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DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:

Hey, can you tell Sean K. Reynolds that Ghostwalk was an amazing book and the only thing I kept from 3.0?

Also: Is there a Daemon to represent Death by Chocolate?

Yes.

No.

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bodrin wrote:

1.) Why was it decided not to publish?

2.) The moniker of the author is?
3.) What was the proposed adventure title?
4.) I see stars what do you see? And what answer should I decide to see above?
5.) Can you see the stars as well?
6.) A fibre is the same as fiber yet they are both correct upon a Scrabble board sir, did you avoid the question merely to poke fun at British spelling conventions? :(
;) As such I still ask "How many fibers / fibres in a Shredded Wheat biscuit?"

Finally related to question 6.) if you were on the judging panel of a spelling bee would you disallow the alternate form of fibre in favour (favor) of fiber?

1) We didn't publish it because it was FAR too long to even ATTEMPT to publish in the magazine.

2) I can't remember, actually. It came in before I joined Paizo.
3) See #2 above.
4) A monkey with a bloody, bone club.
5) Not until the monkey brains me with his club.
6) British spelling conventions do not apply to America, unless they're in a Lovecraft story. You can keep all your extraneous, extra "U"s!

565

Depends on if the spelling be was in the USA or Britain.

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Is it an error that the Entrap ability listed in Bestiary 2 on Page 296 calls for a Fortitude save?
If not, what's the reasoning for calling for a Fortitude save in this case? I ask since it [Entrap] specifically lists webs amongst monsters' attack forms which call for such a save, but when a wizard or sorcerer throws the spell web that calls for a Reflex save (or at least it does in my current copy of the core rulebook).
(Will copy and paste an answer here to the Bestiary 2 errata thread if that seems appropriate.)


Hey James I ran into a very...intriguing situation yesterday and I wanted to know what are the chances of a Dhampir impregnating a Nymph? They did spend about a week together...

Oh and if a child is possible what the heck would it be?


James Jacobs wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Is it an error that the Entrap ability listed in Bestiary 2 on Page 296 calls for a Fortitude save?

If not, what's the reasoning for calling for a Fortitude save in this case? I ask since it [Entrap] specifically lists webs amongst monsters' attack forms which call for such a save, but when a wizard or sorcerer throws the spell web that calls for a Reflex save (or at least it does in my current copy of the core rulebook).
(Will copy and paste an answer here to the Bestiary 2 errata thread if that seems appropriate.)

When you're entrapped in something, it's less important how quick or stubborn you are (those being what a Reflex or a Will save would ask for). What's important is how strong and hale you are-how resistant to pain and how much you can endure. That's more Fortitude than any other save.

Web is a different effect than entrap. So it has different effects. In fact, it has different effects depending on if it's a spell or if it's a monster attack.

And honestly, I'd rather NOT have you copy/paste answers from here into the Bestiary 2 errata thread. That's not the point of that thread. When we do erratas for Bestiary 2, it's more important to be able to sail throguh that thread and look at the possible errors and fix things then. Putting a bunch of non-errata concerns (this includes answers, and certainly includes the invariable arguments over whether or not my answers were right or wrong) into that messageboard only fills the thing with clutter that dramatically reduces that thread's usefulness to us.

ESPECIALLY in a case like this, which isn't errata at all. At best, this topic is clarification and little more. At worse, it's seeing problems where none exist and overcomplicating things.

If it's not an error, I won't copy and paste this one... Although I can see others arguing over this for months or years to come.

Ah well, that's the internet... :D


JMD031 wrote:
You have to get up pretty early in the morning to pull one over on ol' JJ here.

Hopefully this will encourage more early risers, East Coasters, and Europeans to post in this thread.

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So James, I noticed an added bit in the history section of "The Inner Sea World Guide". Talking about a rather large blue dragon destroying villages in recent history headed northwards. Does this have anything to do with the AP after Jade Regent which you alluded to having to do something about dragons?


