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John Woodford wrote:
The black raven wrote:
NEW ONE
Dun dun DUN!

Poor Belkar will miss the grand reveal and won't be able to tell Roy "I told you so!"

Liberty's Edge

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Now just might be the perfect moment for Belkar to come back by some outlandish means and

Spoiler:
destroy Durkula once and for all. The end result likely being incineration by the combined power of the Godsmoot as punishment for saving the world.


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The black raven wrote:
Now just might be the perfect moment for Belkar to come back by some outlandish means and ** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
Unless Roy kills him first for killing "Durkon"...

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he votes to bring it to a tie, and suddenly there is mass chaos, beginning to fulfill the prophesy.


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Poor fenrir. You chain a wolf to a rock till the end of the world... and he wants to end the world.


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At last I have been vindicated! I predicted that the other pantheons were having their meetings at the same time. And I was right.

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Awesome!


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GUESS WHO CAUGHT UP ON ORDER OF THE STICK TODAY

YEP IT WAS ME

Excuse me while I recover from this emotions whiplash, I only read through what happened to Durkon this morning


By the way, I refuse to believe that is actually Hel, but rather an evil figure that disguised herself as Hel and took her place.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

GUESS WHO CAUGHT UP ON ORDER OF THE STICK TODAY

YEP IT WAS ME

Excuse me while I recover from this emotions whiplash, I only read through what happened to Durkon this morning

Excuse you? NO! My boundless magical proficiency is not a taxi, to be left idle!


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But for real, congratulations on getting caught up.


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Spliced Elf wrote:
Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

GUESS WHO CAUGHT UP ON ORDER OF THE STICK TODAY

YEP IT WAS ME

Excuse me while I recover from this emotions whiplash, I only read through what happened to Durkon this morning

Excuse you? NO! My boundless magical proficiency is not a taxi, to be left idle!

Oh, take your time. The meter's running.


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Spliced Elf wrote:
Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

GUESS WHO CAUGHT UP ON ORDER OF THE STICK TODAY

YEP IT WAS ME

Excuse me while I recover from this emotions whiplash, I only read through what happened to Durkon this morning

Excuse you? NO! My boundless magical proficiency is not a taxi, to be left idle!

That wrecked me pretty bad, but honestly Durkon's death and the party reaction wrecked me even more.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
That wrecked me pretty bad, but honestly Durkon's death and the party reaction wrecked me even more.

That's ummm....that's a long way to catch-up. Like whole other book has been printed back. Anyhow, congrats and sorry to hear you had to binge emotion it all.


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Alex Martin wrote:
Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
That wrecked me pretty bad, but honestly Durkon's death and the party reaction wrecked me even more.
That's ummm....that's a long way to catch-up. Like whole other book has been printed back. Anyhow, congrats and sorry to hear you had to binge emotion it all.

Yeah I powered through huge chunks of the comic at once

Part of it was that i was hyperfocusing on the comic (ADHD) and I figured by finishing it I could get the hyperfocus out of the way, part of it was I had a bet with myself that I would catch up before comic 1000 was published.

Which I succeeded. Anyway thanks, order of the stick is great, and it inspired me to try again at storyboarding my own comic.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

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So I guess Roy's going to know Durkula isn't worshipping Thor anymore...

Dark Archive

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John Woodford wrote:
The black raven wrote:
NEW ONE
Dun dun DUN!

Actually, it's taupe.


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Maria Kvilhaug wrote:

Winter was a time of slumbering, death-like stillness, darkness and coldness – all attributes associated with death, Hel and the Underworld. It is also a time of Night. From Norse mythology, we know that the darkness of Night was personified – as a mysterious giantess who mated with Odin at the dawn of time and became the mother of our own ancestral mother, the Earth goddess. She is also the mother of Dagr – “Day “- who represents the time when the Sun goddess shines, and who himself, his sons, alongside Night, her sisters and all the heavenly bodies, are the counters of Time.

In one Edda poem (Hymiskvida), Earths mother is called Amma – “Grandmother”- and she is a terrifying sight, having nine hundred heads. Yet from her darkness emerged the bright-browed Mother, the Earth, who carried the horn of plenty to her first child Thor, who ultimately represents humankind and all the children of Earth.

[...]

