Two words:
Gamma Golarion
Also, the three hardbacks refers to the RPG line. Setting books like Inner Sea or Tian Xia do not explicitly fall into that.
With the recent discussion about the campaign setting book's schedule, I think it's clear that they do include those in that number. It's about their resources more than anything.
Also, the three hardbacks refers to the RPG line. Setting books like Inner Sea or Tian Xia do not explicitly fall into that.With the recent discussion about the campaign setting book's schedule, I think it's clear that they do include those in that number. It's about their resources more than anything.
I'm pretty sure Lisa Stevens said the delay in the campaign setting book will not alter the hardback publications next year
And I also think that James Jacobs has indicated that the Tian book may not be a hardback
Paizo will partner with Lilith and cookies will be shipped with every subscription.
Woot! :D
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World Guide: The Great Beyond
Written by Wolf, Monte, Colin and Todd.
WANT.
Um, wow. +1
That would be a lot of fun, though it's worth pointing out that three of the folks on your list wrote Beyond Countless Doorways, which was along those lines... But which is sadly not available at the Paizo store.
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I believe that Paizo will announce more great adventures and hardcover books, maybe some more novels, and some special projects.
Also (and screw the NDA on this!) I'm going to spill the beans right here on the Big Book of Pirate Halflings. God, I can't wait.
Big halflings...
Is that like Jumbo Shrimp?
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I would note that at the Paizocon banquet Eric Mona (I think), whilst announcing Ultimate Magic, said that non casting classes (the Barbarian, Fighter, Rogue & Cavalier) should look forward to the book they'll be announcing at Gencon.
Also, the three hardbacks refers to the RPG line. Setting books like Inner Sea or Tian Xia do not explicitly fall into that.
It doesn't really matter what line the hardcover books are in. It's all the same people and the same resources that put the books together, regardless of their line.
We ARE trying to tinker with ways to get more hardcovers out in multiple lines, though. We still want to limit the rulebook line to three per year, in any event.
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World Guide: The Great Beyond
Written by Wolf, Monte, Colin and Todd.
WANT.
Well, it's not written by Wolf, Monte, and Colin, but Paizo has already published a book about the Great Beyond book that serves as a guide to the multiverse. It's called The Great Beyond - A Guide to the Multiverse, by Todd Stewart.
EDIT: The Paizo guys need to pimp this book on the boards more often. This thread is the third or fourth time I've seen someone saying Paizo should do a book covering the planes, even though that book is already available.
I suspect that Gorbacz already knows about The Great Beyond (See review 4), but wants that material expanded to 256 pages+
Also, can someone point me at where they're getting the info on the delay? I've seen it a couple of times around here.
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World Guide: The Great Beyond
Written by Wolf, Monte, Colin and Todd.
WANT.
Um, wow. +1
That would be a lot of fun, though it's worth pointing out that three of the folks on your list wrote Beyond Countless Doorways, which was along those lines... But which is sadly not available at the Paizo store.
Having Monte and Wolfgang's names on a Paizo hardback book would be REALLY cool!
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I own both Beyond Countless Doorways and The Great Beyond. What I want is for those two books to make sweet love and have a baby, a perfect planar pathfinder publication. With 300+ pages. And all those awesome Planescape guys all over the table of contents.
Of course, I also want Paizo to buy out Planescape IP from WotC so that one day I will see a chapter in a Paizo book open with a quote "Pike it, Prime berk" :)
Of course, I also want Paizo to buy out Planescape IP from WotC so that one day I will see a chapter in a Paizo book open with a quote "Pike it, Prime berk" :)
Good god, no! The stupid, condescending "cant" was the one thing that made me hate the Planescape stuff back then in the first place. Let it rest in peace, it was overrated anyway, in my eyes. We have much better now.
And I also think that James Jacobs has indicated that the Tian book may not be a hardbackWhat! I certainly hope its a hardcover.
i think he said it depends on what they put in it
I own both Beyond Countless Doorways and The Great Beyond. What I want is for those two books to make sweet love and have a baby, a perfect planar pathfinder publication. With 300+ pages. And all those awesome Planescape guys all over the table of contents.
I suspect it will be easier to get 9 64-page chronicle books on each of the planes spaced out over the next 3-4 years. That would be excellent. Although I guess the Book of the Damned line is sort of that.
This reminds me I still need to find a print copy of Beyond Countless Doorways, I have it in PDF only still.
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Actually, the whole "three hardcovers per year" was a little bit of a telephone game anyway... I believe that what we *actually* said at the start of the RPG line was that we planned to do three or four products in that line per year, encompassing probably no more than three hardcovers, one of which would likely be a bestiary.