Run-on sentence here:

If my group of (level 1) players optimized and were slaughtering all the CR 1 monsters, and I used a worg (CR 2 monster) as an encounter without dumbing down its tactics (it attacked the squishy-est looking party member), which ended up with all the members at negative HP and the worg just scratched due to the bard critical fumbling everyone; and I had a NPC rescue them but delay their journey for a day while they recovered and they got no XP from the encounter but I then immediately directed them to a similar encounter which they got XP from, was I a bad GM? Because there was an almost-TPK in a plot-irrelevant encounter followed by cheesy DM intervention.

Note: this is the first time the players lost in a long time (and it's my first time GMing for them). I didn't make them make new characters because I didn't see the point with 1st lvl characters. The power imbalance has inexplicably cleared up at 2d lvl.


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John Kretzer wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
Don't apologize. You should continue to try and trick James into giving away spoilers. Otherwise how will we find out things before we are supposed to ;)

Well tecnically he already gaved the answear to my question on if PrCs are going to be in these books. He said he did not want to spoil any of the previews. Which means there are going to be PrCs in these books as I doubt that Pazio would have a preview that states " And No PRCS!!!"

As that really does not say much. And could be negative to people who still like PrCs.

Sure I am infering a answear from JJ's response...but I think it is a logical inference.

Besides apologizing will give him a false sense of security so we can trick him into giving spoilers...oh wait...er

James don't read the last part. ;)

I always say if the Paizo guys aren't threatening to mail live insects to your house you aren't doing it right. ;)

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Justin Franklin wrote:
John Kretzer wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
Don't apologize. You should continue to try and trick James into giving away spoilers. Otherwise how will we find out things before we are supposed to ;)

Well tecnically he already gaved the answear to my question on if PrCs are going to be in these books. He said he did not want to spoil any of the previews. Which means there are going to be PrCs in these books as I doubt that Pazio would have a preview that states " And No PRCS!!!"

As that really does not say much. And could be negative to people who still like PrCs.

Sure I am infering a answear from JJ's response...but I think it is a logical inference.

Besides apologizing will give him a false sense of security so we can trick him into giving spoilers...oh wait...er

James don't read the last part. ;)

I always say if the Paizo guys aren't threatening to mail live insects to your house you aren't doing it right. ;)

Aren't scorpions arachnids?


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Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
John Kretzer wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
Don't apologize. You should continue to try and trick James into giving away spoilers. Otherwise how will we find out things before we are supposed to ;)

Well tecnically he already gaved the answear to my question on if PrCs are going to be in these books. He said he did not want to spoil any of the previews. Which means there are going to be PrCs in these books as I doubt that Pazio would have a preview that states " And No PRCS!!!"

As that really does not say much. And could be negative to people who still like PrCs.

Sure I am infering a answear from JJ's response...but I think it is a logical inference.

Besides apologizing will give him a false sense of security so we can trick him into giving spoilers...oh wait...er

James don't read the last part. ;)

I always say if the Paizo guys aren't threatening to mail live insects to your house you aren't doing it right. ;)
Aren't scorpions arachnids?

No one knows that.;)


Given your Dinosaur fetish, are we likely to see a dinosaur 'arc' in a Campaign sometime in the distant future?


I got another question to ask. Hopefuly one that won't be a spoiler type question.

Is Pazio ever come out with Pathfinder character sheets for sale? I am guessing since it has been 2+ years you guys don't have plans to do so...I always liked them. So if there are no plans why not?

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James Jacobs wrote:
Gary Teter wrote:
Also, does knowing that there's a museum with those things roaming the halls every Wednesday through Saturday make you want to go there?
yes

Hey! That's my local museum! Those things are great. There's a baby T-Rex (feathers and all), a triceratops and they're working on a saber-toothed cat. Great fun to watch the carnivore/herbivore demonstration where they make a kid dress like meat and another one dress like a plant and then turn the dino loose ...


I'm very curious about who came up with Chammady Drovenge in Council of Thieves.

