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RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

So. I have a copy of the APG sitting here in my hot little hands. Every time I've cracked it open, though, it's made me sad or depressed or angry, but those are just first impressions. So let's read from the top.

DISCLAIMER: This will involve a lot of ranting, much of which will be gut reactions and probably wrong, because I haven't read the whole thing. Oh well.

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Even novice players will find things in here to customize their characters or spark ideas for a brand new hero, whether it’s feats to help them play a deadly longbow sniper or variant class archetypes to effectively model a monk from a favorite martial arts film.

I wonder if we'll get those deadly longbow sniper abilities. But as for the rest, I obviously already have the book so I don't need it sold to me.

Does anyone actually read the little anecdotes on the splash pages? I know I don't.

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I'm gonna use bold to make it easier to keep track of where I am in the book.

Well, we're off to the RACES. Apparently there's something here about how races get bonuses for choosing racially-appropriate classes? I know that something PF sort of removed from 3e, both by eliminating 3e-style favored classes and (needfully) omitting racial sub levels.

...or they're alternate racial abilities? I'm kind of vague here. So we're trading racial abilities in to customize races to suit certain classes? And they're racial traits we can change, but completely unrelated to the traits later in the book. That's a good sign that you need to find another word. Bleh.

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As with any alternate or optional rule, you must first get the permission of your GM to exchange any of your character’s normal racial traits for those in this chapter.

Okay if that is true of all alternate or optional rules, why are you stating it again? Stick that in the introduction and we're all set.

Aaaaaaand they're telling me that some of them are going to be fractional bonuses. ALL ABOUT THE TRAIN TO TINY FIDDLY BONUSVILLE, CHOO CHOO!

Oh. Apparently there are also alternate favored class abilities to replace the +1 HP/skill. Okay.

Quote:
As with any alternate or optional rule, consult with your GM to determine whether exchanging normal favored class benefits for those in this chapter will be allowed.

Again? How many times are we going to see this?

"Dwarves are alcoholics lol" seems to be a recurring theme. Hey, if dwarves spend so little time around flora as implied by the druid, how are they brewing all this beer?

You know I don't even know what the Greed racial trait is. Considering the Craft skills are still completely nonfunctional, I'm pretty sure I don't care.

Lorekeeper is awfully vague. Who are the enemies that I'm supposed to be getting a skill bonus to know about? Then again, it's a freaking +2 to k (history) so it's not exactly a big deal.

Wait, I can trade in Hardy for SR? That's pretty danged cool. In fact, that's really powerful.

Stonesinger would be pretty strong too if there were any earth spells I'd actually want to cast. I dunno if any of the other stuff is useful.

Slippery Mind (I mean Stubborn I guess) is kind of cool, too, but I'm not sure if it's worth losing +2 to saves against other spells and poisons.

WOW. Favored class options are SUPER BORING and SUPER FIDDLY. +1 to CMD against bull rush and trip? +1 to concentration checks on paladin spells? PLUS ONE HALF on DD checks for STONE traps only? That's...that's mindblowingly lame. That's not worth writing o a character sheet. I am amused that the barbarian favored class benefit helps enable multiclassing out of barbarian, though!

Grand Lodge

A Man In Black wrote:
Quote:
Even novice players will find things in here to customize their characters or spark ideas for a brand new hero, whether it’s feats to help them play a deadly longbow sniper or variant class archetypes to effectively model a monk from a favorite martial arts film.

I wonder if we'll get those deadly longbow sniper abilities. But as for the rest, I obviously already have the book so I don't need it sold to me.

Does anyone actually read the little anecdotes on the splash pages? I know I don't.

funny looks like you just did... :)

Grand Lodge

See, I expected this to be a book presenting options for players and GMs to use as fits their individual needs. Not a one size fits all book at all.

By the way, they put the part in about optional rules needing GM approval all over the place instead of just the intro for people like you who never read the into... well except you did...

*sigh* yet ANOTHER non issue here...

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Quote:
funny looks like you just did... :)

No, I didn't.

