both, so...

That said, Gersemi, Hnoss might work (as both are "valuable" or "treasure" or things), as might Rindr.

Blarg, the guessing!

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I "liked" Tacticslion post even before reading it because I like lists with gods.

Now I like it even more.

:)

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Minor nitpick:

Tacticslion wrote:


Iounn (demi; no): <none> [though she was an unaligned greater power of arcane stuff in 4E]

The demigoddess of youth in OotS was Iðunn, not Ioun--the eth character ð wasn't clear in the strip. In the d'Aulaires' Norse mythology book, they rendered the name of the goddess as Idunn.


Tacticslion wrote:


Iounn (demi; no): <none> [though she was an unaligned greater power of arcane stuff in 4E]
John Woodford wrote:

Minor nitpick:

The demigoddess of youth in OotS was Iðunn, not Ioun--the eth character ð wasn't clear in the strip. In the d'Aulaire's Norse mythology book, they rendered the name of the goddess as Idunn.

Ah. Oops!

In FR "Ioun" was a male human wizard from Netheril. He died*.
In 4E "Ioun" was a female god of arcane lore.
(Both seemed to be extant to explain the presence of ioun stones which originate from Jack Vance, but... I don't know enough about his stuff's history to comment; actually, a quick search seems like maybe there is none in his.)

Given that Hermod was "Hermod" instead of "Hermóðr" and Hoder was "Hoder" instead of "Höðr" I just figured it was another Anglicization of the same name - especially since D&D plays kind of "fast and loose" with deities of mythology in the first place (as the Giant has shown off with "his" variant of Hel - in some ways similar to the Deities and Demigods version, but less so to the mythological one) - and I guessed that said goddess was D&D's way of putting "Ioun" back closer to her original mythological roots.

Thanks for the clarification, though! I didn't realize that! :D

*:
Sort of. Spoiler below.

Really, he survived the destruction of Netheril by taking over the body (and powers) of an elder brain... and then becoming an the elder brain lich; kickstarting the "illithilich" tradition in that setting.

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Actually, now that I zoom in on the strip, it is spelled "Iounn." I think Rich just got it wrong. *gasp*


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The Netherese archwizard was named Ioulaum, the first to create an enclave. In second edition AD&D lore, the only mention I know of beyound the Ioun stones is that the plane of minerals has a swathe of land that is called Ioun something, the area closest to the positive energy plane. This is from The Inner Planes for Planescape.

Edit: Apparently, there was a Ioun guy too, but the one in the spoiler is definitely Ioulaum.


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Congenio Ioun was a talented wizard who created his first item: congenio pebble at the young age of 33 years. He created approximately thirty of them. Later he renamed them ioun stones. When he was 955 he "passed away to the realms of Gods". In case of powerful arcanist it is rather vague and uncertain statement.

Ioulaum was born almost two centuries years later and was creator of the first mythallar and lived for about three thousands years before vanishing from Netheril.


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John Woodford wrote:
I think Rich just got it wrong. *gasp*
Sissyl wrote:
Edit: Apparently, there was a Ioun guy too, but the one in the spoiler is definitely Ioulaum.

Dang it, I got it wrong, too! And I'm supposed to be obsessed with this kind of stuff!

*mutters about stupid dyslexia and mixing and blending even remotely similar things into things that make more sense for him^*

^ Ugh, don't get me started on the two Wulgreths... :(

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