Anyone Received Their APG Subscription PDF yet?


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Wow that was fast! Paizo processed all of their subscription pre-orders for the Advanced Player's Guide in a matter of hours. :D

I'm downloading mine now! :D :D


On the issue of piracy - I have friends who downloaded PDFs (though they don't upload) and I have bought books (both from Paizo and some other publishers) because of what they showed me. So while I'm not going to say there aren't unscrupulous people out there, who will simply steal rather than buy, the "black market" also attracts some legitimate buyers. Sort of a try-before-you-buy type thing.

That said, whether they upload or not I don't share my purchased PDFs with others - if they want to read it, they can get read from my laptop or buy it themselves.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Devilkiller wrote:
Can I get a copy early if I subscribe to something now? If so what would I have to subscribe to, and how early would I get the PDF? Granted, it is only a week and a half, but it is tough to sit here preparing adventures for my Wednesday game when I know that I could be wasting my time reading all those new feats and archetypes instead...

If you subscribe to the Pathfinder RPG line, and choose to start with the APG, and don't instruct us to hold your order for anything, you'd probably get the PDF later this week.


Got it (apf, 36 & 37). All downloaded....

-- david
Papa.DRB

Liberty's Edge

Brett Gillespie wrote:
Wow that was fast! Paizo processed all of their subscription pre-orders for the Advanced Player's Guide in a matter of hours. :D

I wouldn't say "all".

Still waiting (at least I have a Warcraft raid to occupy me).


Robert Little wrote:
Brett Gillespie wrote:
Wow that was fast! Paizo processed all of their subscription pre-orders for the Advanced Player's Guide in a matter of hours. :D

I wouldn't say "all".

Still waiting (at least I have a Warcraft raid to occupy me).

Nothing to occupy me besides an F5 key and my self hatred.

Ship me the APG! I have the funds! Take my money!

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

Ice Titan wrote:
Robert Little wrote:
Brett Gillespie wrote:
Wow that was fast! Paizo processed all of their subscription pre-orders for the Advanced Player's Guide in a matter of hours. :D

I wouldn't say "all".

Still waiting (at least I have a Warcraft raid to occupy me).

Nothing to occupy me besides an F5 key and my self hatred.

Ship me the APG! I have the funds! Take my money!

[Ahnold]

I'm here!!
Charge me!!
Come on!!
Ship to me!!
I'm here!!
Do it now!!
[/Ahnold]

The Exchange

Ice Titan wrote:
Robert Little wrote:
Brett Gillespie wrote:
Wow that was fast! Paizo processed all of their subscription pre-orders for the Advanced Player's Guide in a matter of hours. :D

I wouldn't say "all".

Still waiting (at least I have a Warcraft raid to occupy me).

Nothing to occupy me besides an F5 key and my self hatred.

Ship me the APG! I have the funds! Take my money!

here here! I need something to eagerly look forward to reading while I'm at work tomorrow!

Shadow Lodge

All of it is mine! Mine I tell you!


Oh, yeah... downloaded and unzipped. Nothing will get done on work today :)

EDIT: One thing though... the shipment didn't contain Kingmaker #6, which might explain why some people haven't received their copies yet. If you haven't selected the "Never hold anything" option the shipment will probably be delayed until Kingmaker #6 is ready for shipping.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber
evilash wrote:

Oh, yeah... downloaded and unzipped. Nothing will get done on work today :)

EDIT: One thing though... the shipment didn't contain Kingmaker #6, which might explain why some people haven't received their copies yet. If you haven't selected the "Never hold anything" option the shipment will probably be delayed until Kingmaker #6 is ready for shipping.

Mine had Kingmaker #6 and #1 of the next series.

Busy reading it all, but had to take a break!


miniaturepeddler wrote:

Mine had Kingmaker #6 and #1 of the next series.

Busy reading it all, but had to take a break!

Nice to see someone with lots of subscriptions get their APG today, maybe tomorrow is my lucky day :)


International Orders come last? Could I know that please?


Xum wrote:
International Orders come last? Could I know that please?

Pretty sure it is chronological as my roommate just got his last night but I have yet to get mine! Probably will see the PDF in a couple days while he taunts me with his pdf's!


Yeah it should be chronological indeed, funny though that I got the subscription together with the Bestiary, I guess paizo has a lot more subscribers than I imagined then... if chrolonogical is indeed the way they are doing it...

Sovereign Court

Xum wrote:
Yeah it should be chronological indeed, funny though that I got the subscription together with the Bestiary, I guess paizo has a lot more subscribers than I imagined then... if chrolonogical is indeed the way they are doing it...

To add to the speculation:

I thought their shipping system was set up to process similar orders at the same time - so everything is all taylorized and fewer errors are made.


