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I actually had this conversation with a friend yesterday. (Ok, we actually have the conversation about every other month...)
The easiest, best way to 'fix' episodes I-III is to make Obi Wan Kenobi the central character. I know the story is about Anikin's fall, but it should not have been told from his point of view. The conversations usually cover a wide range of topics, but this is the central bit of the argument, most of the time.
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I think they would have done better to eliminate Tattooine all together in the first two movies and have Anakin be a simple Padawan, taken from his family, homesick and eager to learn. Focus on the Jedi, with Obi-Wan as the main character. Have Anakin slowly grow to be a prodigy even among the Jedi, with many of the Jedi Council pampering him. That way he develops an ego which Sidious can manipulate. In the second movie, focus on the slowly dissolving relationship between Obi Wan and Anakin, as Anakin begins to feel the lure of the dark side while Obi Wan tries to pull him back. In the third movie have Anakin decide to betray the Jedi Order to become the most powerful Jedi ever, perhaps by attempting some stunt that will give him immense power but at a cost. When he succeeds, he becomes mad with power and Sidious is able to convince him that his true enemy are the Jedi. He wipes them out, Obi-Wan tries to stop him, big battle, lava, enter Darth Vader. Meanwhile Obi-Wan takes the kids to Alderaan and Tattooine to live with foster parents. Then add in big sky battles and special effects, AFTER you have a plot, Lucas.
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Rough thoughts, need polishing they do.
Matt’s Starwars…
Episode I
Episode II
Pan to the Jedi Council. Palpatine is declining a teaching position befitting a senior Jedi, preferring to remain in the field. He returns to his Jedi modified freighter, which we now see filled with Sith artifacts and teachings. He listens to a report from one of his ‘hands’ a Twi’lek who reports that she has found two more senators who have had their minds tampered with by force users, but the other five he suspected are just being bought off. Palpatine turns to his padawan, Annikin, and tells him that the corruption must be rooted out, if only there was a strong leader. Annikin, agrees, suggesting Palpatine take the teaching position. Palpatine explains that being that close to the council will tip their hand to his investigations. Instead he orders Annikin to assist Obi-won to find the pirates. Working with them will be two other Jedi. Halcyon Horn and Padme Amadala.
In the Senate, the Corellians have brought to a vote a resolution for an embargo of Mandelore and their allies. The vote is passed. The Manelorians respond by launching an attack. The mostly peaceful and weak Republic is unable to respond effectively. The Chancellor brings up the idea of the Sparrti and their cloning faciltiies, but it is pointed out by the Jedi that it will take too long for the clones to be grown. The Force, it seems, will make rapidly grown clones go insane. The Jedi then are forced to the front lines, not only as ambassadors but as soldiers. Normal people are in awe and more than a little bit of fear watching Jedi really cut loose, each Jedi being a match for 5 or 10 Mandelorans. We first see Mace Windu in action here, actually using force lightning, as his fighting style takes him close to the dark side.
Meanwhile, the four Jedi track the pirates to their base on Weyland. Once there, they find out why the Jedi have not been able to sense them. There are animals on the planet that can ‘push away’ the force. With the number of them on the planet, the jedi realize that the entire planet is effectively ‘force immune’ They’re separated, with Annikin and Padme being together. Padme saves Annikin from a Vorskerr, and they fall in love. Meanwhile Halcyon and Obi-won find the pirates base and escape.
With the knowledge that Weyland is capable to blocking the force so that ‘quick grown’ clones won’t go insane, the republic moves to annex the world and set up a cloning base. The pirates, along with their mysterious benefactor in lightsaber resistant armor, are killed by troops led by Jedi. Suddenly the council has their clone army and is pushing the troops back.
Episode ends with Padme and Annikin getting married in secret, with Halcyon and Obi-won as witnesses. The four of them know they’re breaking Jedi law (Jedi can’t marry Jedi) but Palpatine approves and officiates. He explains that the republic is corrupt, and the Jedi have lost their way. Before the closing credits, Palpatine retreats back to his ship and consults a sith holocron, “Tell me more of the ways of the Sith, so that we may restore order and bring the Jedi to balance.”
