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Spastic Puma wrote:


My favorite: I'm torn between River of Darkness and Entombed With The Pharaohs
Least favorite: Flight of the Red Raven

I wonder if you read my Pathfinder Society adventure, "Requiem for the Red Raven". It's in many ways the adventure that I wished Flight had been, or at least my answer to the promise of the original module, if not necessarily the execution.


I know outsiders come from the souls of mortals or from a deity willing them into existence or a demigod using miracle to bring them into existence.

But do outsiders just spawn from the ether of the outer plane its race comes from?


Erik Mona wrote:
Spastic Puma wrote:


My favorite: I'm torn between River of Darkness and Entombed With The Pharaohs
Least favorite: Flight of the Red Raven

I wonder if you read my Pathfinder Society adventure, "Requiem for the Red Raven". It's in many ways the adventure that I wished Flight had been, or at least my answer to the promise of the original module, if not necessarily the execution.

I just popped it open. It has a medusa so it's probably already a winner in my book xD

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James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:

1)How does Desna view Iomedae?

2) How does Iomedae view Desna?

1) As a control freak and an upstart more interested in glory than in what's good for her worshipers.

2) As a hippie and weird old goddess more interested in making decisions without thinking through the consequences than planning for the long term.

They certainly respect each other's power... but they're not big fans of each other.

Has Iomedae killed a Demon Lord yet? Nooooo. Score one for Desna :3


James Jacobs wrote:
Graeme Lewis wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Graeme Lewis wrote:
Where on Golarion would it be easiest to walk down a street and hear a language that isn't "Golarion-Native" (not talking like Elven or Gnomish, but, say, English or Triaxian)? Which Non-Golarion languages would be most common in that city?

Kaer-Maga, perhaps, which has a HUGE amount of languages.

Certainly Katapesh, which would have a wide range as well.

Definately Starfall. The language that you'd hear there but almost nowhere else hasn't yet been revealed though...

So Hajoth Hakados doesn't make the list?

Nope. It does not, Nor does any other city in Numeria.

The question was "What are some places where it would be easiest to hear a non-Golarion language?" Not "What are ALL of the places where it would be POSSIBLE to hear a non-Golarion language?"

Fair enough, and I can imagine that if it were the latter there'd be some poor-as-dirt ice farmer family in the ghettos of Whitethrone whose great-great-great-grandpappy migrated there from Triaxus or who was cursed by a hag to only speak Eoxian or something. I just thought Hajoth Hakados might be higher up on the list, given

Numeria, Land of Fallen Stars info:
that it's basically the central hub of the Underground Railroad But For Aliens And Technology.

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I plan to make a PFS character who is a king, but has left his kingdom for the Inner Sea and intends to make himself as anonymous as possible, not wanting the life and responsibilities of a royal.

From what I understand, not all of Golarion has been fully realised, making this concept possible.

What rough area of Golarion could I possibly use from where he can hail from? Not distant Tian Xia - somewhere on Golarion that you guys hasn't talked about yet. What that country is about is inconsequential, I can make that up and the character will be long gone before you guys get to it.

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Joana wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:

1)How does Desna view Iomedae?

2) How does Iomedae view Desna?

1) As a control freak and an upstart more interested in glory than in what's good for her worshipers.

2) As a hippie and weird old goddess more interested in making decisions without thinking through the consequences than planning for the long term.

They certainly respect each other's power... but they're not big fans of each other.

Without getting spoileriffic, do you think a Desnan PC could successfully run through Wrath of the Righteous? How might a Chaotic PC react to the more Lawful aspects of the AP?

A Desnan PC would work VERY WELL in Wrath. In fact, there's a significantly awesome Desna-themed event that happens in there.

A chaotic PC will do fine. The AP isn't about forcing law down anyone's throat at all—if there is, that's something other players or the GM added to the Adventure Path. The crusades are very much intended to be welcoming of all types of heroes, after all. And in fact, there are plenty of points where parties and characters who are too wedded to law could well find themselves in more trouble than if they'd had some chaotic friends to help or to provide alternate plans.

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xavier c wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:

1)What is the best way for a mythic human with the Divine Source power to spread there faith to other mortal races like elves and dwarfs?

2)why would a elf or dwarf worship a human?

3)What is the best way for a mythic human with the Divine Source power to spread there faith to prideful creatures like dragons?

3)why would a dragon worship a human?

