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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:

Where in the Inner Sea region did the Rhomphaia emerge from? Which culture/nation would you most likely find it in (you know, similar to how falcatas and the rondelero style originated in Taldor, or how earth breakers and klars are associated with the Shoanti)?

I ask because the Inner Sea region doesn't really have an analogue to the Thracians the same way viking warriors do with the Lands of the Linnorm Kings or how Minkai, Shokuro, Jinin and the Forest of Spirits portray different aspects of Japanese history and culture.

This is the first I've ver heard of that weapon, so... Probably somewhere in Casmaron I guess.

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Slithery D wrote:
Who did the stat block for Furcas in Hell Unleashed? In format and design philosophy it very closely matches your Demon Lord and other demigod stat blocks rather than the (inferior, IMO) Empyreal Lords in Bestiary 4 and Heaven Unleashed.

I wasn't involved in that book. My guess would be Wes.

Dark Archive

Has the design team thought about making changes to stat block, reorganizing them for better "flow" when reading/using the stats?

Do you have your own customer stat block for your gaming or do you use the Paizo default?

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James Jacobs wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:

Where in the Inner Sea region did the Rhomphaia emerge from? Which culture/nation would you most likely find it in (you know, similar to how falcatas and the rondelero style originated in Taldor, or how earth breakers and klars are associated with the Shoanti)?

I ask because the Inner Sea region doesn't really have an analogue to the Thracians the same way viking warriors do with the Lands of the Linnorm Kings or how Minkai, Shokuro, Jinin and the Forest of Spirits portray different aspects of Japanese history and culture.

This is the first I've ver heard of that weapon, so... Probably somewhere in Casmaron I guess.

That being the case then, what are some weapons that people would view as traditionally "Kellid" besides the obvious greatsword and greataxe?

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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:

Where in the Inner Sea region did the Rhomphaia emerge from? Which culture/nation would you most likely find it in (you know, similar to how falcatas and the rondelero style originated in Taldor, or how earth breakers and klars are associated with the Shoanti)?

I ask because the Inner Sea region doesn't really have an analogue to the Thracians the same way viking warriors do with the Lands of the Linnorm Kings or how Minkai, Shokuro, Jinin and the Forest of Spirits portray different aspects of Japanese history and culture.

This is the first I've ver heard of that weapon, so... Probably somewhere in Casmaron I guess.
That being the case then, what are some weapons that people would view as traditionally "Kellid" besides the obvious greatsword and greataxe?

Anything you see used in a Conan story. AKA: Eurocentric fantasy weapons.

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ckdragons wrote:

Has the design team thought about making changes to stat block, reorganizing them for better "flow" when reading/using the stats?

Do you have your own customer stat block for your gaming or do you use the Paizo default?

Nope.

I use the Paizo stat block for my own gaming needs. After using it for a decade or so, I'm pretty used to it.


Mr. James Jacobs,

What song would you suggest as a theme song for a paladin in love with his goddess?

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The NPC wrote:

Mr. James Jacobs,

What song would you suggest as a theme song for a paladin in love with his goddess?

Anything filled with angst and regret.

Grand Lodge

Nex was (or is still) a +20 level wizard with magic that apparently allows him to play with planes, and I had a powerful army right? So why did he fail in trying to take over Absalom?


In Bestiary 3, the void yai oni is listed as having no role. Is that correct? Somehow I don't think it is, since anything with an Intelligence score of 3 or higher can't be a no-role creature.

Also, how are elves Chaotic Good? "Chaotic" implies that a creature is passionate, free-spirited and expressive. The only elf on Golarion that I know of who matches this description is Merisiel.

Elves as a whole strike me as Lawful Neutral. They're isolationist, bound to traditions, and don't always play nice with other races.

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Therrux wrote:
Nex was (or is still) a +20 level wizard with magic that apparently allows him to play with planes, and I had a powerful army right? So why did he fail in trying to take over Absalom?

That's unrevealed, but may be something we go into more detail some day. Suffice to say, Absalom's defenses at the time were up to the task of defending itself from Nex. How they defended it is currently not revealed, but the fact that they DID defend themselves from Nex should go a long way toward establishing Absalom as a place with a lot of protection.