Episode III
Meanwhile, Palpatine and Windu do come to blows over Palpatine’s accusations that Windu is the leader of the Jedi faction manipulating the senate. Windu seems to have the upper hand at first, until Palpatine goes ‘all dark side’ on him, using a Sith amulet to beat the hells out of him. He then uses Sith alchemy to break the hold of the Jedi on the senate, consequently enforcing his own hold on those senators. He explains this to Annikin, saying that it is ‘only until we can get this settled.’ He also tells Annikin that with a new jedi order, he can put Obi-won, Padme, and Annikin on the council, and rescind the rules about marriage, allowing him and Padme to live openly.
Palpatine confronts the senate floor with the revelations of the Jedi duplicity, and begs forgiveness. The Senate votes to arrest the Jedi. Cut to the Jedi council who start arguing among themselves, some were completely unaware and are mortified (yoda) some were unaware but condone it, some are complicit. Meanwhile, the clones defeat the Mandelorans by orbital bombardment of their homeworld, while the people on hundreds of worlds start rioting against the Jedi ‘oppressors’. We see small jedi chantries burning, Jedi trying to keep the rioters away from the children under their protection, torn between defending themselves and harming innocents, etc. The clone troopers under Jedi command have the same conflicts. They’re under orders to arrest their commanders, but at the same time they don’t believe their commanders are truly capable of what they’re being told. Some arrest the jedi, some end up killing their commanders, others let the Jedi flee.
The Senate, still under Palpatine’s control, vote to give him extensive powers to ‘resolve the rogue Jedi’. On hearing the rioting in the streets, he sends Annikin, along with the 501st to ‘quell’ the rioters. Those senior Jedi at the temple, fearing arrest and execution, fight back. Annikin is horribly wounded by Yoda, who barely escapes as he realizes that Palpatine is right, and he’s become an accomoplice. Palpatine rushes to the scene, desperate to save his young friend. He again turns to Sith Alchemy to save him, building the Vader we all know and love. This takes months though. During this time, Palapatine starts ‘the purge’ and explains to the council that the ‘Jedi’ are no more and that he will take the title of ‘Darth’ to show his separation from them. Vader does likewise, he then goes to find Padme, to protect her from the madness.
Padme, meanwhile, has been busy with twins. While Annikin/Darth knew she was pregnant, he didn’t know there were going to be twins, and needless to say, has been busy. Hearing the news of what has happened, and seeing Annikin openly fighting other Jedi and cut down by Yoda, Padme gives the children to Obi-won, to hide from this dark time. They both agree to hide and re-establish the Order in the future. The children will be strong force users, having Jedi parents. When Annikin/Darth confronts Padme, they fight. Padme horrified at what her love has become, lies and says she miscarried when she saw him fall. Annikin, overcome with rage and pain and anger (and Sith alchemy) kills her, saying that the line of Skywalker died with him and is no more.
Episode III ends in three cutscenes. The first is Yoda dropping off Leia and telling her adopted parents that she was an infant saved from the great temple. The second is Obi-won taking Luke to Qui-gon’s relatives on Tattoine and telling them his true story ‘from a certain point of view’. The third is Palpatine and Vader standing in the ruins of the Jedi temple. Around them are clone troopers hunting for survivors. Vader asks Palpatine when he will release his own hold on the senate. “When the emergency is over, my friend.” Palpatine replies, “We must ensure that these rogue Jedi are completely stomped out, that nothing remains of the order that has the people so terrified now.” There is the sound of a scream, cut short by a blaster. “Once we lead them into the new order, we will be able to build a Sith order to stand where this temple stood. The Sith will bring order and peace to the universe.”
A clone trooper approaches the duo, with a girl maybe two or three in tow. The trooper explains she was found hiding in the rubble, but was unharmed. Palpatine tenderly bends down and asks the girl her name. She looks up and says, “Mara.”