4)What is the best way for a mythic human with the Divine Source power to spread there faith to outsiders like angels?(to get outsider minions)

5)you said outsiders view mortals as animals.so why would a outsider worship and serve a mortal

1) By doing missionary work, both on your own and via your current worshipers.

2) Personal choices.

3) See #1 above.

3) See #2 above.

4) See #1 above.

5) Not all outsiders view mortals as animals. Some do. Some do not. If your mortal is powerful enough to have become a mythic character who can grant spells... that is in and of itself reason for an outsider to sit up and take note—that mortal is unlike pretty much EVERY OTHER MORTAL IN EXISTENCE with a very very very few number of exceptions.

So you just walk up to them and be like "i'm a god you want to worship me"?

That won't cut it. That's 1st level commoner talk. Talk like a high level, high charisma, mythic scion of awesomeness.

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Erik Mona wrote:
After Gen Con I plan to start up my campaigns again (it's been about 2 years since the last session).

WOO HOOOOOO!

(Dusts Shensen off before she slips into the folder next to Tyralandi!)

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xavier c wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:
Will you guys talk about the cosmetic features of the outsider minions of different gods in future deity articles?
About the same as we did in all the previous ones.
In Wrath of the Righteous yes.In inner sea gods no

I wasn't talking about Inner Sea Gods there.

The format for the deity articles will remain mostly the same as they did in the Adventure Paths, with the addition of the new obedience stuff. We'll continue to publish heralds for the deities as appropriate. We have no plans for publishing additional lower CR creatures for them.

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xavier c wrote:

I know outsiders come from the souls of mortals or from a deity willing them into existence or a demigod using miracle to bring them into existence.

But do outsiders just spawn from the ether of the outer plane its race comes from?

I'm not sure what you're asking, especially since there is no "ether" in the outer planes. The Ethereal Plane is very much an Inner Plane thing.

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Rysky wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:

1)How does Desna view Iomedae?

2) How does Iomedae view Desna?

1) As a control freak and an upstart more interested in glory than in what's good for her worshipers.

2) As a hippie and weird old goddess more interested in making decisions without thinking through the consequences than planning for the long term.

They certainly respect each other's power... but they're not big fans of each other.

Has Iomedae killed a Demon Lord yet? Nooooo. Score one for Desna :3

Well... in fairness... Desna's a lot LOT older than Iomedae. Desna's had untold millions of years, if not more, to do stuff. She can recall a time when there were no demons at all, after all.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Joana wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:

1)How does Desna view Iomedae?

2) How does Iomedae view Desna?

1) As a control freak and an upstart more interested in glory than in what's good for her worshipers.

2) As a hippie and weird old goddess more interested in making decisions without thinking through the consequences than planning for the long term.

They certainly respect each other's power... but they're not big fans of each other.

Without getting spoileriffic, do you think a Desnan PC could successfully run through Wrath of the Righteous? How might a Chaotic PC react to the more Lawful aspects of the AP?

A Desnan PC would work VERY WELL in Wrath. In fact, there's a significantly awesome Desna-themed event that happens in there.

A chaotic PC will do fine. The AP isn't about forcing law down anyone's throat at all—if there is, that's something other players or the GM added to the Adventure Path. The crusades are very much intended to be welcoming of all types of heroes, after all. And in fact, there are plenty of points where parties and characters who are too wedded to law could well find themselves in more trouble than if they'd had some chaotic friends to help or to provide alternate plans.

What about a follower of Shelyn in Wrath?

Slightly related, how do you feel about a heavily Xenomorph influenced Qlippoth-Spawn Tiefling?

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Graeme Lewis wrote:

Fair enough, and I can imagine that if it were the latter there'd be some poor-as-dirt ice farmer family in the ghettos of Whitethrone whose great-great-great-grandpappy migrated there from Triaxus or who was cursed by a hag to only speak Eoxian or something. I just thought Hajoth Hakados might be higher up on the list, given

** spoiler omitted **

A place like that? You wouldn't expect to hear the underground secret languages spoken aloud while you're just walking down the street anyway.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Rysky wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:

1)How does Desna view Iomedae?

2) How does Iomedae view Desna?

1) As a control freak and an upstart more interested in glory than in what's good for her worshipers.

2) As a hippie and weird old goddess more interested in making decisions without thinking through the consequences than planning for the long term.

They certainly respect each other's power... but they're not big fans of each other.