I doubt it's chronological since I'm a very early subscriber and don't have mine yet. I did add a couple of other items to my order so the "Alike orders" explanation makes sense.


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I some how seem to have gotten grouped with Sharoth, funny I don't really annoy Cosmo, just PMG on chat..

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Card Game, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Xum wrote:
Yeah it should be chronological indeed, funny though that I got the subscription together with the Bestiary, I guess paizo has a lot more subscribers than I imagined then... if chrolonogical is indeed the way they are doing it...

This is why I don't think it's chronological - a reasonable portion of the orders will have been added at effectively the same time (when the previous product ships)

Certainly they've said in the past that similar orders are together to reduce errors.

#also, it'll be different this months, as a large percentage of orders will only have done the electronic bits (taking money, giving PDFs), as the physical books will be on a truck to Gencon.

Dark Archive

I must have annoyed Cosmo or someone else. I'm still waiting. Maybe there is a lot to process this time.


*Runs through the virtual ethernets with his virtual APG squeeling like a girl*
"Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee........."

Dark Archive

Well maybe I'll have mine tomorrow.

Grand Lodge

Dern it, I need my PDF before this weekend. I have a drow warband to stat up for the party's trip to the Underdark and I bet some of the material I'm hearing about will make it a real surprise!


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Dern it, I need my PDF before this weekend. I have a drow warband to stat up for the party's trip to the Underdark and I bet some of the material I'm hearing about will make it a real surprise!

Oooo.. Drow Antipaladin's with their Touch of Corruption (damaging lay-on-hands) and Cruelties (rider effects)... *drool*

Paizo Employee CEO

The order that you get shipped is almost entirely random. Some sub shipments, you could end up first. The next, last. We have a huge stack and we plow through them as fast as we can. But there isn't really any more organization than, print off huge stack of orders and start processing them from the top to the bottom.

-Lisa


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Lisa Stevens wrote:

The order that you get shipped is almost entirely random. Some sub shipments, you could end up first. The next, last. We have a huge stack and we plow through them as fast as we can. But there isn't really any more organization than, print off huge stack of orders and start processing them from the top to the bottom.

-Lisa

So who do we bribe to move from the bottom to the top and what is the going rate (how many of Lilith's cookies will it take)? ;)


Lisa Stevens wrote:

The order that you get shipped is almost entirely random. Some sub shipments, you could end up first. The next, last. We have a huge stack and we plow through them as fast as we can. But there isn't really any more organization than, print off huge stack of orders and start processing them from the top to the bottom.

However, in Sharoth's case, we do our best to ship his orders last.

-Lisa

~indignant look~ WHAT!?! Lisa, how could you! ~runs off to cry~

~GRINS~


I added the Pathfinder Tales novel to my order a while back. I wonder if that is causing my shipment to be delayed?

Scarab Sages

Sinvel Menter wrote:
I added the Pathfinder Tales novel to my order a while back. I wonder if that is causing my shipment to be delayed?

I have Pathfinder Tales on this order (edit: and already have my APG PDF), so maybe not?

Liberty's Edge

I am in the same boat, waiting...


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Sharoth wrote:
Lisa Stevens wrote:

The order that you get shipped is almost entirely random. Some sub shipments, you could end up first. The next, last. We have a huge stack and we plow through them as fast as we can. But there isn't really any more organization than, print off huge stack of orders and start processing them from the top to the bottom.

However, in Sharoth's case, we do our best to ship his orders last.

-Lisa

~indignant look~ WHAT!?! Lisa, how could you! ~runs off to cry~

~GRINS~

Damn it Sharoth stop posting by me I am sure my order is being slowed down through some association with you ;)

The Exchange

Lisa Stevens wrote:

The order that you get shipped is almost entirely random.

-Lisa

I read that in a completely different way to intended!

Mind you, it would make opening the monthly paizo parcel even more exciting - fingers crossed for the APG *rip* aww, Bella Sara stuff... I got Sebastiens order again.


grrtigger wrote:
I have Pathfinder Tales on this order (edit: and already have my APG PDF), so maybe not?

Excellent! That gives me hope that I may be able to download at least sometime today.


Justin Franklin wrote:
How many of Lilith's cookies will it take?

*swats hand with a wooden spoon* Hands off! Those are for Pathfinder Society GMs next week at GenCon!

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber
Gary Teter wrote:
As someone who has long been the victim of alphabetization, let me assure you that we don't process subscription orders in alphabetical order.

I really think that Paizo Superscribers should always be first. Those that subscribe the most should get something for their loyalty.

Just saying.


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Lilith wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
How many of Lilith's cookies will it take?
*swats hand with a wooden spoon* Hands off! Those are for Pathfinder Society GMs next week at GenCon!

Look a Monkey!!!

