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Belle Mythix wrote:
Kairos Dawnfury wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Kairos Dawnfury wrote:

If we wanted to get information on the playtest for the new classes, who do you think would be the person quickest to break after hypothetical kidnapping?

I have so many questions, but only anticipate "You'll have to wait."

You'll have to wait.

Also, kidnapping might make things go more quickly for the abductor, but they would CERTAINLY slow down or even cancel the playtest for everyone else, so said kidnapper would have to contend with a legion of angry Pathfinder fans. Something to keep in mind!

Curse your insufferable logic! How long do we have to wait?

Insufferable logic is a part of his job.

Although I often wish it weren't so necessary.

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Ral' Yareth wrote:

Realistically, when can I expect a sourcebook/APG/module related to Galt?

Not anytime soon.


James Jacobs wrote:
Kairos Dawnfury wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Kairos Dawnfury wrote:

If we wanted to get information on the playtest for the new classes, who do you think would be the person quickest to break after hypothetical kidnapping?

I have so many questions, but only anticipate "You'll have to wait."

You'll have to wait.

Also, kidnapping might make things go more quickly for the abductor, but they would CERTAINLY slow down or even cancel the playtest for everyone else, so said kidnapper would have to contend with a legion of angry Pathfinder fans. Something to keep in mind!

Curse your insufferable logic! How long do we have to wait?
Until it's done!

I thought the point of the playtest was to help you guys finish. If you release it early, we can help more!

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James Jacobs wrote:
Kairos Dawnfury wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Kairos Dawnfury wrote:

If we wanted to get information on the playtest for the new classes, who do you think would be the person quickest to break after hypothetical kidnapping?

I have so many questions, but only anticipate "You'll have to wait."

You'll have to wait.

Also, kidnapping might make things go more quickly for the abductor, but they would CERTAINLY slow down or even cancel the playtest for everyone else, so said kidnapper would have to contend with a legion of angry Pathfinder fans. Something to keep in mind!

Curse your insufferable logic! How long do we have to wait?
Until it's done!

But, when will then be now!?

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Juda de Kerioth wrote:

Dear mr. James Jacobs :3

Im a big fan for carrion crown, im going to run it for 3rd time for a new players.
I want to know if you are planning to make pawns for this AP (t´will be awesome).

If don´t: what do we need to make this happen?
Can you make a Kickstarter to support this one?
there are many of us that would love this pawns on our tables... and for other people, i guess they don´t want to miss this pawns too... So, What do you say?
Make this happen, t´will be a nice Christmas present!!

The pattern in which we're releasing Pawn sets for our APs will probably eventually catch up... but we're focusing for the most part on the current Adventure Paths. This isn't something that Kickstarter would help with—Kickstarter really only helps with the money to fund and finance a project, and that's part that we have covered. The part we DON'T have covered is the resources to do more stuff—our schedule is really packed tight, and there's no room to add more. And ironically, one other thing that Kickstarters are good at is adding a lot of extra work... especially if they're really successful (or conversely, if they're slow burners and need lots of marketing type work to get folks into them). So basically... doing a Kickstarter for a pawn set (or for ANY thing bonus over and above our schedule)... would result in a LOT more work... and therefore cause us more harm than good to the schedule and production.

Kickstarter works best to get new projects going for new companies or individuals. It's not a great solution for established companies who already have full schedules.

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Threeshades wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Soon we will have stats for him so we can finally end the question once and for all:

Who would win, Treerazer vs. Cthulhu ?

:3

I'd put money on Cthulhu.

You say that without even knowing what the contest is?

What if we're not talking about a fight, but a game of chess, a dance-off or a children's card game?

Those would have to be big chess pieces...

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Alleran wrote:
A question on possession, if I may. With Demons Revisited, there are various feats and the like that expand and provide a rules context for demons and other evil outsiders possessing mortals. Are there plans on similarly expanding it with the idea of celestials (angels, azata, archons, etc.) possessing mortals as well? Or, if not possession, then the idea of channeling them, such as what was put forward in WotC's Book of Exalted Deeds with celestials entering into a mortal's body with permission?

Not really. Demonic possession is the classic, after all. That said, there's no reason you can't houserule some of those feats for other outsiders if you wish.