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Voyd211 wrote:

In Bestiary 3, the void yai oni is listed as having no role. Is that correct? Somehow I don't think it is, since anything with an Intelligence score of 3 or higher can't be a no-role creature.

Also, how are elves Chaotic Good? "Chaotic" implies that a creature is passionate, free-spirited and expressive. The only elf on Golarion that I know of who matches this description is Merisiel.

Elves as a whole strike me as Lawful Neutral. They're isolationist, bound to traditions, and don't always play nice with other races.

I'm 100% sure that the void yai being listed as no role is an error; they should be combat role monsters.

And I'm not really into a full-on alignment debate... but! Suffice to say I feel that elves are chaotic. Isolationism can be as chaotic as lawful (we don't want to play by anyone else's rules! No laws are good enough! Etc.) Not sure where you're getting "bound to tradition" so much. And "not always playing nice" also seems more chaotic than lawful to me.

It turns out that gamers disagreeing on what an alignment means is as old as the notion of alignments in the system in the first place. That problem isn't going to be solved here.

Feel free to make elves lawful neutral in your game. They're chaotic good (normally) in Golarion.


Cryomancer86 wrote:
Thanks for doing this, as it's extraordinarily helpful. I have a few questions about the Control Winds spell. Does this spell move with the caster, or is it immobile? My second, and more important, question is the spell lists Fortitude negates. Just what does fortitude negate? Does it only negate picking up/pushing enemies, or would it negate all the wind effects such as perception penalties, ranged attack penalties, fly penalties/etc?

Sorry, I forgot to ask - do multiple castings stack for wind speed, too?


James Jacobs wrote:

Suffice to say I feel that elves are chaotic. Isolationism can be as chaotic as lawful (we don't want to play by anyone else's rules! No laws are good enough! Etc.) Not sure where you're getting "bound to tradition" so much. And "not always playing nice" also seems more chaotic than lawful to me.

Feel free to make elves lawful neutral in your game. They're chaotic good (normally) in Golarion.

I imagine that tolkien elves have a particularly strong grip as the 'default', and that an average player not incredibly into Golarion lore would project their style onto the Golarion elves. This is probably why people tend to see elves as LN. Archpaladin Zousha mentioned earlier in the thread the air of serenity and wisdom he felt elves were meant to represent. Inner Sea Races did a good job of summing up how Golarion elves are different and fit the CG standard, but not everyone has had a chance to read that book.

Now for the question!

Since Aroden's death, prophecy and fate have been 'broken'. What effect does this have on spells such as augury and divination? Is it a result of Aroden's death they have a failure chance? Or is that something GMs should account for individually in their games?

What about other sources such as 'spirits', for example? Can the future be reliably told, or is it all too foggy or ruined since Aroden's death that no seer is going to be able to accurately predict what's to come?


James Jacobs wrote:
The NPC wrote:

Mr. James Jacobs,

What song would you suggest as a theme song for a paladin in love with his goddess?

Anything filled with angst and regret.

Even for paladins of Arshea?

What about Lymnieris, who's also both lawful good and sex-positive?


James Jacobs wrote:
Therrux wrote:
Nex was (or is still) a +20 level wizard with magic that apparently allows him to play with planes, and I had a powerful army right? So why did he fail in trying to take over Absalom?
That's unrevealed, but may be something we go into more detail some day. Suffice to say, Absalom's defenses at the time were up to the task of defending itself from Nex. How they defended it is currently not revealed, but the fact that they DID defend themselves from Nex should go a long way toward establishing Absalom as a place with a lot of protection.

He had a [arty of 4 PCs on the payroll maybe?


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How do the alghollthu (not sure if I spelled that right?) view the surface world? After all, the oceans are so much bigger than those areas that just happen to be not covered in water...do they view it as a seldom-traveled and hostile part of their territory, much like we still view mountains as being part of various nations despite not living in them, sometimes requiring special gear to travel to and not being very comfortable? Or is it viewed more as territory that used to belong to them, but was reclaimed by wilderness while they turned their attention to other things, like territory that's essentially been taken over by wild animals that they either haven't been able to or haven't had the time to take care of properly? Or do they acknowledge humanity as an actual enemy who has taken territory that used to essentially be theirs, and needs to be dealt with in the long term, even if it's territory they probably think of as hostile, unpleasant, and unimportant?

