James sir,
I am trying to figure out how to treat summoned creatures on a Pathfinder game, and there are some "rules" that seem unclear to me. They are:
1) If I summon a creature, and give a sword (or any other piece of gear to it) what happens to the object when the creature is destroyed/dismissed?
2) Same question as 1, but applied to an Eidolon (which the rules state clearly that besides going into negative hit points and not being stopped by a 'protection from' spell, is still a summoned creature)?
3) Same question as 1, but change summon for call.
Thank you in advance. :)
Are there any plans for more words of power or other alternant magic systems?No.
Why not?
Interrobangs: are you for or against them?
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James sir,
I am trying to figure out how to treat summoned creatures on a Pathfinder game, and there are some "rules" that seem unclear to me. They are:
1) If I summon a creature, and give a sword (or any other piece of gear to it) what happens to the object when the creature is destroyed/dismissed?
2) Same question as 1, but applied to an Eidolon (which the rules state clearly that besides going into negative hit points and not being stopped by a 'protection from' spell, is still a summoned creature)?
3) Same question as 1, but change summon for call.Thank you in advance. :)
1) When the summoned creature goes away, any gear you gave it drops to the ground.
2) Same.
3) Called creatures are physical here; you don't summon a "shade" or "eidolon" of them. They're the real thing. Give a called creature a sword, and if it's banished back home, it takes the sword with it.
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Why not?Are there any plans for more words of power or other alternant magic systems?No.
Because we're happy with the magic system we have now.
We might fool around with alternate rules for all sorts of things someday, but for now... words of power is, in my opinion, a curriosity that didn't really pass the final test of time.
Could a dragon benefit from the Sun Orchid Elixir?
Though, considering the loss of power, I imagine it wouldn't really be a benefit.
3) Called creatures are physical here; you don't summon a "shade" or "eidolon" of them. They're the real thing. Give a called creature a sword, and if it's banished back home, it takes the sword with it.
Thank you for the answer. Following it up:
1) Can an Eidolon be 'called'?
EDIT: I just realized. "Eidolon" is a synonym of shade here. Therefore, the question would be if you can call the creature which you "generate" the eidolon from.
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3) Called creatures are physical here; you don't summon a "shade" or "eidolon" of them. They're the real thing. Give a called creature a sword, and if it's banished back home, it takes the sword with it.Thank you for the answer. Following it up:
1) Can an Eidolon be 'called'?
EDIT: I just realized. "Eidolon" is a synonym of shade here. Therefore, the question would be if you can call the creature which you "generate" the eidolon from.
A summoner's eidolon cannot be called. It is, in my mind, a thing that doesn't exist until the summoner calls it out of raw potentiality, and that only exists as long as the summoner's will makes it so. It isn't something that's a "copy" of something else, which is why there are no eidolons roaming the other planes (except for those rare few who have become unfettered).
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Interrobangs: are you for or against them?Huh?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang
I had to look it up, it's a punctuation thing.
I-- My mind originally went somewhere, uh, else.
Expectations Mismanaged.
Huh. Learn something every day!
I've actually never heard of these or seen them in print, which tells me they're pretty rare.
My knee-jerk reaction is that I'm against them.
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Does it make sence to allow a creature to use a Halberd while bound with manacles?
A halberd is a 2 handed weapon. If it makes sense for a creature to use a halberd while bound with manacles, they should be able to use pretty much any 2 handed weapon.
I would say no. Manacles shouldn't allow you to do stuff like that.
Why not?Are there any plans for more words of power or other alternant magic systems?No.Because we're happy with the magic system we have now.
We might fool around with alternate rules for all sorts of things someday, but for now... words of power is, in my opinion, a curriosity that didn't really pass the final test of time.
The main complaint I see about words of power is the lack of words and some vague rules in it. When I read WoP it seems like the writter was trying to rebalance magic while at the same time reinventing it.
Was this the case or is that more in the rules side and less the creative side of development?