Has Iomedae killed a Demon Lord yet? Nooooo. Score one for Desna :3
Well... in fairness... Desna's a lot LOT older than Iomedae. Desna's had untold millions of years, if not more, to do stuff. She can recall a time when there were no demons at all, after all.

"Back in my day we only had one type of Evil Outsider! And we were grateful!"

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James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:

I know outsiders come from the souls of mortals or from a deity willing them into existence or a demigod using miracle to bring them into existence.

But do outsiders just spawn from the ether of the outer plane its race comes from?

I'm not sure what you're asking, especially since there is no "ether" in the outer planes. The Ethereal Plane is very much an Inner Plane thing.

I think they were just referring to the core planestuff that makes up said planes.

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Avatar-1 wrote:

I plan to make a PFS character who is a king, but has left his kingdom for the Inner Sea and intends to make himself as anonymous as possible, not wanting the life and responsibilities of a royal.

From what I understand, not all of Golarion has been fully realised, making this concept possible.

What rough area of Golarion could I possibly use from where he can hail from? Not distant Tian Xia - somewhere on Golarion that you guys hasn't talked about yet. What that country is about is inconsequential, I can make that up and the character will be long gone before you guys get to it.

Huh. Best of luck.

That's not really a character arc that works well, in my opinion, for a campaign of the format of Pathfinder Society. It might be better if you played your character as kinda crazy, a lunatic who THINKS he's a king, but in fact is not.

There is no area on Golarion that fits your requirements. We have not set aside any part of Golarion as a "GM Plot Reserve" for specific GMs to do with as they will with no fear that we'll ever go in and detail it. That's not the point of a published campaign setting, and it's a disservice to do something like that.

Remember, when you play in PFS, you're not playing in a personalized game with a dedicated GM who's able to alter or shift canon to suit his players. You're playing in a masively multiplayer game shared by thousands of other players and GMs who all share a single world between them. Playing a character like a king who's abandoned his kingdom in the way you're plotting is not only disrespecting the assumptions of everyone else in the campaign about the world their characters are in, but it's also setting yourself up for frustration and annoyance when GM after GM doesn't want to play along with your storyline.

Certain character backgrounds are GREAT for home games, in other words, but really don't work well at all for massively multiplayer campaigns.

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Rysky wrote:

What about a follower of Shelyn in Wrath?

Slightly related, how do you feel about a heavily Xenomorph influenced Qlippoth-Spawn Tiefling?

There's some cool Shelyn stuff in there as well. And some cool Sarenrae stuff also while we're at it.

As for Xenomorph stuff... I'm actually something of a purist these days when it comes to them. I really like them a LOT in Alien and Aliens. I even kinda like them in Alien 3. I like the stuff in Prometheus (except for the dumb script elements). I'm not a fan of how they developed the story in Alien 4, and the Aliens Vs Predator seem silly to me. Once you get down into the rabithole of mixing aliens with things like tieflings or other stuff outside of the universe created by Alien/Aliens/Prometheus, I get progressively more into the "That's kinda silly" side of things... sorry!

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Rysky wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:

I know outsiders come from the souls of mortals or from a deity willing them into existence or a demigod using miracle to bring them into existence.

But do outsiders just spawn from the ether of the outer plane its race comes from?

I'm not sure what you're asking, especially since there is no "ether" in the outer planes. The Ethereal Plane is very much an Inner Plane thing.
I think they were just referring to the core planestuff that makes up said planes.

That stuff has a name: quintessence.

If that's the case, then yes... new outsiders do sometimes spontaneously manifest from an outer plane's quintessence. The whole point of the outer planes is to be so enormous that they're nearly (but not actually) infinite, and that's so that there's plenty of room for anything that anyone anytime and anywhere can imagine.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Rysky wrote:

What about a follower of Shelyn in Wrath?

Slightly related, how do you feel about a heavily Xenomorph influenced Qlippoth-Spawn Tiefling?

There's some cool Shelyn stuff in there as well. And some cool Sarenrae stuff also while we're at it.

As for Xenomorph stuff... I'm actually something of a purist these days when it comes to them. I really like them a LOT in Alien and Aliens. I even kinda like them in Alien 3. I like the stuff in Prometheus (except for the dumb script elements). I'm not a fan of how they developed the story in Alien 4, and the Aliens Vs Predator seem silly to me. Once you get down into the rabithole of mixing aliens with things like tieflings or other stuff outside of the universe created by Alien/Aliens/Prometheus, I get progressively more into the "That's kinda silly" side of things... sorry!