Hey, why do elves think alchemy is pseudoscience? It has reproducible, predictable results. That's not how pseudoscience works. Well, whatev. Lalala, these racial outlooks on each class are not that exciting.

I can trade in the elven magic trait for useful stuff if I'm not a spellcaster? That doesn't seme to be very good design. ...and I can raise the save DC on sleep spells. lolwut? Wasn't save DC creep one of the terrible 3.0 ideas that 3.5 was supposed to fix?

The fighter favored class benefits so far are painfully bad. I wonder if they're all lame situational CMD bonuses.

Okay, I've made it to gnomes and I'm fighting to keep from glossing over these racial class descriptions. I don't think these completist listings add anything to my game or understanding of the setting or enjoyment of this book.

Serious hat go. The oracle, summoner, and sometimes cleric descriptions are useful, but it would have worked just as well to take "[race] fighters are often professional soldiers!" and "[race] barbarians are wild berserkers!" as read. Talk about religion, talk about professions, talk about magical idioms, talk about anything but these exhaustive lists. It's just bad prose and I feel like it's a waste of my time to read it.

...I just realized that I have no clue whatsoever what Obsessive is or what it does. When I look it up, it's a boost to Craft or Profession. No wonder I didn't know what it was.

The gnome stuff is mostly interesting variants on the situational combat stuff, including a 1/day reroll a 1 on a d20 power. It bugs me that there's another +1 to spell save DCs option here, this time on language-dependent spells. Wait, it's only magical writing. I guess that's Explosive Runes and...um...the Symbol spells? I dunno, Explosive Runes is a banned spell in my games (because of PVP and because of Rune-nades), and I've never actually actually seen someone cast one of the Symbol spells.

The gnome racial favored class stuff is a little less :|. DR on the pet is enough to have a game eff-ohitstherangernevermind. This "+1/2 use of the 3+stat weakass ranged attacks" silliness is dumb, nobody uses that stuff after about level 2.

RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

Krome wrote:
inanity

That's nice.

Many half-elves dabble in alchemy! Many half-elves are alienated and turn to barbarism! Half-elves dabble in the bardic arts! Many half-elves feel alienated and turn to religion! Repeat for every single class. These class writeups weren't a good idea, I won't belabor it further (unless I feel like belaboring it again, which I probably will, you know me).

Ancestral Arms is baffling. Why would half-elves be any more inclined than anyone to take up the shuriken or dwarven waraxe? I could copy-paste this ability into any race and it wouldn't make any less sense.

Blah, these abilities are starting to blur together. What can I say about the 10th +1 to [x] skill racial ability? I will say that Sociable is kind of dumb; why do you get a bonus for failing by five or MORE? Shouldn't it be five or LESS? "Man, I wish I had said I'd slept with his mother rather than his mother was unsightly, then I'd get a second try!"

Haha, half-elves get the same bonus to multiclassing out of bard. That's hilarious. The fighter bonus is still dumb, skill points on your pet are :|, the summoner ability might be really strong (I don't remember). Hey, do witches learn like wizards or sorcerers? That might be kind of strong.

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Hey, the half-orc racial descriptions are actually kind of cool for playing against expectations. Even the uber-generic ones spark an idea or two. I'm not sure I'd feel the same way on a reread; I suspect that I might just like the descriptions for the class and it has nothing to do with half-orcs, and I like having my expectations tweaked. (Like, I expected the half-elf listings basically repeated with an extra dose of "bestial nature" and didn't get much of that.) In fact, as I read through this, I'm kind of meh. Maybe I just liked the bard and cleric writeups. A good first foot forward can go a long way, though.

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Rogue: Marginalized by society, half-orcs are often forced to sneak and steal to survive, and some find that the lifestyle suits them, becoming bandits, burglars, enforcers, and cutthroats.
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Summoner: Half-orcs are often outcasts, and hence many gravitate toward the summoner class as a chance to construct beings of perfect loyalty and friendship. Especially in orc lands, half-orc summoners tend to create eidolons that are as large and menacing as possible.

Yeah, my goodwill wore off fast.