“See, my friend? We will start anew with the youth. We will train the survivors like Mara to be our hands, to ensure peace.”
Bascially, I want a prequel where Palpatine turns to the darkside not for cartoonish reasons, but where he is doing it for the best of reasons. The moral I want is that the ends never justify the means. My Jedi fall not because of stupidity, but because they’ve forgotten that rule. Palpatine becomes evil because he does the same. This way, Luke, by seeing that it is wrong, breaks the cycle and shows his father the same thing.
Fewer light sabers.
Fewer Force Powers.
Fewer fight scenes.
Less visual B.S. going on in every scene.
A protagonist.
Ditch the mediclorians.
Stop making Sith with stupid names.
You know what? It's hopeless. I'll just ignore everything but the original trilogy like I have for years. Let us hope that some happy accident spawns a new movie as cool as that in our lifetimes.
One more, perhaps the most important:
FILM ON A SET. Let the actors do their job! Make the director do HIS job! *grumble grumble* Even if they did just this one thing, any one of those world class actors could have been a Harrison Ford and saved a bad script through power of charisma.
Add in a few easter eggs for people who have read the later novels. Perhaps some of the aliens used in the novels, or perhaps a brief appearance by some red-eyed, blue-skinned alien commander.Well the hot blue twi'lek is from a dark horse comic, iirc.
Actually that does lead to a different problem with all six movies.
Not enough female characters in any role.
Make Anakin of approximately equal age as Obi-Wan, he is a smuggler that behaves much like Han Solo.
Clones are of mandorlians that have been tempted by Palaptine to start a war against the Republic as a way of reclaiming their honor. They need the clones because there are not a large enough number of them.
The large number of clones disrupt the force, they are not natural life, while one clone here and there is not a big enough problem to notice, hundreds of thousands are.
This disruption makes it hard for the jedi to use their powers, thus why they do not initially recognize Palaptine for what he is.
NO MIDI-CHLORINES. "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."
The first two movies involve Obi-Wan trying to determine where the clones are coming from, with the help of his new friend, Anakin the Smuggler. While traveling and fighting, they run away from a clone squadron, through an asteroid field, Obi-Wan questions the wisdom of the action, Anakin with a big smile on his face says, "Asteroids do not concern me." Obi-Wan realizes that Anakin is using the force in very untrained and undisciplined way, and he is quite strong. At this moment, Obi-Wan realizes he can train Anakin to be a Jedi. By the end of Episode 2, Anakin appears to be a full-fledged Jedi. Anakin also has a girlfriend, a young woman from Corusant, unknown to him she is of the royal family who has run away from home to live like an outlaw.
In Episode 3, Clones are attacking a station with Anakin's love interest on it. Anakin is delayed because he is helping Obi-Wan elsewhere. It looks like everyone dies, but in reality Anakin's lady is rescued, though badly injuried she is unconscious/in a coma for a long while. Anakin enraged, sneaks upon a clone command ship and tracks down the leader of the clone army, only to find palpatine, who captures Anakin and then tortures him until he breaks. He bends Anakin to his will and makes him believe that Obi-Wan is at fault for the death of Anakin's love.
Anakin faces Obi-Wan and is defeated brutally, but before Obi-Wan can finish his old apprentice, Palpatine comes with troops and drives Obi-Wan off. Using his Sith abilities, he rescues Anakin, but ties his lifeforce to his own. Anakin must serve Palpatine if he wishes to live. A reformed Anakin, now known as Darth Vader, is sent to hunt down the Jedi, which he does. He is told it is the only way for him to be powerful enough to face and defeat Obi-Wan.
Along the way, Obi-Wan finds Anakin's love interest. He tells her that Darth Vader, destroyed Anakin, and will hunt her down, and her children, which she has had while recovering from her injuries. He convinces her to split the children up, sending the son to Anakin's brother, and she returns to her family on Corascent with the girl, he still does not know she is of a noble house. She does.
