I do too;
I can't speak for Paizo, but they've said they're not interested in starting another magazine; it's a b*+&~ to get off the ground...
however,
there's Kobold Quarterly, which is put out by Wolfgang Baur, who invented the word tiefling.
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The more subscribers (and article submissions) Wolfgang has at Kobold Quarterly, the more likely it is to eventually become a monthly. At least I can dream that is the case. Kobold Quarterly is a worthy successor to Dragon and those who have not checked it out and yet pine for the old magazines should certainly pick up a copy.
I was just thinking how much I missed Dragon Magazine. I got some great stuff out of those magazines over the years. I wonder if Paizo has given any thought to publishing a magazine again to replace Dragon.
If I remember correctly from threads to this effect during the Dungeon/Dragon end times... I believe there was some sort of legal agreement with WotC that prevented Paizo from publishing a magazine (perhaps one of our Paizo overlords will correct me on this). Pathfinder APs, the Dungeon successor, are technically "books".
I was just thinking how much I missed Dragon Magazine. I got some great stuff out of those magazines over the years. I wonder if Paizo has given any thought to publishing a magazine again to replace Dragon.
I miss it too. I have it going all the way back to The Strategic Review. It was a standard birthday present for the wife to give me. Kobold Quarterly is, as others have mentioned, a very worthy replacement. Particularly now that it has quite a bit of Pathfinder material in it :)
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Yes, I miss the magazines too. But you have to way things out. Pathfinder is the living breathing spirit of Dragon and Dungeon. They are everything those magazines wished to be and even more.
The real question...would Paizo allow a paizo-like entity to create a monthly magazine subsciption akin to Dragon? I am fairly certain that everyone at Paizo knows what such a magazine would entail...and I think they wouldn't wish such a fate on anyone. They themselves have no desire for that kind of pressure again but...if someone came along and was crazy...and pitched it like they knew what it entailed?
Let's see...
Let me chime in and say that I too miss those two magazines. I also agree that the Paizo era of Dragon and Dungeon were mythic - it is what convinced me to give Pathfinder a shot.
That said, I think Kobold is an excellent follow up. The ONLY reason I haven't actually gotten a subscription thus far is the same reason I didn't have a subscription to its two predecessors in the late 80s and 90s. It isn't 100% useful to me - therefore its hard to justify the expense.
In the 80s and 90s I didn't play Top Secret or Marvel Super Heroes. I also didn't run on one of the myriad of world settings that came out for DnD. So with each issue of Dragon and Dungeon I chose whether or not to get them based on amount of useful content.
With Kobold I have the same problem - not that it is one they have to 'fix', mind you. Nonetheless, when a portion of a magazine is dedicated to 4e - or any system I don't use - it makes it less of a draw for me. I play Pathfinder exclusively.
Do not take this to mean that I expect or feel entitled to Kobold changing their content. I am but one of many, yet at the end of the day I find myself doing the same thing now as I did back then.
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Do you have a spare $1 million or so just lying around? A mil that you're just willing to throw down a rathole and never hope to see it again in any way, shape, or form, and then maybe, maybe, maaaaaybe have a hope of slowly getting to break-even after a year of monthly issues? Then you too can try to get into the magazine publishing business these days.
Ain't happening. The financial realities of it just about rule out a magazine, even if there were (are?) no legal obstacles to Paizo starting up a Dragon-esque mag. Kobold Quarterly is about as good as we're going to get for now, sadly. I only bother with a PDF subscription as I'm in Katerek's camp as well: not going to pay full price for a mag where 1/3 to 1/2 the content is for a system that I don't play, and one that's pretty hard to convert rules content for over to Pathfinder regardless.
Kobold Quarterly, everyone should Subscribe.
And hopefully Adventure Quarterly can get off the ground. (looks around for Lilith).
Is Kobold Quarterly only through PDFs?
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In the 80s and 90s I didn't play Top Secret or Marvel Super Heroes. I also didn't run on one of the myriad of world settings that came out for DnD. So with each issue of Dragon and Dungeon I chose whether or not to get them based on amount of useful content.