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1) No. Clerics don't worship the Green Faith, as it is not a deity and thus can't grant spells. It's primarily a druid philosophy and religion. Druids get domains if they choose, so that's the closest you'll get to domains from the Green Faith, I guess.2) If I had to turn the Green Faith into a deity, I'd set its domains to Animal, Plant, Weather, Earth, Water. I wouldn't do that though, because that's pretty much Gozreh with one minor change (Earth instead of Air). If you're looking for a nature cleric, Gozreh is absolutely the deity for you—we put him in the game SPECIFICALLY to give clerics a nature god.
Thanks for the answer. I'm trying to do something a little off type and I'm just not satisfied with Gozreh. His emphasis on weather and storms bugs me. Storms are natural but they aren't nature like a living thing. Nature, to me, is the ecosystem, plant to herbivore to carnivore and everything in-between. Erastil is likewise unsatisfactory as his portfolio speaks more to community and almost has a sense of taming nature to it.
Does anything there change your mind about domains at all?
Nope.
But it doesn't have to. You don't have to convince me of anything in order to make changes to your campaign. ;-)
I know. But I respect you and your vision for the setting enough that your blessing helps a lot.
I will take a look at the domains you suggested and see what i cqn make of them amd provide both options to my GM.
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Why not?Are there any plans for more words of power or other alternant magic systems?No.Because we're happy with the magic system we have now.
We might fool around with alternate rules for all sorts of things someday, but for now... words of power is, in my opinion, a curriosity that didn't really pass the final test of time.
The main complaint I see about words of power is the lack of words and some vague rules in it. When I read WoP it seems like the writter was trying to rebalance magic while at the same time reinventing it.
Was this the case or is that more in the rules side and less the creative side of development?
Jason Bulmahn wrote the Words of Power rules. I had nothing to do with them, so it'd be to his question thread you should take that question, I suppose. Sorry I can't answer it.
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Have you seen this Lovecraft Memorial on Kickstarter?I had not. Thanks!
(gets out wallet)
NP. Well, I did my good deed for the day :3
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"The people I care about I can count on one hand.
They are good people and nice.
I don't care about anything else.
Murder and theft don't bother me at all.
The whole world could burn and I wouldn't bat an eye.
As long as the people I care for remain by my side."
"What is my Alignment?"
Is a serious question, please and thank you. :3
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"The people I care about I can count on one hand.
They are good people and nice.
I don't care about anything else.
Murder and theft don't bother me at all.
The whole world could burn and I wouldn't bat an eye.
As long as the people I care for remain by my side.""What is my Alignment?"
Is a serious question, please and thank you. :3
Chaotic evil.
Chaotic evil characters can have friends.
Could it be a chaotic neutral person?
How would the elixir mess up a dragon?Nope; a does of Sun Orchid Elixir would really mess a dragon up.Could a dragon benefit from the Sun Orchid Elixir?
Though, considering the loss of power, I imagine it wouldn't really be a benefit.
As I started a topic on this idea(one which the Great James Jacobs already weigh in on) I hope it is not to forward to give you the link...
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m3vk?Cool-use-of-the-Sun-Orchid-Exlir
Or you could come over to my 'Ask Me' thread and ask me. :)
Also,
Hey James Jacobs you have answeared soo many question of mine if you want to come over to my thread and ask me anything feel free too.
James, I've got a question that I would greatly appreciate your input on.
And as always, thanks very much for your time.
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"The people I care about I can count on one hand.
They are good people and nice.
I don't care about anything else.
Murder and theft don't bother me at all.
The whole world could burn and I wouldn't bat an eye.
As long as the people I care for remain by my side.""What is my Alignment?"
Is a serious question, please and thank you. :3
Chaotic evil.
Chaotic evil characters can have friends.
This describes the Magus in my Kingmaker game to a T. And he is indeed CE, and yet is the one character in the whole party that all the other party members (one LN, two TN, one CN) seem to get along with the most frequently. It's kind of bizarre.
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"The people I care about I can count on one hand.
They are good people and nice.
I don't care about anything else.
Murder and theft don't bother me at all.
The whole world could burn and I wouldn't bat an eye.