Fooie, I thought incorporating Xeno stuff would be a good fit for something Qlippoth related. Differences in likes I guess.


Rysky wrote:


Fooie, I thought incorporating Xeno stuff would be a good fit for something Qlippoth related. Differences in likes I guess.

I have to admit i wouldnt go as far as calling it a "xenomorph" hybrid... but i would love the idea that Black Acid dragons were made with the theme of Xenomorphs in mind. Your Tiefling could be a dragon disciple / Half-dragon type of deal with the Black Dragon Bloodline. ^^;;

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Dracoknight wrote:
Rysky wrote:


Fooie, I thought incorporating Xeno stuff would be a good fit for something Qlippoth related. Differences in likes I guess.
I have to admit i wouldnt go as far as calling it a "xenomorph" hybrid... but i would love the idea that Black Acid dragons were made with the theme of Xenomorphs in mind. Your Tiefling could be a dragon disciple / Half-dragon type of deal with the Black Dragon Bloodline. ^^;;

Hmm, filing that away in the idea folder for later, thankies.


You know, I've skimmed through this thread a lot, I think this might be the first time I've ever gotten to the most recent page though.

I've got a few questions for you James;

How do cities and towns react in general to adventurers? Are they heroes? Vigilantes? Something in between?

What about Mythic characters? Do they radiate some kind of aura that lets everyone know that they're "better"? Can mythic creatures recognize one another as mythic?

What's a town or city with guards who probably range from level 2-5 supposed to do when a party of level 10 adventurers don't bother following laws? If they're murdering people in the streets and lighting taverns on fire or generally being evil I can see the town putting out a bounty on them and attempting to overwhelm the party with numbers, but what about petty crimes from a party that's chaotic but not malintentioned? If a PC saunters around town in the buff would the local authorities try to arrest them for public indecency? What about carrying illegal substances or kender-esque petty theft? Does "might make right" when it comes to what PCs are able to get away with, legally speaking?

Come to think of it, Golarion is typically a more open and accepting world than Earth, what sort of things are accepted there that are shunned or even criminalized on large portions of our space rock? Everyone is assumed to be bisexual unless otherwise stated, so presumably marriage is between any two consenting adults (adult humanoids(using the technical not the in game definition)?), but what about things like naturalism, transgender issues, contraception, recreational drugs, open relationships, blasphemy, and other things that Americans, for example, tend to get up in arms about?

And lastly, what's the Golarion official opinion of spells like Charm Person, Suggestion, and Dominate? They all have the potential to be used for good reasons, but they are so much easier to use for personal profit at another's expense, doesn't that make them evil? Or is manipulating someone like that a chaotic act? Animate Dead has the same potential for being used for good, but it has the evil descriptor. Most people I know consider stripping someone's free will and agency away to be a far greater evil than animating a mindless husk to use as manual labor or a meat shield.

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Dracoknight wrote:
Rysky wrote:


Fooie, I thought incorporating Xeno stuff would be a good fit for something Qlippoth related. Differences in likes I guess.
I have to admit i wouldnt go as far as calling it a "xenomorph" hybrid... but i would love the idea that Black Acid dragons were made with the theme of Xenomorphs in mind. Your Tiefling could be a dragon disciple / Half-dragon type of deal with the Black Dragon Bloodline. ^^;;

To be totally honest, Black Dragons having acid were around years before Aliens and xenomorphs came out.

==Aelryinth


Aelryinth wrote:

To be totally honest, Black Dragons having acid were around years before Aliens and xenomorphs came out.

==Aelryinth

Totally aware of that, but its just the xeno "look" of the dragon, makes it hella scary.

On the other hand: Desril... thats some damn good questions!


James,

Golarion-wise, wich of the following kinds of vampires is more directly linked to Zura (specially concerning their origins): The moroi (standard vampire) or the nosferatu?

I ask because I am planning to use a clandestine but powerful clan of vampires that worship said demon lord in my mythic campaign. The idea is that the leader of the cult is a semi-legendary azlant vampire who some say was "alive" before Earthfall . Any advice would be greatly appreciated, if you can spare one of two random thoughts about the subject.

Thank you very much!

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Rysky wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Rysky wrote:

What about a follower of Shelyn in Wrath?

