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Well done. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.

Silver Crusade

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Your Worst

It's almost like Durkon failed a will save. But I think Rich is setting him up for something heroic.


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I have to say, the portrayal of the "vampire spirit" is the most elegant and interesting depiction of the auto-alignment-shift caused by becoming undead that I've seen.

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I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day, just as I'm not who I am on my best. I'm both of those days, and all of them in between, and all of them outside that range as well. Maybe that's what he'll go for - "If you're me on my worst day, then you can be me on my best as well."


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So... Durkula is essentially Durkon's Shadow?

Dark Archive

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Ok. Ok.

Getting tiny bit serious.

I feel like its now time for the cavalry, homicidal Halflings, or at least Bardic wrong timed humor to come shining through.

Dark Archive

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Misroi wrote:
I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day

Somehow Misroi, who uses Asmodeus as an avatar, expecting an evil vampire spirit of Hel to play fair, seems amusing.

;)


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Misroi wrote:
I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day, just as I'm not who I am on my best. I'm both of those days, and all of them in between, and all of them outside that range as well. Maybe that's what he'll go for - "If you're me on my worst day, then you can be me on my best as well."

Yeah, but Durkula is trying convince Durkon that Durkon actually wanted this on some level. If he's trying to manipulate Durkon instead of just explaining things to him, Durkula might not be entirely on the up and up. There's more than one logical fallacy in Durkula's statement, such as the fact that it doesn't account for Durkon's evolution since he made those statements years ago while the emotional wound was still raw.

Also... is Durkon grave robbing for his armor in the first panel of the 2nd page that was published today?


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No, from what i recall in origin of PCs they threw it out after him


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Andostre wrote:


Also... is Durkon grave robbing for his armor in the first panel of the 2nd page that was published today?

I think he's clearing a space in the snow so he can have his fire. The armor is set aside because it would be awkward during the physical exertion.


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Andostre wrote:
Misroi wrote:
I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day, just as I'm not who I am on my best. I'm both of those days, and all of them in between, and all of them outside that range as well. Maybe that's what he'll go for - "If you're me on my worst day, then you can be me on my best as well."
Yeah, but Durkula is trying convince Durkon that Durkon actually wanted this on some level. If he's trying to manipulate Durkon instead of just explaining things to him, Durkula might not be entirely on the up and up. There's more than one logical fallacy in Durkula's statement, such as the fact that it doesn't account for Durkon's evolution since he made those statements years ago while the emotional wound was still raw.

I believe it's both. I do think Durkula believes what he's saying.

Scarab Sages

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:

Ok. Ok.

Getting tiny bit serious.

I feel like its now time for the cavalry, homicidal Halflings, or at least Bardic wrong timed humor to come shining through.

Well, assuming Durkula wins, the demigod tiebreaker may not go the way Hel assumes... I doubt she accounted for Banjo.


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Andostre wrote:
Misroi wrote:
I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day, just as I'm not who I am on my best. I'm both of those days, and all of them in between, and all of them outside that range as well. Maybe that's what he'll go for - "If you're me on my worst day, then you can be me on my best as well."
Yeah, but Durkula is trying convince Durkon that Durkon actually wanted this on some level. If he's trying to manipulate Durkon instead of just explaining things to him, Durkula might not be entirely on the up and up. There's more than one logical fallacy in Durkula's statement, such as the fact that it doesn't account for Durkon's evolution since he made those statements years ago while the emotional wound was still raw.

Maybe Durkula is actually encouraging oneself to follow the course of action that will result in destruction of the world?

"... but for that one moment? You felt exactly what I feel."

Trying to convince oneself that the world is miserable place and not worth saving?

Or maybe, judging from the statement at the bottom left picture about "other vampire-spirit" he is just gloating to Durkon and trying to torment him for own amusement?

But there is strong vibe that he might be trying to strength Durkon's grief, self-doubt, and self-loathing with some purpose in his mind.