Palpatine conquers the old republic, making a treaty where he will be emperor and the senate shall stay intact as a legislative body.
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Throw out the whole prequel mess entirely and start over with Obi-wan and Anakin (not the horrible Anakin from the prequels, that got thrown out remember?) meeting in an unusual circumstance to become friends. Building on the relationships of a freshly promoted Jedi Knight and some kind of fighter pilot. Perhaps Obi-wan being sent on a mission to investigate something for the council about missing scientists and really build up a mission that might actually require an adventure, plus add a precursor to the clone wars.
Some amount of continuity too between Obi-wan and Owen Lars as well, as I much prefer them to be related rather then the Owen/Anakin step-brother thing.
Anakin, a local pilot ends up getting entangled in one of Obi-wan's damn fool adventures and they end up friends. Anakin probably shows signs of being force active, has a bit of a temper when he loses and we could enter into kind of an Obi-wan/Yoda conflict regarding force adepts who are outside of the Jedi order and what can be done about them. That makes being a Jedi Knight a bit more about indoctrination, getting them young so they don't make foolish mistakes and will tow the line of the council, something Obi-wan might be a bit more liberal about given his young age and helps to set up the later conversion to Darth Vader while giving the audience someone who needs explanations of what's going on so the audience knows too.
Episode 2 and 3 would mainly focus on the Clone Wars, Anakin becoming more aware of just what the force can do but keeping it a secret from Obi-wan whose offering him pointers and helping to explore the more positive side while Anakin's own negative feelings has him using the force abilities not as intended behind his friends back. You keep some emotional conflict and probably add in a love interest at this point to continue to muck things up for the two of them. The emperor seizes power in a more benign method due to convenient accidents or assassinations. The clone wars begin with the production of the clone soldiers versus perhaps traditional troops. The best and brightest being cloned (including the emperor) instead of just one bounty hunter because that was really stupid. Armies fight wars in space and on planets, the remaining Jedi Knights using what resources they have left to try to find the source of the clone armies and bring peace between the factions that have left the galactic senate in protest.
Eventually it all concludes with Obi-wan fighting his former pupil inside the cloning facilities, the Empire being formed and reconquering the systems that had left it, the remnants of the Jedi knights being scattered, the first rumblings of the rebellion and Luke and Leia being born. The mother taking Leia back to Aldaran and Obi-wan begging his brother to help him hide both himself and the child.
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Add in a few easter eggs for people who have read the later novels. Perhaps some of the aliens used in the novels, or perhaps a brief appearance by some red-eyed, blue-skinned alien commander.Well the hot blue twi'lek is from a dark horse comic, iirc.Actually that does lead to a different problem with all six movies.
Not enough female characters in any role.
I agree, we need more female wookies, female jawas, and female sullustans in the series. Wait, wha-? >_<
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I agree, we need more female wookies, female jawas, and female sullustans in the series. Wait, wha-? >_<Add in a few easter eggs for people who have read the later novels. Perhaps some of the aliens used in the novels, or perhaps a brief appearance by some red-eyed, blue-skinned alien commander.Well the hot blue twi'lek is from a dark horse comic, iirc.Actually that does lead to a different problem with all six movies.
Not enough female characters in any role.
Depending on how they are modled, female bothans aren't that bad ;-)
It would be amusing to see a pair of aliens, one huge the other smaller and unassuming, and the big one be the female.
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I was thinking more along the lines of Thrawn from the Heir to the Empire trilogy. Those books were good enough to be movies 7-9 if anyone had wnated to get around to them. Sadly, all the actors are far to old for it now.
Agreed Jason. Course with the way effects are going they could make very realistic character models of them that are basically age appropriate. Still get the originals for their voices and performance capture if at all possible.
Edit: look at the second Force Unleashed II trailer to see how well they can model an actual person and that's only for a game cutscene. Okay a trailer actually, but still :)
I agree, we need more female wookies, female jawas, and female sullustans in the series. Wait, wha-? >_<Add in a few easter eggs for people who have read the later novels. Perhaps some of the aliens used in the novels, or perhaps a brief appearance by some red-eyed, blue-skinned alien commander.Well the hot blue twi'lek is from a dark horse comic, iirc.Actually that does lead to a different problem with all six movies.