Slightly related, how do you feel about a heavily Xenomorph influenced Qlippoth-Spawn Tiefling?

There's some cool Shelyn stuff in there as well. And some cool Sarenrae stuff also while we're at it.

As for Xenomorph stuff... I'm actually something of a purist these days when it comes to them. I really like them a LOT in Alien and Aliens. I even kinda like them in Alien 3. I like the stuff in Prometheus (except for the dumb script elements). I'm not a fan of how they developed the story in Alien 4, and the Aliens Vs Predator seem silly to me. Once you get down into the rabithole of mixing aliens with things like tieflings or other stuff outside of the universe created by Alien/Aliens/Prometheus, I get progressively more into the "That's kinda silly" side of things... sorry!

Fooie, I thought incorporating Xeno stuff would be a good fit for something Qlippoth related. Differences in likes I guess.

For me, the right place for the alien stuff to fit in would be the Dark Tapestry. Not Lovecraft, and PROBABLY not the Dominion of the Black, but in the Dark Tapestry as a whole. It's specifically that kind of story and horror that the Dark Tapestry is all about.


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Desril wrote:

You know, I've skimmed through this thread a lot, I think this might be the first time I've ever gotten to the most recent page though.

I've got a few questions for you James;

How do cities and towns react in general to adventurers? Are they heroes? Vigilantes? Something in between?

What about Mythic characters? Do they radiate some kind of aura that lets everyone know that they're "better"? Can mythic creatures recognize one another as mythic?

What's a town or city with guards who probably range from level 2-5 supposed to do when a party of level 10 adventurers don't bother following laws? If they're murdering people in the streets and lighting taverns on fire or generally being evil I can see the town putting out a bounty on them and attempting to overwhelm the party with numbers, but what about petty crimes from a party that's chaotic but not malintentioned? If a PC saunters around town in the buff would the local authorities try to arrest them for public indecency? What about carrying illegal substances or kender-esque petty theft? Does "might make right" when it comes to what PCs are able to get away with, legally speaking?

Come to think of it, Golarion is typically a more open and accepting world than Earth, what sort of things are accepted there that are shunned or even criminalized on large portions of our space rock? Everyone is assumed to be bisexual unless otherwise stated, so presumably marriage is between any two consenting adults (adult humanoids(using the technical not the in game definition)?), but what about things like naturalism, transgender issues, contraception, recreational drugs, open relationships, blasphemy, and other things that Americans, for example, tend to get up in arms about?

And lastly, what's the Golarion official opinion of spells like Charm Person, Suggestion, and Dominate? They all have the potential to be used for good reasons, but they are so much easier to use for personal profit at another's expense, doesn't that make them evil? Or is manipulating someone like that a chaotic act? Animate Dead has the same potential for being used for good, but it has the evil descriptor. Most people I know consider stripping someone's free will and agency away to be a far greater evil than animating a mindless husk to use as manual labor or a meat shield.

The answer to most of your questions is pretty much, "It varies by region." For example, in a place like Riddleport, adventurers would blend in with the rest of the riff-raff and would probably not warrant a second glance, but in Sandpoint, they're heroes. In a place like Katapesh, the use of mind control magic to keep slaves in line is fine (but using it on the street against a free person is the same as using any weapon and is illegal), but in a place like the Land of the Linnorm Kings it's an invitation to get attacked. It really varies a lot.

Mythic characters are intended to be rare enough that they don't have a "standardized" reaction to them. Being mythic isn't enough to let folks know you're better... but pretty much ALL of the powers that mythic folks gain have some pretty unmistakable signs. Furthermore, the way a mythic character acts sets her apart. Mythic creatures can't instinctively "scent" other mythic creatures, but you can assume that when a creature rolls a surge die that they would.

As for the poor town guards being walked all over by higher level PCs... hopefully, your PCs don't do that kind of thing, but if you do have players who insist on being overbearing like that, you should take the time to talk to the players and say something like, "I know you know you're more powerful than the guards, but if you keep disrespecting them and acting like the law doesn't apply to you, the nature of the campaign I'm running will change drastically. Probably into a campaign I'm not interested in running for you." Also, ask the players WHY they're being jerks to the guards... it may be they have a reason that makes sense to them that you never considered. For example, the PCs might just be reacting to the guards with the same disrespect the guards show them. It's normal in games for a GM to portray a city guard as arrogant or without much patience for low level PCs... but once the players are higher level, the guards need to start being respectful and helpful BECAUSE they should know they're outclassed. By the time PCs reach 10th level or so... they have reputations. The guards know this.