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Andostre wrote:
Misroi wrote:
I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day, just as I'm not who I am on my best. I'm both of those days, and all of them in between, and all of them outside that range as well. Maybe that's what he'll go for - "If you're me on my worst day, then you can be me on my best as well."
Yeah, but Durkula is trying convince Durkon that Durkon actually wanted this on some level. If he's trying to manipulate Durkon instead of just explaining things to him, Durkula might not be entirely on the up and up. There's more than one logical fallacy in Durkula's statement, such as the fact that it doesn't account for Durkon's evolution since he made those statements years ago while the emotional wound was still raw.
I believe it's both. I do think Durkula believes what he's saying.

It might be a continuation of the implied notion that he does not actually understand Durkon or mortals in general. Will this be his final downfall?

Liberty's Edge

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Durkula cannot understand what being Good and caring means. It is just not in its nature


My theory: Roy will die in this fight. It's just where things are headed here, and there are enough clerics about to mitigate the problem later.

Crazy secondary theory: Belkar will get undeadified, flee, end up slaughtering Durkon's home village. Prophecy fulfilled.

Unrelated theory: Belkar will save the day by slaughtering all the demigod priests, then get killed. For obvious reasons, the clerics will not raise him, nor will they allow him to be raised (not all those priests are necessarily bad people—they just have gods with bad plans).

Dark Archive

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Roy already died, so revisiting that right now seems a bit trying.

I'm not saying he may not die again somewhere near the culmination of the series, but as the Dancing Masters tell their Northern Noble wards to say to Death,

"Not today."


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Believe it or not, I know he already died. Him dying again would be a short-term misdirect—again, since there are clerics everywhere, it would be a very different type of plot point from his previous death. And considering Order of the Stick always has a hint of comedy even at its grimmest, I don't think we can rule it out.

Silver Crusade

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I hadn't considered the possibility that Belkar might be the one killing delaying the demigod priests. I assumed it would be the guy Durkula vamped up earlier, to make sure only those who would support Hel's agenda would be left.

But what if it is Belkar, and the one demigod priest who comes in to settle the tie is Elan, high priest of Banjo? Or possibly the orc priest from the tribe that he converted to worshiping the puppet pantheon.

This whole huge fight, and Roy could lose (probably without dying), but the Order still saves the world!

Sovereign Court

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Maybe it's the end of OotS?


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As least this strip proves once and for all martial classes can't stand up against a full caster.

I kid, I kid, I kid.

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Fromper wrote:

I hadn't considered the possibility that Belkar might be the one killing delaying the demigod priests. I assumed it would be the guy Durkula vamped up earlier, to make sure only those who would support Hel's agenda would be left.

But what if it is Belkar, and the one demigod priest who comes in to settle the tie is Elan, high priest of Banjo? Or possibly the orc priest from the tribe that he converted to worshiping the puppet pantheon.

This whole huge fight, and Roy could lose (probably without dying), but the Order still saves the world!

People are forgetting that the High Priest of the Dark One is also in play.

Where is Xykon, b.t.w.?


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Keep in mind that this moot is for the Northern Pantheon, only. The Dark One isn't part of the Northern Pantheon, and I don't think Banjo is, either.


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Banjo definitely isn't. He never wanted to be in their dumb pantheon, anyways!

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Andostre wrote:
Keep in mind that this moot is for the Northern Pantheon, only. The Dark One isn't part of the Northern Pantheon, and I don't think Banjo is, either.

Odin was ready to welcome him.


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Yeah, it's a pity Banjo changed his mind.

Liberty's Edge

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Misroi wrote:
I kinda disagree with Durkula - I'm not just who I am on my worst day, just as I'm not who I am on my best. I'm both of those days, and all of them in between, and all of them outside that range as well. Maybe that's what he'll go for - "If you're me on my worst day, then you can be me on my best as well."

A comforting lie to numb the pain.

Imagine that you were actually stuck with being who you are on your worst day. It is actually a terrifying thought. It is very easy to see why Durkula is Evil then.

And imagining being always who you were on your best day is wonderful (and easy recruitment for Good I would think).

Except that I have the feeling that Good tends to favor free will and the ability to evolve.

That might be Durkon's edge over Durkula : Durkon can change and learn and evolve. Durkula cannot and is already dead.