Some of the half-orc racials are actually character ideas in disguise. Beastmaster and Chain Fighter could fit any race, really, but they're neat character ideas so whatever.

"You could trade this +2 to one skill for +1 to this skill and that skill" is dead ink, though. I don't need to pay Paizo to be told that I can shuffle tiny, easily-forgotten bonuses with negligible impact at the table around however I want. This is bad filler.

Wait. How do half-orcs have a bite attack if orcs don't? I mean, obviously I can just give orcs the same bite attack, but there's nothing about Pathfinder orcs that makes them particularly bitey. Maybe it's a fob to GW's depictions of orcs.

Half-orc fighters get Improved Bleeding To Death, looooooooooooool. There's some stacking damage bonuses for other classes, and that same Improved Multiclassing Out Of Barbarian ability again. Also, +1 skill to your pet is dumb, who will actually take that?

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The halfling class descriptions don't excite. Craven is interesting in a concept sense, but it's situational bonuses on top of situational bonuses, bleargh, and it bugs me that the race with the "lol scaredycat" alternate racial is THE ONE RACE THAT USUALLY HAS A BONUS AGAINST FEAR. Grarg. The rest is just lolwhatever skill boost shuffling.

Wait, reloading a sling isn't a free action already?

The favored class options are all tiny and unremarkable. The fighter bonuses are still hilarious.

The human class descriptions are just the vanilla class descriptions. This is inane. There was a missed opportunity to make "Eye for Talent" another "Heart of the..." ability. Also, where's my "Heart of the Cards"? They're still shuffling tiny pointless bonuses around.

All of the fighter favored class abilities are situational CMD boosts. This wins the award for the Worst Class Ability Ever*.

Wait, spontaneous human spellcasters get extra spells known? A lot of extra spells known, yowza. Rockin'. That's pretty awesome...actually, that might be too awesome. Seriously, 20 extra spells known on a sorcerer/bard/oracle? Was that intentional?

* - there is probably worse, and I know it's technically a racial, shut up.

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CLASS time. Speaking of being classy, the oracle iconic has some really impractical boobs, sheesh. Her hat is pretty silly too; she adventures in a giant metal headdress? Generic sword dude's offhand sword has a blade that doesn't line up with the hilt, heh. Maybe it's from falling on his butt, as he appears to be about to do again.

Okay, enough art nitpicking.

My memory of the playtest classes are that the alchemist was Super Weak At Like Everything, the cavalier was entirely redundant to the paladin, the inquisitor was for people who liked clerics but didn't think they involved enough arithmatic and bookkeeping, the oracle was Leftover Sorcerer Ideas, the summoner was Ash Ketchum Is Here To Solo All The Encounters, and the witch was the wizard with a different spell list.

This is the part of the cost of open playtests; you risk blowing your first-impression load on incomplete work. Open beta isn't free.

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Out of steam for now. Next up is the artificer.


If you rant about everything, is very unlikely that people in the future will listen to you whan you have something actually interesting to say.

Who cares about the oracle headress? maybe that is a ceremony dress. Adventurers go to advenure often, not always.

And don't understimate the CMD bonus. At high levels, all the bonus stacking, could make you virtually immune to a specific move (or, if the move is performed by, say, an alder dragon, less likely to be automatically owned).

Grand Lodge

really, I am beginning to wonder if this topic is just for your own amusement and self aggrandizement.

"Look I am SOOOO much smarter than these people who make millions of dollars writing this dribble!"

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Kaiyanwang wrote:
If you rant about everything, is very unlikely that people in the future will listen to you whan you have something actually interesting to say.

Well, this was supposed to be in the OT forum, where I originally posted it, because it was a stream-of-consciousness ramble. It's not in complete earnest. Please do not report it to be moved to a serious forum, as it is not a serious thread.

Krome wrote:
really, I am beginning to wonder if this topic is just for your own amusement and self aggrandizement.

You're wondering if a stream-of-consciousness ramble full of snark in the OT forum is meant to be amusing.

I'm wondering why there's any doubt in your mind.


Krome wrote:

really, I am beginning to wonder if this topic is just for your own amusement and self aggrandizement.

