What is the point of personal range?


Round 2: Words of Power Discussion


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I confused as to why you would ever use the personal target.

Personal
Level all 0; Cost 0
Range no range

Single
Level all 0; Cost 0
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)

Single is available at the same level and the same cost, and gives you the option of casting the spell on someone else. At least in the playtest, every word that allows the personal target also allows the single target. So anything that you can do with personal, you can also do with single and you gain additional options.

It would make sense to me if single had a higher cost. One of the limiting features when discussing spell balance is that a spell can be somewhat (sometimes much) stronger if the range is personal rather than touch. (Consider what level a touch True Strike or Shield spell should be.)

Is there something I am missing?


I agree that there should be a price difference between single and personal. However, there are certain abilities in the game that allow spells with a range of Personal to be shared with a pet, so it may be worth keeping the keyword "Personal" around.

The Share Spells Druid & Wizard ability allows a druid to cast any spell with range Personal on his pet, even if the pet is of the wrong creature type to qualify as a target.

Hmm, that's the only one I can find right now.

Scarab Sages

Thirded; there definitely needs to be a higher cost for Single targetting, over Personal, even if it's just 1.

Maybe it also needs a spell level cap, with a higher cost to boost the effective level of the effects that can be tied to it?

If you examine existing spells in the Core game (and historically, through all editions), spells that only affect the caster have been allowed to have better effects than those that affect any ally.


Currently I see no words that dublicate personal only spells yet, but a word that allows to dublicate something like divine power, or shapechanging could allow the single target word for a higher cost.


I have stumbled upon purpose for Personal target word: Personal target word should change Spell Resistance of any spell to No thus allowing casting beneficial spells on oneself without risking of wsting spell as lowering SR is standard action and last for 1 round so it ends before begining of your following turn and thus before you have chance cast non-quickened spell. Howevere it still remains horribly dependent upon circumstances (i.e. useless to anyone without Spell Resistance).
Needs more work.


Drejk wrote:
I have stumbled upon purpose for Personal target word: Personal target word should change Spell Resistance of any spell to No thus allowing casting beneficial spells on oneself without risking of wsting spell as lowering SR is standard action and last for 1 round so it ends before begining of your following turn and thus before you have chance cast non-quickened spell.

Spells you cast on yourself already ignore spell resistance. But it's a nice idea. :-)

Dark Archive

Maybe make it so "Personal" target spells have a discount instead of a cost? Or make "Personal" be a cost of -1?

Just a random thought.


hogarth wrote:
Spells you cast on yourself already ignore spell resistance. But it's a nice idea. :-)

Bleh, I completly missed the line in SR description that says:

Quote:
A creature's spell resistance never interferes with its own spells, items, or abilities.

As I was always a bit restrictive when it comes to SR and rarely used such monsters myself.

So ok, personal range IS useless :P

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