Not enough female characters in any role.
Actually, we do. (Yes, it is true, female character have other reasons for existing then "fanservice".)
What I mean is, by improving the gender balance you open up more avenues of character interaction. (But, then again love is a path to the dark side, isn't it.)
I haven't seen it, but supposedly the fan-made Phantom Edit made Ep 1 a watchable film. Of course, anything would have made Ep 1, including gasoline and matches.
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Please don't get rid of Qui-gon! He/Liam Neeson was the greatest part about the first one. If you don't want to make him Obi-won's teacher than fine ... but give him a place.
Actually that brings up something I'd do- keep him around for all three. Also pick a new Anakin. I'm sure script was an issue but I thought Anakin just came off as a douchebag. I never liked him and for a story about a tragic hero/villain, I think I should care about what happens to him. Instead I want to watch Return of the Jedi to see him get hit a few times by Luke.
Anakin's trip to the dark side would also change. Guy is constantly angry at ... what? The sandpeople i get a little bit but it just seems so weak (as in I'm not buying it) to me.
Someone said it before and I agree it should be him learning/discovering some parts of the dark side and finding out that he's just more connected to that side. Like maybe he struggles with the light side stuff while the dark side comes easier and easier, and he finds himself outpacing what he could do on the light side easily.
And yes, please some non-jedi. A smuggler, a bounty-hunter ... iono ... SOMETHING. I'll even take a soldier (not a trooper ... they're a dime a dozen apparently).
Also, as has been said, a female lead that doesnt just talk would be nice. Aayla Secura (the blue female twi'lek in the prequels) would be a good place to start. Yes I have a soft spot for twi'leks in general but she showed up for all of like 5 seconds to be shot with no fight in her. Seems a little wasted.
OH! Almost forgot I would have Mace Windu die in an awesome self sacrafice way to maybe save padame and thus Luke and Leia. It's Samuel L. Jackson for crying out loud. Guys too cool for that cheap ass death.
It would be easier to list what I would keep instead of what I would change:
Natalie Portman
Er...Natalie POrtman's torn costume from #2 (or was it #3 ?)
It was in #2
... the only one by the way where Padme Amadala was an interresting character. :(
Like pressman, I think the prequels need Han Solo.
I have always wanted the trilogy to be about the friendship of Obi-Wan(an idealist), Anakin (Han Solo type) and Owen(who gets dragged into adventures--someone has to look after his fool for a brother). Of course, they would need a "fast ship".
I have tried to protect my kids from the most recent trilogy. Rooting for Anakin is like rooting that young Hitler survives childhood.
I have tried to protect my kids from the most recent trilogy. Rooting for Anakin is like rooting that young Hitler survives childhood.
Actually, a better idea ...
Do not make the Prequels!
Many of the problems could have been avoided by going in the other direction. (i.e., Episodes 7,8,9)
My thought would be to accept that your actors are older and do something in Luke Skywalker "New Jedi Accademy" era. The story would be about new main characters, with Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher (and, now expensive, Harrison Ford) in supporting roles.
The plot would probably focus on a rebirth of a new Sith Order (Necessarily a different direction then the Dark Horse comics series.).
A wise man once said a great remake would be one where Darth Vadar uses the force to win breakdancing competitions and force chokes anyone who uses the word midichlorians.
Rough thoughts, need polishing they do.
Matt’s Starwars…
Episode I
** spoiler omitted **...
Wow! Just wow!
Maybe in 15 or so years some clown like Michael Bay will remake the movies and actually listen to the fans.
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Rough thoughts, need polishing they do.
Matt’s Starwars…
Episode I
** spoiler omitted **...Wow! Just wow!
Maybe in 15 or so years some clown like Michael Bay will remake the movies and actually listen to the fans.
Thank you.