"Look I am SOOOO much smarter than these people who make millions of dollars writing this dribble!"

+1

I'm all for someone getting on their soapbox and having the odd constructive debate - heaven knows it happens often enough on these boards... [and can be damn insightful to boot]

However I'm with Krome on the growing perception that this is some kind of vanity rant by MiB [given his comments on the Calistria Sacred Prostitute thread]

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber
Krome wrote:


"Look I am SOOOO much smarter than these people who make millions of dollars writing this dribble!"

Millions?

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Krome wrote:

See, I expected this to be a book presenting options for players and GMs to use as fits their individual needs. Not a one size fits all book at all.

By the way, they put the part in about optional rules needing GM approval all over the place instead of just the intro for people like you who never read the into... well except you did...

Because aparantly enough of the people posted on this board to give the impression that certain basic things that are implicit need to be spelled out again and again to fend off the Rules Lawyers among us.


I am having a laugh and gaining a different perspective all at the same time....carry on.

The Exchange

huh


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Krome wrote:


"Look I am SOOOO much smarter than these people who make millions of dollars writing this dribble!"
Millions?

Yup didn't you know Paizo own the moon? Office relocation imminent :)

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LazarX wrote:
Because aparantly enough of the people posted on this board to give the impression that certain basic things that are implicit need to be spelled out again and again to fend off the Rules Lawyers among us.

Of course it's implicit that the rules can be modified at any time by the GM. "You may need to modify these rules to fit your game!" as a disclaimer before a section generally means "These abilities can imbalance the game! Be careful with how you allow them to be used." Then the rules section is almost all "Shift a +2 from Craft to Knowledge." OH NOES THE GAME BALANCE.

It's a useless warning. Nothing in that whole first chapter is going to imbalance any game except MAYBE the boosts to save DCs, and then it's an accumulative effect. (A +1 here and a +1 there and it starts to add up to a lot.) I get what they're going for with the first chapter, to remove the demand for subraces by offering people a buffet of options. It's a good idea. The problem is that the bonuses are so small and conditional and easily-forgotten that they're just a bunch of bookkeeping homework with little to no benefit.

If I blacked out every entry that could be replaced with "Feel free to replace skill bonuses or feats with different skill bonuses or feats of approximate effectiveness" I'd have as many black bars as words. :/

The Exchange

TriOmegaZero wrote:
Krome wrote:


"Look I am SOOOO much smarter than these people who make millions of dollars writing this dribble!"
Millions?

Exaggeration aside, I think the point stands.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Krome wrote:


"Look I am SOOOO much smarter than these people who make millions of dollars writing this dribble!"
Millions?

Not that unlikely. Not many, many millions, but two or three a year for the company would fit to my expectations. Catalyst had enough money for one owner to steal almost a million dollars of its profits, and its main products are BattleTech and Shadowrun, not exactly the hottest of properties at this time.

Grand Lodge

A Man In Black wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:
If you rant about everything, is very unlikely that people in the future will listen to you whan you have something actually interesting to say.

Well, this was supposed to be in the OT forum, where I originally posted it, because it was a stream-of-consciousness ramble. It's not in complete earnest. Please do not report it to be moved to a serious forum, as it is not a serious thread.

Krome wrote:
really, I am beginning to wonder if this topic is just for your own amusement and self aggrandizement.

You're wondering if a stream-of-consciousness ramble full of snark in the OT forum is meant to be amusing.

I'm wondering why there's any doubt in your mind.

lol OKay THAT is funny...

just to point out though...

Messageboards/Paizo Publishing/Pathfinder®/Pathfinder RPG/Paizo Products/

Nope nothing here about Off Topic at all... *shrug*

Grand Lodge

TriOmegaZero wrote:
Krome wrote:


"Look I am SOOOO much smarter than these people who make millions of dollars writing this dribble!"
Millions?

I certainly HOPE Paizo has made earned at LEAST 1 Million and hopefully more so far... not just this one product... actually I'd like for them to make millions off this one product in fact!

Liberty's Edge

LazarX wrote:
Krome wrote:

See, I expected this to be a book presenting options for players and GMs to use as fits their individual needs. Not a one size fits all book at all.