CoT:
I found her story tragic and compelling, though it took some piecing together from several AP volumes. She was complex and interesting, a product of breeding, upbringing, and devilish pacts. I hugely expanded her role in my campaign so the PC's would learn some of her backstory and have a hard time deciding whether she was villain or victim.
Kudos for building such an intriguing character.

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Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:
So James, I noticed an added bit in the history section of "The Inner Sea World Guide". Talking about a rather large blue dragon destroying villages in recent history headed northwards. Does this have anything to do with the AP after Jade Regent which you alluded to having to do something about dragons?

Huh. Check out the good eyes on Jeremy!

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Yucale wrote:

Run-on sentence here:

If my group of (level 1) players optimized and were slaughtering all the CR 1 monsters, and I used a worg (CR 2 monster) as an encounter without dumbing down its tactics (it attacked the squishy-est looking party member), which ended up with all the members at negative HP and the worg just scratched due to the bard critical fumbling everyone; and I had a NPC rescue them but delay their journey for a day while they recovered and they got no XP from the encounter but I then immediately directed them to a similar encounter which they got XP from, was I a bad GM? Because there was an almost-TPK in a plot-irrelevant encounter followed by cheesy DM intervention.

Note: this is the first time the players lost in a long time (and it's my first time GMing for them). I didn't make them make new characters because I didn't see the point with 1st lvl characters. The power imbalance has inexplicably cleared up at 2d lvl.

Did the players have fun? If they did, then you're not a bad GM.

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HalfOrcHeavyMetal wrote:
Given your Dinosaur fetish, are we likely to see a dinosaur 'arc' in a Campaign sometime in the distant future?

Kinda already did that with "Savage Tide." And dinosaurs have shown up here and there in other APs.

But a full-on Dinosaur-themed AP? Good idea!

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John Kretzer wrote:

I got another question to ask. Hopefuly one that won't be a spoiler type question.

Is Pazio ever come out with Pathfinder character sheets for sale? I am guessing since it has been 2+ years you guys don't have plans to do so...I always liked them. So if there are no plans why not?

Personally, I think that an official character sheet product would be pretty cool... but would it actually sell? They're relatively easy for fans to create and to distribute online. Would "official" Paizo sheets actually sell? Would they be worth the trouble and time, when there's lots of free options out there?

It's something we do keep coming back to looking at. It's just that we're really good at distracting ourselves with other projects, I guess.

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Treppa wrote:
I'm very curious about who came up with Chammady Drovenge in Council of Thieves. ** spoiler omitted ** Kudos for building such an intriguing character.

That was mostly me and Wes. He came up with her name, though.


John Kretzer wrote:

I got another question to ask. Hopefuly one that won't be a spoiler type question.

Is Pazio ever come out with Pathfinder character sheets for sale? I am guessing since it has been 2+ years you guys don't have plans to do so...I always liked them. So if there are no plans why not?

What would advantage would these have over the ones that are free and be printed conveniently from any printer?

IIRC WoTC sold the same ones they had on the website. It came in handy those times when a player left their character home, but if you are in an FLGS there is normally someone in the store with extras. Most players would just use regular paper for that one session anyway.

PS:..just my thoughts on the situation.


James Jacobs wrote:
HalfOrcHeavyMetal wrote:
Given your Dinosaur fetish, are we likely to see a dinosaur 'arc' in a Campaign sometime in the distant future?

Kinda already did that with "Savage Tide." And dinosaurs have shown up here and there in other APs.

But a full-on Dinosaur-themed AP? Good idea!

Agreed, I ran a 'Lost World' themed campaign, homebrewed, and the players loved it to pieces. A 'frozen' civilisation of culturally developed Lizardfolk with a distinctly Mayan theme, an ancient Dinosaur Demi-God, an evil cult led by the now-Undead disciple of the Demi-God's ancient rival, ruthless merchant consortiums vying for control of the 'Lost World' with a secret order of Wizards, Druids and Nature Clerics whom fought to keep such hidden sanctuaries free from modern influences. Players loved it to g%%*%%n bits. But as things go, the way I did it would only last three 'arcs' at most, rather than the six 'arcs' Pathfinder uses.