Also, did the alghollthu and serpentfolk interact with each other in any significant way when the serpentfolk were dominant on the surface world? Also, did the serpentfolk have their own name for their race? Serpentfolk seems like a name humanity made up...

Finally, did the ancient troglodyte and cyclops civilizations exist around the same time as the serpentfolk's, or did they only pop up after the serpentfolk fell?

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Cryomancer86 wrote:
Cryomancer86 wrote:
Thanks for doing this, as it's extraordinarily helpful. I have a few questions about the Control Winds spell. Does this spell move with the caster, or is it immobile? My second, and more important, question is the spell lists Fortitude negates. Just what does fortitude negate? Does it only negate picking up/pushing enemies, or would it negate all the wind effects such as perception penalties, ranged attack penalties, fly penalties/etc?
Sorry, I forgot to ask - do multiple castings stack for wind speed, too?

I'd say nope.

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Nargemn wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Suffice to say I feel that elves are chaotic. Isolationism can be as chaotic as lawful (we don't want to play by anyone else's rules! No laws are good enough! Etc.) Not sure where you're getting "bound to tradition" so much. And "not always playing nice" also seems more chaotic than lawful to me.

Feel free to make elves lawful neutral in your game. They're chaotic good (normally) in Golarion.

I imagine that tolkien elves have a particularly strong grip as the 'default', and that an average player not incredibly into Golarion lore would project their style onto the Golarion elves. This is probably why people tend to see elves as LN. Archpaladin Zousha mentioned earlier in the thread the air of serenity and wisdom he felt elves were meant to represent. Inner Sea Races did a good job of summing up how Golarion elves are different and fit the CG standard, but not everyone has had a chance to read that book.

Now for the question!

Since Aroden's death, prophecy and fate have been 'broken'. What effect does this have on spells such as augury and divination? Is it a result of Aroden's death they have a failure chance? Or is that something GMs should account for individually in their games?

What about other sources such as 'spirits', for example? Can the future be reliably told, or is it all too foggy or ruined since Aroden's death that no seer is going to be able to accurately predict what's to come?

If you want to talk to me about elves as they exist in Pathfinder, though, you really SHOULD read what we have to say about them in Inner Sea Races. AKA: I don't have time to re-write that section in posts here on this board. Coming here to argue that elves in Tolkien are Lawful Neutral is an entirely different topic, and one that doesn't really have an answer since Tolkien didn't use the alignment system.

Prophecy is NOT augury nor divination. Those spells work the same as they always have, as detailed in the core rulebooks. There are no failure chances. And Aroden's death was not necessarily the cause of prophecy breaking; it's just as likely (perhaps MORE likely) merely a symptom of something else. Maybe.

The future cannot be reliably told. This is, in part, due to the fact that players have an EXCELLENT track record of going against the GM's anticipations. In a way, it was letting players play characters in the setting that "broke prophecy" in other words.

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AlgaeNymph wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
The NPC wrote:

Mr. James Jacobs,

What song would you suggest as a theme song for a paladin in love with his goddess?

Anything filled with angst and regret.

Even for paladins of Arshea?

What about Lymnieris, who's also both lawful good and sex-positive?

My answer was a quick and snarky attempt at humor, because my real answer—"It depends entirely on the paladin's deity and the paladin's personality" is the boring one I always give whenever anyone asks me a far-too-broad question on this thread. Folks are often under the mistaken impression that all things of one category must always have the same answer to a question. In truth, what I'd suggest as a theme song for a paladin in love with his goddess would be different for a paladin of Iomedae vs. a paladin of Sarenrae. Just as it would be different for a mild-mannered bashful paladin of Sarenrae versus an outgoing paladin of Sarenrae versus an enigmatic mysterious paladin of Sarenrae.

Further complicating the matter is that I don't really have that extensive a selection of "theme songs" with lyrics. My favorite music tends to be instrumental.

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The NPC wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Therrux wrote:
Nex was (or is still) a +20 level wizard with magic that apparently allows him to play with planes, and I had a powerful army right? So why did he fail in trying to take over Absalom?
That's unrevealed, but may be something we go into more detail some day. Suffice to say, Absalom's defenses at the time were up to the task of defending itself from Nex. How they defended it is currently not revealed, but the fact that they DID defend themselves from Nex should go a long way toward establishing Absalom as a place with a lot of protection.
He had a [arty of 4 PCs on the payroll maybe?