With Kobold I have the same problem - not that it is one they have to 'fix', mind you. Nonetheless, when a portion of a magazine is dedicated to 4e - or any system I don't use - it makes it less of a draw for me. I play Pathfinder exclusively.
Wolfgang can't publish what is not submitted.
There was a thread similar to this one back in the spring of 2009 where that point was made. Wolfgang stepped into that one and asked for more submissions for Pathfinder or 3e. I went ahead, thought of one, sent it in and got my article into the 2009 Summer issue. My fourth KQ article is going to be in the Fall 2010 issue.
Wolfgang Baur is extremely easy to communicate with and anyone with an idea for an article should send him their query. Submission guidelines are here. Some few things that Wolfgang has said lately make me think that Pathfinder offerings are running a little short. So, while not everyone can be a writer, I am of the believe most of us in the roleplaying hobby are more rather than less likely to be of the creative sort that can hammer these things out.
So Pathfinder players, rather than complain about the content of KQ, send in your queries!
Kobold Quarterly, everyone should Subscribe.
And hopefully Adventure Quarterly can get off the ground. (looks around for Lilith).
Agreed! :D
Its a real magazine that you can hold in your hands. :)Which is terrific because I can't read a PDF for enjoyment. Not to mention that its hard to pass around a PDF when the kids want to read some gaming material.
That is great to hear. :)
PDF certainly has it's place, but I have always been a traditionalist and have always preferred the glossy hardcopy. Just like I always prefer actual books.
I guess I will have to look harder on the magazine then, all I'm seeing (on Paizo) are sales for PDFs.
Kobold Quarterly is ok. I wish they wouldn't smother most of their magazines with 4e material.
I think what the OP wants is a Pathfinder-exclusive magazine. It's obvious why they can't do a print one, but why not a monthly or bi-monthly online magazine?
In the 80s and 90s I didn't play Top Secret or Marvel Super Heroes. I also didn't run on one of the myriad of world settings that came out for DnD. So with each issue of Dragon and Dungeon I chose whether or not to get them based on amount of useful content.
With Kobold I have the same problem - not that it is one they have to 'fix', mind you. Nonetheless, when a portion of a magazine is dedicated to 4e - or any system I don't use - it makes it less of a draw for me. I play Pathfinder exclusively.
Wolfgang can't publish what is not submitted.
There was a thread similar to this one back in the spring of 2009 where that point was made. Wolfgang stepped into that one and asked for more submissions for Pathfinder or 3e. I went ahead, thought of one, sent it in and got my article into the 2009 Summer issue. My fourth KQ article is going to be in the Fall 2010 issue.
Wolfgang Baur is extremely easy to communicate with and anyone with an idea for an article should send him their query. Submission guidelines are here. Some few things that Wolfgang has said lately make me think that Pathfinder offerings are running a little short. So, while not everyone can be a writer, I am of the believe most of us in the roleplaying hobby are more rather than less likely to be of the creative sort that can hammer these things out.
So Pathfinder players, rather than complain about the content of KQ, send in your queries!
If we want more Pathfinder material in KQ, we basically have to write it ourselves?
I'm sorry that kind of defeats the purpose of me BUYING the magazine to begin with. If I'm going to have to end up writing my own articles for my own use for my game, then...Yeah you lost me there bro.I buy these things so that I dont HAVE TO put in the creative end of the work. If I have to do that then what the hell good is the magazine to me otherwise?
Either way what sort of things would make for good Pathfinder or at least edition neutral articles? More Haunts, More feats specific to certain classes from the APG? New monsters? What about articles that would take a classic locale from 1st Ed D&D and or Basic D&D and relocate in somewhere on Golarion? Replacing the assorted deities and sometimes monsters with their Golarion equivalent? What about other 3rd party materials? Where would Ptolus go? Where would Freeport go? Rappan Athuk?