If the PCs continue to act in disrespectful ways, then you might not have a choice other than just changing the nature of the game and having the guards arrest the PCs. If the PCs fight back and kill or incapacitate the guards... the city will react in the same way the would if a monster were attacking. The PCs will find themselves the source of fear. They won't be able to buy stuff from stores. They won't be able to talk to NPCs to get clues to the adventure. They won't be able to rest in town. They could probably take what they need by force, but that only further sends them down that rabbit hole, and they should have alignment repurcussions that drift them toward chaos and/or evil as appropriate. EVENTUALLY their actions will attract the attention of REAL heroes, and you can start throwing parties of good and lawful NPC adventurers at them, or vengeful outsiders, or even something like a guardian good dragon or the like. That may be, after all, the campaign your disruptive players want... and if you don't have a problem running that kind of game, that's fine. But if you DO want to run the game you set out to run, you have to tell the players that.

What they're doing if they keep attacking the city guards is not really any different than the person who goes to a movie and talks during it or walks around and throws popcorn at the other movie goers. They're being disruptive. Call them on it.

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Dracoknight wrote:
Aelryinth wrote:

To be totally honest, Black Dragons having acid were around years before Aliens and xenomorphs came out.

==Aelryinth

Totally aware of that, but its just the xeno "look" of the dragon, makes it hella scary.

On the other hand: Desril... thats some damn good questions!

There's no questions for me in this discussion... looks like it's time to take it elsewhere on the boards; thanks!

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Ral' Yareth wrote:

James,

Golarion-wise, wich of the following kinds of vampires is more directly linked to Zura (specially concerning their origins): The moroi (standard vampire) or the nosferatu?

I ask because I am planning to use a clandestine but powerful clan of vampires that worship said demon lord in my mythic campaign. The idea is that the leader of the cult is a semi-legendary azlant vampire who some say was "alive" before Earthfall . Any advice would be greatly appreciated, if you can spare one of two random thoughts about the subject.

Thank you very much!

Both the standard and the nosferatu are linked to Zura. She's the demon lord of pretty much all vampires, and any of them would make sense to be linked to her.

So you should approach it from the ground up. Pick one of the two groups you prefer to be chaotic evil demon worshipers, and make the other group of vampires neutral evil and perhaps worship Urgathoa. Or keep them chaotic evil but just don't have them worship Zura.

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xavier c wrote:
Will you guys be recording your Seminars at paizocon 2014 . As i wont be able to go

We have never recorded our seminars officially, but there are always folks in the audience who record them. What they do with those recordings... I can't say because I don't know. I assume some of them will be posted online to blogs or youtube or whatever, but we don't track where they show up.


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James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:
Will you guys be recording your Seminars at paizocon 2014 . As i wont be able to go
We have never recorded our seminars officially, but there are always folks in the audience who record them. What they do with those recordings... I can't say because I don't know. I assume some of them will be posted online to blogs or youtube or whatever, but we don't track where they show up.

Watch the Know Direction podcast starting next week they usually post them.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Avatar-1 wrote:

I plan to make a PFS character who is a king, but has left his kingdom for the Inner Sea and intends to make himself as anonymous as possible, not wanting the life and responsibilities of a royal.

From what I understand, not all of Golarion has been fully realised, making this concept possible.

What rough area of Golarion could I possibly use from where he can hail from? Not distant Tian Xia - somewhere on Golarion that you guys hasn't talked about yet. What that country is about is inconsequential, I can make that up and the character will be long gone before you guys get to it.

Huh. Best of luck.

That's not really a character arc that works well, in my opinion, for a campaign of the format of Pathfinder Society. It might be better if you played your character as kinda crazy, a lunatic who THINKS he's a king, but in fact is not.

There is no area on Golarion that fits your requirements. We have not set aside any part of Golarion as a "GM Plot Reserve" for specific GMs to do with as they will with no fear that we'll ever go in and detail it. That's not the point of a published campaign setting, and it's a disservice to do something like that.

Remember, when you play in PFS, you're not playing in a personalized game with a dedicated GM who's able to alter or shift canon to suit his players. You're playing in a masively multiplayer game shared by thousands of other players and GMs who all share a single world between them. Playing a character like a king who's abandoned his kingdom in the way you're plotting is not only disrespecting the assumptions of everyone else in the campaign about the world their characters are in, but it's also setting yourself up for frustration and annoyance when GM after GM doesn't want to play along with your storyline.