The implication that powerful heroes helped is certainly strong. Officially, if this were the case, it was a band of NPCs, but by keeping it mysterious, we allow GMs who are comfortable doing historical setting gaming to open that up to let their PCs be the ones to save the day. That's not something we'll ever write an adventure about, and as soon as we nail down the actual NPC heroes, a lot of GMs will feel like they're not allowed to change that in their game and allow the PCs to play that role, so I prefer staying vague about these topics as a result until the last minute whenever we DO decide to do more about it.

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Luthorne wrote:

How do the alghollthu (not sure if I spelled that right?) view the surface world? After all, the oceans are so much bigger than those areas that just happen to be not covered in water...do they view it as a seldom-traveled and hostile part of their territory, much like we still view mountains as being part of various nations despite not living in them, sometimes requiring special gear to travel to and not being very comfortable? Or is it viewed more as territory that used to belong to them, but was reclaimed by wilderness while they turned their attention to other things, like territory that's essentially been taken over by wild animals that they either haven't been able to or haven't had the time to take care of properly? Or do they acknowledge humanity as an actual enemy who has taken territory that used to essentially be theirs, and needs to be dealt with in the long term, even if it's territory they probably think of as hostile, unpleasant, and unimportant?

Also, did the alghollthu and serpentfolk interact with each other in any significant way when the serpentfolk were dominant on the surface world? Also, did the serpentfolk have their own name for their race? Serpentfolk seems like a name humanity made up...

Finally, did the ancient troglodyte and cyclops civilizations exist around the same time as the serpentfolk's, or did they only pop up after the serpentfolk fell?

They view the surface world as an inhospitable realm of pests and frustrating annoyances that resist extermination even though extermination is more than they deserve.

They did not significantly interact with the serpentfolk; when they did, it was mostly as enemies.


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Do you know if the Pathfinder Comic book is continuing? I don't see any new releases after Hollow Mountain #6.

Btw, Hollow Mountain was great!

What do you look for when determining a monster's "role"? Would you consider Anti-Paladin levels to be Key for a Minotaur? Reason I ask is that the Bestiary says Paladin is never Key for a monster.


Did you realize you missed this pair of questions at the bottom of the last page, James?

Cryomancer86 wrote:
Thanks for doing this, as it's extraordinarily helpful. I have a few questions about the Control Winds spell. Does this spell move with the caster, or is it immobile? My second, and more important, question is the spell lists Fortitude negates. Just what does fortitude negate? Does it only negate picking up/pushing enemies, or would it negate all the wind effects such as perception penalties, ranged attack penalties, fly penalties/etc?

Gust of Wind has similar wording where creatures in the area seem to get two chances to save, a Fort save to negate and a Fly check or Str check to avoid the effects of the spell.


JB's question reminds me...

How does one determine which non-core classes are key for advancing monsters?

Take the magus, for instance. I can't tell if it's a spell, skill, or combat role.


j b 200 wrote:

Do you know if the Pathfinder Comic book is continuing? I don't see any new releases after Hollow Mountain #6.

Btw, Hollow Mountain was great!

What do you look for when determining a monster's "role"? Would you consider Anti-Paladin levels to be Key for a Minotaur? Reason I ask is that the Bestiary says Paladin is never Key for a monster.

Because I'm a git.

Key?

Where do I find this reference?


BreakinStuff wrote:
j b 200 wrote:

Do you know if the Pathfinder Comic book is continuing? I don't see any new releases after Hollow Mountain #6.

Btw, Hollow Mountain was great!

What do you look for when determining a monster's "role"? Would you consider Anti-Paladin levels to be Key for a Minotaur? Reason I ask is that the Bestiary says Paladin is never Key for a monster.

Because I'm a git.

Key?

Where do I find this reference?

Very first bestiary, the Advancing a Monster appendix.


Voyd211 wrote:
BreakinStuff wrote:
j b 200 wrote:

Do you know if the Pathfinder Comic book is continuing? I don't see any new releases after Hollow Mountain #6.

Btw, Hollow Mountain was great!