It is important to note that the powers of Darkness (Night, Hel, Winter) are not “evil”, albeit dangerous, they are in fact the powers that birth the powers of light and life (Day, Earth, Sun), as represented by Grandmother Night. It is likely that powers associated with darkness and death were celebrated in some way or other, if for nothing else so as to placate them in the hope that they will not bring about as much destruction as they could if displeased. The theme of placating the powers of darkness is an important aspect of folklore survivals from heathenry into modern times.

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We are also seeing that rather than dividing the world into “good and evil”, our heathen ancestors saw a world full of powers that may or may not be benevolent according to a given situation, according to a particular perspective, and according to how they are met and treated. Offerings and sacrifice, what we would easily call “worship”, was not always worship but rather a way of placating powers that are potentially malevolent and dangerous. If successful, the dark forces may prove benevolent and helpful.

The Old Norse Yule Celebration – Myth and Ritual

Serendiptously encountered this while reading on Yule, this happens to express why I'm not exactly impressed with OotS's portrayal of Hel and look forward to a turning of these tables.


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Yea, the Giant's never really cared much for following mythological precedent. He's pretty knowledgeable about folklore, but he largely ignores it.
I mean, really, he drew a vampire turning to dust just because of sunlight. It's a strong signal, clear as daylight, that he doesn't really try to stick to mythologicaly accurate depictions. It sort of makes me glad that my favorite pantheon, the Greco-Roman gods, aren't depicted for more than a couple of scenes, since I don't have to see a bunch of 'mistakes' in their myths.

Of course, OOTS isn't trying to be a mythology compendium, so he can do whatever he wants. After all, there are no mistakes, because there are no rules.


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137ben wrote:

a vampire turning to dust just because of sunlight. It's a strong signal, clear as daylight,

We have seen what you did there, as clearly as daylight, and recorded it in our Registry.


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137ben wrote:

Yea, the Giant's never really cared much for following mythological precedent. He's pretty knowledgeable about folklore, but he largely ignores it.

I mean, really, he drew a vampire turning to dust just because of sunlight. It's a strong signal, clear as daylight, that he doesn't really try to stick to mythologicaly accurate depictions. It sort of makes me glad that my favorite pantheon, the Greco-Roman gods, aren't depicted for more than a couple of scenes, since I don't have to see a bunch of 'mistakes' in their myths.

Of course, OOTS isn't trying to be a mythology compendium, so he can do whatever he wants. After all, there are no mistakes, because there are no rules.

I'm not well versed on vampires, but isn't being destroyed in the sunlight a Bram Stoker thing?

I am only a little more educated about the greco-roman pantheons than the general populace. Norse mythology is more my forte, and also my religion.

Of course he can do whatever he wants, I guess I just have high standards when it comes to portrayal of norse stuff and expect more from a clever writer.

On the other hand, I do enjoy his portrayals of Thor and Loki which are actually not so far in personality from how I imagine them myself. And Durkon lived and died like a true (fellow!) devotee of Thor.

I have a lot of Durkon feelings ok #ProtectDurkon2015


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Also, Irony at Lokis kids more than undoing his political campaign.


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Also, Irony at Lokis kids more than undoing his political campaign.

Well Fenrir's chained up until the end of the world, so of course he wants the world to end! Naturally.

Wait, didn't you say this yourself? I actually read that post before I caught up on order of the stick, and assumed it was about Fenrir in general.

Then I caught up and realized exactly what the context was.

Also seriously considering putting Loki on my 2016 ballot.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Also, Irony at Lokis kids more than undoing his political campaign.

Well Fenrir's chained up until the end of the world, so of course he wants the world to end! Naturally.

Wait, didn't you say this yourself?

Yes, but i just noticed that both Fenrir and Hel are lokis kids and they're both going to mess up this plan for him because together they're 2 votes against his 1.


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One could argue that as the writer, it is his prerogative to interpret the mythology in a way that is consistent with his universe and the game-related precedents that have been set for said pantheons in the game books that the comic is based upon. The original Deities And Demigods, for instance, was accurate-ish in a lot of ways, but still modified Gods and Pantheons in order to make them more game-friendly. In many ways, it was absolutely off-target (but still game-friendly).

I suppose I'm saying that if you are upset or offended that your preferred mythology is not being accurately represented in a fantasy web comic, that I can empathize with you, but I'm not sure it's worth getting bent out of shape over.

Me, I just want to see how this shakes out.


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I'm not bent out of shape, I'm just a world-class complainer.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
I'm not bent out of shape, I'm just a world-class complainer.