Certain character backgrounds are GREAT for home games, in other words, but really don't work well at all for massively multiplayer campaigns.

You've misunderstood me, I don't want any GM or player to accommodate me, I just want to be able to roleplay someone who wants to distance themselves from that life. I don't expect to say something like "I want to make contact with someone from my old kingdom via telepathic means" or scrying or some silliness that creates exactly what you're talking about, I would just consciously avoid that, which is easy because the character has no interest in having any connection with his old kingdom anyway.

To put it another way, for all intents and purposes, he may well be someone who is kind of crazy/a lunatic who thinks he's a king but isn't - nobody can prove it either way, and unlike the Augustana version, he doesn't want to try.

I just need to know what part of Golarion that isn't part of the Inner Sea isn't in use; I'm not really familiar enough with the geography of the known world, let alone places that nobody's considered going to for whatever reason. It doesn't matter if it gets developed later; I will work something out to roleplay around it and still have no connection to it.

I can just use "that place out there somewhere", but I'd prefer to use a rough location (west of the inner sea maybe?) that actually exists in the world.


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What do Ogres think, such as they can, of Ogre-kin.

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You've misunderstood me, I don't want any GM or player to accommodate me, I just want to be able to roleplay someone who wants to distance themselves from that life. I don't expect to say something like "I want to make contact with someone from my old kingdom via telepathic means" or scrying or some silliness that creates exactly what you're talking about, I would just consciously avoid that, which is easy because the character has no interest in having any connection with his old kingdom anyway.

To put it another way, for all intents and purposes, he may well be someone who is kind of crazy/a lunatic who thinks he's a king but isn't - nobody can prove it either way, and unlike the Augustana version, he doesn't want to try.

I just need to know what part of Golarion that isn't part of the Inner Sea isn't in use; I'm not really familiar enough with the geography of the known world, let alone places that nobody's considered going to for whatever reason. It doesn't matter if it gets developed later; I will work something out to roleplay around it and still have no connection to it.

I can just use "that place out there somewhere", but I'd prefer to use a rough location (west of the inner sea maybe?) that actually exists in the world.

Well... there's not really any one location that's better than another, then. Pretty much ALL parts of Golarion are potentially in-use.

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Squeakmaan wrote:
What do Ogres think, such as they can, of Ogre-kin.

On average, they'd think of them as slow kids who are kinda dumb and kinda ugly and kinda fragile but maybe adorable and certainly good for serving as speed bumps against adventurers or entertainment in the fighting pits or whatever. Second class citizens in a lot of ways.


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I can just use "that place out there somewhere", but I'd prefer to use a rough location (west of the inner sea maybe?) that actually exists in the world.

Well, the closest area to that in Golarion might be that small fragmented country full of "wannabe" kings and nobles fighting and dueling eachother.

I dont remember the name i am afraid... but you might be better off being a noble that dont want that s&%$ anymore, a bit easier to "fit in" Golarion... Kings dont go missing that easily in the world, but nobles appear and vanish like water drops on a windshield.


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Dracoknight wrote:
Avatar-1 wrote:


I can just use "that place out there somewhere", but I'd prefer to use a rough location (west of the inner sea maybe?) that actually exists in the world.

Well, the closest area to that in Golarion might be that small fragmented country full of "wannabe" kings and nobles fighting and dueling eachother.

I dont remember the name i am afraid... but you might be better off being a noble that dont want that s*!@ anymore, a bit easier to "fit in" Golarion... Kings dont go missing that easily in the world, but nobles appear and vanish like water drops on a windshield.

River Kingdoms. Kingdoms form and fall all the time in that area. A King going missing one day probably wouldn't cause too much of a ruckus outside of the place he was King of. It'd kind of be par for the course there.

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Dracoknight wrote:
Avatar-1 wrote:


I can just use "that place out there somewhere", but I'd prefer to use a rough location (west of the inner sea maybe?) that actually exists in the world.

Well, the closest area to that in Golarion might be that small fragmented country full of "wannabe" kings and nobles fighting and dueling eachother.

I dont remember the name i am afraid... but you might be better off being a noble that dont want that s#+% anymore, a bit easier to "fit in" Golarion... Kings dont go missing that easily in the world, but nobles appear and vanish like water drops on a windshield.