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Voyd211 wrote:

Have you played Bayonetta?

If you haven't, the basic premise is that you're a witch who hunts evil angels.

My question: What would be the best way to stat out these angels? They're explicitly holy, yet also explicitly evil. Do they still get the good subtype?

Some of these angels also have nonstandard shapes. Dear and Decorations are heads with wings, Irenics are cars, Enchants are wheels, Fortitude is a two-headed dragon with an upside-down human head for a torso, and Justice is... well... this. Despite the weirdness, they're all still angels.

Haven't played it.

And the best way to stat out a race of evil angels in Pathfinder is to make a brand new category of outsider race. What you're describing may be called "angels" in the context of Bayonetta, but they're not in the context of Pathfinder. So they wouldn't be angels at all if you statted them up for Pathfinder unless you were comfortable replacing the existing angels or expanding their role to account for such unrelated new members of the race. We're not comfortable at Paizo doing that.

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Kairos Dawnfury wrote:
I thought the point of the playtest was to help you guys finish. If you release it early, we can help more!

That's exactly the point of the playtest.

And so we scheduled the book's creation, development, editing, and all that to account for that. Turns out... getting the actual words written that comprise the playtest isn't something that happens immediately. It takes the authors and designers a few months to do so, and we want the playtest to be as solid and as clear as possible—we want to cut out the obvious bad ideas and make it as playable as possible. In a perfect world, the playtest itself is perfect and everyone loves it and we don't have to make any changes. That won't happen... but we want to get as close to making that happen as we can. And that stage of document preparation has to occur AFTER the words are written... which also takes several weeks.

And since it's a Gen Con release... we're not interested in releasing it early anyway, so starting earlier would only make our other projects constricted in resources.

I understand that folks are eager to see it... but trust me... from our internal scheduling, even though it seems like it's been forever since we announced it... we ARE on a schedule to get things done. We just don't want to promise dates publicly at this point because we aren't 100% sure it's where it needs to be yet.

So... be patient. It'll happen this year. and there's still more than 2 months left in said year.


James Jacobs wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:

Have you played Bayonetta?

If you haven't, the basic premise is that you're a witch who hunts evil angels.

My question: What would be the best way to stat out these angels? They're explicitly holy, yet also explicitly evil. Do they still get the good subtype?

Some of these angels also have nonstandard shapes. Dear and Decorations are heads with wings, Irenics are cars, Enchants are wheels, Fortitude is a two-headed dragon with an upside-down human head for a torso, and Justice is... well... this. Despite the weirdness, they're all still angels.

Haven't played it.

And the best way to stat out a race of evil angels in Pathfinder is to make a brand new category of outsider race. What you're describing may be called "angels" in the context of Bayonetta, but they're not in the context of Pathfinder. So they wouldn't be angels at all if you statted them up for Pathfinder unless you were comfortable replacing the existing angels or expanding their role to account for such unrelated new members of the race. We're not comfortable at Paizo doing that.

...

HOLY CRAP THAT'S BRILLIANT! *gets to work*


James Jacobs wrote:
Kairos Dawnfury wrote:
I thought the point of the playtest was to help you guys finish. If you release it early, we can help more!

That's exactly the point of the playtest.

And so we scheduled the book's creation, development, editing, and all that to account for that. Turns out... getting the actual words written that comprise the playtest isn't something that happens immediately. It takes the authors and designers a few months to do so, and we want the playtest to be as solid and as clear as possible—we want to cut out the obvious bad ideas and make it as playable as possible. In a perfect world, the playtest itself is perfect and everyone loves it and we don't have to make any changes. That won't happen... but we want to get as close to making that happen as we can. And that stage of document preparation has to occur AFTER the words are written... which also takes several weeks.

And since it's a Gen Con release... we're not interested in releasing it early anyway, so starting earlier would only make our other projects constricted in resources.

I understand that folks are eager to see it... but trust me... from our internal scheduling, even though it seems like it's been forever since we announced it... we ARE on a schedule to get things done. We just don't want to promise dates publicly at this point because we aren't 100% sure it's where it needs to be yet.

So... be patient. It'll happen this year. and there's still more than 2 months left in said year.