Keeping in mind that our year begins and ends in August:
Year 1:
August: Core Rulebook
October: Bestiary
November: GM Screen
June: GameMastery Guide
Year 2:
August: Advanced Player's Guide
October: Bestiary II
(Unofficially announced: Ultimate Magic. Anything else? Wait and see!)
Now that we're planning year 3 and beyond, we're beginning to realize that we want to do a certain amount of new rules *content* per year, but how that content is actually divided into products might be more variable over time.
...and I'll leave you with that to mull over.
Actually, the whole "three hardcovers per year" was a little bit of a telephone game anyway... I believe that what we *actually* said at the start of the RPG line was that we planned to do three or four products in that line per year, encompassing probably no more than three hardcovers, one of which would likely be a bestiary.
Keeping in mind that our year begins and ends in August:
Year 1:
August: Core Rulebook
October: Bestiary
November: GM Screen
June: GameMastery GuideYear 2:
August: Advanced Player's Guide
October: Bestiary II
(Unofficially announced: Ultimate Magic. Anything else? Wait and see!)Now that we're planning year 3 and beyond, we're beginning to realize that we want to do a certain amount of new rules *content* per year, but how that content is actually divided into products might be more variable over time.
...and I'll leave you with that to mull over.
seems to me we are getting one or two rule books + a bestiary. It also appears that any hardcover campaigne setting books dont count
so 2012: my guess is Oriental Adventures, Bestiary 3 and Psionics
Just a guess though
Dragonstar Reborn. :P
Dragonstar Reborn. :P
Yeah that would kick A$$ thats was a great game, Paizo would make it unbelievable.
World Guide: The Great Beyond
Written by Wolf, Monte, Colin and Todd.
WANT.
Well, it's not written by Wolf, Monte, and Colin, but Paizo has already published a book about the Great Beyond book that serves as a guide to the multiverse. It's called The Great Beyond - A Guide to the Multiverse, by Todd Stewart.
EDIT: The Paizo guys need to pimp this book on the boards more often. This thread is the third or fourth time I've seen someone saying Paizo should do a book covering the planes, even though that book is already available.
I suspect that Gorbacz already knows about The Great Beyond (See review 4), but wants that material expanded to 256 pages+
Also, can someone point me at where they're getting the info on the delay? I've seen it a couple of times around here.
Meepo is right though. Paizo does need to pimp The Great Beyond - A Guide to the Multiverse a bit more. ;D
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Meepo is right though. Paizo does need to pimp The Great Beyond - A Guide to the Multiverse a bit more. ;DWorld Guide: The Great Beyond
Written by Wolf, Monte, Colin and Todd.
WANT.
Well, it's not written by Wolf, Monte, and Colin, but Paizo has already published a book about the Great Beyond book that serves as a guide to the multiverse. It's called The Great Beyond - A Guide to the Multiverse, by Todd Stewart.
EDIT: The Paizo guys need to pimp this book on the boards more often. This thread is the third or fourth time I've seen someone saying Paizo should do a book covering the planes, even though that book is already available.
I suspect that Gorbacz already knows about The Great Beyond (See review 4), but wants that material expanded to 256 pages+
Also, can someone point me at where they're getting the info on the delay? I've seen it a couple of times around here.
I'll echo that sentiment. One of the most useful books they have published. Easily portable to any home brew that has not explored the planes yet. Full of awesome ideas.
One of my most perused books.
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I'll echo that sentiment. One of the most useful books they have published. Easily portable to any home brew that has not explored the planes yet. Full of awesome ideas.
One of my most perused books.
Great reviews from customers on websites are an EXCELLENT way to spread the word about popular books! ;-)
World Guide: The Great Beyond
Written by Wolf, Monte, Colin and Todd.
WANT.
Be still my twisted, black beating heart. :D
a perfect planar pathfinder publication. With 300+ pages.
Oh you mean all the wordcount that I was over the limit by? ;)
And man, that would be awesome to work with any of those guys (given that their stuff pretty much got me into gaming). I have wonderfully crazy stuff that I'd love to pack into a larger, campaign style book on the planes. I'll be running an off-the-schedule planar PF game at GenCon this year to play around with some of that sort of thing as a test run for my next home campaign if anyone is interested. Probably Saturday evening.
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<Wish rant>
Kobold Quarterly and Paizo team up to produce more PF rules in magazine form.
There will be a new regular feature in the magazine called "From the Paizonians' Scrolls" with lots of official new rules stuff...
also Kobold Quarterly will get a name change to Kobold Bimonthly...
</wish rant>
That would be full of awesome...
I'm also very much in favor of regional books being made proper and full-scale. At the very least the Tian Xia book. A mere 100 pages wont do. Nor 200. I might be appeased after 300; but then only barely. :)
The Inner Sea Region will always be the core of the campaign setting. While other books detailing other continents will be produced, the majority of Paizo products will still be set in the Inner Sea Region. So perhaps I should have said cornerstone, but everything else will be building off the Inner Sea book. It has to be as good as they can make it, or people will be complaining for a long, long time. See the errata thread for the existing book.