I am too, when the situation calls for it, believe me. You should hear me when I get on a tear about comic book movie adaptations and how so many studios can't just let the comic book adventure BE comic book adventure. ;)


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jemstone wrote:
Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
I'm not bent out of shape, I'm just a world-class complainer.
I am too, when the situation calls for it, believe me. You should hear me when I get on a tear about comic book movie adaptations and how so many studios can't just let the comic book adventure BE comic book adventure. ;)

Don't get me started on the beowulf movie.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
I'm not well versed on vampires, but isn't being destroyed in the sunlight a Bram Stoker thing?

Stoker's Dracula loses his strength during the day but isn't physically damaged by sunlight.

D&D vampires have their own rules which OotS is fairly consistent with:

"Exposing any vampire to direct sunlight disorients it: It can take only a single move action or attack action and is destroyed utterly in the next round if it cannot escape."


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
137ben wrote:

Yea, the Giant's never really cared much for following mythological precedent. He's pretty knowledgeable about folklore, but he largely ignores it.

I mean, really, he drew a vampire turning to dust just because of sunlight. It's a strong signal, clear as daylight, that he doesn't really try to stick to mythologicaly accurate depictions. It sort of makes me glad that my favorite pantheon, the Greco-Roman gods, aren't depicted for more than a couple of scenes, since I don't have to see a bunch of 'mistakes' in their myths.

Of course, OOTS isn't trying to be a mythology compendium, so he can do whatever he wants. After all, there are no mistakes, because there are no rules.

I'm not well versed on vampires, but isn't being destroyed in the sunlight a Bram Stoker thing?

Nope. Bram Stoker's Dracula walks in sunlight without problems. He just couldn't shapeshift during the day, except exactly at noon (IIRC Van Helsing's infodump), and might have less strength.

The sunlight destroying vampires might be Murnau's "Nosferatu" addition to the vampiric mythology. Some Slavic ghosts and wraiths might have been destroyed or at least banished by sunlight (or morning rooster's call) which might lead to this association or it might be just an explanation for mainly nocturnal activity.


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and here I was hoping strip 1000 would be revealing the monster in the darkness as the paizo golem....


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*slap* Only now, while rereading 999 I noticed something said by representative of Odin: "I see worlds within worlds..." What does Odin know and doesn't tell... Do the rest of the gods know about the world within the rift?!


Also, I wonder... Representative of Fenrir has a tail... Is that part of dress code for the function, or is the representative a member of a species different than apparent orc/goblinoid/half-orc?

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Even if the gods knew about the rift, I don't think it would change their opinions much.


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Drejk wrote:
*slap* Only now, while rereading 999 I noticed something said by representative of Odin: "I see worlds within worlds..." What does Odin know and doesn't tell... Do the rest of the gods know about the world within the rift?!

I love the 'yarn winding yarn' reference due to Odin's practice of seiðr the effeminate thread-spinning magic. c: C: C: C: C: C: C: C:

I wonder what's up with that world anyway? Is it the world that was made before this one? Is it a new world? Is the Snarl, in fact, a world?

If there is no Snarl, then what happened to Soon's wife? It seems odd that Soon, as a paladin, would lie. I wonder if the subject of the world within the rift was what turned Dorukan's party against each other.


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Drejk wrote:
Also, I wonder... Representative of Fenrir has a tail... Is that part of dress code for the function, or is the representative a member of a species different than apparent orc/goblinoid/half-orc?

There are catfolk elsewhere in the story. I assumed that Fenrir's priest was one of them.


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AFAIK, the first vampire destroyed by sunlight was in the 1922 silent film Nosferatu. The idea was reused in the 1924 English play adaption of Dracula. The 1924 play formed the basis for the 1927 American play adaption, which itself was the basis for the 1931 movie adaption.
Once the movie asserted that vampires were destroyed by sunlight, it became the standard for English-language pop culture.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
Drejk wrote:
*slap* Only now, while rereading 999 I noticed something said by representative of Odin: "I see worlds within worlds..." What does Odin know and doesn't tell... Do the rest of the gods know about the world within the rift?!
I love the 'yarn winding yarn' reference due to Odin's practice of seiðr the effeminate thread-spinning magic. c: C: C: C: C: C: C: C:

I thought about yarn winding yarn as reference to threads that build up the reality as seen close to rifts, and apparently also are what Snarl is made of.

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I wonder what's up with that world anyway? Is it the world that was made before this one? Is it a new world? Is the Snarl, in fact, a world?