I understand, and appreciate you guys doing the playtests. I'm really excited to see the Swashbuckler and Warpriest, along with all the other classes you guys have announced. I'm really hoping the Swashbuckler can be played like Fighter with Grit if one is so inclined and not restricted to Finessing it up.

Have you guys announced the page count of the book? The Rule Books are standard with the exception of the Core, right?

The Exchange

James,

Are there any themes that use to exist in old D&D settings that you don't think fit into Golarion?

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Kairos Dawnfury wrote:
Have you guys announced the page count of the book? The Rule Books are standard with the exception of the Core, right?

I don't believe we've announced the page count yet... but we've done a wide range of pagecounts in the rulebook line.

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TheLoneCleric wrote:

James,

Are there any themes that use to exist in old D&D settings that you don't think fit into Golarion?

Yes.

The Blood War is one that immediately comes to mind.

The idea that deities are powered by faith, and that a deity with no worshipers dies is another.

Early Greyhawk's notion that a demigod can't grant as many spells as a lesser god, or a lesser god can't grant as many as a greater god.

The idea that on other planes your god can't reach you and thus you can't prepare cleric spells of higher than 2nd level.

Those are the first four that pop into my head. More exist I'm sure.


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Is the information on Shalelu in Jade Regent the most up to day official backstory for her? Will there be any other details of her past coming out?

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Elara wrote:
Is the information on Shalelu in Jade Regent the most up to day official backstory for her? Will there be any other details of her past coming out?

Yes.

There's more info about her in Rise of the Runelords, of course. And some more in Second Darkness.

There will be more eventually revealed about her.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

This is somewhat of a creepy question:

I've asked you before if certain races like elves and such can be overweight, and you replied that yes, that is the case.

Generally are there adventurers of that body-type? Most of the other places I've asked this question indicate that even if someone was fat at level 1, they wouldn't be after a few levels of adventuring they'd have shed it as adventuring is a very active lifestyle, even for more "sedentary" classes like wizards.

Silver Crusade

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James Jacobs wrote:
Threeshades wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Soon we will have stats for him so we can finally end the question once and for all:

Who would win, Treerazer vs. Cthulhu ?

:3

I'd put money on Cthulhu.

You say that without even knowing what the contest is?

What if we're not talking about a fight, but a game of chess, a dance-off or a children's card game?

Those would have to be big chess pieces...

Caryatid Columns!

...

Wizard's Chess!!!


Rysky wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Threeshades wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Soon we will have stats for him so we can finally end the question once and for all:

Who would win, Treerazer vs. Cthulhu ?

:3

I'd put money on Cthulhu.

You say that without even knowing what the contest is?

What if we're not talking about a fight, but a game of chess, a dance-off or a children's card game?

Those would have to be big chess pieces...

Caryatid Columns!

...

Wizard's Chess!!!

... you may have given me the best idea for an encounter!

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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:

This is somewhat of a creepy question:

I've asked you before if certain races like elves and such can be overweight, and you replied that yes, that is the case.

Generally are there adventurers of that body-type? Most of the other places I've asked this question indicate that even if someone was fat at level 1, they wouldn't be after a few levels of adventuring they'd have shed it as adventuring is a very active lifestyle, even for more "sedentary" classes like wizards.

I've always seen adventuring as a VERY active lifestyle. Not only does adventuring count as lots of strenuous exercise, it also is very dangerous and as such the less healthy folks (including overweight folks) will tend to get "weeded out" of the lifestyle with greater frequency. And finally... there's not a sociological element in most game worlds that encourages obesity—aka, there's not fast food or overwhelmingly saturated junk food marketing campaigns and the like.

All of that, to me, suggests that there's not a lot of overweight adventurers at all. Doesn't mean they're not, of course!


Can a ghost with memorized spells cast them while possessing someone (malevolence).

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber
Odraude wrote:
Rysky wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Threeshades wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Soon we will have stats for him so we can finally end the question once and for all:

Who would win, Treerazer vs. Cthulhu ?

:3

I'd put money on Cthulhu.

You say that without even knowing what the contest is?

What if we're not talking about a fight, but a game of chess, a dance-off or a children's card game?

Those would have to be big chess pieces...

Caryatid Columns!

