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Jason Nelson wrote:
At the high end, a planet of Cthulhu.

That's absurd, a planet full of Cthulhus would be silly.

Nah, I think we're looking at a planet full of Banjulhu!


Drejk wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Those are soldiers from a different nation than Tarquin's. Tarquin is general for the Empire of Blood, and the other two nations are Sweat and Tears. I forget which one Laurin works for, but I'm assuming those are its soldiers.


Fitzwalrus wrote:

I can't find the strip number right now, but in one of the early "crayon" backstory comics when the first Rift was found part of the Snarl came through and impaled and killed the significant other of one of the group of wizards that built the Gates.

I forgot about that one, thanks. But was that meant to be an actual flashback, as it happened, or just the recounting of a legend?


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Generic Villain wrote:
Fitzwalrus wrote:

I can't find the strip number right now, but in one of the early "crayon" backstory comics when the first Rift was found part of the Snarl came through and impaled and killed the significant other of one of the group of wizards that built the Gates.

I forgot about that one, thanks. But was that meant to be an actual flashback, as it happened, or just the recounting of a legend?

The significant other killed by the snarl was Soon's wife.

In the commentary for Start of Darkness, Rich explains that crayon strips (i.e., the exposition during the trial in NCFPB, and Redcloak/Right-Eye's explanation of the snarl and The Dark One) are legends being told by a character, while everything that isn't crayon-drawn is real (that was 5 years before Girard's illusion, of course).

The wizard who crafted the gates was Dorukan, along with his significant other (and Order of the Scribble Druid), Lirian. Neither Dorukan nor Lirian were killed by the Snarl--both of them were killed by Xykon in Start of Darkness.


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If you notice in the bottom panel, only one of the soldiers get's struck by the "strands". I am curious to know if that means he was killed or something else happens. But I think we are in for a cliff-hanger in any case - this seems like the perfect close for a book version of the strip.


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Also Laurin's eyes seem to reflect the snarl and it looks like she is pulled away as it emerges... We shall see...

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Fitzwalrus wrote:
Generic Villain wrote:
As far as I can recall, this is the first time anything actually came out of a rift ...
I can't find the strip number right now, but in one of the early "crayon" backstory comics when the first Rift was found part of the Snarl came through and impaled and killed the significant other of one of the group of wizards that built the Gates.

The story of the snarl starts in strip n° 273. And the reaction of the snarl to Mijung's approach is a bit reminiscent of what happened to Laurin.


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Ninja'd by Drejk!

EDIT:
GRRRR third try.

It seems that even though the legend notes that the Snarl undid all of creation... that's not true. It seems pretty clear that "all of creation" still exists within the other side.


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strayshift wrote:
Also Laurin's eyes seem to reflect the snarl and it looks like she is pulled away as it emerges... We shall see...

If you zoom in on Blackwing here, his eyes change from white to purple when he is close to the rift.

I'm guessing (purely a hunch) that's what happens right before the Snarl lashes out. Which would mean Xykon saved Blackwing :O

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I'm guessing the planet is the first one the Gods made: it got wrapped inside the current world when the gods imprisoned the snarl.

Or the Snarl is just Rovagug.


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137ben wrote:
The wizard who crafted the gates was Dorukan, along with his significant other (and Order of the Scribble Druid), Lirian.

Huh. I never picked up on the fact that Dorukand and Lirian were together.

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It was pretty explicit.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
It was pretty explicit.

Ah, I was confusing her with Serini the halfling. Also, when I first read the comic you linked, I didn't pick up on the fact that that was Lirian. Also, I are not very much smrt.


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Andostre wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
It was pretty explicit.
Ah, I was confusing her with Serini the halfling. Also, when I first read the comic you linked, I didn't pick up on the fact that that was Lirian. Also, I are not very much smrt.

Me too, man, me too.


I'm surprised as genre savvy as many of the characters are that nobody has cast commune or a similar spell yet and just asked the gods what The Snarl is. You would think they would be even more forthcoming than usual with the fact existence is hanging in the balance and all.


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Andostre wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
It was pretty explicit.
Also, I are not very much smrt.

Me prblm saem;

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Drock11 wrote:
I'm surprised as genre savvy as many of the characters are that nobody has cast commune or a similar spell yet and just asked the gods what The Snarl is. You would think they would be even more forthcoming than usual with the fact existence is hanging in the balance and all.

That might be why Durkon had to be taken off the table.


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Drock11 wrote:
I'm surprised as genre savvy as many of the characters are that nobody has cast commune or a similar spell yet and just asked the gods what The Snarl is. You would think they would be even more forthcoming than usual with the fact existence is hanging in the balance and all.

They considered it.


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Drock11 wrote:
I'm surprised as genre savvy as many of the characters are that nobody has cast commune or a similar spell yet and just asked the gods what The Snarl is. You would think they would be even more forthcoming than usual with the fact existence is hanging in the balance and all.

You think the other gods actually told thor? :)


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Drock11 wrote:
I'm surprised as genre savvy as many of the characters are that nobody has cast commune or a similar spell yet and just asked the gods what The Snarl is. You would think they would be even more forthcoming than usual with the fact existence is hanging in the balance and all.