I know this response is a little belated, but why limit themselves? I assume the Inner Sea is only a small part of the entire planet of Golarian? I understand the aspect of fleshing the Inner Sea out as much as possible, but it’s like saying (in making a Campaign setting book for Earth) “We are only going to concentrate on North American as a main setting book, the other books won’t be as detailed.” Why can’t the other books (like for Tia) be as detailed as much as the Inner Sea Campaign Setting?
Then if you eventually get multiple campaign settings for the planet Golarian (and I mean settings just as detailed as the Inner Sea), it gives DM’s more options.
I am expecting that they will announce Jade Regent and the Tian Xia book.
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The Inner Sea Region will always be the core of the campaign setting. While other books detailing other continents will be produced, the majority of Paizo products will still be set in the Inner Sea Region. So perhaps I should have said cornerstone, but everything else will be building off the Inner Sea book. It has to be as good as they can make it, or people will be complaining for a long, long time. See the errata thread for the existing book.I know this response is a little belated, but why limit themselves? I assume the Inner Sea is only a small part of the entire planet of Golarian? I understand the aspect of fleshing the Inner Sea out as much as possible, but it’s like saying (in making a Campaign setting book for Earth) “We are only going to concentrate on North American as a main setting book, the other books won’t be as detailed.” Why can’t the other books (like for Tia) be as detailed as much as the Inner Sea Campaign Setting?
Then if you eventually get multiple campaign settings for the planet Golarian (and I mean settings just as detailed as the Inner Sea), it gives DM’s more options.
We've spent YEARS developing and supporting the Inner Sea region. Pretty much every book we've produced apart from the core rulebook line is set in this region. As a result, it's become really rather popular and VERY successful. Abandoning it to start over with a new setting is not a good idea, as a result.
The Inner Sea region is a pretty small part of the world, yes, but it's the FOCUS of the world for us. We will eventually start branching out to explore other regions, like Tian Xia, and we'll be doing a pretty good bit of support for those other areas, but we aren't going to abandon the Inner Sea because it's our core. It's the foundation it's all built on.
If we see a HUGE and positive response to Tian Xia or other off-the-edge-of-the-map setting books and products, we'll react by continuing to provide more detail for those regions. But that HAS to be a reaction to customer demand, not an anticipation that forces us to shift our resources too much away from the Inner Sea.
Oh no, I never meant for you to abandon the Inner Sea by any means. Although I do understand you only have time to do so much campaign source material, and if you do other parts of Golarian, it would take away from the Inner Sea region.
I only said it because I had figured (wasn’t sure) that the Inner Sea was a very small part of Golarian and it would be interesting to see what you (Paizo) would have up your sleeves for other parts of the world. It’s good to see you may do other continents as well if Tian Xia does well.
Now do you plan to do any other worlds besides Golarian? Or maybe a better question would be maybe something similar to Spelljammer (or your own method of space travel)?
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Oh no, I never meant for you to abandon the Inner Sea by any means. Although I do understand you only have time to do so much campaign source material, and if you do other parts of Golarian, it would take away from the Inner Sea region.
I only said it because I had figured (wasn’t sure) that the Inner Sea was a very small part of Golarian and it would be interesting to see what you (Paizo) had up your sleeves for other parts of the world. It’s good to see you may do other continents as well if Tian Xia does well.
Now do you plan to do any other worlds besides Golarian? Or maybe a better question would be maybe something similar to Spelljammer (or your own method of space travel)?
Ah... gotcha.
Yeah; we'll absolutely be looking into the other continents of Golarion, and eventually we WILL do stuff with the other planets. We've already done a pretty intersting article about Golarion's solar system and the universe beyond in Pathfinder #14, after all, so the groundwork for space travel is laid.
We won't be doing something like Spelljammer, though, because in Golarion, space works like it does in the real world. To travel outer space, you need spaceships. Or magic items or lots of immunities. The material plane is, in effect, the known universe, so the implication is that somewhere on the same plane that Golarion is on also exists Earth, Mars, Oerth, Toril, Athas, Westros, my own homebrew world, Pandora from "Avatar," Vulcan, Xoth (Cthulhu's home planet according to some stories), Hoth, your homebrew world, and all the other worlds created by anyone and everyone anywhere, excluding only the ones any particular GM does NOT want to be in the same reality. What's at the edge of the universe? The Plane of Air.
Weirdly, this does kind of allow ALL the D&D settings to co-exist in the same milieu EXCEPT for Spelljammer.
Ah... gotcha.