What do you look for when determining a monster's "role"? Would you consider Anti-Paladin levels to be Key for a Minotaur? Reason I ask is that the Bestiary says Paladin is never Key for a monster.

Because I'm a git.

Key?

Where do I find this reference?

Very first bestiary, the Advancing a Monster appendix.

Thanks. I will atone with a proper question for the dinosaur lord later.

Edit: and as soon as I hit "post" I have one.

Are there any dinosaurs within 500 miles of numeria that you all included?

Visions of an armed, armored and domesticated or dominated T-rex numeria style are dancing in my head.

The natural, and wholesome counter to annihilator robots in my mind.

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j b 200 wrote:

Do you know if the Pathfinder Comic book is continuing? I don't see any new releases after Hollow Mountain #6.

Btw, Hollow Mountain was great!

What do you look for when determining a monster's "role"? Would you consider Anti-Paladin levels to be Key for a Minotaur? Reason I ask is that the Bestiary says Paladin is never Key for a monster.

I do know if the comic is continuing beyond Hollow Mountain, but I'm not the one to say it is or isn't if we haven't announced a yes or no for that elsewhere.

What I look for when determining a monster's role varies per the role:

ANY ROLE: This is any zero HD monster race who is defined by its class levels.

COMBAT ROLE: This is the default for an intelligent monster that doesn't fit another role.

NO ROLE: This is the role for unintelligent monsters, or creatures with a 1 or 2 Intelligence; these creatures are not smart enough to gain class levels.

SKILL ROLE: This is the hardest to define, but basically, if a monster has racial sneak attack dice or if it has a LOT of skill-associated stuff going on or it's incorporeal and can't cast spells it goes here.

SPECIAL ROLE: This is a catch all for monsters that don't fit any other role well for various reasons.

SPELL ROLE: This is for any monster that has a class-like spellcasting ability.

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Joana wrote:

Did you realize you missed this pair of questions at the bottom of the last page, James?

Cryomancer86 wrote:
Thanks for doing this, as it's extraordinarily helpful. I have a few questions about the Control Winds spell. Does this spell move with the caster, or is it immobile? My second, and more important, question is the spell lists Fortitude negates. Just what does fortitude negate? Does it only negate picking up/pushing enemies, or would it negate all the wind effects such as perception penalties, ranged attack penalties, fly penalties/etc?
Gust of Wind has similar wording where creatures in the area seem to get two chances to save, a Fort save to negate and a Fly check or Str check to avoid the effects of the spell.

If I missed a question, obviously I didn't realize it.

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Voyd211 wrote:

JB's question reminds me...

How does one determine which non-core classes are key for advancing monsters?

Take the magus, for instance. I can't tell if it's a spell, skill, or combat role.

If it casts spells and doesn't have a full BAB progression, it's a spell role class.

If it doesn't have a full BAB progression and has a focus on skills, it's a skill role class.

If it's a full BAB class, it's a combat role class.

It's possible for a class to fit multiple roles. For example, bard is normally a skill role class, but for something like a lillend, which casts spells as a bard, bard is a spell role class. Ranger is normally a combat role class, but if there were a monster that got ranger spellcasting (I don't think there is) it would also count as a spell role class.

There's some flexibility in determining things here; in the end, you should compare the final monster's capabilities to Table 1–1 and use common sense to make the final call.

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BreakinStuff wrote:

Are there any dinosaurs within 500 miles of numeria that you all included?

Visions of an armed, armored and domesticated or dominated T-rex numeria style are dancing in my head.

The natural, and wholesome counter to annihilator robots in my mind.

Dinosaurs could in theory appear anywhere in the form of imported exotic pets or guardians. The closest place that has dinosaurs occurring naturally to Numeria would be in Deep Tolguth below the Realm of the Mammoth Lords. There could easily be a buried biological habitat dome type spaceship with dinosaurs inside it too.

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How do giant bees (from Bestiary 2, specifically) get enough nectar to supply their hives? Are there giant flowers in the ecosystems one finds giant bees in? Or do they need to harvest from HUNDREDS of regular-sized flowers to make up for it?

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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
How do giant bees (from Bestiary 2, specifically) get enough nectar to supply their hives? Are there giant flowers in the ecosystems one finds giant bees in? Or do they need to harvest from HUNDREDS of regular-sized flowers to make up for it?