That's the River Kingdoms... but that's actually a very well defined region. We've already said who rules what were there, and have a lot of stuff going on in there... so it sounded to me like that would make it not an ideal answer. I don't think there IS an ideal answer for that kind of question.


James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:

1)How does Desna view Iomedae?

2) How does Iomedae view Desna?

1) As a control freak and an upstart more interested in glory than in what's good for her worshipers.

2) As a hippie and weird old goddess more interested in making decisions without thinking through the consequences than planning for the long term.

1. How do you view Iomedae?

2. How would Iomedae view you?

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James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:

1)How does Desna view Iomedae?

2) How does Iomedae view Desna?

1) As a control freak and an upstart more interested in glory than in what's good for her worshipers.

2) As a hippie and weird old goddess more interested in making decisions without thinking through the consequences than planning for the long term.

1. How do you view Desna?

2. How would Desna view you?

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James, could you ask Jason to do a thread like to answer crunchy rules questions?

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James, I was wondering why Pazio does not design items for new classes when they are released. An example, when the Magus came out, IMO a Bladebound Magus would never buy a metamagic rod as it would make much more sense to have the metamagic bound into a ring. This is simple for a home game the GM could house rule it but in PFS only Pazio Magic items are allowed.

James, Could you talk to Jason and see if would be possible to change Celestial Obedience’s could be modified so they could be used in PFS.
If I am reading them correctly most start when the PC has 12+hd or is a member of a Mystery Cult [Prestige Class]

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What, in your mind, separates an inspiring speech sort of thing as something handled by Diplomacy, something handled by Perform (oratory) and just something the player does?

More specifically, they're making an inspiring speech for the heck of it, or to look dramatic before they do something, rather than hoping to achieve an actual mechanical advantage.

I ask because you generally only have so many skill points to use, unless you're a bard or rogue, in which case this is a non-issue. But what about other classes, particularly those that don't get Perform as a class skill?

And on an unrelated note, how do the different Shoanti Quahs view "half-breed" types like half-elves and the like? I know half-orcs are generally killed at birth, especially among the Sklar-Quah, as the orcs of Belkzen are among their mortal enemies, but how do they feel about relationships with elves? About aasimars and tieflings? Or even just relationships with tshamek humans?

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AlgaeNymph wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:

1)How does Desna view Iomedae?

2) How does Iomedae view Desna?

1) As a control freak and an upstart more interested in glory than in what's good for her worshipers.

2) As a hippie and weird old goddess more interested in making decisions without thinking through the consequences than planning for the long term.

1. How do you view Iomedae?

2. How would Iomedae view you?

Kinda the same way, I suspect.

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Cr500cricket wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
xavier c wrote:

1)How does Desna view Iomedae?

2) How does Iomedae view Desna?

1) As a control freak and an upstart more interested in glory than in what's good for her worshipers.

2) As a hippie and weird old goddess more interested in making decisions without thinking through the consequences than planning for the long term.

1. How do you view Desna?

2. How would Desna view you?

1) With admiration

2) Well, I'd hope!

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Lou Diamond wrote:
James, could you ask Jason to do a thread like to answer crunchy rules questions?

Nope.

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Does Desna ever play pranks on Iomedae or any of the other gods?

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Lou Diamond wrote:

James, I was wondering why Pazio does not design items for new classes when they are released. An example, when the Magus came out, IMO a Bladebound Magus would never buy a metamagic rod as it would make much more sense to have the metamagic bound into a ring. This is simple for a home game the GM could house rule it but in PFS only Pazio Magic items are allowed.

James, Could you talk to Jason and see if would be possible to change Celestial Obedience’s could be modified so they could be used in PFS.
If I am reading them correctly most start when the PC has 12+hd or is a member of a Mystery Cult [Prestige Class]

We actaully do design for the new classes... we just don't design EXCLUSIVELY for them. Furthermore, not every type of magic item needs to be or should be equally viable. A metamagic rod is great for pure spellcasters, but the fact that it's not as great a choice for magi is actually something that's valuable, I think, in defining a specific separate role for the magus. They have a lot of advantages over a wizard, and the reverse should still hold true.

And no, I'm not interested in becoming a rules change request guy. I'm even LESS interested in micromanaging and crusading for changes to specific rules for PFS application. Furthermore... the game is bigger than PFS, and that means some things are going to not be appropriate for PFS play.

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