Yeah; we'll absolutely be looking into the other continents of Golarion, and eventually we WILL do stuff with the other planets. We've already done a pretty intersting article about Golarion's solar system and the universe beyond in Pathfinder #14, after all, so the groundwork for space travel is laid.
We won't be doing something like Spelljammer, though, because in Golarion, space works like it does in the real world. To travel outer space, you need spaceships. Or magic items or lots of immunities. The material plane is, in effect, the known universe, so the implication is that somewhere on the same plane that Golarion is on also exists Earth, Mars, Oerth, Toril, Athas, Westros, my own homebrew world, Pandora from "Avatar," Vulcan, Xoth (Cthulhu's home planet according to some stories), Hoth, your homebrew world, and all the other worlds created by anyone and everyone anywhere, excluding only the ones any particular GM does NOT want to be in the same reality. What's at the edge of the universe? The Plane of Air.
Weirdly, this does kind of allow ALL the D&D settings to co-exist in the same milieu EXCEPT for Spelljammer.
Yeah, that’s why I added “or your own method of space travel”. :) I only made reference to Spelljammer because it is the only way I have seen any kind of space travel in the fantasy setting (there may be another system that has a different one, but I have mainly played AD&D/D&D).
Also, I asked because I am thinking about running a Pathfinder campaign for my friends and the main baddie would be someone coming in across the cosmos. I could have added it in myself, but would be nice (and easier) to get something ‘official’, down the line.
The Inner Sea Region will always be the core of the campaign setting. While other books detailing other continents will be produced, the majority of Paizo products will still be set in the Inner Sea Region. So perhaps I should have said cornerstone, but everything else will be building off the Inner Sea book. It has to be as good as they can make it, or people will be complaining for a long, long time. See the errata thread for the existing book.I know this response is a little belated, but why limit themselves? I assume the Inner Sea is only a small part of the entire planet of Golarian? I understand the aspect of fleshing the Inner Sea out as much as possible, but it’s like saying (in making a Campaign setting book for Earth) “We are only going to concentrate on North American as a main setting book, the other books won’t be as detailed.” Why can’t the other books (like for Tia) be as detailed as much as the Inner Sea Campaign Setting?
Then if you eventually get multiple campaign settings for the planet Golarian (and I mean settings just as detailed as the Inner Sea), it gives DM’s more options.
James already clarified, but here are my thoughts anyway. I'm sure Tian Xia's book will have as much attention to detail as the Inner Sea book. But the Inner Sea will always get more support in other books. The majority of APs, Chronicles, Companions, etc, will be in the Inner Sea region. It's a matter of focus, a product line has to know where its heart is. Exploration into other sections will be lovingly crafted, but there will never be as much material produced as there already exists for the Inner Sea region.
I myself look forward to an Aztec/Mayan/Native American themed expansion of the world. (WB 3?) I was always disappointed in Warhammer that their american analog never got much more than a few paragraphs that said: Lizards and dark elves live here.
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We've spent YEARS developing and supporting the Inner Sea region. Pretty much every book we've produced apart from the core rulebook line is set in this region. As a result, it's become really rather popular and VERY successful. Abandoning it to start over with a new setting is not a good idea, as a result.
The Inner Sea region is great, I love what Paizo has done with it, and I eagerly await the revised and expanded hardback.
But can we please just get a gazetteer or even just a crude, hand-drawn map for the rest of Garund? I don't like maps that only show part of a continent. It bothers me, and I don't think I'm the only one wondering what's to the south of Sargava. Is there a great big southern savanna or desert or what?
also Kobold Quarterly will get a name change to Kobold Bimonthly...
I was thinking Kobold Weekly
Yeah, that’s why I added “or your own method of space travel”. :) I only made reference to Spelljammer because it is the only way I have seen any kind of space travel in the fantasy setting (there may be another system that has a different one, but I have mainly played AD&D/D&D).
Easiest way to deal with space travel is just to go around it. Interplanetary teleport FTW!
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But can we please just get a gazetteer or even just a crude, hand-drawn map for the rest of Garund? I don't like maps that only show part of a continent. It bothers me, and I don't think I'm the only one wondering what's to the south of Sargava. Is there a great big southern savanna or desert or what?
The revised campaign setting will have a map that shows not only the rest of Garund, but the rest of Golarion. This map won't reveal things like terrain features, but there WILL be a section talking about central and southern Garund in the "Beyond the Inner Sea" section.
But can we please just get a gazetteer or even just a crude, hand-drawn map for the rest of Garund? I don't like maps that only show part of a continent. It bothers me, and I don't think I'm the only one wondering what's to the south of Sargava. Is there a great big southern savanna or desert or what?The revised campaign setting will have a map that shows not only the rest of Garund, but the rest of Golarion. This map won't reveal things like terrain features, but there WILL be a section talking about central and southern Garund in the "Beyond the Inner Sea" section.
Ohhh... tasty.