As long as the people I care for remain by my side.""What is my Alignment?"
Is a serious question, please and thank you. :3
Chaotic evil.
Chaotic evil characters can have friends.
Thankies for the response :3
1)Wouldn't it save space to not have the feats reprinted in the back of each hardcover bestiary?
2)What would the reasons be for a monster to be cut last minute from a hardcover bestiary?
3)Will the Bestiary 4 have any new Proteans, Aeons, or Inevitibles?
4)Will you need the Mythic rules book to understand/use the monsters in the Bestiary 4 that are considered mythic?
5)Will the Bestiary 4 have any new celestials, especially Angels?
6)What is the cut off for what APs were used for monsters to put into Bestiary 4?
7)Sounds like were getting a lot of two page monster entries in the bestiary 4, so does this mean we get less monsters this time around?
1)Are there any more powerful versions of Elder Things or do they just take class levels?
2)So the Dimensional Shambler, Dark Young, and Gnoph-Kar can't be reprinted but the rest of the lovecraftian creatures can and will be in future hardcover bestiaries?
3)Are there any Elder Things still active on Golarion?
4)So neither the Aboleth or the Elder Things created the "Vaults" in the Darklands, correct?
5)Are there any Lovecraftian critters that you would like to stat up but haven't yet? any examples?
6)Are there any old movie monsters that you guys can use for pathfinder that the copyright is no longer an issue? any examples?
7)Are there any Elder Things on Akiton?
Does it make sence to allow a creature to use a Halberd while bound with manacles?A halberd is a 2 handed weapon. If it makes sense for a creature to use a halberd while bound with manacles, they should be able to use pretty much any 2 handed weapon.
I would say no. Manacles shouldn't allow you to do stuff like that.
I agree on a Halberd but what of a Greatsword?
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Could it be a chaotic neutral person?
Not in my game. Once you say "I don't mind murder," you're evil. NOTE: I define murder as "killing someone for no other reason than the enjoyment of killing who doesn't really have much of a chance of fighting back."
And once you say "The whole world can burn and I wouldn't bat an eye," you're chaotic.
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How would the elixir mess up a dragon?Nope; a does of Sun Orchid Elixir would really mess a dragon up.Could a dragon benefit from the Sun Orchid Elixir?
Though, considering the loss of power, I imagine it wouldn't really be a benefit.
The sun orchid elixir restores you to young adult age. A great wyrm who drinks it loses a LOT of its power.
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James, I've got a question that I would greatly appreciate your input on.
** spoiler omitted **
And as always, thanks very much for your time.
She's absolutely not too far gone, and is an EXCELLENT candidate for redemption. We've got rules for redemption in an upcoming Player's Guide, but since we shipped like 500 products in the last month it feels like... I can't remember which one it was.
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A follow-up to my questions on "qualifying" as a Runelord for activating the Swords of Conviction/Sin.
1) If, in Shattered Star, a PC is shifted into Sorshen's body, there's a chance for dreams and visions of Sorshen's life in the "Continuing the Campaign" section of the last adventure. In a magic-metaphysic-mechanic sense, is this simply a quality of the clone and the magic that put the PC into the body? Or is it because the real Sorshen is still alive and there's some sort of psychic link between her and the PC, stasis or not?
2) If this vision bleed-through became progressively more severe, could it reach a point that the character is so inundated by Sorshen's memories and identity that Asheia (Sword of Lust) would trigger into a full awakening even with Sorshen (supposedly) in stasis? As in, the sword would "think" that the Runelord of Lust was awake and about?
3) How did Xanderghul and Sorshen first become mythic? Not looking for specific details, just a general indication of what their Moment of Ascension probably was (I would assume that "Godling" is probably unlikely, so of the options given in the playtest, that would leave Artifact, Fated, Granted or Passed On - and Granted seems a bit unlikely for them).
1) That is whatever the GM wants it to be. If I were the GM, it'd be Sorshen trying to take the PCs mind over from her tomb, or it might even be the thing that ends up waking Sorshen up and she then comes after the PC to kill her. There can be only one, and all that.