It occurs to me that quite a few of us DM's might have tons of the same materials from 3E and older and might be looking to reuse them for our Pathfinder worlds. It could almost be some sort of CRISIS ON ALTERNATE GOLARIONS! with each issue highlighting a different placement of a different module or super-adventure.
And yeah, I'd have no idea how to start putting something like this together. I'm not that super detail oriented anal retentive DM that would map this sort of thing out. I'd just find an empty place on the map and go "Ok, it's HERE *points*"...
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If we want more Pathfinder material in KQ, we basically have to write it ourselves?
I'm sorry that kind of defeats the purpose of me BUYING the magazine to begin with. If I'm going to have to end up writing my own articles for my own use for my game, then...Yeah you lost me there bro.
Heh. Someone has to write it. And Pathfinder material is more likely to be written by people interested in Pathfinder than not.
Still, I'm not suggesting that you, personally have to write every article. Simply, it is true that the more Pathfinder material Wolfgang recieves, the more he has to select from. And the more people who step forward willing to write good articles, the better for all of us. This was even true of Dragon: the more people sending in submissions, the more interesting and diverse the articles were.
Besides which, its a very nice feeling to see your article in print and illustrated. It actually makes the magazin more special to you, not less.
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Kobold Quarterly is ok. I wish they wouldn't smother most of their magazines with 4e material.
I think what the OP wants is a Pathfinder-exclusive magazine. It's obvious why they can't do a print one, but why not a monthly or bi-monthly online magazine?
I also would prefer not to see any 4E material in KQ, but I think it really has to be that way. The reality is that there are lots of people playing Pathfinder and lots of people playing 4E. There are also people still playing 3.5 (although I suspect those people are slowly but surely moving on to Pathfinder)
The current climate means that KQ pretty much must contain material for both the Pathfinder RPG and 4E. Plus, I think each issue tends to be more or less equal with regards to the Pathfinder / 4E ratio.
Having said that, subscribers can always let the magazine know what they would like to see ... if you want to see more Pathfinder content, let them know!
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FWIW, Razz's comment about "smothered in 4E" just isn't true, but I suspect that *any* 4E content might be too much for him.
For every issue since the PF launch, the amount of Pathfinder content has exceeded the amount of 4E content.
That's because we get more Pathfinder submissions than 4E submissions. And because Paizo staffers like James Jacobs, James Sutter, and intern Hank Woon have all written for KQ.
Also, much of what they've given readers for 4E isn't so crunch-reliant that you can't use it somewhat for PFRPG.
+1. KQ is fantastic. I can think of tons of material I used in my game already, from dwarven brews to a spell-less PF ranger, to ecologies of the froghemoth (and going to use the shoggoth once those pesky PCs get farther under the Isle of Dread), to the awesomely written Wicked Fantasy races (as offshoots of the standard ones, not replacements for.), to extradimensional creatures. The city of Zobeck has been mentioned in my campaign world, although not placed or visited, the archdevils have been folded into the courts of Hell...honestly, KQ has been more frequently useful to me in my games than Dragon was, if you don't count the adventure path tie in articles.
I'd love to see the amount of subscriptions and submissions reach the point where a monthly release and bigger staff to ensure that could happen was warranted, but I suspect the realities of the business are that quarterly makes more sense.
If we want more Pathfinder material in KQ, we basically have to write it ourselves?
I'm sorry that kind of defeats the purpose of me BUYING the magazine to begin with. If I'm going to have to end up writing my own articles for my own use for my game, then...Yeah you lost me there bro.Heh. Someone has to write it. And Pathfinder material is more likely to be written by people interested in Pathfinder than not.
Still, I'm not suggesting that you, personally have to write every article. Simply, it is true that the more Pathfinder material Wolfgang recieves, the more he has to select from. And the more people who step forward willing to write good articles, the better for all of us. This was even true of Dragon: the more people sending in submissions, the more interesting and diverse the articles were.
Besides which, its a very nice feeling to see your article in print and illustrated. It actually makes the magazin more special to you, not less.