Another way to look at it would be to make the Republic Camelot. In this scenario, the Emperor would be Morgain, while Annikin would be Mordred. I'd make Yoda Merlin (duh) and Obi-won would be Percival.
In essence, you have the Republic with an Emperor already (Arthur) and the Jedi are his knights of the round table, Yoda as advisor, Qui-gon as Lancelot, etc. If you really want to twist it, make the Emperor's wife a political marriage (maybe from the Trade Federation?) and Palpatine her advisor. He sees the budding relationship between Qui-gon and the Emperor's wife, flourishes it, and they conceive Annikin. She conviently dies in childbirth, and Anni is raised by the Emperor, not knowing that he's not his son. When Palpatine/Morgaine reveals this fact to the Emperor, he's devistated and casts the Jedi out. Palpatine is confronted by Yoda, and uses some sith ritual to tie the muppet's life force to Dagobah (like Morgaine trapping Merlin). The trillogy culminates with Annikin/Vader/Mordred killing his 'father' and Palpatine taking the throne 'for the duration of the emergency' In this case Luke (and Leia!) would be the holy grail.
That said, I like the 'road to Empire paved with good intentions' idea better.
Wow, where to start on a reboot. The prequels where so bad I would throw out everything, sorry Natalie even you.
What I was expecting when I first heard about the prequels was that Anakin would be corrupted in the first, killing Jedi in the second and building the empire in the third. Yes I know I set myself up for disappointment but a lot of star wars fans knew a lot of the back story already and I think we were expecting something way different then what we got.
Here's my prequel:
(I didn't realize how long this would be sorry)
A lot of this is not original either, a lot of the ideas come from sources that I had read some more then 10 years before the prequels came out and i cannot remember their names. This is just how I think the movies should have gone. George Lucas had promised a much darker tone to the prequels and I was disappointed to have to wait to the third movie to see it.
First.
-the old chancellor dies the senate is divided on who to elect as Chancellor, in no small part by palpatine who many feel is no threat because hes old and weak, he works all sides against each other as his planet is small and considered neutral into unleashing clones on their enemies thus the clone wars start
-the Jedi stand with the majority in the senate but do little to help, a few Jedi join the fight but not many, Coruscant remains neutral ground where negotiations are held to end the war. because of the endless clones and the inability to find the cloning centres the war could last indefinitely
-no child Anakin, he's already a Jedi knight fighting in the endless clone wars where all sides used clones not goofy robots
-Anakins starts to get frustrated with what he sees as a waste of time and life and starts to chaff under the command of Obi-wan who is steadfast and does his duty
-Palpatine meanwhile is cleverly scheming and moving pieces in the senate gaining allies through clever politics and promises and maybe some subtle uses of the force, the senate believes him to be a neutral player during this time he writes a treaty on politics and power gaining the respect of his fellow senators as well as Anakin who reads it
-the senate (all sides) impressed by Palpatine elect him Chancellor bringing peace to the republic, his first order of business, a treaty that has all sides destroy their cloning centres. Palpatine of course has his own squirrelled away
-the movie ends with Anakin meeting Palpatine and discussing how the Jedi did little or nothing to help the republic in its time of war (many deciding not to get involved because it didn't disrupt their lives at the temple on Coruscant) Anakin tells Palpatine that the Jedi have become focused to much inward and no longer care about the galaxy. Palpatine then re veils that there are other ways to learn the force ways the Jedi don't know, using the dark side he subtlety weakens Anakins will and slowly corrupts Anakin. The movie ends with Anakin asking for instruction in these secret teachings.
-The whole movie should stretch 15 years allowing Anakin to be about 35 at the end, and Obi-wan about 55
Second.
-the movie opens with the destruction of the Jedi temple. the Jedi so focused on themselves and clouded by the dark side don't even see it coming. almost all the Jedi in the temple are killed, many that escape the rubble are cut down by clones that have been drafted into the depleted republic army by Palpatine. some do escape.