Takes the Brain.....

Damn it I was trying to get cookies!

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber
Shem wrote:
Gary Teter wrote:
As someone who has long been the victim of alphabetization, let me assure you that we don't process subscription orders in alphabetical order.

I really think that Paizo Superscribers should always be first. Those that subscribe the most should get something for their loyalty.

Just saying.

Well, there is a simplicity about Superscriber and multiple-subscription orders that (I think) would push them to the front of the queue. I know the months I've added things on to my subscriptions I always end up at the back of the queue but months where it's just the normal subscription products I'm usually one of the first.

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

Further, Charter subscribers should have a preference for being there from the start... HELLO is anybody listening??? I didn't think so.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Shem wrote:
Further, Charter subscribers should have a preference for being there from the start... HELLO is anybody listening??? I didn't think so.

Actually, when you post to our boards, quite a lot of people in house end up listening.

There's several reasons why we ship the way we do. One of them is that we're trying to be as efficient as possible, and the fact that the order is essentially random is a result of that efficiency, I believe (hopefully if I'm wrong, someone from shipping will correct me!). I suspect that sorting orders into some sort of subscription hierarchy would only end up making the entire process take LONGER, including for the folks who, in such a system, would be sorted to the front of the queue.

And when you include the real-world vagaries of how long stuff can take in shipping, there's basically no way to ensure that products always ship at the same rate.

I understand that folks are eager and excited to see the new products when they release, whatever and whenever, but the fact remains that not everyone will get their book at the same time. It's just not realistic.

Liberty's Edge

Not read the entire thread but I hardly ever add anything to my orders. Sometimes I get my pdf's the same time as other posters mention getting theirs, other times, it sometimes takes 4-5 business days. As for the thread title, I was able to access mine on Monday. Package wasn't outbound from the warehouse yet but that had to do with trying to have deliveries arrive around GenCon's start I believe.


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Lost Omens Subscriber

I am quite pleased with Paizo's speedy shipment of my subscription. I'm often near the end of the list, but compare that with an amazon pre-order. Paizo does more for their subscribers than any other company. People complaining because it took a few extra days really need to step back and look at the big picture.

How's your pre-order PDF of the Dark Sun Setting Book looking? When will you get your APG copy shipped from Amazon?

Thanks again Paizo for offering amazing subscription deals!


I often see people noting that they've gotten their PDFs before I get my notification (sometimes by several days) but it never bothers me all that much. Being able to get the PDFs when my books are put into the mail (or before, as with this month) is a really nice feature.

Also, the delay is more frequent since I signed up for the RPG subscription (and I have the once-a-month shipping option) but that's bound to happen so no complaints there.

I'm hoping for the day Paizo offers PDF-only subscriptions for the products where it makes sense - I want my RPG and AP books in print but I don't think I've ever purchased a printed companion/chronicles product, only PDFs. Would love to have them in print, of course, but I just don't have that much room on my bookshelf (BTW, three years of the APs takes up quite a lot of room! Just had to find them a new shelf.)
M

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

I was kidding.... I am looking forward to getting my subscriptions this month.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Lisa Stevens wrote:

The order that you get shipped is almost entirely random. Some sub shipments, you could end up first. The next, last. We have a huge stack and we plow through them as fast as we can. But there isn't really any more organization than, print off huge stack of orders and start processing them from the top to the bottom.

-Lisa

Lisa should know better than that!

We do indeed print off a huge stack of orders and process them from top to bottom, but a great deal of thought went into what order those orders are printed in—it's *far* from random. It *is*, though, sufficiently complex that it might *appear* chaotic. There are dozens of factors that go into sorting that list—chief among them are groupings that help us do our shipping faster—but it does give some priority to people with lots of subscriptions, or who just spend a lot with us (but we're generally talking about a difference of minutes or hours here, not days).

Further, the "print off a stack" side is only part of the story anyway—subscription shipments are divided into an automated queue (wherein each group of packages contains the same stuff and goes to the same destination region, via the same shipping method) and a manual queue, which contains all of the oddball orders (containing uncommon items, using unusual shipping methods, or going to uncommon places). The "stack" is the manual queue, which is smaller, but takes longer, as it's more complicated to pick and pack.


Vic, thanks for the class about how it works, it's really apreciated. We do understand that it's a really complicated process, and we salute you on your efficiency.

But I do have a question. How long till ALL subscribers get their PDFs in that specific case? I'm asking caus I believed that everyone would have it till today, and I don't think that's going to happen anymore... And other folks might like to know that also, I think.
Thanks a bunch mate.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Xum wrote:

Vic, thanks for the class about how it works, it's really apreciated. We do understand that it's a really complicated process, and we salute you on your efficiency.