Wicht you make a great point. I admit, my initial reaction was similar to Shin, but now that I think of it, SOMEONE has to write it.
I have never had anything published though I did submit a few ideas back in the day, so the courage is there.
I think I WILL head on over to KQ and at least see what the guidelines are. My worry is that the bulk of the things I create are either highly ripped off from other peoples work or very specific to my campaign. I stopped worrying about copyright infringement years ago as I never actually thought I would be published and my table was about as far as I ever expected my stuff to get.
I guess what I am afraid of is this: if I create/write I want it usable by all that want it. But to do that, it makes it less likely to be as usable by me. Which in turn means I am less motivated. etc etc.
Either way, thanks for the response.
FWIW, Razz's comment about "smothered in 4E" just isn't true, but I suspect that *any* 4E content might be too much for him.
For every issue since the PF launch, the amount of Pathfinder content has exceeded the amount of 4E content.
That's because we get more Pathfinder submissions than 4E submissions. And because Paizo staffers like James Jacobs, James Sutter, and intern Hank Woon have all written for KQ.
I'd like to add the point that back in the day, not all Dragon articles were for D&D or even TSR games (this is a long time back btw). It used to have wider coverage than that. I never complained about that or thought of it as a negative. The articles, even ones for games I did not play, were often quite interesting. They also gave me insight into other games that I might not have looked at.
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I was just thinking how much I missed Dragon Magazine. I got some great stuff out of those magazines over the years. I wonder if Paizo has given any thought to publishing a magazine again to replace Dragon.If I remember correctly from threads to this effect during the Dungeon/Dragon end times... I believe there was some sort of legal agreement with WotC that prevented Paizo from publishing a magazine (perhaps one of our Paizo overlords will correct me on this). Pathfinder APs, the Dungeon successor, are technically "books".
Monte Cook (and a few others) speculated that this might be the case, but nothing in our license with Wizards prevented us from publishing a magazine.
Pathfinder is a book product primarily because the magazine distribution business is a shrinking, wasteful monster. Logic got us out of the magazine business, not Wizards of the Coast.
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I guess what I am afraid of is this: if I create/write I want it usable by all that want it. But to do that, it makes it less likely to be as usable by me. Which in turn means I am less motivated. etc etc.
Don't sell what you like short. If you like it, you do so for a reason and there is a chance that someone else might have similar tastes as well. And even if they don't, creative, original ideas are stimulating to creative people (which most of us in this hobby, by nature, are). I'll likely never use the Wicked Fantasy races in my games, but they are fun for me to read. Ditto for the 4e material. Just reading someone elses ideas helps me to have fresh ideas of my own.
So, again, don't sell yourself short. And don't be afraid to be whimsical in what you attempt to pitch. If its fun for you to write, chances are better that its fun for someone else to read.
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FWIW, Razz's comment about "smothered in 4E" just isn't true, but I suspect that *any* 4E content might be too much for him.
I can be honest and say yes, thats true for me. I have no interest in rules or background that is 4e-ified. Its like LotR game stuff in white dwarf magazine. Dont like it, dont care for it, dont want it, and every article on it takes away from things I would want to read about.
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I'd like to add the point that back in the day, not all Dragon articles were for D&D or even TSR games (this is a long time back btw). It used to have wider coverage than that. I never complained about that or thought of it as a negative. The articles, even ones for games I did not play, were often quite interesting. They also gave me insight into other games that I might not have looked at.
Right. which is why many of us didnt subscribe. We'd skip the ones we didnt like. Gods know I skipped every april issue there was.
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That is great to hear. :)
PDF certainly has it's place, but I have always been a traditionalist and have always preferred the glossy hardcopy. Just like I always prefer actual books.
I guess I will have to look harder on the magazine then, all I'm seeing (on Paizo) are sales for PDFs.
I don't know where you were looking on the site or how, but if you go to this page and scroll down, you will be able to see which copies are available still in print form. Some are sold out and will, in all probability, remain that way forever.