Have you paid attention to how much effort Thor actually puts in when he responds? You think they will get anything reliable out of him?


I wonder if people are going to start forgetting about Laurin now. Especially considering that Haley now says that she never forgot Blackwing to begin with.


Caineach wrote:
Have you paid attention to how much effort Thor actually puts in when he responds? You think they will get anything reliable out of him?

True enough. You got me there. You never know though. Maybe Snarl related questions are somewhere on the automated response system if somebody is willing to be put on hold long enough.

I suspect Durkon will have a new patron god soon. Then again, that one might care even less about him even if he isn't out to lunch as much as Thor.


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Drock11 wrote:
I suspect Durkon will have a new patron god soon. Then again, that one might care even less about him even if he isn't out to lunch as much as Thor.

Sooner than you might think, sort of! New comic up!

946: Its what's inside that counts!

There's a note saying it will return March 31st, so I am thinking this is the end of the story arc.

Edit: Yeah, there is a note on the front page confirming it.

The Message:
It's the end of this (very long) story arc, so that means it's time for me to take a break from the regular updates in order to prepare for the next (probably also very long) arc. The main comic here on the site will return on March 31st, with a whole new story far away from the desert and Elan's family and all that. Downside: Less dinosaurs. Sorry. As for what I'll be doing for those six weeks, I wish I could say, "tropical vacation," but no such luck. Here are the highlights:

Planning the new story. I have the broad strokes outlined, but I need to develop it further before I can start writing dialogue.
Working on Kickstarter PDFs. I really want to get at least one more long-overdue Kickstarter story out before the end of the break, because this has taken way too long already.
Finishing crayon drawings. Again for the Kickstarter backers, I've been hard at work on the custom drawings some of you ordered. I'd like to finish a lot more, and get the ones I've already finished mailed out.
Upgrading the forum. We'll be upgrading the message board software during the next few weeks to a new version with substantial differences. That will require the boards being turned off for a few days while we all work behind-the-scenes. Exact dates and details will be discussed on the message board, so watch for announcements there.
Getting a root canal. Three visits to the dentist expected. I'm planning on not working those days.
Other life stuff. A few multi-day tasks I've been putting off since I got back from my injury.

The thing I'm not going to be working on that might be expected is the preparation for the next compilation book, even though this strip (#946) was definitely the last that will be included therein. There's too much other stuff for me to get done right now, and prepping that book will be a lot of extra work. I'd rather spend my limited time away from the regular strip getting old work off my plate than putting new work onto it. As far as when that book might make it to print, I'm aiming toward later this year, though beyond that I'd prefer not to make any (more) commitments I might have trouble keeping.

Anyway, the bottom line is I'll still be around the forums and Twitter during my "break," at least as much as normal. I'll just be working on different stuff than normal. As always, thanks to all the readers that have supported the comic through this section of the story and I hope you enjoy everything I have in store for the next one.

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Wow!! New page! Also will return 3/31/14 looks like.

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Oh shi-


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re evil vampires

I won't pretend false modesty. I told you so.

*wags tail*


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Generic Villain wrote:
Because Rich Burlew is cruel, I doubt we'll get the resolution to this anytime soon. The next panel will probably be back on the airship.

Called it right there, Generic.

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I liked Roy's speech, however low the bar is. And I think Durkula greatly underestimate Durkon's will. However this all plays out, I believe that Hel's plan will end up utterly ruined, which is just fitting after all :-)

A small interesting bit I noticed. If Durkula prays at sunset, then the sun is setting in the East, based on the boat's direction (North) and that of Scoundrel (South) in the first panel. Or maybe I missed something.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

re evil vampires

I won't pretend false modesty. I told you so.

*wags tail*

Same here :-))

I feel like I can now detect evil vampiric masterminds with some regularity ;-)

Though when I read the very first image where Durkula refers to Durkon as another being, I immediately thought that it was Malack's spirit hiding inside :-)


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thejeff wrote:

t would make sense based on this strip alone, but with the back research Trace found, it's pretty clear. "It wasn't my job to watch the grown-up. But... I still should have done something."

That's very much an "I didn't interfere" not an "I didn't disobey".

I thought so at first. Then I considered that the opposite of that specific sentence was that it was the grown-up's job to watch what Roy was doing (and ensure that nothing went wrong).

Granted, I am likely reading far too much in this, but really Itchy's hypothesis did strike a chord with me ;-)

Still no input on Roy's age at the time of his brother's death 18 years ago ?

He was ten. Eric died eighteen years ago, and Roy died at 28.

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So now I wonder... if Durkon is just trapped inside his vampire-possessed body instead of truly dead, and Durkula even admits that Durkon "struggles within me", then that means there is a possibility that Durkon could break out at some point. Even if it's just something small, like saying a few words to Roy and the others, it could happen.

In game terms, I figure he should get a new will save whenever his body is forced to do something that's completely against his nature. It might be a nearly impossible save, but all it takes is one natural 20.

