Catoblepas?


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Scarab Sages

Is anyone aware of a Pathfinder compatible version of this old-time monster? Heck, is anyone aware of an OGC version?


Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Now theres one I havent seen in ages. I dont remember seeing this critter since my AD&D days in Junior High.

After a quick google search wikipedia says:

"The catoblepas appeared in the third edition in Dragon #299 (September 2002), and then the Monster Manual II (2002).[5]"


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber
Kolokotroni wrote:

Now theres one I havent seen in ages. I dont remember seeing this critter since my AD&D days in Junior High.

After a quick google search wikipedia says:

"The catoblepas appeared in the third edition in Dragon #299 (September 2002), and then the Monster Manual II (2002).[5]"

Not to mention in most of the Final Fantasy games.

/Threadjack


I'm not aware of an OGC version. If I were to make one, I'd probably use the Bison as a base creature, replace the gore/stampede/trample with a variable poisonous aura (always active in a cloud around the beast, damage based on what poisonous plants are local for the beast to eat--could be black lotus, striped toadstool, etc.), and add a gaze attack that works like the Basilisk, but is a 1-Round Action (Full-Round Action; comes into effect just before the beginning of it's next turn) to use due to the effort in lifting it's head. I'd peg the thing around a CR 5-7, depending on what poisonous plant(s) it's eaten. Shift the feats to Toughness, Endurance, and Diehard.

That should be a pretty good representation of the classical creature.

Sovereign Court Contributor

Looks like you got your answer, Owen, but let me say that I LOVE this monster! Always have. Real soft spot for it.


I'm pretty sure that the Catoblepas will be featured in the upcoming, Forgotten Foes by Tricky Owlbear... I'm also pretty sure that I commissioned art for the big fellow! :)

- Axel
Headless Hydra Games

Scarab Sages

Brekkil wrote:
I'm pretty sure that the Catoblepas will be featured in the upcoming, Forgotten Foes by Tricky Owlbear... I'm also pretty sure that I commissioned art for the big fellow! :)

That due out anytime soon? I have an upcoming project I'm thinking of using one in, and I'd rather support someone else's OGL take on it than create a competing one.

Liberty's Edge

im pretty sure theres a catoblepas in one of the APs.

Scarab Sages

Paladinosaur wrote:
im pretty sure theres a catoblepas in one of the APs.

It would be awesome if that's the case, but I haven't found one. Any idea which AP you think has it?

The Exchange Kobold Press

There's also a Bestiary 2 shipping in the not-too-distant future. Perhaps a Paizonian would care to comment on the Catoblep-enation of that volume?


Don't know about catoblepas... BUT Jimmy J. did mention that Charybdis and Scylla will both be in BESTIARY II. Here are some direct quote's from last week's PF Chat.

Quote:
07/09/2010 21:08:21 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith: The monster I was working on when I left work was Scylla. ALAS: the art doesn't quite match the design, so I need to do a bit of rebuilding of the stats.
Quote:
07/09/2010 21:08:57 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs: As in Scylla and Charibdys?
Quote:
07/09/2010 21:09:17 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant: Yup. Whcih means there's a charibdys in Bestiary 2 as well, of course.

Paizo Employee Managing Developer

How did the catoblepas never end up in the ToH books?

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Card Game, Rulebook Subscriber
Adam Daigle wrote:
How did the catoblepas never end up in the ToH books?

That was my first thought.

Liberty's Edge

I recall one in Dragon at or about the time the MMII came out. I presume the Dragon version was a preview (and protected content, I expect?).

I recall that we created a model for this monster for NWN which we never released (we used ref art from the Dragon article as I recall) but as we were sheltering under BioWare's license, we never paid much heed to OGC issues.

Liberty's Edge

I found it, but sadly it is in the monster manual II, but it isn't be hard to convert.

Paizo Employee Franchise Manager

Paladinosaur wrote:
I found it, but sadly it is in the monster manual II, but it isn't be hard to convert.

While those stats aren't OGC, the catoblepas is a creature from real-world myth (Ethiopia), so there's nothing stopping it from being included in a Pathfinder book in the future. Whether that's the Bestiary II or a later volume, dunno.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Wolfgang Baur wrote:
There's also a Bestiary 2 shipping in the not-too-distant future. Perhaps a Paizonian would care to comment on the Catoblep-enation of that volume?

There will be a catoblepas in Bestiary 2.

It never ended up in the Tome of Horror books because it ended up in Monster Manual 2. When Necromancer Games put out the Tome of Horrors, they didn't duplicate anything that was already in print, basically. As a result, there are quite a few monsters in both "Monster Manual 2" and "Monsters of Faerun" that live in a weird and annoying ghetto where no one really can use them, since they're closed content for 3.0.

Silver Crusade

James Jacobs wrote:
Wolfgang Baur wrote:
There's also a Bestiary 2 shipping in the not-too-distant future. Perhaps a Paizonian would care to comment on the Catoblep-enation of that volume?
There will be a catoblepas in Bestiary 2.