...

Wizard's Chess!!!

... you may have given me the best idea for an encounter!

You're welcome :3


James Jacobs wrote:
Elara wrote:
Is the information on Shalelu in Jade Regent the most up to day official backstory for her? Will there be any other details of her past coming out?

Yes.

There's more info about her in Rise of the Runelords, of course. And some more in Second Darkness.

There will be more eventually revealed about her.

Yay! Good to know. One of my players has a character that's in love with her in Runelords so I just want to make sure I have all the info I need.

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tom.zombie wrote:
Can a ghost with memorized spells cast them while possessing someone (malevolence).

Yes... provided the body has all the parts and gear needed for whatever components are necessary.


Voyd211 wrote:

Have you played Bayonetta?

If you haven't, the basic premise is that you're a witch who hunts evil angels.

My question: What would be the best way to stat out these angels? They're explicitly holy, yet also explicitly evil. Do they still get the good subtype?

Some of these angels also have nonstandard shapes. Dear and Decorations are heads with wings, Irenics are cars, Enchants are wheels, Fortitude is a two-headed dragon with an upside-down human head for a torso, and Justice is... well... this. Despite the weirdness, they're all still angels.

Neon Genesis Evangelion minus the mecha?


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Green Ronin is redoing the Advanced Bestiary for PF, helmed by Owen K.C. Stephens. Do you think it will be used in adventure paths and modules as much as the 3.5 one was?

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

While their are creatures with DR and regeneration which can only be overcome by specific means, what are your thoughts on monsters that can be only be killed by unique means, same way with artifacts that each have their own unique methods of destruction?

Contributor

Do you ever run into a situation where your players don't take an active interest into NPCs, yet they constantly place themselves in situations where other people SHOULD matter? How do you get them to care more about NPCs without making the relationships seemed forced?

I want to try using the Jade Regent / Ultimate Campaign relationship rules, but I'm a little worried that it'll make the NPC's attitudes feel too gamey.


Are there lesser evils among fiends?

What I mean by that is daemons, devils and demons that aren't instantly "Kill/Conquer/Corrupt your face in" respectively, but can act cordially with their allies and still be evil bastards?

Besides Asmodeus himself, that is.

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Cheapy wrote:
Green Ronin is redoing the Advanced Bestiary for PF, helmed by Owen K.C. Stephens. Do you think it will be used in adventure paths and modules as much as the 3.5 one was?

Perhaps. We'll see! And good to hear they're redoing it for Pathfinder! About time! :-)

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Rysky wrote:
While their are creatures with DR and regeneration which can only be overcome by specific means, what are your thoughts on monsters that can be only be killed by unique means, same way with artifacts that each have their own unique methods of destruction?

That those kinds of monsters make EXCELLENT foes for campaigns.

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Alexander Augunas wrote:

Do you ever run into a situation where your players don't take an active interest into NPCs, yet they constantly place themselves in situations where other people SHOULD matter? How do you get them to care more about NPCs without making the relationships seemed forced?

I want to try using the Jade Regent / Ultimate Campaign relationship rules, but I'm a little worried that it'll make the NPC's attitudes feel too gamey.

By giving the PCs bonuses for befriending and interacting with the NPCs, either in the form of boons (such as those in Souls for Smuggler's Shiv) or in the form of XP for making friends and roleplaying.

And remember... it IS a game. I'm not really sure that "too gamey" is a bad thing. Especially if you aren't lucky enough to have lots of players who are eager to roleplay just for roleplaying's sake.

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Voyd211 wrote:

Are there lesser evils among fiends?

What I mean by that is daemons, devils and demons that aren't instantly "Kill/Conquer/Corrupt your face in" respectively, but can act cordially with their allies and still be evil bastards?

Besides Asmodeus himself, that is.

Yes.

Contributor

James Jacobs wrote:
Alexander Augunas wrote:

Do you ever run into a situation where your players don't take an active interest into NPCs, yet they constantly place themselves in situations where other people SHOULD matter? How do you get them to care more about NPCs without making the relationships seemed forced?

I want to try using the Jade Regent / Ultimate Campaign relationship rules, but I'm a little worried that it'll make the NPC's attitudes feel too gamey.