If I can get the damn thing restored (old hard-drive had a magnet run over it by a psychotic ex-member of our group) I'll email it in to you. Should be good for you to have a flick through and facepalm at the shenanigans the players got up to.

"No, you cannot name the Paladin's new Tyrannosaur Mount 'Grimlock'. He will eat you if you do, I swear!" springs to mind!


Why has the color of the Lich's glowing eyes changed from 3.5 (crimson) to PFRPG (Blue) ?


What was the greatest triumph that Aroden was supposed to return for?


The Guardian Beyond Beyond wrote:
What was the greatest triumph that Aroden was supposed to return for?

He was supposed to usher in a golden age for humans. James said so in another post on the boards when asked about Aroden's death.


Since Alaznist and Karzoug have featured on the cover of Ultimate Magic does this mean that they are now officially Iconic Villains?
Hmm, for that matter Karzoug was on the GMG cover too, wasn't he, so at least in his case he possibly merits the status?
Edit:
I suppose arguably the Whispering Tyrant might be considered for the Iconic Villains list too. Interesting that these three are all arcane casters though - who might fall into the 'Iconic Villain' category for a more martial type (or divine caster for that matter)?

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Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Since Alaznist and Karzoug have featured on the cover of Ultimate Magic does this mean that they are now officially Iconic Villains?

Hmm, for that matter Karzoug was on the GMG cover too, wasn't he, so at least in his case he possibly merits the status?
Edit:
I suppose arguably the Whispering Tyrant might be considered for the Iconic Villains list too. Interesting that these three are all arcane casters though - who might fall into the 'Iconic Villain' category for a more martial type (or divine caster for that matter)?

Actually, they aren't on the cover of the book, Setiyal, Alharazah and some exploding skeletons are. Karzoug and Alizant are on an inside image that Hyrum decieded to use for the wallpaper though.


James Jacobs wrote:
Personally, I think that an official character sheet product would be pretty cool... but would it actually sell? They're relatively easy for fans to create and to distribute online. Would "official" Paizo sheets actually sell? Would they be worth the trouble and time, when there's lots of free options out there?

They likely wouldn't sell as well as some people might think. As long as I had a laser printer and access to a free character sheet in digital format, I just wouldn't ever buy such a product.

My players and I use either Hero Lab print-outs or a fan-created character sheet layout that we really like, so a reproduction of the sheet from the Core Rulebook wouldn't suffice for my group's needs, anyway.


@wraithstrike and power word unzip: Re Character sheets: Not everyone has access to a printer. I understand tht I might be in the minority here in that I loved the old 3.5 character sheet (mostly because it was not 4 pages stappled together like it would have been if I printed them out...or atleast two pages).

Anyway if the Pazio does come out with a character sheet kinda of product I would be happy.


Enlight_Bystand wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Since Alaznist and Karzoug have featured on the cover of Ultimate Magic does this mean that they are now officially Iconic Villains?

Hmm, for that matter Karzoug was on the GMG cover too, wasn't he, so at least in his case he possibly merits the status?
Edit:
I suppose arguably the Whispering Tyrant might be considered for the Iconic Villains list too. Interesting that these three are all arcane casters though - who might fall into the 'Iconic Villain' category for a more martial type (or divine caster for that matter)?

Actually, they aren't on the cover of the book, Setiyal, Alharazah and some exploding skeletons are. Karzoug and Alizant are on an inside image that Hyrum decieded to use for the wallpaper though.

Gah. Fooled by the fact it was on a blog!


Obo the all seeing. wrote:
The Guardian Beyond Beyond wrote:
What was the greatest triumph that Aroden was supposed to return for?
He was supposed to usher in a golden age for humans. James said so in another post on the boards when asked about Aroden's death.

Any specifics on what this golden age would have been? In fact did Aroden say so or was it just something his followers believed?

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aeglos wrote:
Why has the color of the Lich's glowing eyes changed from 3.5 (crimson) to PFRPG (Blue) ?