I would guess they'd have to live in a region with giant flowers, or with lots of big but still normal size flowers. OR they dwell in magic areas where that stuff's magically generated I guess.

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Are the Empyreal Lords that identify as female called Empyreal Ladies?


James Jacobs wrote:
BreakinStuff wrote:

Are there any dinosaurs within 500 miles of numeria that you all included?

Visions of an armed, armored and domesticated or dominated T-rex numeria style are dancing in my head.

The natural, and wholesome counter to annihilator robots in my mind.

Dinosaurs could in theory appear anywhere in the form of imported exotic pets or guardians. The closest place that has dinosaurs occurring naturally to Numeria would be in Deep Tolguth below the Realm of the Mammoth Lords. There could easily be a buried biological habitat dome type spaceship with dinosaurs inside it too.

Whoa whoa whoa... are you suggesting that there might be dinosaurs ON A SPACESHIP?


DebugAMP wrote:


Whoa whoa whoa... are you suggesting that there might be dinosaurs ON A SPACESHIP?

I know. This question keeps getting better and better.

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Alayern wrote:
Are the Empyreal Lords that identify as female called Empyreal Ladies?

Nope. As with Demon Lords, the use of the word "lord" here is intended to be gender neutral. It's not a great situation/solution though, and not one I'm super fond of.

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DebugAMP wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
BreakinStuff wrote:

Are there any dinosaurs within 500 miles of numeria that you all included?

Visions of an armed, armored and domesticated or dominated T-rex numeria style are dancing in my head.

The natural, and wholesome counter to annihilator robots in my mind.

Dinosaurs could in theory appear anywhere in the form of imported exotic pets or guardians. The closest place that has dinosaurs occurring naturally to Numeria would be in Deep Tolguth below the Realm of the Mammoth Lords. There could easily be a buried biological habitat dome type spaceship with dinosaurs inside it too.
Whoa whoa whoa... are you suggesting that there might be dinosaurs ON A SPACESHIP?

In fact, that's exactly what I'm suggesting, and in fact in Iron Gods this more or less exactly happens.


James Jacobs wrote:
Monkeybox wrote:
Concerning the Shoanti. There are the seven tribes, is each and every one the single tribe or are smaller groups of any particular tribe that make up the whole tribe?
There seem to be a few missing words in your question... are you asking is EVERY Shoanti a member of one of the quahs? If so, then no. Most are, but not all are.

Oh sorry, I was asking int the sense that are the quahs more akin to nations with tribes or are the quahs the tribes themselves.


ok i will do it, but what you think of the regeneration vs wail of the banshee? creatures with regeneration can be killed with death effect but, this is a death effect that causes damage...

thanks!

James Jacobs wrote:
Shogal wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Sean Terrill wrote:

Wail of the banshee; does 10 pts of damage per caster level to 1 target/2 caster levels but those closest are effected first....

does that mean that the total is limited to say...200hp divided amongst the targets? or does it do 200/target and just effects those closest first?
Wail of the banshee inflicts 10 hp per caster level in all. It basically starts chewing through enemies, starting with the one closest to you, and then working its way out until it only does partial damage to the last victim. This does mean that the more folks who make their saving throw to halve the damage, the further the wail gets, which is weird.

how do you account the remaining damage? the character dies when it drops to 0 hit points or when he drops to 0-Con? how does this work with regeneration?

Now that I read the spell again, I wonder if it instead inflicts that 10 points/level to EVERYONE who hears it. You should re-ask the question in the rules forum. But... when you do, just ask the question—don't preface it with "I asked James and he said this but now he said that" since that's clutter that will distract folks.


James Jacobs wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:

JB's question reminds me...

How does one determine which non-core classes are key for advancing monsters?

Take the magus, for instance. I can't tell if it's a spell, skill, or combat role.

If it casts spells and doesn't have a full BAB progression, it's a spell role class.

If it doesn't have a full BAB progression and has a focus on skills, it's a skill role class.

If it's a full BAB class, it's a combat role class.

It's possible for a class to fit multiple roles. For example, bard is normally a skill role class, but for something like a lillend, which casts spells as a bard, bard is a spell role class. Ranger is normally a combat role class, but if there were a monster that got ranger spellcasting (I don't think there is) it would also count as a spell role class.