By giving the PCs bonuses for befriending and interacting with the NPCs, either in the form of boons (such as those in Souls for Smuggler's Shiv) or in the form of XP for making friends and roleplaying.

And remember... it IS a game. I'm not really sure that "too gamey" is a bad thing. Especially if you aren't lucky enough to have lots of players who are eager to roleplay just for roleplaying's sake.

Let me clarify, by "Too Gamey" what I really mean is, "Too similar to filling up green reputation bars in World of Warcraft just to get a small edge in Dungeon / Raid content."


James Jacobs wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:

Are there lesser evils among fiends?

What I mean by that is daemons, devils and demons that aren't instantly "Kill/Conquer/Corrupt your face in" respectively, but can act cordially with their allies and still be evil bastards?

Besides Asmodeus himself, that is.

Yes.

How would one qualify a lesser, for instance, Chaotic Evil? I'm hard pressed to think of a demon who can hold back on their "murder everything's face in" instinct, besides maaaaaybe Jubilex.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber
Voyd211 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:

Are there lesser evils among fiends?

What I mean by that is daemons, devils and demons that aren't instantly "Kill/Conquer/Corrupt your face in" respectively, but can act cordially with their allies and still be evil bastards?

Besides Asmodeus himself, that is.

Yes.
How would one qualify a lesser, for instance, Chaotic Evil? I'm hard pressed to think of a demon who can hold back on their "murder everything's face in" instinct, besides maaaaaybe Jubilex.

Succubi, perhaps? They're more "sex everything's face in."


Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:

Are there lesser evils among fiends?

What I mean by that is daemons, devils and demons that aren't instantly "Kill/Conquer/Corrupt your face in" respectively, but can act cordially with their allies and still be evil bastards?

Besides Asmodeus himself, that is.

Yes.
How would one qualify a lesser, for instance, Chaotic Evil? I'm hard pressed to think of a demon who can hold back on their "murder everything's face in" instinct, besides maaaaaybe Jubilex.
Succubi, perhaps? They're more "sex everything's face in."

They still corrupt you.

THE WORLD ENDS WITH EDIT: What could cause a Mythic lemure to come into being? What could infernal dukes make from such beasts?


do the planes of heaven and nirvana have large cities like dis

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:

Are there lesser evils among fiends?

What I mean by that is daemons, devils and demons that aren't instantly "Kill/Conquer/Corrupt your face in" respectively, but can act cordially with their allies and still be evil bastards?

Besides Asmodeus himself, that is.

Yes.
How would one qualify a lesser, for instance, Chaotic Evil? I'm hard pressed to think of a demon who can hold back on their "murder everything's face in" instinct, besides maaaaaybe Jubilex.
Succubi, perhaps? They're more "sex everything's face in."

I am perfectly content dying that way.


James Jacobs wrote:
Juda de Kerioth wrote:

Dear mr. James Jacobs :3

doing a Kickstarter for a pawn set (or for ANY thing bonus over and above our schedule)... would result in a LOT more work... and therefore cause us more harm than good to the schedule and production.

Kickstarter works best to get new projects going for new companies or individuals. It's not a great solution for established companies who already have full schedules.

Jeezz thanks for the reply... i felt some kind of grounded... :(

I declare my self an ignorant with the kickstarter plot... just watching for this to happen--so, i have to wait some little time... and that´s it. i don´t wish you to broke with your current schedule because all of you guys, are doing so well with your products. Thanks and cheers!


I have a Question Mr. Jacobs, about the Spellscar Oracle from Inner Sea Magic.
For their 6th level bonus spell they get Antimagic Field an 8th level spell.
Now my question. Does this spell count as 6th level for the Oracle or is a mistake giving an 8th level spell to someone who shouldn't be able to cast it yet?


I have some Question for you Mr. Jacobs this time about the monks Abundant Step class feature coupled with Dimensional Dervish.
1) Can your Abundant Step while grappled? I can find no rules that say you can use supernatural powers while grappled only that they don't provoke AOO.
2) Can you use Dimensional Dervish to attack a creature in the water (or air) and then end on dry land?


Rysky wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:

Are there lesser evils among fiends?