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I don't think that situation needs any special rules: even true resurrection can't restore someone to life if their previous body is currently occupied by an undead creature. Combined with (intelligent) undead usually being able to recall the details of their 'former life', it would make sense to interpret that as somehow trapping the essence of the once-living creature. (And, in Pathfinder cosmology, at least, why Pharasma hates undead so much.)

Durkon 'breaking out' would be purely in the realm of GM fiat, just like a purely NPC vampire suddenly deciding to show mercy based on some sort of sympathy with being once living.

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Ross Byers wrote:

I don't think that situation needs any special rules: even true resurrection can't restore someone to life if their previous body is currently occupied by an undead creature. Combined with (intelligent) undead usually being able to recall the details of their 'former life', it would make sense to interpret that as somehow trapping the essence of the once-living creature. (And, in Pathfinder cosmology, at least, why Pharasma hates undead so much.)

Durkon 'breaking out' would be purely in the realm of GM fiat, just like a purely NPC vampire suddenly deciding to show mercy based on some sort of sympathy with being once living.

Since the OOTS characters are pretty much supposed to be PCs, I think Durkon's actions should be ruled by some houserule, rather than pure GM fiat ;-)

And now I am left wondering what kind of person Malack was before he became a vampiric evil reflection of himself.


Ross Byers wrote:
I don't think that situation needs any special rules: even true resurrection can't restore someone to life if their previous body is currently occupied by an undead creature.

Well, in some cases it can. But even in those cases they get a save to negate. Which given it's a will save on a cleric... yeah we're back to that again.


If I were GMing, I'd treat it like a dominate person spell. Give him chances (maybe daily) to try and break it, or if something is being done, say like killing Roy, give him another save with a morale bonus to break out and retake control. I'm pretty sure it will be some critical juncture like that when he'll regain control.

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It kind of sounds like Hel wants to control the Snarl for herself. Controlling the snarl requires a divine and arcane caster.

She has access to Durkon/Durkula, a powerful divine caster.

The fiendish trio have access to Varsuvius, a powerful arcane caster.

If Hel and the three fiends are aligned, this could end poorly.


Interestingly, while I don't know about Thor's alignment*, if Hel functions similarly to the way she does in printed 3.0 materials, she's neutral evil - a perfect fit for the three-way-evil alliance.

* I know that Durkon is lawful good, but in printed materials (and in action) it seems that Thor is chaotic good. I presume, due to the fact that the Norse Pantheon seems to be the official Dwarven pantheon, that it doesn't matter that their alignments differ. And, heck, based on Thor's tendencies, I feel certain that he'd just ignore it and grant Durkon spells anyway, 'cause he thinks the dwarf is cool or whatever.


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Y'know I just realized? Back when Durkula "accidentally" hit Roy with Inflict instead of Cure? That wasn't an accident at all, that was for fun!


Uh oh, did Rich just shoot down the current most popular OOTS-meme?

Rich Burlew wrote:
Enough with the spoof speculation threads. We get it, OOTS fans sometimes have nutty theories. But it's getting to the point where it's eclipsing real discussion, such as with all the Trigak nonsense in the main discussion thread.

I mean, I doubt it will work, but still.


What is "all the Trigak nonsense" even mean?

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Trigak

I had to google it myself.


I think it started from this thread.
At that point there were 20ish threads arguing about vampire Durkon. The thread I just linked to is a parody of those threads (no one actually believes it).
Unfortunately, the 'parody' spilled out of its own thread and took over the OOTS forum.

To be fair, though, it's really no crazier than some other forum theories that people actually believe. (E.g., for a number of years there were a bunch of people insisting Belkar was CG, and others who were convinced Haley was Orrin Draketooths daughter (even AFTER the fact that the Draketooths were killed by familicide was revealed:|).


Ross Byers wrote:

It kind of sounds like Hel wants to control the Snarl for herself. Controlling the snarl requires a divine and arcane caster.

She has access to Durkon/Durkula, a powerful divine caster.

The fiendish trio have access to Varsuvius, a powerful arcane caster.

If Hel and the three fiends are aligned, this could end poorly.

Unfortunately (for them) the ritual apparently takes weeks to complete.


Dungeon Master Zack wrote:
Ross Byers wrote:

It kind of sounds like Hel wants to control the Snarl for herself. Controlling the snarl requires a divine and arcane caster.

She has access to Durkon/Durkula, a powerful divine caster.

The fiendish trio have access to Varsuvius, a powerful arcane caster.

If Hel and the three fiends are aligned, this could end poorly.

Unfortunately (for them) the ritual apparently takes weeks to complete.

At least, the ritual that The Dark One created and gave to Redcloak takes weeks to complete. If Hel has a way to control the Snarl at all, it would be with a method she developed herself, which needn't work the same way as TDO's method. She might have more information than TDO, given that she helped build the Snarl's prison in the first place, while TDO wasn't alive at that point. See also: the IFCC's allotted time is "more than sufficient for our purposes".


The latest comic is up.

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Wow.

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Yarf. Good word.

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Is it just me, or does the style of the art seem different to anyone else? I can't quite put my finger on it, but the close image of Lil' Durkon in the bottom right corner of the first page seems off. Not a complaint per se, just curious if anyone noticed a difference.

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They have changed the art style there is a thread about it on the giant forum.

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