I don't know where you were looking on the site or how, but if you go to this page and scroll down, you will be able to see which copies are available still in print form. Some are sold out and will, in all probability, remain that way forever.That is great to hear. :)
PDF certainly has it's place, but I have always been a traditionalist and have always preferred the glossy hardcopy. Just like I always prefer actual books.
I guess I will have to look harder on the magazine then, all I'm seeing (on Paizo) are sales for PDFs.
I was seeing the first copies only in PDF. Did not originally see the more current ones in hard copy format.
Is there a way to get an actual subscription than purchasing them separately?
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I don't know where you were looking on the site or how, but if you go to this page and scroll down, you will be able to see which copies are available still in print form. Some are sold out and will, in all probability, remain that way forever.That is great to hear. :)
PDF certainly has it's place, but I have always been a traditionalist and have always preferred the glossy hardcopy. Just like I always prefer actual books.
I guess I will have to look harder on the magazine then, all I'm seeing (on Paizo) are sales for PDFs.
I was seeing the first copies only in PDF. Did not originally see the more current ones in hard copy format.
Is there a way to get an actual subscription than purchasing them separately?
A subscription must be purchased through the Kobold Quarterly Store.
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And since we're talking about submissions, I'll point to the Writer's Guidelines for those.
Kobold Quarterly is the new Dragon.
Pathfinder APs are the new Dungeon.
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Kobold Quarterly is the new Dragon.
Pathfinder APs are the new Dungeon.
I was already subscribed to the APs, but I took a closer look at Kobold Quarterly because of this thread and decided to take the plunge and subscribe to it too.
Should Spanky the Leprechaun get a commission since he was the first to bring Kobold Quarterly up? ;)
I greatly miss it as well, and Paizos run of it was the best era of it hands down.
The production quality was beyond compare in the Paizo era, but I liked it best when there were adventures in it as well as articles for different systems like Top Secret, Marvel Superheroes, etc. Maybe it's just nostalgia, though.
Kobold Quarterly is the new Dragon.
Pathfinder APs are the new Dungeon.I was already subscribed to the APs, but I took a closer look at Kobold Quarterly because of this thread and decided to take the plunge and subscribe to it too.
Should Spanky the Leprechaun get a commission since he was the first to bring Kobold Quarterly up? ;)
In all honesty, after this conversation I most likely will be doing the same. I looked at the price - its super reasonable.
Kobold Quarterly is the new Dragon.
Pathfinder APs are the new Dungeon.
But, aren't the APs concentrated on one adventure (and only one part of 6), where Dungeon had several smaller adventures and even articles?
Now, I've never played an AP, and it's been a long time since I've cracked open a Dungeon magazine, so please correct me if I am wrong.
Kobold Quarterly is the new Dragon.
Pathfinder APs are the new Dungeon.But, aren't the APs concentrated on one adventure (and only one part of 6), where Dungeon had several smaller adventures and even articles?
Now, I've never played an AP, and it's been a long time since I've cracked open a Dungeon magazine, so please correct me if I am wrong.
True. Pathfinder APs are the new Dungeon AP and all that extra stuff like the campaign workshop, wandering monster and what not.
Gamemastery Modules are the other two adventures in Dungeon.
Which really goes to show you just how good of a friggin deal Dungeon was. I don't begrudge the obvious and needed hike in price once the content moved to book form, but yeah. Three adventures plus other stuff for 8 bucks? Phenomenal.
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I think what the OP wants is a Pathfinder-exclusive magazine. It's obvious why they can't do a print one, but why not a monthly or bi-monthly online magazine?
but in all honesty, an all Pathfinder-exclusive magazine would just be superfluous, and certainly not fiscally sound for Paizo.
Between the Chronicles, Companion, and Adventure Path, they have all the material that would go in to such a magazine. And I'm sure it's a lot more profitable with that format of having the three subscription lines.
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i weep daily over the loss of my beloved dragon and dungeon magazines.
that said, kobold quarterly and pathfinder are pretty cool.
And since we're talking about submissions, I'll point to the Writer's Guidelines for those.
Hmmm....