By the way, they put the part in about optional rules needing GM approval all over the place instead of just the intro for people like you who never read the into... well except you did...

Because aparantly enough of the people posted on this board to give the impression that certain basic things that are implicit need to be spelled out again and again to fend off the Rules Lawyers among us.

+1. considering your average 3x player forgot PrCs were "optional, subject to DM approval" and not a birthright, apparently they need to state it over and over again until players get it.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber
Wolfthulhu wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Krome wrote:


"Look I am SOOOO much smarter than these people who make millions of dollars writing this dribble!"
Millions?
Exaggeration aside, I think the point stands.

What, that they make money off it so it must be good? I don't consider South Park to be quality. (Actually, I swore off television at least ten years ago.)

Magnus: Yeah, almost a million. No one in Paizo is getting paid millions of dollars. Maybe collectively they are getting paid a few million. But that's not what he said.

Grand Lodge

magnuskn wrote:
Catalyst had enough money for one owner to steal almost a million dollars of its profits, and its main products are BattleTech and Shadowrun, not exactly the hottest of properties at this time.

NO SH$T? Serious? WOW missed that!

That SUCKS!

RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

houstonderek wrote:
+1. considering your average 3x player forgot PrCs were "optional, subject to DM approval" and not a birthright, apparently they need to state it over and over again until players get it.

If Paizo does take on this "The players are idiots who need to be reminded that they can't ever have any nice things without triple-checking with the GM" attitude that HD has, then APG will be the last book I buy.

It doesn't seem that that is the case, though.


A Man In Black wrote:

CLASS time. Speaking of being classy, the oracle iconic has some really impractical boobs, sheesh. Her hat is pretty silly too; she adventures in a giant metal headdress? Generic sword dude's offhand sword has a blade that doesn't line up with the hilt, heh. Maybe it's from falling on his butt, as he appears to be about to do again.

Okay, enough art nitpicking.

My memory of the playtest classes are that the alchemist was Super Weak At Like Everything, the cavalier was entirely redundant to the paladin, the inquisitor was for people who liked clerics but didn't think they involved enough arithmatic and bookkeeping, the oracle was Leftover Sorcerer Ideas, the summoner was Ash Ketchum Is Here To Solo All The Encounters, and the witch was the wizard with a different spell list.

This is the part of the cost of open playtests; you risk blowing your first-impression load on incomplete work. Open beta isn't free.

Nathan here, long time reader of your posts, first time writer...you are a narcisist, aren't you?

I can't help but think that all the ego, all the posturing and self-engrandizement that you've been building on these boards is an attempt to cover up some serious personal shortcoming. I'm not sure if I've ever seen you say much that wasn't aggressive, dismissive, or just insulting.

I'm guessing, and this would be somewhat tragic, that you're an aspiring writer who's work has never taken off and you're lashing out against established, successful writers (Goodkind, Hienlien, etc.) to make up for it. Not that some of what you're saying isn't subjectively valid, it very much is, just the TONE of most of what you write is very...off.


Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
A Man In Black wrote:
... then APG will be the last book I buy.

That would at least save the rest of us from your diatribes. Thus, I'm in favor of this option.


Kaiyanwang wrote:

If you rant about everything, is very unlikely that people in the future will listen to you whan you have something actually interesting to say.

Who cares about the oracle headress? maybe that is a ceremony dress. Adventurers go to advenure often, not always.

And don't understimate the CMD bonus. At high levels, all the bonus stacking, could make you virtually immune to a specific move (or, if the move is performed by, say, an alder dragon, less likely to be automatically owned).

Howdy! I think you're new around here.

Grand Lodge

TriOmegaZero wrote:
Wolfthulhu wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Krome wrote:


"Look I am SOOOO much smarter than these people who make millions of dollars writing this dribble!"
Millions?
Exaggeration aside, I think the point stands.

What, that they make money off it so it must be good? I don't consider South Park to be quality. (Actually, I swore off television at least ten years ago.)