But I do have a question. How long till ALL subscribers get their PDFs in that specific case? I'm asking caus I believed that everyone would have it till today, and I don't think that's going to happen anymore... And other folks might like to know that also, I think.
Thanks a bunch mate.

It's pretty hard to talk about *all* subscribers being done. We can estimate when *most* people will be done, but there are always edge cases, like people with credit card issues, or people who start their subscription on the day that we would have been finishing, or people who keep tinkering with their sidecarts, or require some form of customer service intervention.

In a normal month, we can get through most subscriber shipments in about three days, but whenever there's a hardcover book in the mix, it takes longer. Right now, the guys in the warehouse are estimating that we'll be down to just the edge cases sometime on Friday.


Vic Wertz wrote:
Xum wrote:

Vic, thanks for the class about how it works, it's really apreciated. We do understand that it's a really complicated process, and we salute you on your efficiency.

But I do have a question. How long till ALL subscribers get their PDFs in that specific case? I'm asking caus I believed that everyone would have it till today, and I don't think that's going to happen anymore... And other folks might like to know that also, I think.
Thanks a bunch mate.

It's pretty hard to talk about *all* subscribers being done. We can estimate when *most* people will be done, but there are always edge cases, like people with credit card issues, or people who start their subscription on the day that we would have been finishing, or people who keep tinkering with their sidecarts, or require some form of customer service intervention.

In a normal month, we can get through most subscriber shipments in about three days, but whenever there's a hardcover book in the mix, it takes longer. Right now, the guys in the warehouse are estimating that we'll be down to just the edge cases sometime on Friday.

Thanks matey, apreciate it.


Vic Wertz wrote:
Lisa Stevens wrote:

The order that you get shipped is almost entirely random. Some sub shipments, you could end up first. The next, last. We have a huge stack and we plow through them as fast as we can. But there isn't really any more organization than, print off huge stack of orders and start processing them from the top to the bottom.

-Lisa

Lisa should know better than that!

We do indeed print off a huge stack of orders and process them from top to bottom, but a great deal of thought went into what order those orders are printed in—it's *far* from random. It *is*, though, sufficiently complex that it might *appear* chaotic. There are dozens of factors that go into sorting that list—chief among them are groupings that help us do our shipping faster—but it does give some priority to people with lots of subscriptions, or who just spend a lot with us (but we're generally talking about a difference of minutes or hours here, not days).

Further, the "print off a stack" side is only part of the story anyway—subscription shipments are divided into an automated queue (wherein each group of packages contains the same stuff and goes to the same destination region, via the same shipping method) and a manual queue, which contains all of the oddball orders (containing uncommon items, using unusual shipping methods, or going to uncommon places). The "stack" is the manual queue, which is smaller, but takes longer, as it's more complicated to pick and pack.

Gotta say, mine always ship on Thursday. My husband's been bugging me about checking my downloads all week, and I keep telling him Paizo never ships my stuff until Thursday.

I grew up with a last name beginning with W, so I'm kind of used to being at the end of the list; but every now and then, the nice schoolteachers would start at the end of the alphabet for a change. ;)

(Of course, now that I'm married, I'm a M, so I'm stuck in the middle no matter which way you go!)


I just wanted to throw this quick quip in on the subject of Piracy. The guy that ran my local FLGS was a complete tool - and LITERALLY refused to order Pathfinder (he was pro 4E and wouldn't compromise). A buddy of mine brought me the torrent of the corebook and that is what ultimately sold me.

To date, I have actually purchased 18 APaths, 6 Flip Maps, and EVERYTHING for the actual Pathfinder Ruleset.

When my players and I switched from 3.5 I also convinced all of them to buy corebooks - because they too had not seen anything due to the FLGS guy being a nit. One of my players went on to purchase corebooks for all the players in his Greyhawk Classics game - which he subsequently converted and like me, he too has been buying every release to come out for PF.

I am NOT excusing or making excuses for piracy; however, I am pointing out that every now and then it DOES have a golden lining. Just from one boot leg intro, my group has ended up purchasing a fair amount of legitimate stuff.

We are lucky now. We ended up convincing a guy that runs a local comic shop to start carrying PF and now we have an outlet. I assume that we are not his only PF customers - he keeps ordering more than we buy.

Paizo Employee CEO

Vic Wertz wrote:
Lisa Stevens wrote:

The order that you get shipped is almost entirely random. Some sub shipments, you could end up first. The next, last. We have a huge stack and we plow through them as fast as we can. But there isn't really any more organization than, print off huge stack of orders and start processing them from the top to the bottom.

-Lisa

Lisa should know better than that!

Oh, oh!!! Now I am in trouble with the Vic-meister! You should have heard the tongue-lashing that he gave me on the way home tonight! Ouch! :)

-Lisa

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