Could be. If the reality is made of the threads and Snarl is made of the same threads tangled, then it is possible that Snarl was a manifestation of a new world... Or maybe a deity of the new world?

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If there is no Snarl, then what happened to Soon's wife? It seems odd that Soon, as a paladin, would lie. I wonder if the subject of the world within the rift was what turned Dorukan's party against each other.

Soon would probably believe that there is Snarl. On the other hand he might operate under knowledge gained by gods who lied to him or instructed him to pass specific knowledge to his order.

I think that Snarl actually exists or at least existed in the past, it's just that we don't know much about its nature. Gods probably have very limited knowledge of Snarl either and are taking their decisions in the dark directed by their preexisting prejudices. Including a terrible fear of dying not knowing what happens with dead god.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Also, I wonder... Representative of Fenrir has a tail... Is that part of dress code for the function, or is the representative a member of a species different than apparent orc/goblinoid/half-orc?
There are catfolk elsewhere in the story. I assumed that Fenrir's priest was one of them.

Yeah, it might be. I haven't thought about catfolk.


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Drejk wrote:
thought about yarn winding yarn as reference to threads that build up the reality as seen close to rifts, and apparently also are what Snarl is made of.

threads of reality = wyrd and what is spun by seiðr in my legendarium o:


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Drejk wrote:
Also, I wonder... Representative of Fenrir has a tail... Is that part of dress code for the function, or is the representative a member of a species different than apparent orc/goblinoid/half-orc?

I think he's just wearing one of my relatives as a cloak: which would make sense since fenrir is a wolf.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Also, I wonder... Representative of Fenrir has a tail... Is that part of dress code for the function, or is the representative a member of a species different than apparent orc/goblinoid/half-orc?
I think he's just wearing one of my relatives as a cloak: which would make sense since fenrir is a wolf.

So it falls under a dress code for the function in your opinion.


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Again, the rule here is that there are NO rules, not even that one.

That being said, if we really want to nitpick (as gamers wont to do) The Poetic Elder Edda (which in itself is the modern attribution for an unnamed collection of Old Norse poems rather than a name given to them when they were first created) does NOT list Fenrir as a "god" but rather the scion on Loki (who is both jötunn and "god" being the son of Fárbauti and Laufey). By union with the jötunn Angrboða, Loki sires monsters the Nine Worlds fear. Loki is the father of Hel, the wolf Fenrir, and the world serpent Jörmungandr. Only Hel can take up the mantle of "god."

By strict 1st Edition D&D rules, as of the original Deities and Demigods Fenrir cannot have followers who can cast spells above 2nd level as Fenrir himself (itself?) cannot grant them.

(How come no one has mentioned that Nergal, who was worshiped by the vampiric lizard, is a Babylonian god?)

Fun fact, in Gary Gygax own original Greyhawk campaign, even while he had his own pantheon, some of the Norse gods did make an appearance due to actions of player characters, so both "divine intervention" and the Norse pantheon have Long standing ties to the games we all love.


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Grognard wrote:
does NOT list Fenrir as a "god" but rather the scion on Loki (who is both jötunn and "god" being the son of Fárbauti and Laufey). By union with the jötunn Angrboða, Loki sires monsters the Nine Worlds fear. Loki is the father of Hel, the wolf Fenrir, and the world serpent Jörmungandr. Only Hel can take up the mantle of "god."

I'd be interested in knowing how you got a sample for that DNA test... Tyr? Is that you?

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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
Drejk wrote:
thought about yarn winding yarn as reference to threads that build up the reality as seen close to rifts, and apparently also are what Snarl is made of.
threads of reality = wyrd and what is spun by seiðr in my legendarium o:

In addition the yarn spinning of the threads of reality, I also read yarn with the meaning of story : the story that Rich is telling us of the OotS and its adventures :-)

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Zavas wrote:
John Woodford wrote:
The black raven wrote:
NEW ONE
Dun dun DUN!
Actually, it's taupe.

But "Taupe taupe TAUPE!" lacks a certain je ne sais quoi.


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So who else is spamming F5 on GITP ?


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
So who else is spamming F5 on GITP ?

I've been doing so spiritually.

Does anyone know if oots has an update schedule?

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I'm making my Will save so far.

Every new post on this thread forces a new one, of course.


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incidentally, I've failed my will save against making allusions to game mechanics, it's a rather contagious habit.

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