Auld Grene Belt Mappe


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I just completed a quick and dirty illustration of the Green Belt intended to represent an antiquated map; perhaps drafted by an unnamed Taldane cartographer during an earlier colonization attempt. I know a big part of the campaign is the PCs' exploration but it seems terribly odd to me that the Swordlords aren't able to supply even a rudimentary map of what lies along their nation's southern border to their chartered agents. One of my players even wanted to buy a regional map of the area during character creation. It felt weird having nothing to offer her except the full color version.

So I made this map, which is purposefully inaccurate in its scale, and labeled it with Middle or Old English versions of its modern place names. My reasoning is that, without such a map, how are the PCs supposed to recognize the names of all the major landmarks in the Green Belt that they encounter? And who did name all those rivers and lakes anyway?

Anyway take a look and let me know what you think.

[IMG=http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5271/auldgrenebeltmappe.th.jpg][/IMG]

Liberty's Edge

That's really rather nice!

I thought much the same on reading the AP, but as I've taken over a game after the DM bowed out, nobody had asked for a map as far as I know before setting out so I didn't get around to making one.

But as a dedicated map-freak myself this is one of the things I've found with the APs... a lack of the 'sketch map' or even 'mediaeval cartographer monk-xeroxed' type of map that yer average fantasy character would have access to... you're excellent at drawing, I don't do too badly, but when an NPC wants to give the group an indication of where they have to go one is stuck with the full-colour modern technology one in the book or... one's own resources. Now I can freehand OK, but no use for online games, you need to fire up the graphics package and make something... like this one I knocked up pretty fast for one of my games.


That's NICE stuff, Ambrus! Consider it yoinked. :)

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I'm impressed, consider this yoinked.


Verra' nice, a dozen thank-yous for posting it. I'll need to adjust it for my upcoming game, but it will be used.


I too appreciate your effort. I printed a copy and gave it to my GM for her Kingmaker campaign. She said she wants to work it in some how. Thanks again.


I was just about to start work on this. A million thank you's for saving my players from the horror of having to use a map I sketched.

Grand Lodge

Ambrus wrote:

I just completed a quick and dirty illustration of the Green Belt intended to represent an antiquated map; perhaps drafted by an unnamed Taldane cartographer during an earlier colonization attempt. I know a big part of the campaign is the PCs' exploration but it seems terribly odd to me that the Swordlords aren't able to supply even a rudimentary map of what lies along their nation's southern border to their chartered agents. One of my players even wanted to buy a regional map of the area during character creation. It felt weird having nothing to offer her except the full color version.

So I made this map, which is purposefully inaccurate in its scale, and labeled it with Middle or Old English versions of its modern place names. My reasoning is that, without such a map, how are the PCs supposed to recognize the names of all the major landmarks in the Green Belt that they encounter? And who did name all those rivers and lakes anyway?

Anyway take a look and let me know what you think.

[IMG=http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5271/auldgrenebeltmappe.th.jpg][/IMG]

impressive! I will definitely make use of it.

The Exchange

This is far better than what I had before, which was a photocopy of the color map cut around the edges with my wife's pinking shears.

Well done, sir!

Sovereign Court

Yoink!


I took this image, changed it to high contrast black and white, and printed it on a brown paper bag. Then I wrinkled it up and tore the edges. It looks fricken awesome. Way to go Ambrus, I won't be taking all the credit with my players when they are thoroughly impressed. :)


Thank you


Sorry for the thread necromancy, but I thought you'd like to know that years later your map is still appreciated! :)

Giving the players a blank hex grid for mapping wouldn't go over well. (Not with my group, anyway.) Giving them the original regional map deprives them of discovery. There have been a number of suggestions on these forums for a middle ground, but your map combined with a few of those ideas has allowed me to find what I think will be the best solution yet.

I have the pdf of the map folio. I took the page used for part 1 and pulled it into Photoshop. I then added your map as a semi-transparent layer over the regional map. I then scaled your map to match the regional map and lined it up as best it could be and cropped it to match. Then I made it opaque.

Next I turned your map layer off, and added a blank hex grid graphic as another layer. I made it very transparent so that I could see the hex grid on the original region map through it. I carefully scaled it and positioned it to exactly match the hex grid on the original. Leaving it mostly transparent, I then turned your map layer back on and turned the regional map off.

The result is a hex-grid version of your map whose hexes line up perfectly with the original regional map even though the landmarks and locations of features like rivers and forests and mountains only line up roughly, as intended by your map.

I will print that on a full sheet of removable label sticker stock. (It's like an entire piece of paper coated with PostIt glue on one side.) I'll also print out the matching original regional map on regular paper (actually, probably card stock).

That done, I'll take a razor blade and straight edge and cut out each individual hex from the PostIt sheet print out of your map and stick them to the original regional map on the card stock. (I'll also give the players an uncut regular print out of your map for easier reference.)

As they are discussing their charter with those who grant it, they will be given your map and it will be explained that "it's the best map we currently have." Part of their job will be to improve upon it. They will also be told that the authority granted by their charter extends to the line that has been added to this old map. (This is a dodge to avoid the confusion resulting from Oleg's being in the wrong hex and/or the compass rose pointing in the wrong direction.) Your map becomes a part of their charter by outlining exactly where they have the authority to deal unilaterally with bandits.

As they enter each hex, we'll pull the sticker off that hex changing its view from your "Auld Mappe" to an accurate representation. As they fully explore each hex, we'll put a small "X" in there, eventually changing it to a K for claimed Kingdom hex, or F for farm.

One of the cool things about this is that players will know, for example, that they are approaching a river. But they'll enter the hex where they expect it to be, and there will be no river there. The map just isn't accurate enough. But they'll know that there's still one nearby, and they'll find it in the next hex. This will simulate very nicely the effect of travelling with an imperfect map.

Thanks for providing this!


(It just occurred to me that the final product with all it's hex-shaped stickers covering up secret surprises is going to look like an insane Advent calendar. But I'm kinda okay with that.) :)

Liberty's Edge

This. THIS. A million times this.

I am totally okay with this thread necromancy.

Also, Mr. Grogg, is it possible to get a copy of your work as well? This seems like it would be invaluable to my campaign. I and my players would appreciate it.


A certain V just located this in his tomb.


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Very nice!
Wish I had seen this earlier!


me too
awesome

The Exchange

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber

This is nicely done!

RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 32

Nicely done


I'm gonna be starting Kingmaker this Sunday. Emailed the charter from the first book and a copy of "the last known official attempt at a map of the area". My PCs love it already. Good job.


Sorry for the thread necro, but does anyone still has the map? The original link is dead

Thanks,
-Joe


Yes - I too would love to see this map, but unfortunately the link is no longer working.


It should be this one:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oeex5gvqzepopmx/auldgrenebeltmappe.jpg?dl=0


Thank you very much
-Joe


Woo hoo! Gracias!

Grand Lodge

Sorry for the re-necro... But the above links (Imageshack and Dropbox) are dead.

It's too much trouble to ask somebody to upload it again? :)


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Try this one.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Nice! I wish i had seen this before!


Awesome map

Grand Lodge

Thanks kadance! I'm sure my players will love it.


Yes indeed, Many thanks...


If you have attempted to get to my linked file(s) above and found that you needed to ask permission, you have my apology. I was not regularly checking the e-mail address attached to the account.

I have now removed the google security update from hundreds of my shared files, so hopefully no one will have to ask permission to view them.

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