There's some flexibility in determining things here; in the end, you should compare the final monster's capabilities to Table 1–1 and use common sense to make the final call.

This still leaves the question of the monk (outside of Unchained, anyway) and the kineticist. They don't have enough skills for that role, don't cast spells, and don't have a full BAB progression. There's also the medium (paladin-level casting, not many skills, no full BAB), but you didn't work on Occult Adventures.

But so far as I understand...

Classes by Role:

Combat: antipaladin, barbarian, bloodrager, brawler, cavalier, fighter, gunslinger, paladin, ranger, samurai, slayer, swashbuckler

Skill: alchemist, bard, hunter, inquisitor, investigator, mesmerist, ninja, ranger, rogue, slayer, vigilante

Spell: arcanist, bard, cleric, druid, hunter, inquisitor, magus, mesmerist, occultist, oracle, psychic, shaman, skald, sorcerer, spiritualist, summoner, warpriest, witch, wizard

Doesn't Quite Fit Anywhere: kineticist, medium, monk

Does that look about right?


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Is there a sample statblock for an intelligent magic weapon somewhere? Or a standard NPC template (I'm thinking such a weapon would be equivalent to an NPC)?

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Shogal wrote:

ok i will do it, but what you think of the regeneration vs wail of the banshee? creatures with regeneration can be killed with death effect but, this is a death effect that causes damage...

Regardless of whether it does damage or not, it's a death effect, and thus can kill creatures with regeneration.

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Voyd211 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:

JB's question reminds me...

How does one determine which non-core classes are key for advancing monsters?

Take the magus, for instance. I can't tell if it's a spell, skill, or combat role.

If it casts spells and doesn't have a full BAB progression, it's a spell role class.

If it doesn't have a full BAB progression and has a focus on skills, it's a skill role class.

If it's a full BAB class, it's a combat role class.

It's possible for a class to fit multiple roles. For example, bard is normally a skill role class, but for something like a lillend, which casts spells as a bard, bard is a spell role class. Ranger is normally a combat role class, but if there were a monster that got ranger spellcasting (I don't think there is) it would also count as a spell role class.

There's some flexibility in determining things here; in the end, you should compare the final monster's capabilities to Table 1–1 and use common sense to make the final call.

This still leaves the question of the monk (outside of Unchained, anyway) and the kineticist. They don't have enough skills for that role, don't cast spells, and don't have a full BAB progression. There's also the medium (paladin-level casting, not many skills, no full BAB), but you didn't work on Occult Adventures.

But so far as I understand...

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Does that look about right?

More or less, but again, you HAVE to be flexible. If you add class levels to a monster, sometimes those levels will work better than others. Use key roles as a starting point and as you play with the monsters in your game you'll get more and more comfortable at deciding what monsters and classes are key combinations in your game.

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Ed Reppert wrote:
Is there a sample statblock for an intelligent magic weapon somewhere? Or a standard NPC template (I'm thinking such a weapon would be equivalent to an NPC)?

Ultimate Equipment. Many Adventure Paths have at least one example of an intelligent weapon as well. Intelligent weapons don't get the same stats a full-fledged NPC gets because they've a LOT less information.


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Thanks, James.


Do drow, orcs, and other chaotic evil races make friends (among themselves or with others)?

And I mean actual friends, not "people I tolerate just long enough for them to be useful before betraying them." Drow in particular seem almost incapable of trust. Which is justified, considering they live with, you know, drow...

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Voyd211 wrote:

Do drow, orcs, and other chaotic evil races make friends (among themselves or with others)?

And I mean actual friends, not "people I tolerate just long enough for them to be useful before betraying them." Drow in particular seem almost incapable of trust. Which is justified, considering they live with, you know, drow...

Friendship as an inherently good thing, so for all evil creatures, it's difficult to make and keep friends. An evil creature can certainly make friends, but it's probably just a matter of time before that friendship ends via betrayal or something along those lines.

Chaos and law really have nothing to do with it.

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James why are so may evil female NPC's depicted as bald tattoed and pierced? The only female baddie that I can think of who is not drawn that way is Queeen Abrogail the II. Could Pazio make more female baddies that don't look they just escaped from Nidal or is that just the Female baddie fashion in Golarion?

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