Magister works fine for us. That project I mentioned earlier got cancelled because the *ahem* "freelancer" flaked out. So there is no competition coming from our end. :)
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Steve Creech
DragonWing Games
I would go for Magister or Thaumaturge. High Mage is fine, but sounds like a title (or prestige class).
On a side note: I dont know about any norse meaning of dvergmal, but dvergmål is another word for echo, according to wikipedia.
The word translates in modern norwegian directly to dwarf-talk.
I did not find an explanation of this odd word, but Norway has lots of mountains, so I suppose if you shout at a mountain, the dwarves shout back.
Maybe an archtype for dwarven bards?
å = au (as in Paul)
http://nn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekko
(sadly in norwegian)
Professor Snotlord
So let me get this straight. Paizo creates a class and calls it Magus, which has very little to do with the actual concept of they're class. You guys on the other hand already have a class for which the name actually makes sense and you guys are the ones who have to change? That's pretty messed up, if not egregiously so.
I'm going to throw my vote in with the thaumaturge crowd.
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So let me get this straight. Paizo creates a class and calls it Magus, which has very little to do with the actual concept of they're class. You guys on the other hand already have a class for which the name actually makes sense and you guys are the ones who have to change? That's pretty messed up, if not egregiously so.
I don't think it is have to change it, i think it is they want to change it to avoid confusion. Many people might see the name of a 3pp book and assume it is a book made to support the Pathfinder class of that name and not a new class. But thats my guess.
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So let me get this straight. Paizo creates a class and calls it Magus, which has very little to do with the actual concept of they're class. You guys on the other hand already have a class for which the name actually makes sense and you guys are the ones who have to change? That's pretty messed up, if not egregiously so.
I think you are misunderstanding ...
No one, and certainly not Paizo, is making SGG change the name. SGG just feels as though it is a good idea.
Go back and read Owen's initial post in this very thread - here's a quick refresher:
So, the start of the Ultimate Magic playtest drives home a minor problem for Super Genius Games that I've been putting off thinking about. Clearly, UM is going to have a magus base class that's a fighting mage. We at Super Genius Games released the Genius Guide to the Magus several months ago, which presents a totally different "magus" class as a master spellcaster. I certainly don't expect Paizo to worry about, or even keep track of, names in 3pp products, so this isn't a complaint. We're playing in their sandbox, not the other way around.
But seems to me I'm not going to want a book called the Genius Guide to the Magus as Pathfinder-compatible, when it has nothing to do with the official Pathfinder magus class. (An updated magus also appears in the Adventurer's Handbook, but it went to print before Paizo suggested they were going to have a magus class, so there's nothing I can do about that.) The GGT the Magus still sells well, and I don't want to confuse or disappoint a customer if they buy this after UM comes out expecting something completely different.
So, no one is forcing anyone to do anything. Paizo and SGG get along very well. It's all good! :)
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So let me get this straight. Paizo creates a class and calls it Magus, which has very little to do with the actual concept of they're class. You guys on the other hand already have a class for which the name actually makes sense and you guys are the ones who have to change? That's pretty messed up, if not egregiously so.I don't think it is have to change it, i think it is they want to change it to avoid confusion. Many people might see the name of a 3pp book and assume it is a book made to support the Pathfinder class of that name and not a new class. But thats my guess.
DM is exactly right. Paizo has not required us to change our class name. They've never mentioned it at all. We at SGG just don't want people to see our "magus" book and assume (quite reasonably) that is has to do with the official magus class from U Magic. So, on our own, we decided a name change was in our best interest.
Paizo has never been anything but cool with us. I don't think there's any reason they should worry about 3pp class names when planning there products. And we're all drawing from the same sources, so some overlap is inevitable. We just think the smart thing for us to do is change our class's name, to avoid confusion, for our customers.
Personally, I wish Paizo would change their class to the Magister & you guys could leave yours alone. I never liked Magus as the name for the playtest class.
I never said that Paizo was forcing you to change it. I did realize after I went to bed that some people might take it that way, but was too tired at that point to go back and change it. I've just been against Paizo naming they're class Magus in the first place and now this happens. It's just kind of ironic you know?
Heh, you know, even if you were, say, using Pathfinder to run a certain non-open campaign setting, it does almost make sense that a spellcaster appointed by a goddess to teach magic and called a Magister would serve as a good name for a class that could cast divine and arcane spells.
Or to put it more simply, I'd go with Magister.
I would not go with Thaumaturge because James has indicated they may, even in the future, use the Green Ronin Thaumaturge class from the Book of Fiends, which would then create a semi-official Pathfinder version of that class, and start this whole issue up again.
I'd go with warlock, myself.
I'd go with warlock, myself.
warlock is still kinda taken too...
From what i read about the SGG magus it seems to be my clericy--am i correct?
Strange that no one has suggested vizier? I think it would fit perfectly. I think magister sounds to much like a politician and wasn't thaumaturge or something similar an old prestige class from the Dmg?
I think Magister is fine, as would be Theurgist, or Thaumaturgist.
As someone also suggested, dwoemer in D&D/PF is kind of linked to the underlying structure of magic, which is what it sounds like the SGG Magus is, so I would suggest also to consider Dwoemerist, one who understands that the underlying dwoemer is the important thing, not the outside trappings that limited mortals apply to magic. Divine, Arcane, Spiritual, Alchemical, it's all the same once you realize the underlying truth of magic. :)
While I currently do not own the Magus book, it sounds like the Magus is sort of a master of magic. Masters of course have auhtority, which to me sounds like Magister is the best name.
Magisters in real life held/hold authoirty of various sorts and the Magister in FR were/are supposed to be sort of be all, end all of magic after a fashion.
Magister definitely gets my vote.
Thaumaturge gets a BIG thumbs down/hell no from me for two reason:
1) It's a divine-only, summoner PrC found in the 3.5 DMG, or has everyone just totally forgotten that??
2) worse than that, to me at least, is Thaumaturgy is the form of vampiric sorcery used in Vampire the Masquerade and since my RPG roots are firmly in VtM and WW in general, seeing the name used for anything else bothers n irked me.
MAGISTER!!!!
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It's a little awe-inspiring to see thread voodoo this powerful. :)
From what i read about the SGG magus it seems to be my clericy--am i correct?Our magus is designed as a hybrid spellcaster, able to draw from multiple lists. It could come off as a form of cleric. Or a form of sorcerer. Or a hybrid bard/druid. It's all in how you build it.
It's also on sale right now, if you just want to pick it up and see for yourself. besides after we change the name, these early PDFs might become rare collectibles! Or.... something.
I vote for "Hank".