Magnus: Yeah, almost a million. No one in Paizo is getting paid millions of dollars. Maybe collectively they are getting paid a few million. But that's not what he said.

When they STOP being successful, they have a major flop, when they are forced to sell out due to poor quality then yeah, sure... but so far the track record is pretty darn good.

Liberty's Edge

A Man In Black wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
+1. considering your average 3x player forgot PrCs were "optional, subject to DM approval" and not a birthright, apparently they need to state it over and over again until players get it.

If Paizo does take on this "The players are idiots who need to be reminded that they can't ever have any nice things without triple-checking with the GM" attitude that HD has, then APG will be the last book I buy.

It doesn't seem that that is the case, though.

Yeah, I keep forgetting the guys that spend zero time doing anything for the game other than showing up (oh, and mining endless splats so they can finely hone their over-compensations for small....personalities...) should dictate to the guy who busts his ass off for no compensation exactly how the game world should run and what classes/races/ whatever exist in the milieu.

Get over yourself. Really.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Magnus: Yeah, almost a million. No one in Paizo is getting paid millions of dollars. Maybe collectively they are getting paid a few million. But that's not what he said.

Really? Could you point out to me where exactly Krome said that every single employee of Paizo is making millions?

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber
magnuskn wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Magnus: Yeah, almost a million. No one in Paizo is getting paid millions of dollars. Maybe collectively they are getting paid a few million. But that's not what he said.
Really? Could you point out to me where exactly Krome said that every single employee of Paizo is making millions?

I did not say 'every single employee'. So I don't have to point it out. I will point out where he said people were making millions.

Krome wrote:
these people who make millions of dollars writing this

Liberty's Edge

nathan blackmer wrote:
A Man In Black wrote:

CLASS time. Speaking of being classy, the oracle iconic has some really impractical boobs, sheesh. Her hat is pretty silly too; she adventures in a giant metal headdress? Generic sword dude's offhand sword has a blade that doesn't line up with the hilt, heh. Maybe it's from falling on his butt, as he appears to be about to do again.

Okay, enough art nitpicking.

My memory of the playtest classes are that the alchemist was Super Weak At Like Everything, the cavalier was entirely redundant to the paladin, the inquisitor was for people who liked clerics but didn't think they involved enough arithmatic and bookkeeping, the oracle was Leftover Sorcerer Ideas, the summoner was Ash Ketchum Is Here To Solo All The Encounters, and the witch was the wizard with a different spell list.

This is the part of the cost of open playtests; you risk blowing your first-impression load on incomplete work. Open beta isn't free.

Nathan here, long time reader of your posts, first time writer...you are a narcisist, aren't you?

I can't help but think that all the ego, all the posturing and self-engrandizement that you've been building on these boards is an attempt to cover up some serious personal shortcoming. I'm not sure if I've ever seen you say much that wasn't aggressive, dismissive, or just insulting.

I'm guessing, and this would be somewhat tragic, that you're an aspiring writer who's work has never taken off and you're lashing out against established, successful writers (Goodkind, Hienlien, etc.) to make up for it. Not that some of what you're saying isn't subjectively valid, it very much is, just the TONE of most of what you write is very...off.

Eh, he's another in a long line of Trollman sycophants. No helping his "legend in his own mind" delusions.


Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:

If you rant about everything, is very unlikely that people in the future will listen to you whan you have something actually interesting to say.

Who cares about the oracle headress? maybe that is a ceremony dress. Adventurers go to advenure often, not always.

And don't understimate the CMD bonus. At high levels, all the bonus stacking, could make you virtually immune to a specific move (or, if the move is performed by, say, an alder dragon, less likely to be automatically owned).

Howdy! I think you're new around here.

Yes I am :)


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
TriOmegaZero wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Magnus: Yeah, almost a million. No one in Paizo is getting paid millions of dollars. Maybe collectively they are getting paid a few million. But that's not what he said.
Really? Could you point out to me where exactly Krome said that every single employee of Paizo is making millions?

I did not say 'every single employee'. So I don't have to point it out. I will point out where he said people were making millions.