2) Perhaps. Although not before the PC essentially is gone and replaced by Sorshen.
3) Unrevealed.
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The Dawnflower Dervish is cool and an interesting way to play a Bard. Quick question on it. Are Rain of Blows and Razor's Kiss specific dances that use rounds of Bardic Performance or are they features that activate when using, say, Inspire Courage?
I would allow them to stack on top of inspire courage. But that's probably too permissive for the rules team's tastes. This is a good question for the rules forum and a FAQ.
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1)Wouldn't it save space to not have the feats reprinted in the back of each hardcover bestiary?
2)What would the reasons be for a monster to be cut last minute from a hardcover bestiary?
3)Will the Bestiary 4 have any new Proteans, Aeons, or Inevitibles?
4)Will you need the Mythic rules book to understand/use the monsters in the Bestiary 4 that are considered mythic?
5)Will the Bestiary 4 have any new celestials, especially Angels?
6)What is the cut off for what APs were used for monsters to put into Bestiary 4?
7)Sounds like were getting a lot of two page monster entries in the bestiary 4, so does this mean we get less monsters this time around?
1) It absolutely, positively would, which is why I've been trying to get them to drop the reprinted feats for a few years now. But each time we reprint them, my argument loses ground.
2) Crappy art. Poor design that simply can't be fixed. Last minute realization that the monster simply can't do what we want it to do. Alphabetization errors that force us to do some rearranging. A monster that simply can't exist on 1 page needing to expand to 2 pages (this is the one that's happened most often... but we've not often had to cut monsters from bestiaries once the book's in development).
3) Wait for a half year or so for us to start revealing more.
4) Some of them, yes. Just like you'll need Advanced Player's Guide to understand how Baba Yaga works. Turns out, our books exist to support each other. That's one reason why we put the core rules up for free... but it's also to encourage folks to buy more of them, since if we don't do that, we stop.
5) See #3 above. Patience, please!
6) Shattered Star, unless we have to pull from something more recent to deal with an unexpected cut.
7) I'm not sure how many monsters there are in the book off the top of my head... I believe that the number's pretty comparable, but again... see #3 above.
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1)Are there any more powerful versions of Elder Things or do they just take class levels?
2)So the Dimensional Shambler, Dark Young, and Gnoph-Kar can't be reprinted but the rest of the lovecraftian creatures can and will be in future hardcover bestiaries?
3)Are there any Elder Things still active on Golarion?
4)So neither the Aboleth or the Elder Things created the "Vaults" in the Darklands, correct?
5)Are there any Lovecraftian critters that you would like to stat up but haven't yet? any examples?
6)Are there any old movie monsters that you guys can use for pathfinder that the copyright is no longer an issue? any examples?
7)Are there any Elder Things on Akiton?
1) They take levels or just advance HD.
2) Gnoph-keh. Those three can't be reprinted without additional arrangement with Chaosium. The others COULD be reprinted. Whether or not we do reprint them... wait and see.
3) Yes.
4) Correct. The vaults were created by the Vault Builders, who were neither aboleths (they warred with aboleths) or elder things (who were occasionally their allies).
5) Yes. They're on the way, so by giving examples, I'm spoiling things.
6) Not really. Most all of the good monster movies are mostly covered by copyright.
7) Since the presence of elder things makes a planet more interesting to me, I'd say probably so.
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I agree on a Halberd but what of a Greatsword?Does it make sence to allow a creature to use a Halberd while bound with manacles?A halberd is a 2 handed weapon. If it makes sense for a creature to use a halberd while bound with manacles, they should be able to use pretty much any 2 handed weapon.
I would say no. Manacles shouldn't allow you to do stuff like that.
Actually, it depends entirely on the way the manacles are made. If they're iron bracelets with a chain connecting them, and the chain's long enough for the hands to move about, then you could probably wield ANY weapon with them. If the chain is super short (like handcuffs) probably not. If instead of a chain it's a long metal bar that prevents your hands from coming within 6 inches or whatever, then no 2-handed weapon at all.