As long as it's buttugly, I'll be happy.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Mikaze wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Wolfgang Baur wrote:
There's also a Bestiary 2 shipping in the not-too-distant future. Perhaps a Paizonian would care to comment on the Catoblep-enation of that volume?
There will be a catoblepas in Bestiary 2.
As long as it's buttugly, I'll be happy.

It is. You will be.


Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
Brekkil wrote:
I'm pretty sure that the Catoblepas will be featured in the upcoming, Forgotten Foes by Tricky Owlbear... I'm also pretty sure that I commissioned art for the big fellow! :)
That due out anytime soon? I have an upcoming project I'm thinking of using one in, and I'd rather support someone else's OGL take on it than create a competing one.

It's due out next month (we hope!). I've sent you an email if you'd like those stats sooner though. ;)

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James Jacobs wrote:
Mikaze wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Wolfgang Baur wrote:
There's also a Bestiary 2 shipping in the not-too-distant future. Perhaps a Paizonian would care to comment on the Catoblep-enation of that volume?
There will be a catoblepas in Bestiary 2.
As long as it's buttugly, I'll be happy.
It is. You will be.

I always loved Flaubert's soliloquy from the catoblepas in his Temptation of Saint Anthony:

Obese, downhearted, wary, I do nothing but feel under my belly warm mud. My head is so heavy that I cannot bear its weight. It wind it slowly around my body; with half-open jaws, I pull up with my tongue poisonous plants dampened by my breath. Once, I ate my forelegs unawares.

No one, Anthony, has ever seen my eyes; or else, those who have seen them have died. If I were to lift my eyelids -- my pink and swollen eyelids -- you would die on the spot.

Such a wonderful pathetic chatty monster.

Sovereign Court

James Jacobs wrote:
As a result, there are quite a few monsters in both "Monster Manual 2" and "Monsters of Faerun" that live in a weird and annoying ghetto where no one really can use them, since they're closed content for 3.0.

These are all quite cool beasties from Monsters of Faerun.

abalin
crawling claw
curst
gibberling
green warder
helmed horror
hybsil
leucrotta
peryton
quaggoth
wemic

The crawling claw is a horror trope, might need a new name but you can still have it. Hybsils and Wemics are variant centaurs and the green warder is a variant ent. The leucrotta and peryton are from myth. The rest are out, I won't really mourn any of them.

Monster Manual 2

banshee
bogun
breath drinker
crimson death
effigy
firbolg
fomorian
galeb duhr
glimmerskin
grell
grimalkin
jahi
megalodon
mooncalf
myconids
neogi
nimblewright
phoenix
sirine
spriggan
sylph
thri-keen

Off the top of my head - banshee, mooncalf, firbolg, formorian, grimalkin, jahi, megalodon, phoenix, sirine, spriggan and sylph are all mythic.
Grell and neogi are older words but the monsters are definitely dnd (which is a shame, great monsters). Obviously the ones we'll miss are thri-keen and... no, just grell, neogi and thri-keen.

Doing a speedy golem won't get anyone in any trouble, neither will flaming-templates added to skeletons.

Obviously this is just my opinion but compared to the MM1 stuff excluded from the OGL these are small beer.


James Jacobs wrote:
Mikaze wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Wolfgang Baur wrote:
There's also a Bestiary 2 shipping in the not-too-distant future. Perhaps a Paizonian would care to comment on the Catoblep-enation of that volume?
There will be a catoblepas in Bestiary 2.
As long as it's buttugly, I'll be happy.
It is. You will be.

::Summon Preview Art II::


GeraintElberion wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
As a result, there are quite a few monsters in both "Monster Manual 2" and "Monsters of Faerun" that live in a weird and annoying ghetto where no one really can use them, since they're closed content for 3.0.
The crawling claw is a horror trope, might need a new name but you can still have it.

Actually, this ISN'T one of them. The Crawling Claw was released through the d20 Modern SDR. Here's a link to the RTF FILE you want: Menace Creatures A-I.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

GeraintElberion wrote:
...wrote a list of mosnters...

Of the mosnters you've listed, quite a few of them are actually from mythology, from the public domain, or open content. I'm re-listing them below. If there's an asterisk after them, that means we've done stats for them already in an Adventure Path and that they're going to end up reprinted in Bestiary 2.

crawling claw*
leucrotta*
peryton*
banshee*
firbolg
fomorian
grimalkin
jahi
megalodon (already in the Bestiary)
mooncalf (a real word for a deformed animal)
phoenix (already in the Bestiary)
sirine*
spriggan*
sylph*

Paizo Employee Franchise Manager

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
::Summon Preview Art II::

That's a delayed burst summon art preview, yes? The one with a two day casting time? I think you'll find your caster level check sufficient.

Silver Crusade

Real quick on the mooncalf: the name is public domain, but the alien batwinged octopus head thing isn't. Still, opens up the word to new horrifying interpretations!

James Jacobs wrote:
Mikaze wrote:


As long as it's buttugly, I'll be happy.
It is. You will be.

<3


Mark Moreland wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
::Summon Preview Art II::
That's a delayed burst summon art preview, yes? The one with a two day casting time? I think you'll find your caster level check sufficient.

A-go-ny!

The Exchange

Some of those can be found on d20pfsrd.com:

leucrotta
peryton
banshee
megalodon
phoenix

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