What I mean by that is daemons, devils and demons that aren't instantly "Kill/Conquer/Corrupt your face in" respectively, but can act cordially with their allies and still be evil bastards?

Besides Asmodeus himself, that is.

Yes.
How would one qualify a lesser, for instance, Chaotic Evil? I'm hard pressed to think of a demon who can hold back on their "murder everything's face in" instinct, besides maaaaaybe Jubilex.
Succubi, perhaps? They're more "sex everything's face in."
I am perfectly content dying that way.

I'd prefer having the luxury of the passionate demon loving, without the hindrance of death.

So, here's a question. What are the best ways to avoid the harmful effects of a succubus' Energy Drain?


Chrysanthe Spiros wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:

Are there lesser evils among fiends?

What I mean by that is daemons, devils and demons that aren't instantly "Kill/Conquer/Corrupt your face in" respectively, but can act cordially with their allies and still be evil bastards?

Besides Asmodeus himself, that is.

Yes.
How would one qualify a lesser, for instance, Chaotic Evil? I'm hard pressed to think of a demon who can hold back on their "murder everything's face in" instinct, besides maaaaaybe Jubilex.
Succubi, perhaps? They're more "sex everything's face in."
I am perfectly content dying that way.

I'd prefer having the luxury of the passionate demon loving, without the hindrance of death.

So, here's a question. What are the best ways to avoid the harmful effects of a succubus' Energy Drain?

the death ward spell


She probably knew of that, but if there's anything else involved that'd help...


Is it possible for a CE character to be more noble than an LE character? If so, how?

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Alexander Augunas wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Alexander Augunas wrote:

Do you ever run into a situation where your players don't take an active interest into NPCs, yet they constantly place themselves in situations where other people SHOULD matter? How do you get them to care more about NPCs without making the relationships seemed forced?

I want to try using the Jade Regent / Ultimate Campaign relationship rules, but I'm a little worried that it'll make the NPC's attitudes feel too gamey.

By giving the PCs bonuses for befriending and interacting with the NPCs, either in the form of boons (such as those in Souls for Smuggler's Shiv) or in the form of XP for making friends and roleplaying.

And remember... it IS a game. I'm not really sure that "too gamey" is a bad thing. Especially if you aren't lucky enough to have lots of players who are eager to roleplay just for roleplaying's sake.

Let me clarify, by "Too Gamey" what I really mean is, "Too similar to filling up green reputation bars in World of Warcraft just to get a small edge in Dungeon / Raid content."

Well... to be honest, the inspiration for the relationship rules WAS a video game. Not Warcraft, though; Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic, Baldur's Gate... all the classic Bioware games.

If it feels too video gamey, don't use it. I think that kind of system works pretty well, though, and have found that it DOES help more statistics-oriented minds get into roleplaying and NPC relationship building better.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Voyd211 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:

Are there lesser evils among fiends?

What I mean by that is daemons, devils and demons that aren't instantly "Kill/Conquer/Corrupt your face in" respectively, but can act cordially with their allies and still be evil bastards?

Besides Asmodeus himself, that is.

Yes.
How would one qualify a lesser, for instance, Chaotic Evil? I'm hard pressed to think of a demon who can hold back on their "murder everything's face in" instinct, besides maaaaaybe Jubilex.

I wouldn't call "chaotic evil" a "lesser" at all. In fact, demons are as capable, if not more so, of being subtle and tricky in their pursuit of evil as any devil. PARTICULALRY succubi and glabrezus, but others as well. Check out "Demons Revisited" or the Wrath of the Righteous Adventure Path for lots of examples of demons who use subtlety and trickery to cause great ruin. A few demon lords who immediately come to mind as masters of this are Nocticula, Lamashtu, Socothbenoth, Pazuzu, and Baphomet.

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Voyd211 wrote:
THE WORLD ENDS WITH EDIT: What could cause a Mythic lemure to come into being? What could infernal dukes make from such beasts?

Via a super unique and interesting story element.

It's not a lemure... but at the end of Wrath of the Righteous...

Spoiler:
... a mythic dretch plays a key and important role...

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xavier c wrote:
do the planes of heaven and nirvana have large cities like dis

Absolutely. There are large cities on all the outer planes. Some moreso than others. Some are ONLY cities.

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