Krome wrote:
these people who make millions of dollars writing this

To me this read as in "collectively". You interpret this as him saying that single people in the company are making millions. It's a different reading of the phrase. Let's not waste our time anymore with bickering over a phrase which could be read either way.

Liberty's Edge

Kaiyanwang wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:

If you rant about everything, is very unlikely that people in the future will listen to you whan you have something actually interesting to say.

Who cares about the oracle headress? maybe that is a ceremony dress. Adventurers go to advenure often, not always.

And don't understimate the CMD bonus. At high levels, all the bonus stacking, could make you virtually immune to a specific move (or, if the move is performed by, say, an alder dragon, less likely to be automatically owned).

Howdy! I think you're new around here.
Yes I am :)

Welcome aboard :)

We argue a lot here. It's fun. I recommend the toffee popcorn...


Kaiyanwang wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:

If you rant about everything, is very unlikely that people in the future will listen to you whan you have something actually interesting to say.

Who cares about the oracle headress? maybe that is a ceremony dress. Adventurers go to advenure often, not always.

And don't understimate the CMD bonus. At high levels, all the bonus stacking, could make you virtually immune to a specific move (or, if the move is performed by, say, an alder dragon, less likely to be automatically owned).

Howdy! I think you're new around here.
Yes I am :)

Welcome to the fun (and, occasionally, madness)!

The Exchange

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:

If you rant about everything, is very unlikely that people in the future will listen to you whan you have something actually interesting to say.

Who cares about the oracle headress? maybe that is a ceremony dress. Adventurers go to advenure often, not always.

And don't understimate the CMD bonus. At high levels, all the bonus stacking, could make you virtually immune to a specific move (or, if the move is performed by, say, an alder dragon, less likely to be automatically owned).

Howdy! I think you're new around here.
Yes I am :)
Welcome to the fun (and, occasionally, madness)!

Occasional?

He's being modest again.


I don't know why everyone's getting so worked up.
The title thread clearly says GONZO and in the OP he included a DISclaimer. It's clearly a parody thread, and you're all terrible people with no sense of humor.

Liberty's Edge

Wolfthulhu wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:

If you rant about everything, is very unlikely that people in the future will listen to you whan you have something actually interesting to say.

Who cares about the oracle headress? maybe that is a ceremony dress. Adventurers go to advenure often, not always.

And don't understimate the CMD bonus. At high levels, all the bonus stacking, could make you virtually immune to a specific move (or, if the move is performed by, say, an alder dragon, less likely to be automatically owned).

Howdy! I think you're new around here.
Yes I am :)
Welcome to the fun (and, occasionally, madness)!

Occasional?

He's being modest again.

Pffft. We have to let the new peeps witness the madness first hand, no amount of forewarning can prepare someone for this den of scoundrels...


magnuskn wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Krome wrote:


"Look I am SOOOO much smarter than these people who make millions of dollars writing this dribble!"
Millions?
Not that unlikely. Not many, many millions, but two or three a year for the company would fit to my expectations. Catalyst had enough money for one owner to steal almost a million dollars of its profits, and its main products are BattleTech and Shadowrun, not exactly the hottest of properties at this time.

Apparently you are unaware that Lisa and Vic bought Skywalker Ranch away from George Lucas.


Wolfthulhu wrote:
He's being modest again.

Oops, thanks for warning me that it was showing again.


Thanks for the greetings!

Indeed, I've been in other RpG forums before and madness is the rule ;)


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Mouthy Upstart wrote:

I don't know why everyone's getting so worked up.

The title thread clearly says GONZO and in the OP he included a DISclaimer. It's clearly a parody thread, and you're all terrible people with no sense of humor.

I'm not aware aMiB has a sense of humor, at least not in the manner which I understand it to exist.

Grand Lodge

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magnuskn wrote:

To me this read as in "collectively". You interpret this as him saying that single people in the company are making millions. It's a different reading of the phrase. Let's not waste our time anymore with bickering over a phrase which could be read either way.

i interpret it as 'the people writing this'. which is only a handful of people collectively.

But yes, this thread has enough offtopic trash cluttering it up.

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