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any new Eldest in the Fey Revisited book
Nope. At least, I doubt it. I've not read it or worked on it, but I can't envision why we'd use that book to introduce new Eldest, honestly, when we've said so relatively little about the ones we already have. And the book's not about the Eldest anyway.
She's absolutely not too far gone, and is an EXCELLENT candidate for redemption. We've got rules for redemption in an upcoming Player's Guide, but since we shipped like 500 products in the last month it feels like... I can't remember which one it was.James, I've got a question that I would greatly appreciate your input on.
** spoiler omitted **
And as always, thanks very much for your time.
If I may be so bold, sir? You're thinking of Champions of Purity, pages 18 and 19.
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That does not excuse her terrible crimes, and I think she is very evil.. but she wasn't born that way, nor did she just one day decide to go crazy. She was a victim in her own right, and her character represents just how gritty and dark Golarion can be sometimes.
Burnt Offerings got me back into roleplaying! Thank you!
Because we're happy with the magic system we have now.
We might fool around with alternate rules for all sorts of things someday, but for now... words of power is, in my opinion, a curriosity that didn't really pass the final test of time.
I'm cool with Vancian myself, but I will play Devil's Advocate and say that there isn't much support for Words of Power, even its own system. The standard spellcasting system got two Chapters in the Core Rulebook; one explaining how it works and one describing its powers. Words of Power always seemed cluttered to me because what probably should have been two chapters got mushed into one. Personally, I still haven't entirely wrapped my head around it.
I do think the system could be really cool if it were adopted as the official "True Namer" class.
2) Gnoph-keh. Those three can't be reprinted without additional arrangement with Chaosium. The others COULD be reprinted. Whether or not we do reprint them... wait and see.
I must have angered the Jacobs'aurus Rex at some point. That's the only explanation for why he's tantalizing me with the hope that the Colour Out of Space made it into Bestiary 4.
EDIT: Shattered Star is the cut-off point? But that means ... GUGS?!?!?!
Do my tears taste sweet to your dinosaur palette, James?
I can say that in classic Manicles you can wield a Halberd. In Standard Handcuffs you can use a Greatsword or similar shorter hilt weapon. In Non-Standard... Well you would be lucky to use a Dagger...
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2) If this vision bleed-through became progressively more severe, could it reach a point that the character is so inundated by Sorshen's memories and identity that Asheia (Sword of Lust) would trigger into a full awakening even with Sorshen (supposedly) in stasis? As in, the sword would "think" that the Runelord of Lust was awake and about?
2) Perhaps. Although not before the PC essentially is gone and replaced by Sorshen.
In that case:
1) Would Sorshen's "levels" (i.e. Level 20 wizard, mythic whatever) take over the PC?
2) Or would it be more likely that the PC's own levels would remain and he/she would just have good chunks of Sorshen's memories and mindset overwhelming what they once were?
It seems like an interesting roleplaying opportunity. A bit like Ashamintallu in #62 (Curse of the Lady's Light), actually, if the PC wanted to continue playing the character.
1) Depends on how mean the GM is feeling, and whether or not the PC was comfortable with the development. I'd probably say that Sorshen's levels would eventually take over the PC, and that the PC at that point would be forced out of the body as if via magic jar, and would die. This essentially "undoes" the "come back to life for free" effect of the trap. The PC could then be brought back to life via something like true resurrection.
2) That's also a possibility. In any event... it's not really a great roleplaying opportunity, since in either case, the PC becomes an NPC.
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Because we're happy with the magic system we have now.
We might fool around with alternate rules for all sorts of things someday, but for now... words of power is, in my opinion, a curriosity that didn't really pass the final test of time.
I'm cool with Vancian myself, but I will play Devil's Advocate and say that there isn't much support for Words of Power, even its own system. The standard spellcasting system got two Chapters in the Core Rulebook; one explaining how it works and one describing its powers. Words of Power always seemed cluttered to me because what probably should have been two chapters got mushed into one. Personally, I still haven't entirely wrapped my head around it.
I do think the system could be really cool if it were adopted as the official "True Namer" class.
I disagree.