-Palpatine turns the galaxy against the Jedi, pointing out their cowardice during a conflict that almost destroyed the republic. the people still weary of a war that killed so many, except the Jedi who hid in their temple, also start lashing out driving Jedi from their planets
-the surviving Jedi that escape try and form a resistance, Anakin joins them but they don't know he's been turned to the dark side. one by one they start getting killed off by ambushes whenever they try to strike back at the chancellor.
-eventually they figure out that Anakin is the traitor and are confused when they can't sense the darkness within him. Anakin fights 10 or more Jedi in a epic battle, because he is battle hardened by 15 years of fighting in the clone wars and they are soft Jedi who mostly focused on the inner he immerges the victor taunting them with their weakness.
-Anakin then starts hunting down the Jedi that weren't on Coruscant. He tracks them and kills every Jedi he comes across. on one of these planets he meets his future wife, no longer bound by the Jedi code he is free to marry. he keeps this a secret from palpatine or so he thinks
-Palpatine in the mean time teams up with a brilliant man called Tarkin and start rebuilding the shattered republic navy. the first star destroyers are built and tie fighters are seen for the first time
-Yoda realizing he can't fight the new rising power flees to dagobah after receiving a vision through the force that he must survive and train the future Jedi when the time is right, he tells Obi wan where he went and no one else
-one of the last Jedi for Anakin to find is his old master Obi wan. He finds him meditating in a volcano above the lava on a ledge. They dual, the fight is long and both are injured when finally Obi wan manages to cut off both Anakins legs sending him tumbling into the lava. Obi wan thinking Anakin is dead flees the planet fighting his way through anakins troopers. the dark side keeps Anakin alive when he calls out for it corrupting him to the core. His troopers find him and rush him to Palpatine.
-during the duel Anakin re veils he will soon have heirs to carry on his name and Obi rushes to find Anakins wife. Palpatine also finds out and sends an assassination squad to end a potential threat to his power. obi gets there first saves Anakins wife. realizing she is in danger because of her husband she flees with obi to alderaan. when she delivers twins obi takes one to tatooine where he keeps an eye on him with Lars and Obi cooking up the story that Lars is Luke's uncle
-at the end of the movie Anakin becomes Darth Vader as Palpatine not wanting to loose his best tool gets a suit of armour constructed to allow Vader to walk.
-this movie should cover 5 years making anakin 40 and obi 60.
Third.
-this movie starts with Palpatine appointing sector governors and reopening his secret cloning centre. he starts by making more workers so he can make more ships and starts active recruitment into the republic army to start taking over for his old clones who are starting to shut down. he also starts the imperial academy to train the best naval officers and pilots.
-Anakin now Vader continues his hunt of Jedi who have eluded him thus far. Vader throws himself into his job with more zeal having learned from palpatine that the Jedi are responsible for the death of his wife (shes not dead yet but hey palpatines a good liar) insert a couple of good lightsaber fights.
-some senators realizing what palaptine is up to form a rebel group knowing that they are seriously overpowered. they quietly gain a little support for their cause. obi comes out of hiding to help them
-Palpatine with the full force of the navy appoints himself emperor of the republic and renames it the galactic empire. most planets happy with the peace and prosperity accept then new status qua any that openly revolt are taught a swift lesson by the might of the new imperial navy.
-the governors secure in their power start abusing their planets and making themselves rich. this drives more people into the arms of the rebels.
-the rebels with the help of the mon cals and obi discover the location of the cloning centres and launch a daring strike. destroying the cloners the rebels attack is a huge success but it comes with almost the loss of their whole fleet. fleeing to the shadows they seek to rebuild
-obi returns to tatooine to help protect Luke
-the movie ends with the death of anakin's wife and the adopting of leia into the royal family. the first death star being built. Vader being recalled from his Jedi hunt to protect it and put in the service of tarkin.