Three reasons.

1) "Glowing red eyes" feels like a cliche to me, and "glowing blue eyes" feels creepy, so I changed it.

2) There's no reason why liches, like people, can't have different color eyes. But we only illustrate one of them in the Bestiary, so we had to pick a color anyway.

3) 3.5 is not Pathfinder. And changes between the two, however minor, help to reinforce that. Even though the games are compatible, they're not the same.

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Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Since Alaznist and Karzoug have featured on the cover of Ultimate Magic does this mean that they are now officially Iconic Villains?

Hmm, for that matter Karzoug was on the GMG cover too, wasn't he, so at least in his case he possibly merits the status?
Edit:
I suppose arguably the Whispering Tyrant might be considered for the Iconic Villains list too. Interesting that these three are all arcane casters though - who might fall into the 'Iconic Villain' category for a more martial type (or divine caster for that matter)?

Alaznist adn Karzoug are not on the cover to Ultimate Magic. Seltyiel and Alahazra are.

Alaznist and Karzoug fighting is one of the chapter openers in the book.

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John Kretzer wrote:

@wraithstrike and power word unzip: Re Character sheets: Not everyone has access to a printer. I understand tht I might be in the minority here in that I loved the old 3.5 character sheet (mostly because it was not 4 pages stappled together like it would have been if I printed them out...or atleast two pages).

Anyway if the Pazio does come out with a character sheet kinda of product I would be happy.

Sure... but enough people DO have access to a printer that it's quite likely not worth it for us to just print and sell simple character sheets. They'd need to bring something to your table that the average gamer COULDN'T bring to the table in order to be justified, in our view, as a for-sale product.

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Charles Evans 25 wrote:
Enlight_Bystand wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Since Alaznist and Karzoug have featured on the cover of Ultimate Magic does this mean that they are now officially Iconic Villains?

Hmm, for that matter Karzoug was on the GMG cover too, wasn't he, so at least in his case he possibly merits the status?
Edit:
I suppose arguably the Whispering Tyrant might be considered for the Iconic Villains list too. Interesting that these three are all arcane casters though - who might fall into the 'Iconic Villain' category for a more martial type (or divine caster for that matter)?

Actually, they aren't on the cover of the book, Setiyal, Alharazah and some exploding skeletons are. Karzoug and Alizant are on an inside image that Hyrum decieded to use for the wallpaper though.

Gah. Fooled by the fact it was on a blog!

heh...

Actually, we very rarely preview covers on the blog overall.

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scifan888 wrote:
Obo the all seeing. wrote:
The Guardian Beyond Beyond wrote:
What was the greatest triumph that Aroden was supposed to return for?
He was supposed to usher in a golden age for humans. James said so in another post on the boards when asked about Aroden's death.
Any specifics on what this golden age would have been? In fact did Aroden say so or was it just something his followers believed?

Nope. It never happened, so no one knows what it would have been like. Those who believed it would happen knew only that it would be the BEST TIME TO BE ALIVE. And then Aroden died and things got worse.

AKA: The BEST TIME TO BE ALIVE is also the most boring time to have adventures. Aroden HAD to die in order for Golarion to be a fun, adventure-filled setting.


On the iconic villain front, it seems to me that Karzoug has popped up in sufficient places by now to have some claim to status as an iconic villain, and the Whispering Tyrant has recurred on the Campaign Setting/Inner Sea guide covers.
So what about the martial or divine caster iconic villains?
Edit:
Depending on her exact levels (currently unknown) does Abrogail II of Cheliax perhaps qualify as a martial iconic villain?

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Hello James, is it possible to apply the Dazing Spell metamagic feat [from the APG] to enervation or the feat only works on spells that inflict "standard" damage (i.e. hit points damage)?
Thanks a lot!

T.


What is the connection between Rovagug and Groetus?

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Also, always regarding the Dazing Spell metamagic feat, if this is applied to a spell that affects multiple targets (e.g. scorching rays or fireball) are all the targets potentially affected by the dazed condition, or only one single target - chosen by the caster - can be affected?

