i feel the only video game that really any good for a RPG was "Temple of Elemental Evil". only game that used the real tatics of the game and didnt mess it up with real time strategy. if you can truely make a free-style mmo on that type of system, then you have truly will capture all the mechanics that "Gygax" wanted everyone to feel all in a 3-D game!!!
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Wow there are a few names in this thread I haven't seen post in a while... Some I am happy that haven't posted and others I wonder what happened to them?
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*tries to imagine a turn-based MMO*
Oh, wait, MxO. Nevermind. :p
Wow there are a few names in this thread I haven't seen post in a while... Some I am happy that haven't posted and others I wonder what happened to them?
Yeah! Who doesn't miss Cartigan?
Wow there are a few names in this thread I haven't seen post in a while... Some I am happy that haven't posted and others I wonder what happened to them?Yeah! Who doesn't miss Cartigan?
Naughty Slaunyeh.... ;-)
i feel the only video game that really any good for a RPG was "Temple of Elemental Evil". only game that used the real tatics of the game and didnt mess it up with real time strategy.
You mean that mess that the developer was unable to finish in time twice and that was published by Atari as is because they didn't want to sink more money into the project? The thing needed an unofficial patch done by fans to make it even playable.
You mean that mess that the developer was unable to finish in time twice and that was published by Atari as is because they didn't want to sink more money into the project? The thing needed an unofficial patch done by fans to make it even playable.
I doubt that's the game he means. I'm pretty sure he means the Temple of Elemental Evil that was entirely playable (even if the campaign was stupid) and the most faithful interpretation of the 3.5 rules in a game to date.
If only Arcanum had been that well implemented mechanically (or/or ToEE had had a story as good as Arcanum), Troika might still be around.
*sad sigh*
Wow there are a few names in this thread I haven't seen post in a while... Some I am happy that haven't posted and others I wonder what happened to them?Yeah! Who doesn't miss Cartigan?
<happily raises his hand>
You mean that mess that the developer was unable to finish in time twice and that was published by Atari as is because they didn't want to sink more money into the project? The thing needed an unofficial patch done by fans to make it even playable.I doubt that's the game he means. I'm pretty sure he means the Temple of Elemental Evil that was entirely playable (even if the campaign was stupid) and the most faithful interpretation of the 3.5 rules in a game to date.
If by "entirely playable" you mean "being able to finish the game within 5 hours because of a seriously stupid placement of critical items", then you are right.
The rest of the game had numerous bugs and barely ran on weak computers. It didn't even receive any official support.
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The original Fallout is considered one of the greatest games ever made. If you know exactly where to go, you can "win" the game in like 10 minutes.
The original Fallout is considered one of the greatest games ever made. If you know exactly where to go, you can "win" the game in like 10 minutes. ** spoiler omitted ** Doesn't mean it's a crap game.
Your example has nothing to do with TotEE. Not following the story is not the same as literally finishing the game - ending sequence and all - because the designers placed the central item as well as the things needed to destroy it in easy to reach places for a low-level party.
Also, I didn't say it was crap. It was unfinished, and almost unplayable out of the box.
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Actually I liked TOEE. Yes is was insanely buggy, and the story line was nearly non-existent, but I love the turn based combat, weird companion characters, and the game drastically improved when you got into the temple. Funny thing is there are people who still actively make mods for that game. I downloaded one last December, it was pretty good.
Anyway I would love to see an actually pathfinder rpg, not the upcoming mmorpg, that I have no interest in.
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Bioware, please!Please not! I might be the minority, but I don't consider their games to be RPGs. They're usually squad-level real-time strategy games with many RPG elements and a strong story, but the only game that really captured the RPG feeling for me was NWN - and they messed up the sequel (or let others mess it up).
Something like Deus Ex (the first one, not the sequel) or Vampire Bloodlines would be fun, too.
+1 a Pathfinder Infinity Engine game would be a dream come true.
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Honestly, to truly do justice to the PF/3.5 system, you would need something three dimensional. The best way this has been done for a tactical game is, IMNSHO, the original X-COM games.
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I feel pretty strongly that focusing on "doing justice" to the d20 system in a CRPG is both unrealistic as well as the wrong goal altogether.
Do justice to the Pathfinder setting, to the experience of a high fantasy adventure, and to the concept of growing a character. Get those right, and complaints that the rule system isn't faithful enough won't matter.
Mind you, the mechanics need to be good; the game should still be highly usable, satisfying, and challenging. But those mechanics don't need to be chained to a legacy of rules systems developed for tabletop play.