Passcode : "Evolve or die" !


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Le Cacahuète Galerie wrote:

As least this strip proves once and for all martial classes can't stand up against a full caster.

I kid, I kid, I kid.

Really? I think this actually proves that a martial would have trouble fighting a vampire, full caster or no full caster.


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Hmmm...if Order of the Stick ever switched to Pathfinder rules, I wonder if Belkar would undergo class retraining to become a Slayer instead of a Ranger?


Also, is there a wiki page or something that describes all the various characters and their basic stats? Just curious.


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Berselius wrote:
Also, is there a wiki page or something that describes all the various characters and their basic stats? Just curious.

There's a good wiki page Here. Mostly info; not a lot on stats I think.


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The characters deliberately do not have stats, because they might get in the way of plot and or humor.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
The characters deliberately do not have stats, because they might get in the way of plot and or humor.

As they always do ; -)

Dark Archive

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The Raven Black wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
The characters deliberately do not have stats, because they might get in the way of humor.
As they always do ; -)

Hmm when I roll my stats it's normally humorous to everybody at the table.


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If you want stats, there's a thread where we argue about the stats, and has the current up-to-date statblocks in the first few posts.


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137ben wrote:
If you want stats, there's a thread where we argue about the stats, and has the current up-to-date statblocks in the first few posts.

That's a dedicated group of people! I wonder how often Burlow references their work and how close it is to his own.


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IIRC he once said he occasionally checks it to remember what spells he gave a character, but ignores it otherwise. I can't remember where he said it, though, I'd have to dig through the index to find it. He doesn't even think about the rules very much anymore, so it doesn't really matter to the story.

EDIT: I found it.


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1008: Not to Scale


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DANG IT, BURLEW! >:I

Spoiler:
... the constant cliffhanger(s) are killin' me.


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After perusing the thread that 137ben linked above, all I can think about after that comic is the number of people scrambling to catalog and discuss how Durkula's spell list has changed and how it's the same.


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Perfect intervention by Wrecan there. XD

Liberty's Edge

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I found it odd at first that the Cure potion would cast Hel's Might

Liberty's Edge

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This isn't directly related to the latest installment, and maybe it's been discussed already, but how does HPoH manage to keep Durkon's soul bound? AFAICT, the deal between Hel and the other Northern Pantheon deities is that a dwarf who dies the straw death is claimed by Hel, while those who die noble deaths go to the afterlife appropriate to their alignment. Durkon fell in battle against Malack, right? So how is it that Hel is able to keep his soul?


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Tacticslion wrote:
DANG IT, BURLEW! >:I

Yea - loving the story, but I feel the same.

The Raven Black wrote:
I found it odd at first that the Cure potion would cast Hel's Might

LOL - It does look like that in the panel. Maybe the bubble should have been moved to the right side?


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John Woodford wrote:
This isn't directly related to the latest installment, and maybe it's been discussed already, but how does HPoH manage to keep Durkon's soul bound? AFAICT, the deal between Hel and the other Northern Pantheon deities is that a dwarf who dies the straw death is claimed by Hel, while those who die noble deaths go to the afterlife appropriate to their alignment. Durkon fell in battle against Malack, right? So how is it that Hel is able to keep his soul?

Near as I can tell, that's just how Vampires work. Eventually Durkula will be destroyed and Durkon's soul well be freed to go on to its proper fate. For the moment, it's still tied to his animated body.

Sovereign Court

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Is Roy going to do a Rocky here: just keep on surviving until Durkula has run out of spells and is 'just' a vampire?


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GeraintElberion wrote:
Is Roy going to do a Rocky here: just keep on surviving until Durkula has run out of spells and is 'just' a vampire?

You mean o chul him to death?

Dark Archive

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Oooooh ... he did not just go there!

Liberty's Edge

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Spoiler:
Greatsword crit with undead bane?
Not bad, not bad at all. And HPoH just had to go for that last little twist of the knife, didn't he?

Scarab Sages

Roy FINALLY gets it. For a guy with an 18 intelligence, he can be really dumb sometimes....

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