(I am a bit confused by the feat description: "when a creature takes damage from this spell, they become dazed...")

Thanks a lot!

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Tancred of Hauteville wrote:

Hello James, is it possible to apply the Dazing Spell metamagic feat [from the APG] to enervation or the feat only works on spells that inflict "standard" damage (i.e. hit points damage)?

Thanks a lot!

T.

Enervation doesn't inflict damage, so I would say that effects that only affect spells that do damage wouldn't work.

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scifan888 wrote:
What is the connection between Rovagug and Groetus?

Ummm... they're both deities associated with the end of the world?

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Tancred of Hauteville wrote:

Also, always regarding the Dazing Spell metamagic feat, if this is applied to a spell that affects multiple targets (e.g. scorching rays or fireball) are all the targets potentially affected by the dazed condition, or only one single target - chosen by the caster - can be affected?

(I am a bit confused by the feat description: "when a creature takes damage from this spell, they become dazed...")

Thanks a lot!

If you take damage from a dazing spell and fail to save against the spell (or the daze effect), you're dazed. This means that for a spell like fireball, you could potentially daze a lot of targets.

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James Jacobs wrote:
If you take damage from a dazing spell and fail to save against the spell (or the daze effect), you're dazed. This means that for a spell like fireball, you could potentially daze a lot of targets.

Hi James, thank you very much for the clarification. And on a Sunday no less!! Do you guys at Paizo work 24/7? :)


James Jacobs wrote:
aeglos wrote:
Why has the color of the Lich's glowing eyes changed from 3.5 (crimson) to PFRPG (Blue) ?

Three reasons.

1) "Glowing red eyes" feels like a cliche to me, and "glowing blue eyes" feels creepy, so I changed it.

2) There's no reason why liches, like people, can't have different color eyes. But we only illustrate one of them in the Bestiary, so we had to pick a color anyway.

3) 3.5 is not Pathfinder. And changes between the two, however minor, help to reinforce that. Even though the games are compatible, they're not the same.

it is amazingly cool how much thought went into such a tiny-tiny detail. That is why Pathfinder rocks!

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Dear Mr Jacobs:

Some time back you offered to reveal some things about the soon-to-be-released module Tomb of the Iron Medusa. Boy, I sure would like to hear something about that eagerly anticipated adventure!

Signed, A Fan

PS (That stuff you said earlier in this thread about the Pyramid of Kamaria looks really interesting, too!)


James Jacobs wrote:
There's ABSOLUTELY a chance that we'll some day re-release an older adventure path like Rise of the Runelords. Doing something like this isn't easy, even though all the words and art are already there, though, so it'd be something we'd have to plan for a year or so in advance, just like all of our other books.

In case messageboard popularity impacts this decision at all, chalk me up as someone who would LOVE to see RotRL updated for Pathfinder and bound in a single volume as a complete adventure path. An included mini-gazetteer for Varisia would be great, too - or an additional softcover Varisia gazetteer which encompasses the info given in PF #s 1-6 to accompany the adventure path.

I'm currently running Burnt Offerings and Skinsaw Murders, and I'd love to see a more balanced and fully updated version of the adventure go to print - plus, my print copies are getting a LOT of love wear, and a hardbound copy would probably hold up much better in the long term.

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Mike Shel wrote:

Dear Mr Jacobs:

Some time back you offered to reveal some things about the soon-to-be-released module Tomb of the Iron Medusa. Boy, I sure would like to hear something about that eagerly anticipated adventure!

Signed, A Fan

PS (That stuff you said earlier in this thread about the Pyramid of Kamaria looks really interesting, too!)

Sounds like a good idea for a blog post! HEY... wait a minute... You probably already KNOW what's in there!

Still... good idea for a blog post.

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would you still hate dwarfs if they were Sun Dwarfs, who's society was focused on pleasure and debauchery, where ruled by a Kleptocracy and who's technology was mainly wierd materials?

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