Creating a large profile computer game today is a project involving millions of dollars. A more generic encounter engine could be useful without all that. There would be no better way to test various builds, for example. However, to do that, you would need a pretty robust ruleset. That does not, of course, invalidate your objections.
No.
Did Pathfinder Online ever get finished? I haven't paid much attention because I don't play MMOs, but I don't think I've heard anything in a long time.
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Goblinworks is in the process of selling / licensing or something to an unannounced developer (I'm guessing CCP, since that's where Dancy came from), and they're hoping to keep PFO and get it up to production / mass market viability.
Link to a letter from Lisa that the KS backers got before the first of the year: Expect an update March 1st-ish
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No, Hama, YOU? You found something not to your liking? I don't believe it!
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Everyone else -- cool, I was just wondering. Since that is the one Pathfinder Computer Game (well, and the ACG for tablets) that was supposed to be, I was wondering what had happened to it. Thanks.
Actually I liked TOEE. Yes is was insanely buggy, and the story line was nearly non-existent, but I love the turn based combat, weird companion characters, and the game drastically improved when you got into the temple. Funny thing is there are people who still actively make mods for that game. I downloaded one last December, it was pretty good.
Anyway I would love to see an actually pathfinder rpg, not the upcoming mmorpg, that I have no interest in.
I liked ToEE after the Circle of 8 modded it. I'd prefer a game like that to a giant multi-player game to be honest. Bonus points for something I can play and not have to log into a @#%#$^#$ server every time I want to play would be lovely.
I backed both kickstarters, but the game released was barely playable, and the pvp focus didn't capture the feel of the cooperative tabletop game.
It needs to be scrapped and totally redesigned, but that's not going to happen.
Pretty much this.
I backed the KSs exclusively for the PDFs that came with them; after speaking with some of the people really invested in the game as well as some of the Goblinworks folks, I could tell I would have absolutely no interest in the game whatsoever.
Long story short, they wanted to build EVE Online: Fantasy edition. With all the organization/group/guild focus and high level of competitive PvP interaction that comes with it. Which might be great for EVE fans who were looking for a new thing, but is probably not the main desire of 99% of Pathfinder or Golarion fans.
Everyone else -- cool, I was just wondering. Since that is the one Pathfinder Computer Game (well, and the ACG for tablets) that was supposed to be, I was wondering what had happened to it. Thanks.
There was some mention of a CRPG more in the vein of something like Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights about the same time they announced the ACG, but I haven't heard anything at all about it since.
Everyone else -- cool, I was just wondering. Since that is the one Pathfinder Computer Game (well, and the ACG for tablets) that was supposed to be, I was wondering what had happened to it. Thanks.There was some mention of a CRPG more in the vein of something like Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights about the same time they announced the ACG, but I haven't heard anything at all about it since.
They did say it was a good ways down the road when the original announcement was made.
I'm certain there's a lot of internal interest at Paizo in seeing a CRPG in the traditional vein come out of the Pathfinder license. I think it is no coincidence that the license was negotiated as Obsidian was building out its technology for Pillars of Eternity. I think that Obsidian probably has an internal team working on pre-development of a Pathfinder CRPG, and that team is probably transitioning to something resembling development now that The White March Pt. 2 is complete and pipeline resources are freed up. I think the plan is to leverage as many assets from PoE as is feasible to allow for what I expect will be overlapping development of a Pathfinder CRPG and whatever their next PoE title is. I would be surprised if we didn't hear anything new on that front by the end of 2016.
A lot of guesses in there. It'll be fun to see if I was close, or completely off-base.
A bit off-base. Obsidian is working on a wrapping up a new game that isn't a Pillars sequel but uses the same engine. Classless, apparently, and rather focused on the 'What if Evil Won' cliche.
Goes by the name of Tyranny. So that is where the PoE team got cycled to- they're already familiar with the engine and assets.
It _could_ be interesting, but... it is on an absurdly short development cycle (supposed to come out this year), and at this point I don't expect much in the way of mechanics or writing from Obsidian.
It _could_ be interesting, but... it is on an absurdly short development cycle (supposed to come out this year), and at this point I don't expect much in the way of mechanics or writing from Obsidian.
...Why?
Most of their last few projects have been wildly successful, popular, and critically acclaimed games.
New Vegas is by far the best of the revived Fallout series, Stick of Truth I've heard was excellent, and Pillars of Eternity was chock full of great writing, and the mechanics weren't too bad either.
So that leaves what, Skyforge as the only truly disappointing venture recently?