-this movie should cover 3 years so by the time A New Hope rolls around Vader will be 60 and Obi is 80
Some things are just better left mysterious...We didn't need to see Vader as child...Hitler was a child once, he had a family, he still grew up frickin evil with a personality like jedi mind control gone awry...And although I may have made a LE character or two and even played a sith in an RPG, it made the jedi all look like fools at best and arrogant a%^holes at worst instead of heroes like Luke Skywalker.
Few prequels are worth the effort...Instead of Vader's past, it should have been the past of the Republic or better yet, actual sequals...
although to be honest the weak link in making the prequels was Lucas himself....I know what you are thinking-Blasphemy! But the best written of the original was ESB and he wasn't the main writer, although he did provide the most important scene about Vader being luke's father. I have read most of the SW novels and some were very well written as was the SW comics set in the prequel era. Most gave better insight than the actual movie prequels. Of course the best Trek episodes were also NOT written by Roddenberry for that matter.
Lucas and Rodenberry were both "Idea men" who had brilliant concepts but have not always been great at dialogue. They work at their best when teamed with others. This is not to diss their talent. Lucas is a genius...an evil genius since he invented the movie merchandising monster...but a genius nonetheless. But even genius' have weaknesses.
However I must say, the actors chosen for the sequels was awesome...They were all great actors--yea, even Christensen who I have seen do decent in other things--but hampered by weak scripts.
Lucas borrowed a few good ideas from the expanded universe...he should have included some of the expanded universe writers in finalizing his script. But I personally think, erase the prequels and make sequels...I would love movies or a TV series based on the Legacy comic set 100+ years after the original trilogy.
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This is not to diss their talent. Lucas is a genius...an evil genius since he invented the movie merchandising monster...but a genius nonetheless. But even genius' have weaknesses.
Lucas is a genius at special effects, but purely average at filmmaking and AWFUL at script writing. The scripts for Star Wars were horrid, it was really only the actors, the special effects and the novelty of the genre that rose it above its terrible script. Unfortunately Lucas made a lot of people a lot of money, and they surrounded him with sycophants who were paid to keep him happy and producing instead of actually constructively criticizing his less than stellar efforts. I actually pity the man, but it still doesn't excuse the Special Editions or the train wrecks that are the prequels.
Some things are just better left mysterious...We didn't need to see Vader as child...Hitler was a child once, he had a family, he still grew up frickin evil with a personality like jedi mind control gone awry...And although I may have made a LE character or two and even played a sith in an RPG, it made the jedi all look like fools at best and arrogant a%^holes at worst instead of heroes like Luke Skywalker.
Few prequels are worth the effort...Instead of Vader's past, it should have been the past of the Republic or better yet, actual sequals...
although to be honest the weak link in making the prequels was Lucas himself....I know what you are thinking-Blasphemy! But the best written of the original was ESB and he wasn't the main writer, although he did provide the most important scene about Vader being luke's father. I have read most of the SW novels and some were very well written as was the SW comics set in the prequel era. Most gave better insight than the actual movie prequels. Of course the best Trek episodes were also NOT written by Roddenberry for that matter.Lucas and Rodenberry were both "Idea men" who had brilliant concepts but have not always been great at dialogue. They work at their best when teamed with others. This is not to diss their talent. Lucas is a genius...an evil genius since he invented the movie merchandising monster...but a genius nonetheless. But even genius' have weaknesses.
However I must say, the actors chosen for the sequels was awesome...They were all great actors--yea, even Christensen who I have seen do decent in other things--but hampered by weak scripts.
Lucas borrowed a few good ideas from the expanded universe...he should have included some of the expanded universe writers in finalizing his script. But I personally think, erase the prequels and make sequels...I would love movies or a TV series based on the Legacy comic set 100+ years after the original trilogy.
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Far from being "Blasphemy," One other thing that was "wrong" with the prequels, is that Lucas, in his paranoia, threw out the best resource he had on making the characters more "real" - namely the actors. One of the main reasons that the original films were generally better, is the the input the actors had in tightening up the scripts and polishing their characters.
(Kind of what I said.) My only difference is that - for marketing reasons - I would have wanted to keep closer to the original trilogy. ;)